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trinity...
Nothing abnormal for you, but you took a non-religious reply and used it to inject your obnoxiously anti-christian bias into the thread.
Nice job of being a monitor and breaking your own rules.
mlsoft
basserdan...
LOL -- true story there.
Thanks.
mlsoft
chris...
greenbay...
redfisher...
If true, this action by the government is not only reprehensible, but an illegal infringement of the rights of Christians to exercise their religious freedom under the constitution of the United States.
redfisher...
As I have said here many times, for over 2 years now (since the near economic collapse) the market has been actively manipulated -- we no longer have free and open markets. Holding the markets up and trying to send them higher was admittedly (by Bernanke himself) the whole reason for QE2 -- it funded the massive manipulation. The market has been not only held up, but openly propelled higher by manipulation by the fed. Believe it or not, your choice, but it is true. I worked in the industry as a trader and manager for a well known national brokerage for over 15 years and know market manipulation when I see it.
They have to do this because if the market began a new and serious decline it would certainly crater the economy which is currently barely hanging by a thread. They have no choice because the past mismanagement of the economy by the Fed (first by Greenspan and now under Bernanke) coupled with enormous deficit spending has put us on a path toward total economic destruction.
The Fed is desperately trying to stave off economic collapse, and the last time they did this (after 9-11) it worked. I have my doubts it will work again given that the economic fundamentals are so much weaker this time.
But we shall see.
mlsoft
cloe...
ONEBGG...
Just more good reason to get rid of the UN and send it to Switzerland or Russia or Zaire. Just get them out of the US. Quickly.
mlsoft
ONEBGG...
We need to get out of the UN. Its beliefs and actions are antithetical to what most Americans believe and we are flushing hundreds of millions of dollars down that rathole to help them advance their anti-American agenda.
mlsoft
basserdan...
Yep, that was it. Thanks, it's a great bumper sticker.
I really like the other one also. It fits me perfectly. Thanks.
mlsoft
Agree. Why should obama be able to do that when the average citizen cannot?
mlsoft
ONEBGG...
Have you considered the possibility that the people he associated with were all folks with significant character defects -- moral and political "degenerates" who do not want any public attention drawn to themselves??
By his own admission all of his associates were communists and other far left political radicals.
mlsoft
Saw a good bumper sticker today. It showed obama standing in a white coat and wearing a stethoscope. The message was:
OBAMA CARE
Call us when you
are shovel ready!!
mlsoft
extel...
I understood what you were talking about. I was just trying to formulate my reply without bring religion (the Baptists) into it. You are correct in that while the Baptists are strongly against homosexuality and the homosexual agenda, they are also against promiscuity whether it results in a child out of wedlock or not.
Yours was an accurate answer -- pretty good for a non-Baptist <gg>. I am a Christian, not a Baptist, but I do attend a Baptist church.
mlsoft
extel.
extel...
That story is not limited to Subaru. Toyota in Lexington is exactly the same -- and just like Subaru, the unions have tried many times to organize the Toyota plant, but each time they have failed. The facilities are clean and the workers are both hard working and conscientious, taking much pride in their work. Compared to workers at GM, there is no comparison.
mlsoft
extel...
Well said.
mlsoft
Iran, Syria, and Turkey will all end up in the Russian sphere of influence.
mlsoft
trinity...
GEO...
Again, I will try to answer your comments as briefly as possible. As I noted (correctly) in my previous post, these answers will likely not satisfy you because of your preconceived notions, but I will try to keep it factual.
"my cynicism emanates from the fact that people have been forcasting the end of the world since the "beginning of the world"....
In my life, the world was supposed to end a couple of times....plus there have been numerous recognized & failed predictions...."
Yes, history is littered with the ashes of probably thousands of people who incorrectly predicted a specific time for the end of days, and many, perhaps most of them claimed to be "Christians". However the end time prophesies of Scripture have never changed one iota, and one central tenet of end times prophesy is that "no one knows" when the end will come. If such people would just read their Bible and believe what it says, fools like the recent guy who (for the second time) mistakenly predicted it to happen last month would never make such foolish mistakes.
End time prophesies do give us what are called "the signs of the times" to aid us in identifying when the end is near, but beyond that there are zero clues in Scripture as to when the onset of the end times will happen. Once the end times commence, there is a detailed timeline as to all the events to follow -- the final 1007 years of human history. Unfortunately, there will always be people who are so foolish that they try to set a date despite what they are told in Scripture.
Nostradamus was a false prophet, and his quatrains are far more indecipherable than Biblical prophesy. Prophesy is somewhat difficult, but it contains very specific details. Nostradamus and other false prophets cannot predict the future, period. The Biblical method of determining a false prophet was that if even just one of their prophesies was incorrect, he was a false prophet and was stoned to death -- Nostradamus easily flunked that test. All the true prophets gave both short term and long term prophesies so that they could demonstrate by their short term prophesies that they were true prophets of God.
Nostradamus and the Mayan prophesies are both the same. The Biblical admonition that "no one knows the day or the hour" applies to them just as much as to deluded Christians. I can absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, guarantee you that the world will not end in December 2012 or at any other predicted date. "No one knows" means exactly what it says -- there is not one person who knows or can calculate the onset of the end times. That is a guarantee with the full backing of Jesus, directly from His mouth. So rest easy come Christmas of 2012 -- the world may be in turmoil, but it will not end.
By the way, end time prophesies also tell us exactly how the world will end, and all the events leading up to it.
"and, I notice Christianity is based upon "fire and brimstone"....we're always trying to save the natives....always talking about eternal damnation...."
The Bible frequently warns us that God hates sin and cannot abide being around it in any way. It tells us that the penalty for even one sin is death so without a Savior we are all under a death sentence, and it is not only a temporal one, it includes eternal damnation. Out of His mercy toward us, God often delays the execution of that sentence in hopes that we will accept the way He gave us to have that sentence paid by someone else -- a Savior. So when a life is not ended "early", it is only because of God's temporary mercy toward us, but it is only a temporary stay of execution. The penalty will be paid.
We are told that God is patiently waiting until the last person who will become a Christian enters the fold. When that happens is when the onset of the end times occurs. Remember also that God once before wiped out the entire human race (other than Noah and his family) because of its sins -- in the Great Flood. Do not fool yourself into thinking that human history will not end -- it will. And both the earth and the entire universe will be "uncreated".
Again, this is a very brief and incomplete answer, but it is the best I can do in such a limited format. If you want a more complete answer to any specific point, please send me a PM.
mlsoft
GEO...
Obviously, I am not SOROS, but after studying the Bible for many years (including end times prophesies), I believe I can answer your question. It is not likely that my answers will be satisfactory to you, though, because you probably reject the idea of Divine Providence, supernatural intervention, and Biblical Prophesy. If I am wrong about that, I apologize. I will try to address your questions as briefly as possible.
Your first questions have to do with "who are they... very specifically?" and "how do they create global chaos and establish a one world government?"
The ruling "elites" I referred to in my post are those radical socialists within and connected to the obama administration whose apparent goal is to bring our economy and our government down. These people are not a part of end times prophesy in a direct manner -- they just are setting the stage for what is to come.
"Very specifically", the "they" of end times prophesy are the evil triumvirate of Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet, who together make up a satanical version of the Trinity -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. When the 7 year Tribulation era begins, the Antichrist, empowered by Satan, is the head of state of one of a 10 nation confederacy of nations who were associated with the old Roman Empire. Either shortly before the Tribulation begins or shortly thereafter, he will gain political control of three more of those nations, and eventually he gains control of all ten of them. I believe that the "10 nation confederacy" will be the European Union, which will continue to lose members until it is down to 10.
As to the "how do they produce chaos and bring about a one world government?", it is a little strange that you would find that idea so humorous -- it is not. Surely you are aware than many of the radicals in obama's administration want to cede our governing authority to the UN and for it to become a governing body of global scope. Longings for global governance usually comes out of war (the league of nations after WWI and the UN after WWII) and a desire for a strong leader usually comes out of chaos, economic collapse, and wide spread natural catastrophes. All of those will be the very essence of the Tribulation, especially global natural catastrophes. The era is when God's stored up wrath is unleashed upon an unbelieving and sinful earth. It has nuclear war, great famine, economic disaster, meteors hitting the earth, and in just 2 of the many of God's Judgments, half of the population of the earth (around 4 Billion people) are killed.
Does that sound like chaos and a fertile field for a strong leader who promises to fix everything??
You also find funny (ironic?) that end time prophesy does not give a detailed timetable. That is true of most prophesy -- only a few prophesies give an exact time when they will be fulfilled, Daniel 9 being a major exception. But most prophesies give us plenty of information to recognize when they are very near, and they become crystal clear when the events are in progress. To date, all of the short term prophesies and about half of the long term prophesies have been fulfilled, and all of them were fulfilled literally down to the smallest detail. End times prophesies will be fulfilled in exactly the same way -- literally and in great detail. Actually, once the Rapture and the signing of a 7 year peace pact between the Antichrist and Israel occurs, the timing of the rest of human history is given in great detail. It is only the timing of the onset of these events that are unknown.
Very, brief, but I hope it helps answer your questions.
mlsoft
ONEBGG...
Very good post, and I hope everybody here reads the attached article which explains the expected results of islam.
mlsoft
SOROS...
I believe the "end game" envisioned by the elites is for the our government and economy to collapse. They fully believe that "the people" would give them the opportunity to form a new government in the form of a utopian socialist/fascist state governed by the elite and the unions. In their minds, the unions represent all the working class and will be the "agitators/enforcers" needed to bring all this about -- much like the brown-shirts in Germany. We have already seen the beginnings of this role for the unions.
The question is whether or not they will be successful in bringing down our economy and government, then establishing a radical socialist state. I do not pretend to have the answer to that. What I do know is that our economy is in critical condition, and we seem to have lost the ability to successfully govern ourselves. If, as I expect, we enter into a new phase of even more severe recession, it is hard to imagine a more fertile field for civil chaos.
I already have very serious doubts about the ability of our economy to recover from the damage that has already been done. It may well be too late to save it, and if that is the case it is certainly possible that the radical socialists will be successful in bringing down our government and economy.
The good news, as you mentioned, is that we know who is in charge, and it is not obama. The true end game is laid out in Biblical Prophesy and all things are falling into place. There is no easily identifiable mention of America as a world power in end times prophesy, something that was unthinkable just 25 years ago. It is not unthinkable now.
mlsoft
extel...
The article in your post is by someone who truly "gets it" and understands where we are from an economic perspective. I hope everybody here reads it.
mlsoft
basserdan...
That says it well and there is a lot of truth in the cartoon. The moslim brotherhood wants to establish a caliphate with the eventual goal of placing the whole world under islam and sharia law. And he is correct, there has already been a lot of violence, bloodshed, and killing to determine who will control the middle east nations, and the killing will continue until the moslim brotherhood is in control.
They publicly vow to kill all infidels beginning with the Jews in Israel and the Christians in America, but in order to be in position to do that, they will kill many of their fellow moslim arabs.
The religion of peace -- you betcha.
mlsoft
SOROS...
SOROS...
Hatred does strange things to folks though so the thought that hatred of the Jews and Israel distorted his thinking is still a possibility, although I think that g soros is coldly analytical and not subject to that kind of miscalculation.
Once you eliminate "illogical" and "idiot", you are left to ponder his motives with the idea that they make some sort of logical sense. If not twisted by his hatreds, I have to come back to the idea that he is not concerned about the upcoming elections, something that other things he has done have caused me to consider. The answers as to why he may not be concerned are not pleasant to think about, though.
mlsoft
redfisher...
ONEBGG...
That may be the case with many folks here, but in the nation as a whole there are very few that understand it. They are miles away from making that leap away from the false basic assumption that obama is a "basically good guy". That is the whole key to understanding him.
mlsoft
SOROS...
Hey -- no problem. I never had any doubt that you are one of those who sees what obama is doing for what it is and without the blinders on.
I completely understand your anger about our president, and even when we understand where he is coming from it still surprises us at how far he will go to achieve his agenda. The good news is that we know who is really controlling everything and it is not obama, and it is not george soros. That does not lessen our anger against obama, who is the agent of our destruction, but it does comfort us about the final outcome.
What I find curious at the moment is that he would pull such a despicable stunt with Israel with only a relatively short time remaining until the elections. You would think he would put off something like that until after the elections for fear of losing the Jewish vote, which is an important part of the democratic base. It makes me wonder what obama has up his sleeve.
We shall see.
mlsoft
GEO...
chloe...
Sorry, but I do not think you understand. Your constant stream of posts berating this board and ONEBGG does not constitute "good advertising" for your board in my book. Based on what I have seen here, I am not interested in "your board".
mlsoft
chloe...
SOROS...
benz...
trinity...
The modern state of Jordan (or transjordan) was originally the palestinian homeland. The arabs own 98% of all the land in the middle east along with 100% of the oil. The palestinians are arabs, yet none of the arab states will take them in. The reason they will not take in their arab brothers who live in misery is to make certain that there will be no peace in the middle east as long as the Nation of Israel exists. The elimination of the Jews is the only goal for the palestinians and other arabs -- peace with Israel has never been and will never be an arab goal. Peace with Israel is unacceptable. The very existence of Israel is unacceptable to them.
100% of the blame for the plight the palestinian arabs is because of the unanimous refusal by the other arab states to resettle the palestinians within other arab lands. Had they done so, there would be no problem and there could be peace in the area, but that will not be the case, as noted above.
When Israel became a nation ("in one day") in 1948, all the arab states in the area told the palestinians to leave their homes in Israel while the arabs united in war against the new nation to annihilate the Jews. The arab states promised the palestinians living in Israel that once those arab states had exterminated the Jewish presence in the region, the palestinians would be able to return to not only their homes, but also that all the Jewish owned property and other assets would be distributed to them.
Foolishly, most of the palestinians listened to their fellow arabs, and the "smart" palestinians (a lot of them) even sold their lands to Israeli Jews, planning to get them back as soon as the Jews were eliminated -- and we all know how that turned out. In the providence of God, after attacking and expending the combined might of all their armies against the newborn state of Israel, the arabs lost.
So Israel survived and the initial borders of Israel were expanded when the combined might of the arab nations was twice more unleashed against Israel in unprovoked wars, attacking the small nation at its narrowest point where the entire Nation of Israel was only around 8 to 10 miles wide. Israel won both times, and they will never give back those lands that were so hard fought for after naked aggression by the arabs. They will also never cede back ownership and ultimate control of their capital city of Jerusalem. Until Israel gained control of Jerusalem from Jordan in 1967, Jews were not even allowed to visit and pray at the Wailing Wall, the only portion of their ancient Temple that is still in existence. Both of those gains will never be allowed to reverse, no matter what obama wants.
Israel is well within its rights in never returning land it gained during wars that were initiated by the arabs.
mlsoft
benz...
My heartiest congratulations go out to Benjamin Netanyahu for his response to our muslim in chief, obama. In front of the television cameras during what is usually just a meaningless photo op, Netanyahu lectured obama at great length on why his remarks were untenable for and unacceptable to the State of Israel. obama had to sit there and take it, but he looked like he was seething with hatred inside.
Netanyahu was 100% correct to do what he did, and obama remains a miserable excuse of a president of the United States.
mlsoft
trinity...
benzdealer...
RDG...
While not surprising given obama's previous actions and statements, his sitting under the despicable rev wright for so many years, and the patently anti-Jewish and anti-Israel stance of much of his cabinet and advisors, it is still unbelievable from a US policy standpoint that obama would "tear up" a long-standing guarantee to our closest ally in the middle east. He did not even have the courtesy of telling the Israeli's before dropping this bombshell the afternoon before Netanyahu arrives for talks tomorrow.
obamas actions today are reprehensible.
There is no way the Israeli's are going to cede to the palestinians all the land that Israel fought and died for after being attacked by the arabs multiple times. And that is as it should be. obama and his anti-semitic cabal of advisors absolutely know that the 1967 borders are indefensible (it would leave Israel a mere 8 miles wide), and that is what the palestinian/arabs want.
Even if the Israeli's were to agree to this abomination, and they will not, it would not come close to bringing peace in the region. The palestinians/arabs do not want peace with Israel ever and will never accept peace. The palestinians/arabs want the elimination of the state of Israel and will accept nothing less. If the Israeli's were to be so foolish as to accept obama's terms, that would only establish a new starting point for palestinian/arab attacks on Israel and make it easier for them to make those attacks.
As I have said many times here, there will be no peace in the middle east in this era. Never. Because the palestinian/arabs do not want and will never accept peace.
obama has reached a new low today, even for him. And that is saying a lot.
mlsoft