PainMed Investing

[geodan]

Its over 50dma first time since May

yea I have noticed it too. Still tiny volume, but someone is buying.

[sts66]

What's the dealio with this thing? Up for 3 straight days, 76K shares traded, and I cannot remember the last time I saw the first number in the still staggeringly low pps start with a nine......just wish there weren't those nagging leading zeros in there, LOL....checked to see what NPHC did today, they had a nice little pop too, and noticed that BigEgo is still haunting the YMB, the big dope......

[geodan]

Ah, did not know that, thanks

[woje]

An unfriendly Mod joined yesterday. Looks like this is the refugee board. LOL

[sts66]

Are you kidding me? Auto-deleting posts because they contain ticker symbols for stocks other than the one of that exact board? What if you want to compare what's happening in one stock to something similar that happened to another? That's totally valid info to share IMO.

[User-65225]

You cannot use other tickers in a post unless the company is related to that stock board... the main IHUB admins are deleting you.

some of my posts were deleted yesterday as well.

I saw that you just put the post up again, careful they might ban you from the board entirely... i would change the wording while you still have time to do so.

[geodan]

Can you look into something?

Rocket I am getting erased on BULM, just put a bunch of time into a post with SRM4 in title and its gone. Nothing the slightest bit offensive in it. One of the raiders is on as moderator that is likely th reason. I can not complain beccan not see teh post. Just added myself as moderator, but not active yet.

Any help appreciated. If nothing else copy the text from that and post here so do not have to redo it.

Thanks

[geodan]

Yes, but it looks like XCHO will win, it is blatant that CVS owes them. BTW CVS has done it to others.

[sts66]

"Win against CVS"? Are you implying that CVS (still?) owes them $1M for delivered but not paid for products to stores? WTF?!? Why is CVS trying to screw XCHO like that?

[geodan]

Got the mesg thanks

Will respond here.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=70185863

Is the only one that they have not erased. This means they are very sensitive to being exposed.

JMHO the best of all worlds is to let them post but to lead the legit posters to the why.

If the truth is exposed just once to each legit poster then just an irritaion not something that prevents buyers from buying.

So anything we can do to expose the scam, via just leading the legit posters to the evidence without telling them the obvious does the trick. You can PM newbies the truth.

Thanks for your good work.

[geodan]

See the problem has returned.

The majority of posts on one board in last two days are phony posts by people trying to punish a whistle blower.

I see that the posts were deleted and restored.

Is it worth attracting the phony posters by blowing the whistle on them elsewhere? It will push away sincerely posters if that board has over 50% phony posts as it does today?

[geodan]

thanks Rocket.

I was paid then then got ticked off best ihub policies are so easy to manip by the most dishonest posters.

[geodan]

STS,

They are selling it and are the only one selling it. But are low on cash to best I can tell. Supposedly they will win aganist CVS and that will give them close to $1 mill cash they are owed, then they will be back on their feet, but not a done deal.

The NPHC stuff in Aug of 2010 was killer. In hindsight wish had got out at .14 which could have.

[User-65225]

So tried to get that info out on BULM and it kept getting erased.

Are you erasing my posts exposing that? Am surprized they got erased. There has to be some way we can get the truth out on B--- board.

No geo, i have not deleted any. That was the main IHUB mods

If you ever feel you have been deleted for no reason by a board mod (non IHUB employee), you can challenge a deletion by going into your "settings tab" and selecting which deletion to be challenged.. You can see a list of all your deletions in there.

If it was deleted by a MAIN IHUB mod, you have to PM them to challenge it... FYI, you dont need a paid account to PM mods

Go Niners! Hopefully the offense heats up in prime time tonight.

[sts66]

Doesn't make sense that XCHO sunk to $0.006 yesterday and has been around $0.10 for so long if they're actually moving product - that kind of pps belongs to "real" do nothing penny stocks/pump'n'dumps that are purely scams. If XCHO is selling Cobroxin they're almost certainly making a profit, especially if no ad costs, right?

[geodan]

Hi STS, XCHO owns the Cobroxin UPC so its coming from them. I do not think the supply was ever cut off. Its a bad situation to say the least. They are still in biz and working on FL real estate. XCHO will not spend $s on mkting till they know they have exclusive again, but from what I know are still restocking sellers, just not advertizing.

Shame as 22 months ago everthing was looking great. if NPHC had left things alone both companies would be way ahead today. Can XCHO survive? Do not know.

Glad to hear from you.

[sts66]

Geo - long time no see - wondered where this new board came from, hadn't realized the XCHO board was replaced. Speaking NPHC backstabbing XCHO (a matter of opionion, one could argue both ways, guess we'll never know the "real" truth), I posted over on the NPHC board the other day about me grieving the loss of my beloved Cobroxin spray, the last time I tried to buy some had to go to Ebay, all of my former links were either dead or "out of stock", thought that was it (no way am I paying 2 1/2 time the price for the same frigging product strength with a different name, as in Nyloxin), when a few folks pointed out to me that Cobroxin was available everywhere - I checked, and sure enough they were right, all my old links had restocked!

I had figured that once the last batch XCHO had purchased was gone, that was it.....but it appears that somehow the retailers (online and brick'n'mortar) are indeed getting fresh supplies once again....my question is from who? XCHO lost the distribution rights, have seen no news about anyone replacing them, in fact NPHC at one time stated Cobroxin brand was gone and replaced with Nyloxin, which certainly doesn't appear to be the case! So who is this mystery middleman delivering the product to stores?

[geodan]

Hi Rocket,

Was unaware of your history, thanks.

I figured out what happened pretty fast, by seeing the newcomers were almost purely posters on one other site and you were the one exposer or probs there, and they were the promoters of it. So they were trying to get back at you, finding you liked another stock.

So tried to get that info out on BULM and it kept getting erased.

Are you erasing my posts exposing that? Am surprized they got erased. There has to be some way we can get the truth out on B--- board.

I know someone that was in spongtech. The big prob there was cooked books, that is a tough one. My worst stock in 2011 is SDTH(SDTHQ), cooked chinese books. You might want to look at it, a very real and big company but with crooked former mang, the board has fired teh crooks but question is can they really get the company aand assets back?

if so could be 10-30 bagger.

BTW even with honest books people get into teh worst stocks, because they are clueless about valueing a company, a shame. BULM is a gem.

XCHO which this board was about is sad story, started off with huge good news, then their partner NPHC stabbed them in back , violating exclusive after XCHO was successful with Cobroxin, ruining things for both companies.

Thanks for your great work at BULM and apparently other places too.

See you are Niner fan, one of my better calls was that in 1981 Walsh would make them winners, bot season tics in June of 81 and had them till 2005, saw all the glory years.

they are back, again the coach is most important man on field.

[User-65225]

Good evening geodan

These posters are just having a hard time excepting the situation they are in and are taking it out on the messenger. The stock is down over 80% since i started raising concerns.. and as time goes by the company just keeps proving many of my concerns valid

FYI, i use to be long their stock, but sold because of the actions of the management/IR/promoters/etc and felt inspired to bring some of the actions to light... They have called me a liar and have made threats, but thats fine. there are smarter investors that see my merits, even if they dont agree with everything i state

To give ya some background... This is not my first rodeo. Ive been posting on various stock sites and debating for over a decade. Ive learned through my experiences of being scammed and have in turn exposed hundreds of scams on these boards over the years...

Ive learned that the positives are ALWAYS readily available, its the negatives that should be the focal point of the astute investor... and in doing this type of research, it really hones ones skills as an investor. In regards to both making money and PROTECTING ones wealth.

I was the very first to expose Spongetech, one of the largest penny scams in years, VERY early in the pump/dump cycle.

I helped exposed the Arts brothers, whom had to leave the country and hide

I exposed Ken "the shill" Shilling (IBIZ/IBZT) and their virtual Keyboard pump and dump.

In January of this year i warned of ALTOs scammer CEO and the same type of attacks on me took place.. The stock was .035 then and its currently around .0005... Ex employees are posting on the board now exposing the inside working of the scam, trying to clear their names,etc... People that were disputing me then are giving me respect now cause i was the very first to expose the scam and did it EARLY... http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=69835203

Because of my comments, ive had posters follow me around and attack me, this is nothing new... but theres one thing that i have on my side and thats TIME... As time goes by, many of these types of people figure it out for themselves and eventually give me respect.

This is proven in the fact that i have obtained 403 member marks and am the #135 most followed member out of the thousand of people IHUB... http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/toppersonmarks.aspx

As for BULM, i dont see their comments as being a detriment...lol... There is unintended positive from their postings, they are puttin BULM in the spotlight.. Today BULM was #9 on the breakout boards.... http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/hotboardsrelative.aspx

Smart money that comes to the BULM board will easily be able to see through their silly and uncredible claims and this is what matter most... smart money can figure out the facts

Besides, whos gonna believe someone with a .03 prediction?! lol... This is lower than the PROFIT per share.

Have a good night man

[geodan]

Hi Kilr, PR out on NPHC Pain Med Grant

http://xcho-investors-and-cobroxin-users.socialgo.com/forum/topic/135/page/1#414

NPHC got a grant form US Gov on there pain med (Cobroxin) research, pretty impressive.

It will be 7-9 months for EstraPet to hit market. XCHO has good record of getting new product (totally new) into big distribution (Cobroxin). They have told me that big chains want it, when its ready.

Cheers

[KilrTomato]

Hello geodan, Yes, I did see the PR on the product for pets and hopefully, that will help diversify the product line for XCHO. Also, it is now only two days until the investor conference where XCHO will be one of the featured companies.

Any current thoughts on how this will impact the stock PPS? Those still hanging in there as investors could use a boost for sure.

[geodan]

Hi Kilr,

Have you see the PR from XCHO on ExtraPet?

Looks promising, have talked to them and they can do it without much resources as they have commision team in place.

http://xcho-investors-and-cobroxin-users.socialgo.com/forum/topic/116

[KilrTomato]

Well, the fact that reporder sales are high is a very key factor in the long term growth and potential for the Cobroxin as a product that can sustain itself and, of course, for Xena Care. Thanks for that last post, Geodan.

[geodan]

Big Reorder Sales news out on XCHO Cobroxin

182% growth Sequential

Here is the PR: http://xcho-investors-and-cobroxin-users.socialgo.com/forum/topic/90

And here is some commentary on it:

http://xcho-investors-and-cobroxin-users.socialgo.com/forum/topic/97

You have the check out the testimonial of CrookedNeck linked in that. He was on the highest strength opiates for his broken neck, then found Cobroxin a $18 product that worked better and got him off the opiates.

Cheers

[geodan]

Dr Bob Arnot will do TV show on Cobroxin,

Here is PR link http://xcho-investors-and-cobroxin-users.socialgo.com/forum/top/1

There is bio with photo in the thread. This is a big deal, we have a real celeb and a medical doc celeb at that behind Cobroxin.

Cheers

[sts66]

Did some more DD on both today, not sure about either of them right now, got lots of conflicting data. At least we had a tiny uptick on XCHO today!

P.S. got your PM, check for my response/post there.

[geodan]

Podes, it was seen on east coast but I believe it was national coverage on ad.

[geodan]

STS, Thanks for tips, I can not to them right now, but will look into them

Yes it was National ads, heard of another one seen, but not the station or time.

I do have a request into XCHO for a video clip in contect of teh ad, their ad agency said they would provide it, but it might take some time.

Cheers

[sts66]

Ah, good then...it's a nationally broadcast FOX show, not some regional show. Course that doesn't necessarily mean all of the commercials are the same in all markets.....hopefully the Cobroxin ad was national.

A little OT, but found a couple of interesting stocks over the weekend - MRX (botox rival) and MXL (smallcap semiconductor buyout play). Both are profitable with very good growth and prospects, MXL has been beaten down with the rest of the semi sector, could be an easy/quick 50% gainer, homerun if Intel buys them out.

[geodan]

Fox News Channel, the Neil Cavuto Show. Cavuto is their main financial markets anchor. His weekday show is the hour after the market close.

Cheers

[podes]

Well known channel, unknown location.

No add here, but is one of Cavuto shows.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/index.html

[sts66]

still a cryptic post by Geo, unless it's just my brain malfunctioning (50-50 chance)....let me try to parse it one more time.

Hmmm....I *think* he's saying "a friend of mine called and told me he saw a Cobroxin ad at 10:54 while watching the Neil Cavuto show on the FOX network (unknown channel or locale)".

Is that right?

[podes]

Neil Cavuto is a Fox news commentator.

[sts66]

What is "FOX Cavuto"?

At least we have our first confirmed ad siting!

[geodan]

Friend called, Fox Cavuto 10:54am EST saw Cobroxin ad

Keep an eye on Fox, you may see one too.

Cheers

[geodan]

Significant news, NPHC is saying that they will not mkt Nyloxin at retail.

They told this to an investor, see below.

Posted by: slbrown Date: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:16:09 AM
In reply to: geodan who wrote msg# 4495 Post # of 4520

I can assure you that are absolutely no plans by NPHC to market Nyloxin at retail here in the US. It was only mentioned as a most unlikely alternative if NPHC would want out of their contract with XCHO and I agree with you that this scenario would be very damaging to both parties involved.

I have requested an update from Rik in regards to this whole matter to squelch all this rumors once and for all. I will report back to the boards when and if I hear back from him. FYI - I have urged him to initiate an investor conference call to address all the current issues at hand.

Cheers!

[geodan]

Have put up a Comparison post on XCHPO board of two 10Qs between NPHC and XCHO

[KilrTomato]

Thank you for that assessment, Geodan, regarding XCHO. Very insightful and I fully agree with your thoughts on the matter.

[geodan]

Xenacare 10Q out today, link http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=44020679&symbol=NB^XCHO

This link requires that you scroll right to view the report, the header is wider than the report.


Some highlights: Sales were smaller than 1Q but of course much higher than last year.

No Dilution at all in 2Q, they borrowed some money for the big ad spends. Their lack of dilution is rather amazing. Major dilution was expected and a major concern 9 months ago.

It would seem possible for them to pull off the $7.5 million in sales in 2010 that RedChip projected.

The loss P/L wise and slight drop sequentially in rev is not what we want, but understandable. The 1Q had a lot of pipeline filling and very low ad costs as they were waiting for it to be on the shelf. 2Q had much less pipeline filling and some sell down of customer inventory. It would be nice to see the actual reorder sales figures. The increase in sales in 1Q which was way beyond expectations was pre advertising pipeline filling, plus direct on-line sales, thus low expense. We expected more in 2Q because of all that additional shelf exposure, but until we see reorder sales versus inventory sales that is hard to figure out.

So at this point we do not know how big Cobroxin will be as a product. It has started off great, very fast for a new product type on small budget. But will it be a $10, $20, $50 or even as RedChip has projected a $100 million a year product?

The next step is for the ads to prove themselves with a $2 mill Q.

The concerns that sales had virtually disappeared because of the NPHC report are now known to not be true, NPHC sales dropped so much because (to their great benefit) XCHO bot and paid for a big inventory build.

Dangers here? The obvious one all along, XCHO is a very small company, thus may have money problems, but so far they have handled them with much smaller dilution than expected.

Another danger is that 80% of there biz is from two customers. Pretty obviously that would be CVS and Walgreen's. There is an opportunity there too, which is if the add big ones like Walmart (which RedChip hinted at) it will generate very big sales at CVS and Walgreen's did.

The positives here are that XCHO has a tiny mkt cap, so even a small success makes it an excellent investment and if it does hit it big like RedChip's 5 year $100 million sales projection, then it will be spectacular investment.

Many of the initial dangers are gone, such as can they get into the big chains?, will they run out of money in 1Q?, can they get the money for major TV ads, will they dilute the stock with 100 million more shares?

So today for just twice the price it was 9 months ago with those dangers behind us, it comes down to will the ads work. If they do, it looks appealing.

[geodan]

Kilr, Agree. That PR was bush league. Nevertheless it was not good news. The XCHO PR was on the highroad, that was good to see.

XCHO has never released projections and NPHC selected XCHO, not the other way around.

And like you said its XCHO sales that count, NPHC were greatly aided in the past by XCHO building large inventories, which was a great assist to NPHC financially. NPHC got paid according to the financials.

[geodan]

Earnings would be due on Xenacare/XCHO tommorow.

I was gone for a few days, looks like XCHO had a good day on Friday.

Cheers

[KilrTomato]

Well, I think for XCHO (Xena Care), the 10-Q will answer our questions. XCHO's revenue numbers are the ones that should be used to measure Cobroxin sales, not those of NPHC (Nutra Pharma).

It seems that NPHC made overly optimistic projections and that recent PR release was a way for them to save face with their investors. It is way too early to predict XCHO's end result.

I believe XCHO is doing a good job so far based on everything I research. Everyone knew Xenacare's limited budget and should have expected a gradual increase in advertising for the first year. Everyone knew this apparently, but NPHC. We will see.

[geodan]

The mkt is crashing as thought it would, and so far pain med companies are doing much better as was the plan. Just one day so far, so will take a lot longer to see if formula will work.

I wish the mkt was not crashing because it hurts people when they are already down financially, but in investing you have pay attention to reality not your wishes.

[geodan]

XCHO jumped on about 30k of shares from .15 to .19, looks to me as if it skipped a NITE .179 ask, or maybe that was a bad quote. Sorta strange action out of nowhere, maybe MM games??

[geodan]

HRBR up about 10% today, it looks like breakout. This is stock without much rev yet, so speculative

[geodan]

HRBR selling for cash

Had a TA breakout on Friday, I had some, not a lot. They have $8 mill cash and $9 mill mkt cap, and are losing 1.5 mill a Q cash flow wise.

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/644388-bioshockers-com/75461-harbor-biosciences-ship-soon-to-leave-the-harbor

A risky one, but with big potential. They have 18 months left, aprox.

[geodan]

Sales are not based on what is paid its based on what is sold, thus u have accts receivable. XCHO built inventory of about $2,000,000 more than their 1Q sales at their sales price in the 1st Q alone, which means they could have sold $2 mill of product in 2Q without reordering in 2Q at all.

They would not do that as it would get inventory too low. But the math is to multiply NPHC sales by about 3.3 to get XCHO's sales. Thus NPHC's 4Q and 1Q sales were way way higher than on bottles sold basis than XCHO's, like in the neigborhood of 4x more bottles were sold by NPHC to XCHO than XCHO sold. Way back in 2009 I pointed out that XCHO sales $s would be much higher than NPHC's sales dollars and some sincere folks thought it was untrue and that NPHC's sales dollars would be the same or even higher than XCHO, which is impossible. Just as impossible as XCHO's sales to Walgreens being as high as Walgreens sales to retail customers. XCHO's $900K to chains equals about $1.65 mill when those chains sell it and it equals about $275K of sales for NPHC based on the bottles sold by XCHO. Thus due to the very large inventory build by XCHO for someone not familiar with distribution they did not pick up that NPHC sales were way higher in 1Q and 4Q than would have happened without that inventory build. Again NPHC's sales would have been about $275k in 1Q if XCHO used just in time inventory model.

I have been of both sides of distribution in businesses, as manufacter and as wholesale and retail distributor so it was easy for me to see this.



This was a post elsewhere in response to a question.

[geodan]

STS, yes. BTW he can not yank the dist rights, its a contract for 5 years and XCHO has to buy $500k every 2 Qs, its way over that, more than a mill.

[sts66]

Oh....my.....god.....I have been busy all afternoon working on fixing a driver problem causing my PC to crash (BSOD), just finally checked my IRA account at 8:00 pm (had notice a huge price increase in XCHO earlier today, didn't think I had to worry....)

Then I see the disaster....over 223k shares dumped in one block at 11 cents! Holy....nevermind. So NPHC had crappy Cobroxin sales because XCHO had purchased plenty in advance to fill out the distribution chain....but to crush us without our own numbers coming out?!? Didn't like the tone of voice Rik used in the quotes in the PR either...like he didn't know EXACTLY what was going on at XCHO?

And now he's threatening to yank the distribution rights from us?!? CHILL OUT DUDE! Rome wasn't built in a day, ya know....

[geodan]

NPHC put out numbers, missed it till just now.

The NPHC #s were very low for 2Q. It has to be recognized that NPHC gets about $3 and XCHO gets about $10 per bottle and XCHO built up a lot of inventory.

In other words NPHC's 1Q #s were greatly aided by XCHO building up inventory, and their 2Q #s hurt because XCHO built large inventories in 1Q.

In XCHO case is different, it is actual sales, although a big chain like CVS would build up some inventory.

So XCHO 2Q #s will be much better than NPHC's both because they get 3.3 times more per bottle and the inventory build factor is tiny in comparison.

What they will be it hard to say, but much better than NPHC's. XCHO had enough inventory to sell $3 mill worth, but I would guess its more like $1 mill or they would have ordered more.

There was some frictioni the PR, bad to see that. We want them to get along. The contract is tight, as long as XCHO meets teh mins which is no problem, they have exclusive.