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Those were good times.
In October 2011 I posted a message on the Moller Blog as Jah Mackey, the wonderful PR guy. You could post a message using any name you wanted, totally uncontrolled! I made an announcement that Moller had reached a production deal with North Korea to build the Skycar! Hilarity ensued! Fanboy JEFF said there would be a lawsuit! This was the same time as the infamous public flight which was to be held on October 11, 2011, but was canceled as they wouldn't be able to handle the flood of attendees. Using my company (Very Big Aviation company) email address, I as even able to offer a sponsorship and obtain an invitation. Amazing times! I copied the entire blog, from Sept 3, 2010 to October 6, 2011, after which the blog was removed.
Go back in time until before trading was suspended, sell them.
Alternatively...
Go back in time, slap the younger you silly for ever thinking that buying this stock was a good idea.
I offloaded my stock years ago. 2012, I think. I used the little spike in the price after the $480 mil "China deal" was announced to sell off all my shares. I managed to break even.
Anybody remember that deal? You know, the one that included not one, but two 5 star hotels...the one where all the fanboys again said "But this time is different!".
Why don't the Facebook page posters refer to themselves as the "Moller millionaires" anymore?
Shaken Not Stirred, you cannot;
It is over. MLER will never trade again.
Good luck
My comments on the newsletter:
- "we prototyped a 54cc compound engine that is projected to produce 10
hp on methanol and is the size of a grapefruit." - The key word in this
sentence is "projected", again with the projections, never with results
of testing.
- "The reason for this prototype is to cater the overwhelming demand for small engines of this class in the Asia Pacific markets (APAC). Our partners who represent us in APAC has indicated through their market research that the demand for this class of engine is over 50 million engines per year." - Can we see the so-called market research? What methodology was used? Did it involve the sucking of a thumb? I think we can all agree that any 'market research' coming from the Moller camp in the past involved the sucking of a thumb.
- "More in the technology front, our 150cc engine demonstration model with hydrogen as primary fuel is coming along well." - Ever notice in the last 50 years how they have never said XXX 'is done'? Always busy. Always coming along. Nothing ever gets finished. Ever.
- "We estimate that we have accomplished over 90% of this model and wish to complete the remaining 10% within the next 8 weeks." - Anybody willing to bet that 20 weeks from now it still will not be done?
- "We continue to assist our demonstration partner out of Canada who is in the final preparations for using our 530cc engine with biogas fuel. We hope to put this into operation within the next few weeks." - Again, willing to bet by year end they will say the same.
- "Nevertheless, we will continue to move forward with our prototypes and models planned this year and are determined to mass produce by the end of this year." - Hahahahah! Always good to end a newsletter with humor.
Mr Smith highlighted all the other stuff.
Fanboys are delighted I assume.
Whatever happened to the global currency revaluation loonies? Why don't they mention them anymore?
And all these nameless companies...oh, wait, non-disclosure agreements. On the other hand, they are hocking engines, little grapefruit sized ones, not state secrets.
Who knows? It's certainly interesting that it wasn't considered noteworthy enough to mention in the newsletter.
It's also interesting that the newsletter doesn't say anything about David Sastry (who admitted that he is "not as engaged" with Freedom Motors as previously - make of that what you will), or anything about Naveen Madishetty (announced as the Freedom Motors Chief Advisor for Sustainability in India back in July, and then never referred to again), or the Memorandums of Understanding with Alturair and Stratus Environmental (announced December 2018 and then never referred to again). It's almost like they're making bogus announcements to fake credibility or something, although we know they would never, *ever* do that.
In fact, the only mention that anything related to Moller International has gotten on the blog in almost two years was the delisting of the stock, and the fire at Paul Moller's ranch. You kind of get the impression that Moller is an embarrassment that they wish they could make disappear, as it drags down any remaining credibility that Freedom Motors has left. The continuing expression of interest in Moller International in the comments on the blog, despite the lack of mention of it in recent times, may be an element in why the commenting on the blog was disabled.
Some of the fanboys on the Facebook page seem to have read the newsletter a little differently, stating that as a result of reading it, "they can see the light at the end of the tunnel". Too bad it's actually an oncoming train.
And what happened to the Mler to FM exchange of shares options
How do you propose I sell this turd of a stock I’m tied into? You wanna by my shares!?
Alert the media. After two and a half months, Freedom Motors issues another newletter. Summary:
-"Before we ushered into 2020, we prototyped a 54cc compound engine that is projected to produce 10 hp on methanol and is the size of a grapefruit." What happened to the "ready for volume production" 530 cc engine? Why are they messing around with this and not trying to sell the engine that they (supposedly) are already equipped to mass produce?
-"our 150cc engine demonstration model with hydrogen as primary fuel is coming along well. We continue to engage our US based customer to complete this prototype. We estimate that we have accomplished over 90% of this model and wish to complete the remaining 10% within the next 8 weeks." I'm sure that the completion here "within weeks" is as likely as the Chinese joint venture or the Reg A stock offering, both of which were supposed to be happening "within weeks" and both of which vanished into oblivion years ago.
- "Singapore based customer [Alife - ha ha] wishes to visit us here in California and and establish a plan for their engine manufacturing. The executives of our Singapore customers are carefully planning their trip due to the coronavirus scare around the world." A well structured announcement in classic Moller style, promising nothing and leaving a perfect excuse for later when nothing actually happens.
- "We continue to assist our demonstration partner out of Canada who is in the final preparations for using our 530cc engine with biogas fuel. We hope to put this into operation within the next few weeks." Are they finally returning your phone calls? They started assembling their genset 18 months ago and they still aren't finished. Must be all that socialized medicine. I figure that this is as likely to be finished "within a few weeks" as the item above.
Plus four more paragraphs of stuff so non-specific that it's not even worth commenting on. I suspect that the only reason that they released an update was so that the blog didn't go three whole months without an update.
Shaken Not Stirred, MLER stock was revoked;
On the rare chance that Moller International decides to become publicly traded again, it would be by new issued stock that would not include previous shareholders that had their stock revoked. There are those that will hold out hope for weeks/ months/ years for no reason;
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Good luck
so Far so good. It appears Mler has gone silent. They are dreaming up their next BS news letter. Paul should do the shareholders a favor and sell this shell to someone who can do something with this dlisted stock
Don't go jinxing it...
But I think all but the most hardcore fanboys have given up.
I saw on the fanboy facebook page that some fanboy asked for a newsletter. Don't know what 'news' he is looking for and someone asked about the FM blog.
Both Moller International and Freedom Motors have gone dark.
In the past old Jeffy would say they are quiet because there is 'big news pending'...Even the fanboys have now realized that there is never 'big news pending'.
...And for those that (as always) will reply about the list of stuff that Freedom Motors has developed but not applied for patents on:
Presumably, the prospective investors that have looked at Moller International/Freedom Motors over the past few years have been able to see this. The fact that no one has put any money into the venture (see Dean's previous comments about how Paul seems to think that "joint ventures" work) suggests that the investors don't think that anything brilliant is in the vault.
My post of January 6th shows a list of stuff supposedly in the vault at Freedom Motors, according to the Freedom Motors website. All of the supposedly patentable ideas are improvements to rotary engines. Since no one seems to be particularly interested in Freedom's rotary engines, it's not too much of a stretch to presume that no one is interested in the improved versions either.
Think of the number of times over the past fifteen years or so that Freedom/Moller has claimed that some marvelous new thing is about to happen. Now, think about how many times that marvelous thing actually came to pass. Zero, right? (I don't consider the move from Davis to Dixon to be a marvelous thing). These guys lie the way that other people breathe. Nothing that they say is in any way credible.
Think about it.
"Will someone take over?"
What is there to take over?
I'm talking Moller International now, not Freedom Motors, but I will get to that.
Contrary to the beliefs the fanboys hold, you have to ask yourself, what does Moller International have that someone would want to take over and continue?
Here is what is needed to make his flying car a reality:
An Air frame. Again, contrary to popular belief, much of what we can see on photos and what was available to see at shareholder meetings at Moller's old facility wasn't air frames meant to fly. They are fiberglass mock-ups of Moller's vision. They are pretty and they were created to leave potential investors in awe so that they are easily departed from their money. Just go to any aviation expo. All manufacturers do that. Any flyable air frame Moller may have is likely to be decades old. Getting it actually airworthy may cost more than just building a new one. Besides, the technology may also be old and newer, safer, lighter, stronger and cheaper materials are out there.
Engines. Ahhh. The engines. In Paul Moller's own words, the engine, and in particular HIS Wankel rotary engine holds the key to his Skycar. Unfortunately Moller has, through all these years, never been able to demonstrate his engines to back up all his claims about it. The last time the Skycar hovered on a teather, unmanned, it was stripped down to the bare minimum so that the engines could lift the air frame. Those engines would never have allowed the Skycar to fly with one, let alone multiple passengers. Moller makes a lot of claims about his engines and all the applications it can be used for, but don't you think he would have sold some by now if it worked? He can't even build, produce and sell a lawnmower engine, let alone one that can power a VTOL aircraft.
A Flight Control System. The flight control system needed to operate a VTOL aircraft is available off the shelf these days. Besides, from previous blog posts and newsletter surrounding Moller International's computer systems it is evident that these things weren't Moller's strong suite.
So, my point is Moller has nothing that can be 'taken over' once he passes. Everything they have doesn't work and is very old. It is like buying a company that's still trying to make beepers in the world of smartphones.
As for Freedom Motors, doesn't anybody see the way they are going about their business is exactly the same as Moller's been doing for all these decades? "We have had a string of successful meetings in India, I 90 days we should..." and the...nothing. All talk and no action.
How fanboys can still believe that "Paul Moller won't let us down" when this is ALL he's been doing for half a century is let his shareholders down is beyond me. How fanboys can say every time "but this time is different" every time when the last time they said it, it turned out not to be different at all also goes beyond me.
I ask again, when he passes, what exactly is there to take over?
Do you think if he passes someone will take over. I have asked this question before management and have received no answer. I’m assuming there is no plan. The company would just go away
When is the next newsletter due? Why would you want that? All it will vaguely say about FM is that 'we are making progress' without any hard evidence that they are...
The only reason I check on this page and on the FB fanboy page every two weeks is to see if Paul Moller is still alive.
TRUSTUNITS1000000, MLER stock is gone forever. No news coming. EOM
I was also wondering when the next news letter will come out, tsla never made money and stock went from 20 to 300
When’s the next newsletter due?
Freedom motors worth 46 million dollars
Here is my take:
* Nothing about the biogas program at Cape Breton University in Canada that was the subject of so much of their publicity in 2018. - It was probably in the 'lets discuss it' phase when Moller ran with the story already and it never moved past the 'lets discuss' it phase.
* Not a word about the revoking of Moller International's shares. - Denial much?
* Nothing about the strategic partnerships with Stratus Environmental and Alturair (announced December 8, 2018, and then never referred to again). - What I have learned from my years of following Moller's companies is that the term 'strategic partnership' does not mean the same to everyone. In the real term it means a partnership that will benefit both parties. Moller has nothing that can benefit anyone. All he wants is someone to give him money with no guarantee of getting any of it back. He wants grants. Handouts. Every single one of his investors throughout the decades can attest to that...
* No further reference to the "software problem" that eliminated all comments on the blog. - No 'software problem'. Only tried to silence their critics.
* No indication of what benefit (if any, apart from the ability to stay in business) resulted from the $107,000 harvested from the StartEngine crowdfinding in late 2018. - CEO's of non-revenue producing companies also wants to eat...
* No further information about their (revived) partnership with Alife Air Automobiles of Singapore, and no verifiable proof that Alife still even exists. - Lets face it, the average IQ of a Moller fan is low enough to believe this excrement.
Okay, what do they say that they did?
"We have accomplished a lot this year and we will continue to do so next year. We truly believe year 2020 will be the year of continued success and many accomplishments. A summary of accomplishments in 2019 follows…" - They copy and paste this line year after year after year, they just change the date.
Signed MOU’s with many partners and formed incredible partnerships
* No specifics of what was signed with which partners, and MOUs aren't binding in any case. - Another BS line that comes up year after year after year and these never come to anything. Like you said, MOU's, LOI's and IOU's are not contracts. They know it, but the fans probably does not.
Received firm orders for 3.4 million engines
* Is this in addition to the 3.3 million fantasy orders that have been floating around for the last decade, or have they just added 100,000 extra fantasy orders to the pile? - Like you said, fantasy pile. Think they added another 100k for the 'wow' factor. Or they wanted to compensate for years of inflation. It's been 3.3 million engines for well over a decade now...
Received support from many investors and continue to do so - Yeah, support.They do have support, but no 'financial' support, only 'emotional' support. Go to the FB page, many "Go Moller's" going around.
* I'm sure that there are shareholders left "holding the bag" when Moller International evaporated that would dispute this.
Building a prototype of our 150cc engine to run on Hydrogen fuel
* Oh dear. Changing directions again. What happened to saving the world through biogas? - Moller 101. Change direction often. This way you always seem busy, but always have an excuse why nothing ever gets DONE. Nothing is ever finished. Always tinkering, never selling for well over 50 years now...
How do you know new patents to file
From https://freedom-motors.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/MI-FM-Moller-Granted-US-Patents-v2.pdf -- some information on items that Freedom Motors plans to file patents on:
Patent to be Filed
“A specific combination of engine displacement, engine RPM and brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) that allows the Rotapower engine to operate on the Otto cycle while using diesel fuel”
Patent to be Filed
“A much improved fuel/air charge pathway through the rotor developed to improve cooling of the rotor and vaporization of the charge”
Patent to be Filed
“A compound version of the rotary engine where two rotors are able to function in series rather than parallel”
Patent to be Filed
“Unique one-way valve to allow the charge to flow in one direction while not allowing it to flow in the reverse direction”
Patent to be Filed
“A rotor cooling arrangement employing a phase change of a liquid that allows almost unlimited cooling of the rotor”
Patent to be Filed
“Developed a seal and rotor housing coating material combination that along with a proprietary rotor housing wear surface finish, allowed the wear surface and seal life to exceed a documented 20,000 hours”
All stuff to do with improvements to the rotary engine.
Tesla never made money and went from 20 to 300
Yes you are correct, that is their website
A sale is when the cheque is cashed
Moller.com freedom motors confirmed engine orders
They have engine orders and then they have to still test the engines jmo weird, I say
What a joke their update was. I for one am upset about the D listing. Shows no consideration for share holders. They probably want to give Mler share holders the opportunity to trade to FM because they are gonna file chapter 11 and that would decrease their liability.
In reading the latest Freedom Motors blog entry (a 2019 year-end wrap up), I can't help but take note of the things that it *doesn't* say.
* Nothing about the biogas program at Cape Breton University in Canada that was the subject of so much of their publicity in 2018.
* Not a word about the revoking of Moller International's shares.
* Nothing about the strategic partnerships with Stratus Environmental and Alturair (announced December 8, 2018, and then never referred to again).
* No further reference to the "software problem" that eliminated all comments on the blog.
* No indication of what benefit (if any, apart from the ability to stay in business) resulted from the $107,000 harvested from the StartEngine crowdfinding in late 2018.
* No further information about their (revived) partnership with Alife Air Automobiles of Singapore, and no verifiable proof that Alife still even exists.
Okay, what do they say that they did?
"We have accomplished a lot this year and we will continue to do so next year. We truly believe year 2020 will be the year of continued success and many accomplishments. A summary of accomplishments in 2019 follows…"
Signed MOU’s with many partners and formed incredible partnerships
* No specifics of what was signed with which partners, and MOUs aren't binding in any case.
Received firm orders for 3.4 million engines
* Is this in addition to the 3.3 million fantasy orders that have been floating around for the last decade, or have they just added 100,000 extra fantasy orders to the pile?
Received support from many investors and continue to do so
* I'm sure that there are shareholders left "holding the bag" when Moller International evaporated that would dispute this.
Building a prototype of our 150cc engine to run on Hydrogen fuel
* Oh dear. Changing directions again. What happened to saving the world through biogas?
It sounds to me like 2019 was a lot like like 2018 and 2017 for Freedom Motors (2019 was *certainly* a different kind of year for Moller International!), and I figure on more of the same for 2020.
How much does moller make off the engine, seems different, does it apply to us
3.4 million engine firm orders. Look at freedom motors news
The FORCE is strong with this one......
I am sure freedom goes public and we make$$$$$ with moller shares converted into freedom
Maybe we get a big contract government
I’m assuming the absence of your response from the 2nd part of my question means there is not a plan for the continuation of Mler in the event of Dr. Moller’s passing
Freedom motors could go to the moon
They could do a r m and freedom motors things could happen
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The Rotapower® Engine
Moller International (MLER) has developed a lightweight cutting edge rotary engine technology, called Rotapower®. It is vibration free with twice the power and one third the weight and size of the engine it is replacing designed AND the company has developed for the first and only feasible, personally affordable, personal vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) vehicle the world has ever seen. (Flying cars called volanters the future is here!) It produces 3 Hp per each 1lbs
Moller International (MLER) has exclusively licensed its Rotapower® rotary engine production and distribution to Freedom Motors except for aircraft and ducted fans. Everytime Freedom Motors sells an engine Moller International (MLER) gets a cut!!
Freedom Motors agreement with Moller International (MLER) provides for a 5% royalty on engine sales and 30% of any revenue Freedom Motors receives from sub-license agreements it makes.
Freedom Motors has contracted with Moller International (MLER) to provide all engine development and now owes Moller International (MLER) approximately $4 million for these services
BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER:
Moller International (MLER) focusing on it's sky car production has already received orders with deposits for its Skycar 200 and Firefly volantors. The Skycar is capable of vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) similar to a helicopter and flies from point of departure to destination much like an airplane. However, the Skycar has been designed to also travel at low speed for short distances on the ground like an automobile. It has fold-up wings which make it narrow enough to be usable on roadways. All this and, incredibly, it's easy to fly!
Neuera/Firefly volantors
There is an exception in the FAA rules for airplanes that weigh less than about 1400lbs. They are called Light Sport Aircraft (LSA). Moller International (MLER) plan to work with the FAA to create a category for powered lift aircraft which has the advantages of the LSA category. The Neuera/Firefly is a is particularly suitable for: Border Patrol, Search and Rescue and Utility Use or ATV replacement. Getting the Neuera/Firefly is now the priority, since it will talk the least amout of FAA Regs to jump over to get it certified.
Awesome share structure, as of February 19, 2015 there were 150M A/S and 69,379,796 shares of common stock outstanding meaning that when the share price rises it can rise quickly with the limited number of shares available!
Moller International (MLER) will eventually be uplisted to a senior exchange if it is not purchased by a bigger company which is highly likely! Currently MLER shares are trading around a penny, with it's new revenues and continued growth look for MLER to be trading in the multi dollar range within 12 months.
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