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Mods here gone for 7 years
No longer active. They banned me for tellin the TRUTH.
Now let's see who thinks my info needs ta be removed.
Mel Robinson, Jim Bolt? I call em "The Arkansas Boys".
You'll soon find out about my Murrah Building posts. No, I wasn't shttin ya folks.
Funny thing loanguy
Sparks went MIA when the HLNT court docs identified posters. So did you.
Sparks, that was great info you put out the other day. It will be interesting to see if these fuels ever get used.
Senator, with gas prices going up out of sight, this is the year we will hear plenty about new Companies getting into the green energy business.
This is a year where we see more and more public awareness of Hydrogen Gas fuels. One Company that appears to be making progress is GL Power Tech.
With fuel prices on the rise, this will be an interesting year for Hydrogen Gas and Hybrid Fuels.
Sounds good to me! lets dig!
Hey Joey Rink.
I'm lookin at starin a new board. Gonna talk hho as well as dig deep inta companies, hedge funds, the folks that run em. I'm gettin a little tired a the blockin of the view below the surface. I'm thinkin we should be lookin deep inta hho technology as well as a load a other subjects and targets I have in mind. Watch for it ta come soon.
I know the difference. Not all R&D is advertised on the television making your DD easy, but if you go the automotive trade shows, or supporting industry trade shows that automotive manufacturers attend you get to see some very cool projects these companies are working on.
You've again made some very broad assumptions. If you argue a post, please do your DD to get your facts in line first. Start getting some trade journals for the automotive industry. There are dozens and most are free.
Dude ya might wanna look up the difference between hydrogen gas hho and liquid hydrogen.
Bosch, VAG, BMW, and Exxon are actively pursuing this technology and HLNT has a working unit.
Cause it's not what they want.
They'll string out the liquid hydrogen thing for another 10 years. Call BP and ask em. Tell em ya have a great idea.
What are the chances of waking up one morning to a PR, or seeing a comercial on TV one night about one of the big automakers introducing a supplemental hydrogen injection system? Is there some technical reason why we haven't seen this so far?
he cant call them imo
Isn't this off topic? As well pd, make some calls to HLNT yourself. You seem bound and determined to get solid DD on HLNT but you refuse to speak to them directly. Its baffling.
It was in the shareholder letter. It was posted on the board. I believe only the diesel model has the hho generator. That was in a pr.
I am saying you should make a unit, take it to e--- and give a presentation. Obviously you do not like HLNT but if you take them your idea and they liked your presentation you could be in the money. If I dont like something I ususally do something about it or ignore it and move on. I don't talk about it to people who could care less everyday. Most people who trade HLNT everyday dont know squat about the technology. They are there to make money. As long as the product does what they say it does the traders could care less. I am sure you already figured that out.
I am sincerely interested in seeing a production unit from a real company, not someone on ebay using cardboard and tupperware, that separates the hydrogen and oxygen in a way to only deliver hydrogen to the cylinder.
I know backyard engineers have been doing that for some time, as have I, although I saw better results in fuel economy savings by keeping the oxygen. So I don't think its necessary on low volume electrolysis units.
You know enough. You say building a Hydrogen generator is easy enough. You could go to em-- and give a presentation since they already have the ability to lean it down it could be a homerun.
Since we have been going back and forth I know you have a lot of knowledge about the tech. No doubt in my mind. I am not sure why you are trying to take HLNT down. You know I trust the guys down there and my trust will not wayward. I think they are satisfied with the results they get and are targeting the largest audiences they can with their product. No harm.
We have debated that it is overpriced however people are willing to pay for it. If they were not buying it then I would think it was overpriced. If it pays for itself in a few months to a year it is a good investment in my mind.
many in this case means dozens.
I gave you a Google search phrase that would pull them up. If ya don't want ta take the time to do that search than don't.
You can purchase a low producin hho unit on ebay for less than $100.00. If you think you can build a public company around bad science and an overpriced, inaccurately hyped product you're wrong. If you like to try I welcome you to the game. Just don't expect different results than those who tried ta push the same flawed model and associated nonsense pump.
I am the initial producer of real science on this HHO Board. Go back and read. I also had many posts regardin corruption that are no longer available ta read. Again I warn ya, do ya really wanna go there? I'm actually thinkin of startin another board on various scams and the players involved. I'll also be profilin the honest ones and would expect readers to visit the boards of those profiled either with positive or negative posts. Just a larger scale of the info xrayview is postin now on the HLNT board.
Circle talk brother. Get back on point and answer the questions presented to you.
You're still missing the point captain. (I can use dumbed down words too pal and buddy.) The H produced by the wildcat system is specifically designed to produce an amount to improve fuel efficiency without engine degradation, OR engine strain from the electrolysis. You're missing the point that the HLNT wildcat system is designed to consistently save >/=10% on fuel costs due to improving combustion. The $1800 is well justified to the RV, OTR, and AG industries based on ROI from fuel savings.
Why produce more than is necessary?
My points on the oxygen came from your assesment on 'many other systems' that separate the hydrogen and oxygen and only deliver hydrogen and the fact that atmosphere with, even a little, more content of O is beneficial. You still have to explain these oxygen/hydrogen electrolysis and element separation systems and define who/what is 'many'. Go back through the thread chain and get back on point with the questions.
You're still doing the circle talk and redirection instead of answering ALL of the questions presented to you.
AND you still have YET to visit HLNT and test the unit yourself!
Reply from Charlton Coats to pdgood's post:
Mike, I would suggest that the poster research hydrogen further,
First off Hydrogen is not a catalyst, oxygen is the catalyst, Hydrogen is the combustible element in browns gas. Like all fuels it will not burn absent the presents of oxygen.
Secondly, flashbacks can only occur when there is an ignition source, the ignition source for our system is either the spark plug or engine compression. thus we don't experience flashback.
Thirdly,ending computers have a tolerance or margin of operation that allows for increased oxygen at various times due to air density. In most vehicles this variance is as much as 22-25 %. As long as the extra oxygen is not in excess of these parameters the computer does not respond to a precieved lean burn and increase injector time to overcome the preception of a lean fuel mixture.
This post is a weak attempt by someone to explain something that he has no factual basis in. It is a mixture of fact and his perception of a known chemical reaction that has been tried and proved over and over. Just an attempt to explain in a negative sense something he opposes yet does not understand.
You have permission to use the contents of this email to refute the posters claim.
Charlton Coats
CEO
Highline Technical Innovations, Inc
479-267-6000
My honest hho company quest.
The failed hho scams are many. The only really active public company now pushin the hho technology is HLNT. You'll find some interestin threads on their Ihub board. None more interestin than the present one started by a poster named xrayview. I've also posted many links to HLNY directors as well as their various sub companies and their ownership, status as a company and their knowledge of the hho technology they claim to be selling.
Those interested should read the latest posts and responses to xrayview. As I said, I've also posted on the subject but those posts are no longer available to read.
I answered my own question?
are ya kiddin me dude. I don't have any questions. This whole thread links back to bad science and false claims by those tryin ta profilr the HLNT hho unit.
The HLNT unit is a low hydrogen producing product that is over priced at $1800.00. The regulation of the hydrogen per RPM's is simply wasting BTU's (power & fuel source). Someone claimed in a post that the oxygen produced in the electrolysis process had some combustion enhancement value. That's nonsense when you're talkin about less than .25/ liter per minute. It means or adds nothing.
The total nonsense banter back and forth by posters here and on the HLNT rag is interestin at least. The attempt to justify an over priced hho unit that produces less fuel (hydrogen gas) is the real point. Anyone can read all day on hydrogen and auto makers interest. The norm is a discussion on liquid hydrogen that would entail huge infrastructure changes, investment and control. Not at all interestin to those who know the effect and production of hho. I'm involved in this science and have been for a long time, to a greater extent than all of ya know.
My initial posts here and on the HLNT board were all related to my search for a public company that was involved in hho, was honest and understood what was needed to set them apart from the scams that have been layed down and have failed. I can assure you that no company I've looked into to date is even close to maximizing the technologies potential. Even a bigger concern to me is the management mentality that this technology attracts. It attracts those game players who love buzz words like hydrogen to build a house of cards around.
I've only identified one company so far that has the technological knowledge and integrity to do this right. The company is ECMH and to my knowledge they are not in the hho game yet. I was alerted to their interest by listening to a interview their CEO did on hho/hydrogen fuels. I'll p[ost a link to that interview on this board in another post.
...but its role as a catalyst in the combustion of the existing hydrocarbons.
Hmm, I was under the impression that the utility of hydrogen in the ICE had nothing to do with its own combustion with oxygen (which would seem to violate the laws of thermodynamics, as the energy for combustion ultimately is derived from the alternator, and hence the engine) but its role as a catalyst in the combustion of the existing hydrocarbons.
You answered your own question at the start of this sentence on why the HLNT unit has no O2 sensor problems.
The HLNT unit injectes a very small amount of hydrogen and also the oxygen that poses the O2 sensor problem.
Bosch, VAG, BMW, and Exxon are actively pursuing this technology.
Do you have any information indicating that they are working on this? I am just trying to learn here.
Could some basic information like this be posted in the intro or a sticky?
Thanks!
Cburg, How do you know they are not? Why would they want to make that public?
I gave ya the reason.
Read it bro.
This might unbaffle ya
If ya don't inject oxygen the O2 sensor doesn't detect more oxygen and richen the air/fuel ratio which ya want ta do the opposite. The HLNT unit injectes a very small amount of hydrogen and also the oxygen that poses the O2 sensor problem. A garage type hho builder mistake.
Are ya sure ya want to continue down this path and destroy the nonsense which you are tryin ta sell? I warned ya about goin down this road. You're not comin up aces here dude.
Does anyone have an explaination of why the major automakers are not persueing this technology?
Please re-read through the conversation and answer the questions presented to you.
Regarding this reply from you is baffling.
Read this again:
pdgood
...the don't have o2 sensor problems ta deal with.
Sounds like those other 'many systems' have problems. Stick with HLNT's sytems imo...
Try ta comprehend this lyme.
A Hydrogen Flame is invisible. This is a concern because if there is an ignition from the engine intake it would not be noticed until something else burns. Hydrogen Gas is really an energy carrier (or Catalyst) that feeds the source and is not a consumable fuel in and of itself. Hydrogen gas enhances the burn efficiency of whatever it comes in contact with. Unlike other gases which really burn and are consumed during the process Hydrogen coverts back to water where it came from to be re-used again. If it mixes with too much oxygen it will spend its stored energy very quickly in the form of a flash back. Pure Hydrogen will not Flash Back in an ordinary atmosphere environment
Injecting HHO gas into the vehicle's intake tells the O2 sensor that too much oxygen is going into the vehicle's combustion chambers so the computer makes the gas mixture richer. This can actually decrease fuel mileage on HHO gas injected cars until the sensor is told to lean the mixture of gas to air, which is where drastic fuel mileage savings can be achieved along with emissions reduction. When running pure hydrogen the onboard oxygen sensor is not told to make the gas mixture richer so this is one less component to worry about when installing a hydrogen fuel injection unit.
This may or may not make hh v hho easier for ya ta understand. It’s not a huge issue as I stated in an earlier post but these are the scientific facts. You can accept them or not.
You haven't explained anything and your science doesn't make sense.
...the don't have o2 sensor problems ta deal with.
Are ya gettin what ya want yet, lyme?
Lyme boy quote post 1
“Explain this with links to back what you say”
Lyme boy quote post 2
“Explain that. Don't toss me into a bunch of links with HHO systems. Explain your statement -->”
By that I mean this.
Many systems vent off the oxygen and use pure hydrogen gas so the don't have o2 sensor problems ta deal with. You may be mistakin knowledge for con man tactics. I'm use to it. I've tried to make it simple so it doesn't all fly over your head. Seems I've failed.
Again, with the con man tactics. Answer questions directly, with sources to back your claims. Refrain from answering questions with questions.
You said, and I quote,
Many systems eliminate the oxygen in order ta have pure hydrogen gas.
Many systems eliminate the oxygen in order ta have pure hydrogen gas.
Not a necessary step but the complete burn is all about hydrogen.
Really? I'm not understandin what?
Please enlighten me. I'm all ears if ya really want ta go there.
Google "hho oxygen seperation".
Read and listen until you're tired of it all.
You aren't truly understanding what the HLNT HHO unit does to improve combustion in the internal combustion engine then -
Not a necessary step but the complete burn is all about hydrogen
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Hydrogen Gas (HHO) , Alternative and Hybrid Fuels
This forum has been established to discuss the future of hydrogen gas as a stand alone fuel and as an addition to existing fuels to form a “Hybrid Fuel”, defined as a combination of two or more fuel sources to make a superior fuel that burns cleaner (less emissions) and/or reduces fuel cost.
There’s a lot of misinformation about the effect HHO has when injected into combustion engines as an additive to the existing fuel. The internet is full of claims, both positive and negative concerning the effect of HHO injection. We believe that additional steps need to be taken in order to maximize and legitimize the use of HHO as a fuel source.
Our focus has been on the production of HHO through electrolysis. We have looked at several public companies (investment opportunities) promoting this technology. We have looked at engines that are best suited to utilize HHO as a fuel source. Piston engines, Rotary engines and others such as Turbines.
This board is open to all discussion on the topic including other alternative fuels such as methane, natural gas, propane etc. Please keep the posts accurate and backed by sound logic and science. We do understand that there is a large gap between believers and nonbelievers. It’s safe to say that many believe we need to explore all cleaner energy (lower emissions) possibilities that are economically feasible. We also understand that most readers and posters on Investors Hub are looking for investment opportunities. We hope to keep the discussion on public companies and possibly private companies which may intend to enter Joint Venture Agreements with a Public Company in order to develop these fuels.
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