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Explain this with links to back what you say.
Many systems eliminate the oxygen in order ta have pure hydrogen gas.
lyme boy.
It's the hydrogen bro. Many systems eliminate the oxygen in order ta have pure hydrogen gas. Not a necessary step but the complete burn is all about hydrogen. Probably nothin ta argue about but it is the h you're after in the hho apps.
complete combustion
look it up
I did get a laugh about the pure oxygen input
Hydrogen . . . hmmmmmm. Now there's a good topic.
Sure:
mikedmonds@verizon.net
Thanks!
Mike
Cburg.
You're askin for info on hho and hho companies that many don't want you to have. I have plenty of info if you're interested. Need you email so it gets to ya.
That's a roger to do it right Cburg.
If ya understand the science and read my post you'll have the general idea of how it needs ta be done. No one but ECMH or another engine/ECU related piston engine company could do it. The method HLNT is usin is a joke.
So, do you feel that to do it right someone would need to have the control programmed into the ECU?
My last stand?
Really? Wanna explain that dude? Probably not. Ya don't like what I post? All facts pal. Do ta wanna dispute any of it or are those facts better left along while you make nonsense claims?
Hi Board, Is there a post describing the main players in this "industry"?
Thanks!
Mike
Sounds like,
You have been listening to too much KFI 640 am with all the remote viewing in your profile, LOL.
I was talking to loan, just wanted you to see it. Did you pick loan as the mod? Thanks for doing that. He has extensive knowledge of HHO / fuels , you have to admit that!
PD, your last stand is almost here sir. Good luck to you.
SJM.
Who ya talkin to?
Loanguy hasn't got a clue about the technology. Must be talkin ta me.
Loan guy
I couldnt think of a better moderator for this board. Your knowledge on HHO is amazing. Well done.
Its great that you can correct and bring truth to some of the false information that is being posted.
Thanks again loan, for going above and beyond. Another mark for you sir! LOL
SJM.
Hi Lyme; Is there a post about the R&D that you are referring to? I would like to know what is coming up!
I've said this from day one.
You need to read air fuel ration. Map the ECU at variours RPM's to read the amount of hho being produced and control fuel per the mapping and R&D reasults.
This may make it more simple to understand. A typical air/fuel ratio is 14.7/1. The higher the RPM's the more fuel needed. Your MAP or MAF sensor reads the air and controls the fuel injectors to keep the ratio at 14.7/1. More air taken in, more fuel needed to keep the ratio constant.
Now suppose you have an hho unit that produces 2 liters of hho per minute. That hho is injected to the air intake. The MAP reads it as air. As you increase the air reading you also increase the fuel the ECU injects. Therein lies your problem. All you are doing is burning ther fuel more complete because of the hho present. Your system reads RPM's and increases or decreases the hho per the RPM readin. The theory is that at the lower RPM's you need less hho to help the engine burn the fuel more complete. What you are not doing is controllin the air/ fuel ratio. I hope this is sinking in.
In order to use hho to maximum potential you need to set air/hho ratios and fuel (gasoline) needed to run efficiently. At the 2 liter / min hho production I mentioned your hho/air ratio is different dependin on the air the engine is taking in. You want all of the hho you can produce and never need to regulate hho going into the engine. Instaed you set ECU fuel intake at various RPM's. You will never run at the standard 14.7/1 ration. ay idle you may be at 30/1 because of the low air intake and high hho percetage in that air. At 3500 RPM's you may be at a ratio of 20/1 because more air is being taken in and the air/hho ratio cahanges to a higher air percentage. These are my calculated numbers and need to be tested and set after proper testin.
At the end of the day your engine only knows that it is getting the needed btu's to run at optimum. A 30/1 ratio is very lean. Much less gasoline needed and the engine runs great and cool. At 20/1 in higher RPM ranges you are still using a lot less gasoline.
With this type of ECU control of air/hho/gasoline you are at the most efficient level possible. You inject less gasoline, burn it more completeand produce almost no emissions.
It has to be tuned per application. Are you saying we I should produce the same amount on my Honda insight as I do on my suburban. It would not have the outcome I am looking for. Remember this is aftermarket app suitable for any combustion engine. Not 1 application for 1 engine.
That's the opposite of what should happen.
You should be monitorin the air/fuel ratio and adjustin that per the amount of hydrogen you're producin. Why would you limit or regulate down the free hydrogen fuel sourse. Makes absolutely no sense at all. You're banterin back and forth with another HLNT investor tryin to justify bad science.
This is my 5th one. I have had it on this one for 3 months. I sold the others with the cars they were on. I like to get the newest tech as it comes out.
DS how long have you had the unit on your vehicle?
I have a new Wildcat Hydrogen Fuel cell on my 2004 Suburban. Before I was getting 14.4 and with the cell it bumped up to 19.1 mpg. This is mostly interstate driving. This unit senses the vacuum pressure of the engine and adjusts the level of Hydrogen per RPMs. Great product!
Folks, Remember IHUB rules apply to this board. Hydrogen Gas (HHO) and Hybrid Fuels are the Only valid topic of dialog on this board.
Read the IHUB rules. You can contact IHUB for a review.
The IHUB rules apply to this board.
I have talked to IHUB about this board. IHUB rules apply here. Read the rules. If you need clarification, contact IHUB.
The idea of presenting facts and an example.
An example of facts presented here:
Q. Hows the weather?
A. The sky is blue today
Description: Yes, the sky is blue, however, we have no idea if its warm, cold, windy, cloudy, if rain is approaching, or etc. BUT, THE SKY IS BLUE.
When presenting facts ALL sides need to be presented to come some sort of educated conclusion. That is simply not happening here. Instead its hours of debates and proof about how the sky is indeed blue. While the color is nice, above the clouds and the weather most days the sky is blue. Fundamentally it doesn't relate to what the weather produces. In other words, what you are arguing , IN MOST CASES, isn't directly related to HLNT's bottom line.
I DO NOT want to debate here, and again, am done debating. I'm taking this board off my favorites since it really is rendered useless.
98% of the comments here about HLNT are not about HHO. This board, as it reads is about HHO and the tech that companies are using and selling. there is almost content here about the tech and you guys have done nothing to discuss the possibilities of the products some big board companies are building in R&D right now.
You guys are all off topic, including myself, and this board should be wiped.
I never said I haven't called him. I am saying that any person seeking true DD will call the person involved and speak with them face to face rather than taking the approach you are here. It says a lot about your character.
I don't know what you mean by
He we go with the slander angle.
Posters, IHUB rules apply here. I suggest you read the rules and if your post do not comply with the rules, those post will be deleted. Stay on the Subject.
Should I talk to Mel Robinson?
You're the one that needs clarification I already know what's going on with HLNT.
Call the company yourself.
OK, how about nonsense deals?
These companies don't have a million dollars worth of HLNT produced inventory. They drop ship outta HLNT. In other words if a customer wants a unit HLNT would ship it and the customer would pay the RV company retail and the RV company would pay HLNT dealer cost. There will be no 1 million in sales a qtr nor has there ever been. Ck it out. Call the company yourself. Get the unit cost to the RV customers. If it's 500 bucks they'd have sold 2000 units last qtr. Since the PR on the association didn't come out durin the period reported it's pretty hard to have made those sales. An LOI means nothing but intent. Financials ans sales are real numbers. Look again at the reported financials and you'll see that the million in sales is a sale of equity. Now why don't yuou go to work and report back on the equity your directors are selling. That needs to get done because they don't file 8k information statements that would be required to be complete and accurate concerning a material event.
Highline Technical Innovations. Inc. Reports Sales Results for the Third Quarter of 2010
10/26/2010
Highline Technical Innovations. Inc. reported sales results for the third quarter of 2010. For the period, the company's revenues were approximately $1,000,000 compared to second quarter revenues of $274,524 and $33,178 from the first quarter. The enormous gains from first to third quarter were the result of an aggressive marketing campaign and rapid expansion of its dealer network.
PD and Xray- put this in your pipe and smoke it:Dong Feng-phony company?
Highline Technical Innovations, Inc. Announces Joint Venture with Dong Feng Motors
09/22/2010
Highline Technical Innovations. Inc. announced a completed joint venture with Dongfeng Motor Corp. to manufacture and sell the HOSS line of UTVs. HTI is scheduled to receive the first shipment of UTVs from Dong Feng Motors in the first quarter of 2011. Per the terms of this joint venture, Dong Feng Motors has also acquired the license and rights to manufacture and sell the HOSS UTV within its own distribution channels, and provide royalties for each unit sold to HTI. This UTV (Utility Terrain Vehicle) is designed specifically for the sport utility, forestry, and construction industries. In addition to the Hoss 500, the companies plan to introduce a three cylinder diesel powered UTV. This will be the only diesel UTV manufactured with a supplemental hydrogen fuel system on board. The Diesel model will enter the market priced approximately $3,000.00 less than the closest competitor.
Dong Feng, AnythingRV, and Anything Trucker are not nonsense companies. Where do you get off talking like this?
re: By the way how did you get grandfathered in here
In 2001 when I joined it was free. I didn't post here but it was convenient to register.
Look I'll clear up a mystery for you. I came here from RB when the GECC board was shut down. My first posts here on IMKI were made because Jim Bolt and his attorney side kick started working for IMKI. Most of my posts are about Bolt. Mel worked with him on GECC. Every once in a while, sometimes years, I check to see what Bolt is up to (he recently awarded himself a Phd), as I did recently, and for some reason I looked into what Mel was up to. That is what lead me to this board or rather the HLNT board.
Just different styles X.
Mel played right along. SAme team, same game, same scam. Just different styles. It's all about the roles.
pd
Believe me Mel is Mother Teresa compared to his El Reno buddy Jim Bolt.
Get with it josey.
The bk fraud will come up soon. The lawsuit namin the debt is brand new buddy. Some real deep thought went inta that claim.
There ya go X.
These HLNT dudes are bookin 2 LOI's from nonsense companies as ! million in revenue for the last qtr? Better yet there are tryin ta pss it off in a slight of hand way to cover the sale of equity which is the real million on the books. They received no money, just sold equity out from under ehareholders and covered it with this LOI junk. You still call Mel low key? That's blatant.
I am not sure they are owned by one entity. I can't tell. It was surprising to find they were related, but it is certainly no big deal.
More to the point; do you think it is remotely possible that Anything* and SFC will purchase 1 million dollars of product? Seems like kinda of a stretch from a company website that has no shoppers* (Anything*) and a brand new Corporation (SFC). The plausibility of the LOI's and HNLT's PR's concerning them is a much bigger deal.
As you've followed pennies you know how rarely LOI's become reality. You know they are often written in collusion with penny stock companies just to stimulate the pps. Thus, they are something to scrutinize.
* check the web guest counter when you visit
why should they,, They dont own either one of them,, So if a deal comes with ford they have to dislose mercury as well or Chevrolet and the rest of GM Or how about pepsico should they have to list all the companies that corporation owns as well,, They are 2 SEPERATE COMPANIES owned by one entity,, I have no problems with it Its SFCs money not mine I have owned more than one company in my life all seperate and distinct,, When you are buying pepsi products you are paying for fritos and cheetos and mountain dew Does that bother you,, Im sure when they buy products they buy distinctly for the seperate entities,, Tax laws and all that stuff comes into play,, ITS BUSINESS Im sure it bothers no one that pepsico owns quaker oats
SFC does not look like a subsidiary of ABOL. My point joseywalestx if these companies have the same controlling ownership, or in some way are connected, then that is a material event (considering the $ involved), that should have beeen disclosed in HLNT's PR's announcing the LOI's. As it stands it looked like two entirely separate companies signed LOI's..
there are tons of companies out there that are subsidies that are owed by one man or one entity,, Whats your point Seperate companies owned by one hmmm you are really really reaching on that one And yes they would be two seperate contracts
The parent and the subsidiary do not necessarily have to operate in the same locations, or operate the same businesses, but it is also possible that they could conceivably be competitors in the marketplace.
marg just to finish up..........
You questioned my tying SFC and Anything* together. I think I showed you the address correlation.
There's more:
SFC Buy Direct corp registration: http://bit.ly/eOTDrE
The Registered Agent: TIMOTHY CHARLES NORTON
Nevada Secretary of State ABOL*, INCORPORATED registration: http://bit.ly/eOTDrE
Treasurer - TIMOTHY C NORTON
In other words, the announcement of two separate LOI's may both with the same controlling entity.
* Anything Brands On Line
I stand corrected - it didn't happen and
sfc signed a LOI for 600K (not 400k which i had stated)
Anything* signed a let of intent for 400K - they should remove the visitor counter on their website as it makes this LOI look awfully implausible
BTW the current owners of Anything* have an interesting penny stock history: EXMT,EXMD,MEDT,CMGR, EMJI, etc. Not many happy shareholders.
What 1 million purchase?
Didn't happen.
and marcq
The ~1 million purchase may be from one source, not two.
And do you really think a brand new business like sfc writes 400k purchase orders?
marcq
What i said in my original post is this:
Anything* and sfcbuydirect share the same address:
500 3rd st ste 509 wausau wi
I was bringing attention to the fact that these seemingly different distributors are connected. Maybe sfc is an affiliate of Anyting.
that is a call center not the corporate headquarters.
You are correct
Distribution & Retail Call Center for Anything Brands Online which is the parent Corp for AnythingRv and AnythingTrucker, and numerous others, is 500 3rd Street Suite 509 Wausau, WI 54403
This is the same address as sfc buy direct. It looks like they are connected and not entirely seperate distributors.
Distribution & Retail Call Center
500 3rd Street
Suite 509
Wausau, WI 54403
Phone: 866-599-1327
Fax: 866-930-4425
Corporate Headquarters
7171 West 95th Street
Overland Park, KS 66212
Phone: 877-549-9438
Fax: 913-906-0952
Email: info@myfreightworld.com
Distribution & Retail Call Center
500 3rd Street
Suite 509
Wausau, WI 54403
Phone: 866-599-1327
Fax: 866-930-4425
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Hydrogen Gas (HHO) , Alternative and Hybrid Fuels
This forum has been established to discuss the future of hydrogen gas as a stand alone fuel and as an addition to existing fuels to form a “Hybrid Fuel”, defined as a combination of two or more fuel sources to make a superior fuel that burns cleaner (less emissions) and/or reduces fuel cost.
There’s a lot of misinformation about the effect HHO has when injected into combustion engines as an additive to the existing fuel. The internet is full of claims, both positive and negative concerning the effect of HHO injection. We believe that additional steps need to be taken in order to maximize and legitimize the use of HHO as a fuel source.
Our focus has been on the production of HHO through electrolysis. We have looked at several public companies (investment opportunities) promoting this technology. We have looked at engines that are best suited to utilize HHO as a fuel source. Piston engines, Rotary engines and others such as Turbines.
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