Civil Discourse

[12yearplan]

Wonder if more time is spent in these power imbalance cases

Burying information than compiling it for trial

What's going on with Epstein's network? - wanted to hear some familiar names there..


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56110052

[12yearplan]

Cheers B4!.

[B402]

Maybe its time for a joint or two lol....Peace to you my friend

[12yearplan]

I'll have to get back to you on that one
I miss a lotta pop culture references
To movies I don't watch ;).

[12yearplan]

I think we are on the same page except
Musk smokes too much pot.

[B402]

Fight club is the mentality people need to worry about,,not the proud boys, they are just the easy target like Robin Hood is in the current stock scandle....

[B402]

And since we are on the same page...

As we make education a priority,,We double or triple the number of people in congress and add term limits

Then we breakup the multinationals as was done in the Carnegie/Rockefeller days...turning them into a hundred companies..

The finance world should have nothing that is too big to fail...

And if we want a dictator for a while let it be Musk who will push us forward....Something we quit doing as neolibrelism and Friedman took hold..

[12yearplan]

The underground and over resistance is weak

Look at the pathetic display by proud boyz and their like

Maybe, you picked a bad day to convince me so close to Valentines ;)

Glass half full kinda thing, lol:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=161833014

Try me tomorrow ;).

edit

STOP WATCHIN DAT SHITSHOW!

.. did wonders for me, lol..

[B402]

The author who wants monarchy is not so far off,,,,Most likely the next step is toward autocracy,,, the one we thought we just avoided..

Unless lightening strikes the wrong tinder before..

Once the people are further crushed by the authoritarians and realize their mistake,,,Then comes the whirlwind of fire..

As eloquent as the recent house speakers were, In all we botched a second chance to stear the ship away from the iceberg...

SS Titanic sails headlong for destruction on a beautiful star filled night...

[12yearplan]

Again, with the bigger picture in mind re "handouts"
Like more resources to schools, teachers or any other
Social Institutions - a better balance in distribution.
As you know people will knee-jerk say that's communism
But holy-fuck Batman - just basic logic tells one
It's not political. Just a fact on the ground.
Too much wealth gained from the commons -
Not someone's ingenuity necessarily and statistics tell us
Mostly inherited.
I know B4, you've already converted ;).

[B402]

I must add this as I see it on TV...

The schools need more resources to open the topic

No, those resources should be to give the teachers a big fat bonus for working 7 days a week this whole last year

Then as in WV vaccinate the teachers now...

Then they get a big raise, we double the number of teachers we have and we put education as one of our very highest priorities...

Fat chance

[12yearplan]

These are very long cycles and
No guarantee they need be repeated

"..hand outs" is a bit cynical for example
Not sure if a thinking person would be simply
Satisfied "with a job". Especially, in the age of
Mechanization and robots.

I don't think the gentleman advocating Monarchy
Gave enough thought to the clock running (outt)
On the commons/environs (despite his claim to
Super Intelligence ;).

Although to be fair to his thought experiment
History would be on the side of widespread suppression.

[B402]

though each generation is dumber than the last.

Without knowing it our friend nailed it...

They aren't just dumber, the worst part is they, the elite, Lose their hunger...they quit pushing forward because, well, why should they..

Along with that is a loss of empathy and sense of realism....So anything outside of their bubble stagnates and decays for the elite become lazy and continually find their newest and easiest source of revenue to be from the commons....

Any outrage is quickly pushed aside with any number of rationalisations and justifications....

Enter handouts to quell the masses but they infuriate the senses of the common man, and of course handouts can't last for ever,,Then What? By then its too late and lighting will strike somewhere and the fire will rage destroying the forest...Now is a good time not to play with matches...

Then comes rebirth and the Forrest finds equilibrium again...

[12yearplan]

Found a good thread in which your comment about dictators and understanding of elitism ties together well I think.

This is the very end of the thread
Quite lengthy but worth the read and civil

If you want to save the time and rely on ur
Buddy Twelve Year summary opinion

I think civil unrest is not best remedied by further

Elitist Monopolies of Wealth, Power and destruction of the commons
In what ever form,
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=161725946

[12yearplan]

Took care of the blasphemy at 4:50, thanks!

[B402]

Enjoy!

[12yearplan]

I know. It's weird how curse words are invoked.
Like the French who use the sacred for their profanity.
Calice for Chalice, Ostie for host, etc,..
Something held in such high esteem or simply held lovingly
Is used to represent the reprehensible or alike..

Ill let you chew that one over...

Lol, I still don't know who the specific target of the ref
Was but that's ok. It's V Day today and choose to reserve my
Thoughts or as you intimate - to savor literally and figuratively
That we agree to 'hold' in high esteem.
;).

[B402]

Nope, Dems forgot the history of John Dean and what was the beginning of a profile in courage by Jamie Raskin is now cut short and we will continue down the path of demise...

[B402]

Ill let you chew that one over.....The world, especially the USA, should be strongly behind the Russian people...Instead, Crickets

https://thoughtcatalog.com/january-nelson/2018/05/slang-for-vagina/

[B402]

I wish that were true my friend...This is is something that needs to be done right and the right outcome must be obtained or else.....

Unfortunately the dems tried to hurry 2 impeachments.........

[12yearplan]

That result or verdict may not be so important

As to showcase the defense of the indefensible.


out
thx
c u
;)
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[12yearplan]

I never heard the term used in the context
You are relating - which I also don't understand
Who these 'champions' are?..

.Now we depend on Pussy? I like pussy, I just shouldn't have to depend on it to be the champion of right and wrong....

That used to be the USA....

[B402]

Witnesses! The dems may do an impeachment right yet...

In the end that is doubtful...

[B402]

I agree,,,but the true champions remain silent...Now we depend on Pussy? I like pussy, I just shouldn't have to depend on it to be the champion of right and wrong....

That used to be the USA....

[12yearplan]

Pussy?. Pussy Riot puts a fine point on these matters of the heart
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-55948940

[B402]

When Pussy is our champion we have completed the 180 degree turn about that says the elite that should champion right are too comfortable to be bothered.

[12yearplan]

Yeah, posers. When logic wears too heavy a burden bring out the muscle;
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-56045170

[B402]

Hoarding the wealth of the commons can't end well.

It won't..... In the past there were champions of right... Now there are only champions of the status quo...

[12yearplan]

Man's dominion over nature like the exploitation of native land.
Life in ecological balance leaving no footprints.
Hoarding the wealth of the commons can't end well.

[B402]

At this rate, the 1% will own more than the entire middle class.

Doesn't that speak for itself,,,unfortunately it would be lost on most not the few......The hoarding of wealth.......Not since Rockefeller, Carnegie and Morgan....

The US Congress however will not come to the rescue this time.

Sorry it took so long to reply

Oh, the US just bungled a second impeachment

[12yearplan]

Perhaps, this board needs some young people B4.
Slogans, like "drop acid not bombs" are outta date.
Brief history with music (for the youngins ;)

[12yearplan]

I love how it's framed - just pick up ur socks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_houses_in_the_United_States
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=putin%27s+mansion

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/feb/04/modern-nomads-nomadland-van-life-us-public-lands?utm_source=pocket-newtab
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/01/disneyland-california-employees-poverty-homelessness-study
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/15/extreme-poverty-america-un-special-monitor-report

[12yearplan]

The (hopefully) end of an era of lying.

A faction going for it trying to hold on to power.

Their fears are justified, it will be very hard to go back to
The phony jingoism to "rally the troops" too small in number
And getting smaller with the demographic changes and re-jigging of
The gerrymandering that made Trumpery possible.

Interesting your Bananalogy. True at the other end of the spectrum:


Can't locate a copy of the quote but one telling one that stuck from
"Capital - in the 21st Century"
Was how 90% of capital accumulation (wealth of the commons) is "locked away in luxury investment"
ie no trickle down to society at large.

 Most people think of the 1% relative to the demographic’s yearly earnings. The Fed focuses on the net worth of people—how much they own in stocks, bonds, cash, businesses and other investments minus liabilities. The wealth of the richest Americans is about $35 trillion, as of the second quarter of 2019. The middle class—representing the 50th to 90th percentiles—holds roughly $36.9 trillion. At this rate, the 1% will own more than the entire middle class.
 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/11/12/the-1-owns-almost-as-much-wealth-as-the-middle-class-will-the-rich-keep-getting-richer/?sh=7d99d7954323

[B402]

We are growing Bananas in America

We had 4 yrs of Banana Republic Trump ending in Banana Day

Then we impeached Trump by vote only,,,It was not lost on the rest of the world...

Now common people pooled together behind some very savvy trades and its treated as insurrection...

America isn't what it was, while stupid chit goes on here, look at places like Rwanda and Myanmar all the while we had to lie to take out a dictator we propped up in Saddam Hussain...

[12yearplan]

Boom!, B4 - well said and see ur frustration and why energy need not be wasted/take passing lane to more productive locales.

On this sunny Saturday mornin' for this student it entails:



c u later ;)

[B402]

The elite bubble got penetrated....

For 5 decades the Liberals and the conservatives transferred the wealth of the middle class to the top percentage of the population and to any country that 1.00 an hr labor could be had...

They weren't bashful about it either, even arrogant in their tone and derogatory in word...

The rant could go on but why bother, most of us lived it in real time.....Our country decayed in every measurable category except the wealth of the upper classes.......

The elite go about there life unabated, they can do no wrong, can't fathom that they can even be wrong about anything and for all their education can now even dismiss common sense as if it were an annoying fly...

Enter the new era, one of false prophets, one of intelligence searching for that something new...One of common sense that sees feels and lives inequity...

And like I said after Jan 6, the elite will do everything wrong...In true fashion they have and they are....

I can't believe how utterly stupid they can be and unlike them, I hate to call anyone names..

[B402]

Nice

[B402]

Yeah Robin hood will end up more like the hub...I was being Idealistic...

"The People" rarely understand their true power in the world and when they do wield it all to often their leadership is not what they think it is..

The fight within the repub party is a classic example,,the wrong group/side just may win out

[12yearplan]

Money Go Round (Parts 1 & 2)
The Style Council
It's no good praying to the powers that be
'Cause they won't shake the roots of the money tree
No good praying to the pristine alters
Waiting for the blessing with Holy water
They like the same old wealth in the same old hands
Means the same old people stay old people stay in command
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
They got it wrapped up tight, they got it safe and sound
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
As you fall from grace and hit the ground
Too much money in too few places
Only puts a smile on particular faces
Said too much power in not enough hands
Makes me think "get rich quick; take all I can"
They're too busy spending on the means of destruction
To ever spend a penny on some real construction
Watch the money-go-round; watch the money-go-round
They amuse themselves as they fool around
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
Do like they say, make them vulnerable
No good looking to the Empire corners,
"Civilization" built on slaughter
Carrying hopes and carrying maps
The spinless ones fall in their laps
The brave and the bold are the ones to be fooled
With a diet of lies by the Kipling school
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
But I just can't help being cynical
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
Do like I say, make me wonderful
Their morals are clean and their clear
They bend your arm and they bend your ear
Said they bend your mind as you talk in circles
Bend over forwards, this won't hurt you
Till there's blood in your lap; blood on your hands
Watch the money-go-round; watch the money-go-round
Come spend a penny, go out with a pound
Watch the money-go-round; watch the money-go-round
As you fall from grace and hit the ground
The need your votes and you know where to send 'em
Be we don't get the choice of a public referendum
On all the real issues that affect our lives
Like the USA base to which we play midwife
Take a cruise and forget this scene
Said come back later when the slates wiped clean
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
Born of woman, killed by man
Watch the money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
Do like they pray, make it wonderful
The good and righteous sing their hymns
The crimpoline dresses who have no sins
Christians by day, killers in war
The hypocrites who know what they're fighting for
Killing for peace, freedom and truth
But they're too old to go so they send the youth
Watch the money-go-round, watch the money-go-round
I don't think he was an astronaut
Watch the money-go-round, watch the money-go-round
I must insist - he was a Socialist!
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
They got it wrapped up tight, they got it safe and sound
Watch your money-go-round; watch your money-go-round
As you fall from grace and hit the ground

[12yearplan]

Yes!. Keep the momentum going.

Alternatively, I do believe Robinhood will be a meme

But not as you describe

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/robinhood-clients-report-trading-restrictions-135018962.html

[B402]

Best part,,,,People should meme good corporations that profit share or are just good companies that take care of their employees and make good products.....

Then capitalism will work and corps will want to be good companies not just profitable ones to have a good share price...

Capitalism could still work!

[B402]

I had to steal your video :) Thanks,,,,,

Ah, The Revolution

Seldomly Works out well,

But I can't help but laugh when the wall street boys get served the dish instead of serving it......

More later

[12yearplan]

Revolution is here ;)

[12yearplan]

Sold my gold and silver months ago at the top ;)
Shortin' canned food and ammo.
Appreciate the concern and if you come across any these extras ;):

[12yearplan]

Thanks B4!, doing great, been on a selling spree
Just in time looks like - crazy markets!.
Some are saying democratization, did you see retail kick the azz of The shorts on GME?,.. Reddit, lol.
Just think what we could do here ;).

I think you know I abhor conspiracy theory
But on a quick read that one looked so so positive
Extra points as Bull would say for power of positive thinking.
Look forward to getting back to it.
Apparently the author predicted our downturn today..

Been very busy, so missed politics for a week or so but half-way thru this for sleeping purposes ;)

Cheers!

[B402]

Hey 12, Good to see you, How ya doing?

Road to Roota eh.....Not sure I'm that deep into conspiracy...but there something to learn from everything, thanks

Common sense to me should rule the day and every day..I'm a firm believer in it and teach the boys to be careful not to outsmart themselves....

A broken Social Contract for greeds sake is a no brainer

A broken 2 party system should be obvious...

Elites living in a bubble is beyond obvious...

Most of all we quit, moving forward thus causing stagnation.....

Greed, Elitism, Stagnation....They all intertwine

Right now the GOP is setting up to be the ones who set the tinder on fire.....Power above country and truth...

Thanks, Good to see ya

[12yearplan]

Hard guy to track down, lol - Hey B4!,..
Found something you may be interested in, I'll look into a bit more with time but for now a positivity you may share:
https://www.roadtoroota.com/public/190.cfm
Also, this fellow seems very generous and accurate with his picks (wasn't sure if ur into that $orta thing.. ;)
https://investorshub.advfn.com/Orkey-Dorkey-Chart-Pennies-36529/

[B402]

Now we do all the wrong things.....Repubs lack of action after 1/6 set in motion all too many things that keep a country unity moment, a country hopelessly divided moment...

Not so unlike the Michigan protests that changed the course of the US covid response from one of unity..

Now back to politics as usual, 2 separate news sources, 2 separate themes, 2 sources of divisive rhetoric...

History shows there are times you can change the course of history if you rise to the moment,,But like the Michigan Protests it also shows what happens when you don't

What few leaders we have carried no weight after 1/6, Trump was not removed by the 25th nor by forced resignation resulting in no end to the election lies, no country over party, no country over politics..

Both sides now dig in and we will do all the wrong things....

Need I say, this country once rose to the moments placed before it, now it does not...No Empire (for lack) has ever stepped up and reversed its trend of decline once started, to the contrary..

[B402]

Neoliberalism Sounds harsh, but if the shoe fits

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

[B402]

Thousands of people are protesting with farmers in India. This is why you should care

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/11/world/farmer-protests-india-protests-hnk-trnd/index.html

"And above personal interests, we need to value human beings over corporations. That in itself is the central ethos of what has become one of the biggest protests in human history."