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More info. Looks like new CEO of CVR Energy is consolidating. Can't blame him. Why pay for two headquarters, two admin structures, etc. when the MLP easy money appears to have dried up?
I still have a grudge against Icahn though.
https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2019/01/18/cvr-energy-to-roll-up-refinery-mlp.html
Wow. I bet there are some pissed off stockholders who purchased at the $12-$17+ range who were hoping for a slow price recovery or years of divvies to recoup losses. Why this thing is still trading above 10.50 is a mystery.
Just another big "F YOU" from Icahn to unit holders. I hope people wise up to his scams and STAY AWAY FROM ICAHN STOCKS.
News: $CVRR CVR Refining Announces CVR Energy's Exercise of Right to Purchase Common Units
SUGAR LAND, Texas, Jan. 17, 2019 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- CVR Refining, LP (NYSE: CVRR) (the “Partnership”) announced today that CVR Energy, Inc. (“CVR Energy”) (NYSE: CVI) has elected to exercise the right (the “Call Right”) assigned to it by CVR Refini...
In case you are interested https://marketwirenews.com/news-releases/cvr-refining-announces-cvr-energy-s-exercise-of-right-to-purchase-common-units-7036286.html
News: $CVRR CVR Energy Reports Exercise of Right to Purchase Common Units of CVR Refining
SUGAR LAND, Texas, Jan. 17, 2019 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- CVR Energy, Inc. (NYSE: CVI) (“CVR Energy”) announced today that it has elected to exercise the right (the “Call Right”) assigned to it by CVR Refining GP, LLC (the “General Partner”), the general...
In case you are interested https://marketwirenews.com/news-releases/cvr-energy-reports-exercise-of-right-xa0-to-purchase-common-units-of-cvr-refining-7036292.html
Hey jugs, had to dig through old posts tom find a place you didn't post anymore or anyone else for that matter so that I would not clog up a board where other matters were being discussed. Have a look at my posts there is one there you need to just get a tiny nothing bit of and put in a sock drawer or a shoe box, It is a unicorn 100-200 shares on a dip anything under 2 but cheap as you can, will probably net 100-200 of our NGL 6-12 months maybe more of a gain than that but one must not let stars and fairy dust overtake their eyes and think low and be surprised, rather than think high and be disappointed.
Do some digging away from our other winner and just take a gander, many ramifications and not the usual fluffed up BS hype. A bit of reality in this one, which is rare in OTC market.
So please do not dismiss until you at least take a minute and have read or 2 or 7 and a thought or 2 or 12.
Enjoy your weekend my friend.
Peace out.
Seems like what we talked of here at the end of May is coming to pass and some stakeholders are not happy.
press release here
I gave up on this stock and Icahn's shenanigans a while ago but posting this here for anyone interested.
I'm not in position to speak to your position but I must say I think you're very possibly adding things up brilliantly!
I'm no longer a unitholder in CVRR because I do not trust Carl Icahn. Your theorizing is parallel to my own, I must say.
I wish you the best & I know I'd be making moves without hesitation.
Anyone have thoughts on the CVI offer to exchange their stock for CVRR stock?
Looks like they're trying to accumulate an additional 10% of the shares so they and close out the MLP. Am I reading that right? Once they get 80% of the shares they no longer have a fiduciary responsiblity. That doesn't sound good for the other 20% does it?
I don't blame you in the least.
I'm just not comfortable leaving that kind of gains on the stocks anymore, there is always another one to play, It will probably go higher, but oh well, It is what it is
I hope you're a sprinter. lol
Interesting development that will have distribution-hungry investors clammoring to get in the doors. I don't expect CVRR to bring this home to roost. Too many doubters will accuse Trump and his legions of consorting with the Corn Devil and I predict distributions will not increase.
Exclusive: U.S. EPA grants biofuels waiver to billionaire Icahn's oil refinery - sources
Jarrett Renshaw, Chris Prentice
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has granted a financial hardship waiver to an oil refinery owned by billionaire Carl Icahn, a former adviser to President Donald Trump, exempting the Oklahoma facility from requirements under a federal biofuels law, according to two industry sources briefed on the matter.
The waiver enables Icahn’s CVR Energy Inc (CVI.N) to avoid tens of millions of dollars in costs related to the U.S. Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) program. The regulation is meant to cut air pollution, reduce petroleum imports and support corn farmers by requiring refiners to mix billions of gallons of biofuels into the nation’s gasoline and diesel each year.
The Small Refiners Coalition, which represents companies that operate small refining facilities, said the EPA is required by law to help small refineries struggling with these regulations and that such exemptions are crucial to their financial well-being. It applauded EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt for protecting small refineries, regardless of ownership, from the RFS requirements.
But the exemption for CVR’s Wynnewood, Oklahoma plant prompted criticism from a corn state lawmaker and the powerful corn lobby, which has already accused Trump’s EPA of overusing the hardship waiver program in a way that hurts demand for ethanol.
“Hundreds of millions - and in some cases billions - of dollars in profits isn’t my definition of ‘hardship,’” Iowa Republican Senator Chuck Grassley said in statement condemning the CVR waiver. “President Trump promised to support home-grown biofuels, and Administrator Pruitt is breaking that promise.”
“This one’s going to be hard for Pruitt to explain,” Brooke Coleman, head of the Advanced Biofuels Business Council industry group, said in an email.
EPA spokeswoman Liz Bowman said that the agency does not comment on specific refineries. “But, what I can tell you is that the criteria used to grant waivers has not changed since previous administrations,” Bowman added.
CVR spokeswoman Brandee Stephens declined to comment regarding the waiver. Efforts to reach Icahn and his attorney for comment were not successful.
An early supporter of Trump’s 2016 presidential run and a key supporter on Wall Street, Icahn had met with Pruitt when Pruitt was being vetted in late 2016 for the EPA administrator job, according to news reports at the time.
Icahn stepped down from his position as special regulatory adviser to the Republican president last August after lawmakers cited potential ethical problems in his dual role as an adviser and an investor.
Icahn is currently under investigation by the U.S. Justice Department for his role in influencing biofuels policy while serving as Trump’s adviser. Some U.S. lawmakers have expressed concern that Icahn may have used his presidential access to benefit his investments, a charge Icahn has rejected.
The EPA has said it has granted more than two dozen waivers for 2017 but has declined to name the recipients.
Under Trump’s Democratic predecessor Barack Obama, the EPA granted about eight waivers annually.
Records show CVR had been denied on at least one occasion. The Small Refiners Coalition said the Obama administration had wrongly denied waivers to firms like CVR.
Reuters has reported that Andeavor (ANDV.N), one of America’s biggest refining companies, which reported about $1.5 billion in net profit last year, was among the other companies that have received hardship waivers from Trump’s EPA for its small refineries.
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To prove RFS compliance, refiners must earn or purchase tradable blending credits - awarded by the government for each blended gallon of fuel - and hand them in to the EPA yearly.
The EPA has the authority to exempt small refineries of under 75,000 barrels per day from the requirement under the hardship waiver program if they can prove that compliance would cause them “disproportionate financial hardship.”
With the exemption, CVR would not have to turn over the credits related to the Wynnewood facility for 2017, according to the two sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The waiver was granted in recent months but the sources did not say precisely when.
The Trump administration has encouraged small refiners to apply for the hardship waivers. A surge of applications has come to the EPA since a 2017 court ruling that the agency had used too narrow a definition of “financial hardship” under Obama.
The waivers have the potential to save companies tens of millions of dollars, by allowing them to avoid blending or paying for credits on the open market and by permitting them to sell any credits they have on hand to others.
CVR has reported a $23 million profit in the biofuels credit market in the first quarter of 2018 due to what it called a lower RFS obligation, an unusual return for a refiner that has no biofuel blending facilities.
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The company also said it expects its cost of complying with the RFS requirements to fall to $80 million for the entirety of 2018 from a previous estimate of $200 million, and from roughly $249 million in 2017.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biofuels-epa-icahn-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-epa-grants-biofuels-waiver-to-billionaire-icahns-oil-refinery-sources-idUSKBN1I10YB?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FbusinessNews+%28Business+News%29
CVRR has just announced a 45 cent distribution. It's exactly what I've been expecting. And it's what I've been thinking ALDW folks will be receiving as well.
So now we await the drop of the other shoe.
Back to CVRR---congratulations are due those who stuck it out.
I find it surprising that there's no excitement here on the board. Without ALDW in the works following the big swallow by Delek (DK), I'd expected to find a little more enthusiasm in CVRR. A lot of folks are expecting a fat distribution.
I'm not in the pro or con camp myself. My eyes are glued on forthcoming ALDW distributions which should be announced shortly. These distributions will close out the ALDW chapter for us diehard investors.
I wish good fortune to lingering CVRR holders.
I have traded CVRR numerous times and made out well. This has not been the case over the past couple of years, however, as I sensed decay in the well.
The last year and a half have not been kind to CVRR unitholders and I last held a position thinking there was opportunity for profitability. I saw the handwriting, though, and sold off without blinking an tearful eye. I was convinced I-Con was about to sell us out. As I see it, that's exactly what he did!
CVRR is a pig in a poke for sure, I see nothing but cloudy skies ahead regardless of political changes ahead. Some blame it on RINS but not me. After all, I-Con could have hooked up with retailing opportunities but didn't. That tells me loudly and clearly he is not preparing to resolve the company's dilemma if, in fact, he even considers it problematic.
I view the guy as a bucket of vomit looking for immediate gratification. It may be a condition of his age as he probably seeks near term gains and not mid to long term ones. But he nevertheless has an understood obligation to serve his investors. I have not seen his regard for them.
I hope this helps you!
What is your opinion on CVRR, do you think it will return to regular distributions? Or is this upcoming distribution an anomaly?
That's wonderful!
Thank you.
I really like that philosophy - help each other steer their own ships. I have certainly learned a lot by participating in these boards?
That's a two-edged question. There are certainly investors I like. But in picking an investment vehicle I know better than to follow any investor in its management circle.
I'd never endorse I-con's lead, knowing what I do about him based only on actions I've witnessed myself.
Most years I somehow manage to scrape together gains even I don't easily grasp until well after the start of the following year. My wife's IRA is ahead about 27% and climbing quickly. I have no idea where it will stand at the end of December. But I'm fairly certain it will be in better condition than most stock newsletters would have invited.
There's no investor I follow with any religiosity. Typically their gains aren't enough to lure me into their camp. Worse, though, is that I trust none of them as I see them promoting those high annual fees. Add in that I usually gain more by scrambling on my own two feet and my line tends to be:
"Dance with whut brung you to the dance."
I brung me and trust my picking and investing ability like no other.
I-con's has followers as we all do. The difference is that he makes a big deal of it wheras I'm just proud that I'm trusted. He gets paid in cash for his leadership. I enjoy being part of "the team and ask for nothing more."
He could buy and sell me a million times over without blinking an eye but I've never seen him helping others learn how to steer their own ships.
I was legally blind for five years dependent upon Houston's Metrolift, a public transportation service for the blind and otherwise handicapped. This enabled me to buy food at supermarkets and get around as necessary.
Through those years I came to know what it is to help others forage as I had to be helped. Before that can happen, they need to be taught. And that calls for teaching. Four surgeries brought my vision vack but life taught me well.
These boards fulfill that function. It is clearly my own mission.
So then, instead of looking for someone to steer your ship or mine, we can try to help and enable others to captain their own ships.
That's fair. To each his own. Are there any distressed investors that you do like/respect?
I can't think of anything to say. It sounds like your respect for him may override any concerns for his well recognized pig style. I'm not with you on that one.
That's fair. I never said that I was in love with him. I was more probing for opinions on his business acumen.
Personally, I like how he is able to turn around companies. I am not saying he is infallible, nor am I saying that every equity holder loves him, but he is good at what he does.
The dramatic return to distribution from 1.5 years of 0 is interesting but has not convinced me to reinvest here yet. Between now and December I will be evaluating CVRR and doing the research to hopefully start a position, as I too am wary of Mr Icahn's putting himself before us unit holders. That said it is the remaining refiner variable MLP and could rise a bunch on crude rebound and more great distributions... The market will jump on it too if the next one is great. So far one in a row has folks still in wait and see mode. JMO
-pete
What do YOU LIKE about Icahn?
I have no problem with Icahn the man. I don't trust Icahn the businessman. I don't hear people speak of their love for him or his generosity bespeaking his fine character.
The more I earn, the more I give to my charities of choice. My friends are the same way. They and I know this about ourselves.
Icahn is such a high profile guy, I'd expect to see his generosity blasted across the Internet but I've not seen it. However, I won't indict him as I may be missing information.
So all I can say with certainty is not that I dislike him, but that I feel no love for him.
Thank you for pointing me to the other boards. Just out of curiosity, why are you an Icahn detractor?
I can't say it was artificially compressed as the market will do as the market does. But I'm sensing that people have been frightened away from NGL for a variety of reasons, all of which come up regularly on the appropriate board here at IHUB.
CVRR is quite a different story as Icahn has long had his detractors And I think so for good reasons. For all of the past year I've been of the opinion that CVRR should have been avoided. I continue to believe investors should avoid the stock. I see no future in it for the short to mid term.
Check out the NGL and ALDW boards. They're great with much to gain by joining in the conversations.
So the stock has been artificially compressed to the point that investors cannot ignore it as a buy opportunity?
You are very welcome. I hope you find value in these board offerings.
You might look at NGL's movement today. What we've been seeing is sometimes referred to an stock compression. This is a term pointing towards a stock that's been held down for a time due to circumstances not necessarily operating together yet nevertheless produce a one-sided effect.
Forces have been suffocating NGL for months, dating back to April of this year. It had become a poster child for investors needing to vent out of frustration.
Seeing the compression factor, I loaded up on units despite jeers coming from some, particularly at Seeking Alpha.
The worm has turned and balance is returning.
Take a look at NGL if you haven't already.
And thanks for venturing forth in less familiar territory. We all gain through the sifting of sands to be found on an ordinary beach.
Thank you for such a candid response - I really appreciate it.
As Tony the tiger may have said, "GRRREEEEAAATTTT Question!!"
There are longs and not-so-longs among us. I'm a mix, myself, as I do this full time and when I smell a rat, I'll burn it posthaste.
MLPs represent higher yields than the majority of stocks out there. Many dividend hunters chase them for the distribution and then, once in hand meaning they've received the funds or are credited with them as per having held the stock prior to is going ex---then they'll be thinking: "Where can I make some money now? After all, this stock is dead meat for three months."
The caveat here is that as a company grows its bottom line efficiencies and prospers, we know the valuation will rise accordingly and we want to get in while things are cheap.
This is why I'm poised to jump all over NGL if it drops bigly.
In the case of ALDW, it's different for units are waaaay too cheap even now after a strong rise into guidance yet to come out. I will be a buyer no matter what if units drop much. If I pay more today than units run tomorrow? I'll be averaging things anyway and can't let myself get hung up on ego-driven nonsense.
For me it's always going to come down to cost basis. My ALDW cost basis is $8.08 so it's about to drop below $8 and I'm delighted with that. NGL---my cost basis is $11.98 and will drop towards the mid-$11 range. For this company I think it's perfect as I expect we will be seeing north of $20 by Spring of 2018. That's not a long time for me despite being a cancer survivor. lol
These picks are very exciting for me as I'm sure you can tell.
I appreciate your questions, by the way.
I have always been curious about that - why do MLP's give up ground for 6 weeks following ex-distribution?
I've been adding off and on all year. MLPs tend to give ground during 6 weeks or so following their going ex-distribution. Given that I expect it, I'll be watching and trying to size things up.
With payday coming up, I'm unable to come up with a reliable read on the future. Friday's peculiar trading confuses the picture and if there's no follow-through tomorrow, I'll have no choice but to just hang out and hope random bits of information will coalesce, producing a meaningful picture.
If there should be follow-through, it'll be a confidence builder for me, certainly.
Towards the middle of December is when we need to reach into our wallets. However, if units drop sharply at any time between now and then, I'll be prepared to buy units.
The thing to keep in mind is that a 14% yield is simply not common. Add in that this is a Fortune 500 company; what we have is a very strong company with assets strewn all over the country. Sure, there was a difficult quarter but it's passed and if the conference call and earnings report affirm that the company is indeed, narrowing its focus as well as taking other measures to strengthen the balance sheet, then I believe we have a powerhouse set to surge forward.
So are you considering adding to your position? If you think that the company has long term viability and that shorts are artificially keeping the price low, it might be time to add to your position.
A united campaign aimed at bringing shorts to weaken a pegged company can bring it to ruin. It wasn't that many years ago when Overstock.com was virtually ruined due to a massive shorting campaign. What they (the shorts) were doing was declared illegal but it brought the company to the brink of bankruptcy.
Shorts represent the other side of longs as we all know. But that doesn't mean that as a long I must like what they do. In essence, they seek to undermine the very stability of companies in which I've invested considerable cash of my own. Their efforts do me no good, for sure. If you can show me convincingly that shorts are good for a company, I'd like to see that one.
NGL has been viciously attacked by shorts for half a year now. I've added thousands of units due to their effectiveness, enabling me to buy units at beneath $6 which is a fire-sale price point. But I'm not going to suggest shorts helped me although they forced some of the steam out of the stock. And that brought units into a more affordable site.
So if I rail against a company, it's not always because of the ways in which the company operates. Rather, it is occasionally more about management's failure to put unitholders and shareholders first. In the case of CVRR, I'm convinced that folks will be piling on now for the fat distribution. But I'll bet these same folks will be ruing the day they first bought into Icahn's rhetoric as I firmly believe it's to be a one-off situation, not likely to be repeated any time soon.
Carl Icahn is hardly a name people associate with being a "good guy, all heart, determined to improve the lives of others." I view "me-me" individuals as "pig people" for they exhibit not much other than their making a lot of money through the wielding of massive power stemming from an accumulation of wealth.
Give me a good old blue-shirted factory worker! I'll trust him a lot more quickly than the ornery, self-serving bastard I see in Mr. Icahn. My dad was such a person, always recognized as extremely capable, caring and transparent.
However, these are not more than opinions, mind you. And opinions are subject to change day to day as things come to light. Nobody can say my opinions or his or anyone else's are more worthy of an audience. And this is why I always encourage others to follow their own instincts as I'm convinced that's where our greate3st successes will be found.