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Kyrie Traded to Boston for IT, Crowder, 1st 2018 Brooklyn Pick
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I got to say I have been very impressed by Porzingis he looks like he is gonna be a very good player in my opinion.
Really, they were winning because of Amare when he was healthy (He was almost MVP Caliber that first year and yes he was that good) (He was never healthy after melo got here that is the facts). It was also a way better offensive system then is currently being run, because D'antoni might not know a ton about defense but he knows how to run offense, and make pg look better they then really are by 100 times. Notice felton has not been the same kind of player in every other system except d'antoni, noticed lin looked so much better then he has, he makes PG look better then they are, he make guys like Nash who are all star PG win MVP awards.
Geez this had nothing to do with melo and you know this had to do with what you want back eating up more cap room then melo himself. Raymond felton, Gallinari who was is hurt and may never be the same player making 12 million a year, he plays a game then he needs a game to sit, we've been through that with amare. Chandler and mozgov are okay role players, but I don't want almost 30 million tied up in these 4 guy over melo 23. I said carmelo doesn't play defense, I said he doesn't create for others, I said he is not a top 5 player, I even said I would trade him for the lakers pick for crying out loud, all in yesterday's posting that you got so upset, so love fest for melo stop, their was no love fest in that post. That I don't want 30 million tied up in players that were only good because Amare was at an mvp level, passing only works if at the end of the day your worried about two primary guys with the cap, you no longer have a team built like the 60's or 70's where you can have 4-5 all stars so the game can't be the same, and has to be more focused on your two to three top players putting the ball in the hoop, because contrary to public opinion ball movement is great but I don't want Tyson chandler taking 15 ft open jumpers (Yes he will be open), back then your best team had more then 1 good player (They had 3-4-5 guys hence they didn't have to be dependent on one player. I know you want ball to be like the 60's and 70's contrary to opinion I actually like a team game, but I realize with the cap you don't have that option, people get excited when a team has 3 great players, best teams back then had 3 great players because they could afford three great players (Plus there are almost double the number of team now so less good players to go around), now it is very hard to have anything else around a team if you have two or three great players. And you won't win anything if you have 5-6 above average player, sure that could look like a team, but I doubt you could win a championship doing that.
All we were doing was debating a knicks issue, and you get upset, because someone doesn't agree with you. it is called a healthy debate/conversation of and issue. Anyways that's that.
This is why I didn't post here for a couple months, because you get caustic, like usual. I do not love Felton, glad he was traded....BUT when that young team was together, they were all trying and Raymond was in better shape back then and mentally in the games. They were playing 53% ball, getting better and better and passing the ball like the 60's early 70's Knicks, was impressive to see the teamwork jelling for a so so talented team of youngsters. I know they weren't stars or anything like that, but we finally were getting salary cap in line under Donnie Walsh, he was doing a great job and needed to be left alone, of course moron Dolan couldn't do that, forced trading the team away for the ballhog who will NEVER win a championship on the pro level, period. No clue how to spell team...
I'm done posting here again, why bother. So many younger people like you are clueless about sports and how to win championships, how to be a TEAM, what fundamentals are, no clue at all what fundamentals are, anyway, all about me me I I, shame, like stepping on people or twisting others words, so much like society nowadays and why the country is going down the toilet. Adios Dude, may you find your way somehow in life, that was the last time.....I talk about not liking Carmelo and you get personal like it is your lover. So deal with it, lmao, there are people who don't like him, why go after me constantly? You must love it, no more punching bag for you here.
TNT did the worst job of covering a game last night that I've ever seen, man that was painful to listen to. Did not realize it was on TBS also, would have switched over, I assume different announcers.....I didn't care who won, Wisconsin or Kentucky, but those TNT announcers should never be allowed to do another game ever, immediate fire in my book, bigtime WOW!!! Painful, painful to listen to......had never seen a group of announcers sooooooooooooooooooooooo one sided for one team, man oh man.....
OKC will lose him after this next season, who wants to stay and play in a dust bowl tornado ravaged threat area? AND where he is second fiddle now, lmao....He'll move to a different area of the country, wait and see...time will tell who is right.....I gotta see him resign there to believe it and watch OKC get nothing for him like morons.....
Jackson is a good player, but my reason why I cooled on him is I believe the pistons will match any offer, so I don't see the purpose of looking at him, like butler from chicago.
As for Kaminsky and Dekker they did a good job against kentucky today in my opinion.
I don't see why durant would leave, unless he is gonna get less money from OKC. And maybe that will happen they wouldn't give harden the max they should of paid him every cent. They traded reggie jackson away. I wouldn't be shocked if they don't resign kanter if someone offer him close to the max.
As for Durant he has been healthy until this year, I certainly wouldn't do the trade if we are talking Towns/Russell, actually I wouldn't do it because I'm worried about the injury. Durant is the guy that create for others that I didn't mention, but even he is hurt now. So shows you the rarity of non pg that create in my opinion.
I probably would pass on trading for durant. Because I want to start the building process with the guy they draft in my opinion.
The only way I would take a chance on durant is something like this. will never happen.
Anthony traded to the lakers
Lakers pick goes to OKC
Durant goes to NYK
Because all things being equal if healthy Durant is a better player then Anthony in my opinion. But OKC would never do this trade in my opinion.
No thanks I don't want them, you won't win anything with them. No offense I know you hate melo but this getting to absurd levels.
I mean you longing that much for the return of raymond felton eating up 8 million of cap space, I'm certainly not I was throwing a party when they got rid of him, then again I didn't realize how bad calderon is. Wilson chandler is a decent 13-6 guy who plays decent defense at 7 million a year. solid player but he is nothing more then a role player. Gallinari, is injury prone and may never be the same player. And Mozgov is nothing special in my opinion.
I realize you will never acknowledge why carmelo success (Team) has went down is the same reason why I'm so hell bent on russell being here. They don't have a creating PG. or a creating Player. Why did carmelo go to the playoff all those year. Because he had a guard to create for others whether it was Andre Miller, or Allen Iverson, or Chauncey Billups, or even Jason Kidd that 1 year he was here. it is about having great leadership at the point, it get exacerbated when almost every team in the league has a decent pg and you don't. The last two year we have seen felton (who apparently you can't wait to have back) and calderon (Who can be calling go into the fire from the frying pan). Until you get a creating guard it ain't gonna make a difference because Anthony isn't gonna create for others. You seem to see that as and indictment, I seem to see that call me when you see SF or SG get 5 Assist per game not named harden and james. I mean Wade and Kobe do it when they play but they are always hurt and you wouldn't want them nor do I. So that is why I'm so head over heels for russell. I also don't expect anthony to create.
The death of the knicks was not anthony, but rather the lousy stuff they put around him. Now do I think Anthony is not a great defender I agree with you he is not a very good defender. Do I think he is a top 5 player. Absolutely not there is more then scoring and rebounding. Do I think he makes his teammates better? absolutely not. Then again outside of Harden and James unless they are a PG name a player that fits that criteria, so holding that against Anthony to me seem absurd. There is and answer to this go get a PG heck there is about 20 of them for crying out loud that could do the job. But giving up Mozgov, chandler, gallinari, and Felton for anthony was no loss, lets not make like the nuggets haven't finished up the track since anthony left. And lets not make it like those players would of won anything, I get it your a melo hater, and I'm the opposite, but the days you start longing for raymond felton and company over melo is just absurd in my opinion. You want to get rid of him for the 4th pick in the draft and get more cap room that is one thing (I can even go along with that). You want almost 30 Million in cap eaten by those 4 players you are absolutely bonkers, instead of anthony 23 million. I know you hate melo, and I don't agree (As I think the lack of PG (Creating Guard is the problem), but respect your opinion, when I completely don't get is this sudden love affair of the guys that left. These guys ain't any good, I hope your just joking, because not in a million year do I want 30 Million invested in these 4 guys of the cap. Yikes.
Kaminsky playing really well against all these Kentucky bigs....16 points and 7 rebounds so far.... 15 minutes left in the game.....
Reggie Jackson having a big game tonight against the Heat, under a minute left in the game, he has 29 pts, 11 assists, awesome....but he does have 7 turnovers, ouch, that hurts.....
If OKC called right now, would you trade Knicks 1st round pick coming up, for Durant???? I think OKC should absolutely do that trade, with Durant's foot issues....Knicks would maybe consider if Durant did a sign and trade, currently only one year left, 2015/2016 season.....OKC going to lose Durant anyway when he is a free agent in another year, may as well get Knicks #1 if they could.....
Watch that deal happen and we'd be stuck with two guys injured all the time, lmao lmao....two highest paid players on team, lol, Carmelo and Durant both out for long periods at a time......
OMG, Carmelo haunts me everyday as a Knicks fan.......
Carmelo nothing but a ballhog, no defense, overpaid %*&.....Give me back the guys we traded anyday of the week, ANYDAY, they were passing beautifully and playing hard as a group, coming along nicely. Carmelo the death of the Knicks and actually my guy Phil Jackson has been death of the Knicks future by resigning him to that alltime high NBA contract at his age, INSANITY......
a team? Really they traded Raymond Felton, wilson chandler who is and okay player. Mozgov and okay player, and Gallinari who was a solid starter before the injury. That's it. I know you don't like Melo but lets not act for a second like any of those players would of helped you win anything in my opinion. Clippers would be nut to trade griffin. Only team plausible is the lakers in my opinion. I get it you don't like Melo, and I get that you don't like him eating up that much cap space, I even get that I'm too easy on Melo, but the guys we gave up to denver are not exactly setting the world on fire, they can dream about having melo's career in my opinion.
I think Knicks would do well drafting Towns, Mudiay or Russell.....
I PRAY for Phil Jackson Jeannie Buss pillow talk and sending Carmelo to LAKERS!!! Carmelo would agree to that in a heartbeat, plus he has another home there.....
OR
Trade Carmelo to Clippers for Blake Griffin....Get Chris Paul and Carmelo together.......so desperate to be rid of Carmelo, still can not believe Knicks traded a team to Denver for him, still makes me sick......
The problem is everyone seems to have money to go shopping hence having money doesn't sound that great in my opinion, hence more money around the FA available, hence you start overpaying for average players. Having draft picks however that is a plus (Celtics and Sixers Have). Knick don't have next years pick, so they have to hit a homerun with this one in my opinion.
Ainge knows what he is doing with Celtics, jmo.....Building that pile of draft picks and have ton of dough to go shopping with, just requires patience for Celtic fans......Wish Knicks were in Celtics or Sixers situations, with all those draft picks......Knicks have idiot owner, which is why the lack of draft picks....2016 #1 pick goes to Toronto in the Bargnani trade, puke puke, who is likely not even to be on the team in 2015/2016 season.....at least I hope he isn't......
That plan makes sense if you were the GM......Not my plan, but your plan is a good one....I'd just prefer to draft Towns now and sign a nice free agent point guard in 2016.....Obviously Knicks have cash to add another piece besides Towns this off season, maybe couple 2nd level pieces....I just want a lockdown center and I think Towns could be that eventually....I like Monroe, don't get me wrong, but I am not looking to be just competitive and a top 5 team in the East, I want to build the best team in the East, that starts with Towns and then get a big time point guard as you say in 2016.....
Lakers would be the only team where it would work remember you would have to have carmelo agree to go there I believe. Thing is though I do find some inconsistency with what your saying you are telling me can't wait to get rid of carmelo (No inconsistency their), but at the same time and I agree your telling me it is gonna be hard to find player to sign because of the cap going up, hence cap space isn't as valuable in my opinion if you can't get players to buy for that free cap space in my opinion. Hence why I don't want to trade melo for a box of balls, because I realize a player like Greg monroe is what we should be targeting with a max contract, but we have to realize we are not getting a ton of available because their own teams are gonna resign them. A player with upside who is young in my opinion.
Keep in mind, Lakers will finish with 4th worst record it looks like. So they could win lottery and be first or they could be no worse than 7th I believe.....So if they end up being 5th 6th or 7th, they would surely have a great interest to get up to #1 or #2 if Knicks are in that position, jmo......They do have 27th and a 34th pick in this draft, but that 27th isn't high enough pick for Knicks, to trade down, not enough compensation.....
Philly has 3rd, 16th, 19th....but that 3rd could be first or as low as 6th????? If they end up 5th or 6th, don't ya think they'd like to pick a lil higher up to get their guy???? I'd accomodate them, just to get that 16th pick thrown in for moving down a few spots....
GS I'm not so sure. but big market teams like the bulls and clips don't hold your breath on taking those FA. Hence I'm not going after Butler or Jordan. Instead My focus is on Monroe, I'm willing to give him the max to have him sign. The max with him only starts at 16 million a year, the max on dragic is like 21 million so two very different things in my opinion. Plus Monroe is still very young and fits my plan, he is 25. Monroe is my main target hence why I want to get the guard in the draft.
LOL, yeah, a box of balls would work for me, just to have that $24M slot to go shopping with and get a player that can be part of the future and be rid of Carmelo.....Do you think there is a team with $24 Million in salary cap space, that is drafting from 1st to 15th that would consider that trade? Man I'd love another #1 pick....obviously I'd take any draft pick or picks for Carmelo....
Ya know 2016 when salary cap goes sky high, there may not be to many decent free agents being available this yr or next yr, even though we may have excellent money available.....Think about it, Clippers will go max to sign Jordan this off season, go way over salary cap this yr, cause they know salary cap room will be created for 2016....A lot of teams will maybe offer big contract this off season to their restricted or unrestricted free agent, cause of knowing big raise in cap for 2016???? Just a thought....You already know Bulls will do same as Clippers and go as high as a max offer if need be to keep Butler this yr, go way over the cap, but they know 2016, then they will be back under the cap. Draymond Green with Golden State is an unrestricted free agent this off season and he plays defense, I'd love to have him, but can see Golden State offering huge money to resign him, go way over the cap, because in 2016 they'll be back under the cap.....All teams will be in this same situation as Bulls, Clips and Warriors, can offer anything this coming off season and be under the cap 2016 off season.....
It may hamper who we can sign....time will tell.....
If the lakers were stupid enough to trade a top 4 pick in this draft for melo I would gladly oblige them (They are not going to do that), because as you said melo ain't getting any younger and if you could turn him into Mudiay or russell, and draft towns with your pick, you got a good start and you got 50 Million in cap space. Admittingly I know you would trade anthony for a box of balls, I would need to get russell or Mudiay back for him (Hence a top 4 pick), otherwise I'm keeping him, because 1 pick would not be enough for him in my opinion if we are looking at somebody like Winslow who I like, but that ain't enough unless more picks are coming back. Mudiay or russell they can have anthony. They get the 3rd pick, and want anthony they can have him. I'll take russell and town and that is my start to building the team in my opinion.
I agree with all you said there......Ya know something, I just hope Knicks build for next 5 to 10 yrs and not build for next 2 yrs, because of Carmelo expiration date.....which is why I spoke of moving down a few spots, if we can pick 4th through 7th and pick up and extra #1 this yr or a top 6 pick next yr for giving up a top 2 pick this yr.....that would be building for the future, not doing a quick job, because of Carmelo and his age/injuries.....Best would be, trade Carmelo to Lakers and get their pick, but Lakers MUST be no worst than 5th in the lotto, or they lose their draft pick to Phoenix......
Cauley Stein to me is tyson chandler/Noah type. Lyles I don't have and opinion on. Actually I know I'm one of very few that would prefer russell over everyone, my opinion on that is outside of Harden and James, there aren't many guards or fowards that create for other that aren't pg. I see that as a very rare find, and value that a ton, maybe too much in my opinion. But to me to get a sg or a SF that can average 5 assist-6 assists, you talk why doesn't melo do it, I counter how many outside of the two I mention do it, look at the list they are all PG pretty much. I love the idea of two creators on the court, and if you bring him in.
I also wouldn't be surpsied if Dekker moves up to the top 10-12 Picks he has been fantastic this tourney in my opinion. wisconsin is not just kaminsky (who you know I like), but Dekker has been outstanding as well in my opinion.
I agree with you on Harden and you make a very good point about team around Russell at Ohio State, there is a lot to be said for that.......when ya compare the talent on Kentucky and Dukes teams.....
I will not be mad or upset if we get Russell, I'll be excited about having him, so don't think I'm bashing him or poo pooing you, because you really like him. Cause I'd love to have him, the little I have seen of him......I'd prefer Towns, Mudiay, Russell, then Winslow, Steins or Lyles.......Okafor I guess I'd have to take at 4th if I had to, but zero chance he lasts to 4th pick....
Clearly Okafor Towns at #1, Mudiay/Russell for 3rd and 4th, Winslow 5th, maybe even 4th, who knows? That is what it looks like.....Cauley Stein and his teammate Lyles go in top 10 also....
With my luck as a Knicks fan, I'll get stuck with Okafor and can bitch about his zero defense for next 5 yrs and make me puke......I know it's coming, wait and see.....somehow I'll be stuck with him....yeah yeah, he'll score 20 plus points a game and stand around watching other teams drive the paint on him and we lose 110 to 100 each night....
Do you think James Harden is a good defender? I really don't believe he is. I'm not saying Russell is that good of and offensive player. But I love the idea of having a playmaking two guard (I see him like a 20-6-6). I'm sick of watching calderon and felton of the world and try and create, it is a matter of preference, I'm clearly not as big on defense as you plus I have my plan with russell, beverly and Monroe in FA. Beverly guard the ball, and Monroe grabs the rebounds in my opinion. I also think while winslow, Okafor, and Towns were playing with nba quality players, Russell team around him left a lot to be desired in my opinion, and he still put up great numbers, and got his team in the tourney.
Could be that Winslow is 5th, but I'd still be thrilled with Stein, Lyles and couple others. Heck, I'd love to trade down to 4th 5th 6th, 7th and get an extra pick around 12th to 17th and pick Kaminsky, he might be excellent in the triangle, not sure if he is acceptable enough at defense though, he needs to gain fair amount of weight....I like 7 or 8 diff guys, just wish we could draft two of the top 15 players somehow and get someones top 5 draft pick next yr, for moving down 3 to 5 spots....
Russell looks like a very very nice player, but from everything I have read, he is so so at best on defense. Mudiay is supposedly someone who can stop opposing teams point guards from penetrating and Towns clearly best defense at center for Knicks, so there are your two best at defense and they are PG and Center as you say.....
Winslow in my opinion will be gone by 5th. He is the 1rst one off after the big 4.
How would you rebuild if you were the celtics
To me Defense is needed at two positions (PG and Center), plus one the foward need to be good and you fine with one average and one subpar, because you need to score too in my opinion. Don't get me wrong I'm happy if they all play defense. What I need is a creator to me that is the most important thing, that is why I'm so high on Russell. Melo ain't gonna do it, and lets not have a pipe dream he is going nowhere, and unless your giving dragic close to the max I don't see that playmaker in 2015, and the knicks don't have their pick in 2015 so no benefit of being bad, so might as well try and compete.
You see can't see why the sixers would want a big man. With Emblid and Noel, don't understand why they would be trading up they are fine where they are in my opinion they need guards.
Assuming Knicks got 1st pick in the draft, the key to trading down to 4th through 7th, would be to trading with a team that will still suck bad next year and get their #1 pick in 2016 as compensation for allowing them to take Knicks spot this yr.....I'd love a Cauley Stein at 6 or 7th pick, or Trey Lyles of Kentucky at 6th through 9th.....That kid is going to be a stud offensively and can play defense also, hustles and is polished near the hoop, plus 6ft 10 inch.....
I still can't stop wondering about Justice Winslow in a Knick uniform, but only if we could trade down, I wouldn't pick him with a top 3 draft pick.....but would love to pick him 6th in the draft and have an extra pick first round for moving down.....
You speak of "good" "solid" players in the top 10 and I agree....I just have one major requirement with this top pick, whether it be #1, #2, #3, #4 or whatever, that pick better be able to play DEFENSE. Show me a good solid player that can play defense and has some offense. TOWNS fits that bill... And from everything I have read, Mudiay fits that bill. Okafor plays ZERO defense, lack of effort on defensive end and watch him drag his feet up the court, guy is in slow motion, like he is soooooo lazy. YES he will be a scoring machine probably, but unlikely to ever be on a championship team, jmo.
You see Sixers have 3rd, 16th, 19th picks in first round???? That 3rd pick, could be anywhere from 1st overall or at worst 6th pick in draft after the lotto is completed. I'd love to see them get 5th or 6th pick in draft and Knicks get 1st or 2nd pick and offer them that pick for their 5th or 6th and take #16 from them for moving up.....Won't happen, I know....but we need draft picks, Knicks have no 2nd round pick in 2015 and no first round pick 2016.
Celtics have multiple picks first round, Minnesota would be a great team to trade with if they end up drafting 5th, allow them to move up to Knicks spot and take their spot this yr and take their 1st round pick next year, cause they'll still suck and be a top 5 draft pick next yr.....
http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
This is a good draft, the thing is we are complaining about Okafor, the truth is I think he will be a really solid player. I don't want the knicks to draft him, but there are plenty of good players. I like the wisconsin players dekker and Kaminsky, they are middle of the first round picks but I think they will be solid player. Winslow is growing on me as well, I think he will be a real solid player. We will see what happen, but eventhough this year has been lousy, at least it ain't Like the IT years salary cap hell, bad team and draft picks that were either trade or like the 8th or 9th pick. This team at least has cap room and and a top 4 pick no matter what in my opinion.
2015 NBA Mock Draft
http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S A MIRACLE!!! LOL
That would be so uplifting and exciting for me as a Knicks fan.....
AND
The two people that can make it happen sleep together, lmao lmao.....
In my dreams even thinking about this.....
I would do that trade in a blink of and eye. So we agree. Although I believe your way too hard on melo, and I'm probably too easy, the fair assessment lies somewhere in the middle of our two opinions, this trade would make too much sense to ignore in my opinion, because two young guys and a ton of a cap space intrigues me. Although chances of that happening is almost nil.
A different Knick Laker trade option, ineresting:
Could the Knicks and Lakers make a blockbuster trade during NBA Draft?
http://sports-kings.com/nysportskings/could-the-knicks-and-lakers-make-a-blockbuster-trade-during-nba-draft/2/
D’Angelo Russell If Jahlil Okafor Off The Draft Board; Greg Monroe Preferred Over Karl-Anthony Towns?
http://www.hngn.com/articles/81526/20150331/new-york-knicks-rumors-d-angelo-russell-jahlil-okafor-draft.htm
Would New York Trade Draft Pick for Kevin Durant?
https://dailyknicks.com/2015/03/27/knicks-new-york-trade-draft-pick-kevin-durant/
James Dolan Allegedly Selling Team; Phil Jackson Ready For Major Shake-Up In Front Office
This can't be true, this would be a HUGE win for Knicks fans to be rid of this creep Dolan.....I don't believe this story at all, I could never get this lucky as a Knicks fan.....
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/189170/20150402/new-york-knicks-rumors.htm
OMG, that would be absolute heaven for me, to see Knicks trade Carmelo to Lakers for their #1 draft pick, a top 6 pick let's say.....Imagine being rid of an aging Carmelo and that $25M salary and draft two of the top 4 or 5 players in the draft? (Towns and Russell or Muiday?) (Or Okafor and Muiday or Russell?)
WOW, slap me and wake me up........
That article does make sense, Kobe in his last yr, Carmelo with a home in LA would wave his no trade clause, they have Randle and more cap space to sign another key free agent, Rondo or whoever....
Meanwhile great for Knicks to be totally stripped down and start with 2 young studs, a TON of salary cap space, more than anyone, wow, that would be exciting, only thing left to do is jettison Calderon and use Hardaway if need be to do it......Keep that Russian player Sved, I like him, intriguing player and cheap enough......
PHIL AND HIS FIANCE COULD MAKE ME SOOOOOOO HAPPY, PUULEASEEEEE!!!
Could the Knicks and Lakers make a blockbuster trade during NBA draft?
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/could_the_knicks_and_lakers_make_a_blockbuster_trade_during_nba_draft/18552056
How to Build the New York Knicks Backcourt of the Future
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2413590-how-to-build-the-new-york-knicks-backcourt-of-the-future
All these people on ESPN are suddenly picking my boy Towns as the #1 pick, grrrrrrrr......Just watched 6 diff people pick and 5 went Towns. Knicks better get #1 pick to draft Towns....I can see it now, Knicks will get #2nd draft pick, team drafting first will select Towns and Knicks will pick no defense Okafor, watch and see, mark this post, Phil will screw this up, just like resigning Carmelo at his age to highest contract in NBA history, grrrrrrrr.......
Rockets: Beverly out for season and playoffs, wrist surgery.....
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