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08/10/04 6:23 PM

#41888 RE: Petz #41886

Petz, Re: With 68w Athlon 64 vs. Prescott power difference in idle mode x 24 hours, that's 1.6KWh/day or $10/month per PC in Southern California at homeowner marginal electric rates

You shouldn't trust any results that claim that Prescott's idle power is 68W higher than Athlon 64. That is just so beyond credible that it's silly. With the presence of a simple sleep state (one that shuts off all internal clocks after the OS passes the HALT instruction and there are no snoops present on the FSB), the idle power will drop to the size of the leakage power. Dothan's sleep power at 2.0GHz is rated at a max of 10.5W*, which assumes the leakiest chips in the batch (most individual chips will be smaller than this, but as far as spec sheets go, you always have to list the worst case). Prescott has a lot more logic transistors, but it's on the same process, so the sleep state power should scale with the ratio of logic transistors that Prescott has over Dothan.

Does anyone have any idea what this is? It should be pretty easy to estimate Prescott's idle power dissipation if this information is known. Somehow, I don't think it's in the neighborhood of 10x, which seems the amount necessary to get a 68W difference between Prescott and Athlon 64.

* By the way, I looked up the sleep power for Banias, and it's 7W, which suggests that Dothan is a leakier chip. Unfortunately, I don't have any information on how much power is leaked by the additional SRAM cells (Dothan has 2x Banias). Even though SRAM leaks less than logic transistors, an extra megabyte worth is non-trivial.

** Another last minute thought: the sleep power tells us that about 50% of Dothan's power comes from leakage. If there were a process that could eliminate leakage totally, then Dothan would be a about a 10W chip.
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I_banker

08/10/04 7:51 PM

#41893 RE: Petz #41886

Petz, interesting calculation. I wonder what would happen if AMD64 PCs started being sold with the litte yellow energy savings stickers attached to them (like other appliances do).

Would it actually influence buyers to buy AMD? More importantly would they portentially be shooting themselves in the foot as Intel moved to a Dothan based desktop CPU?
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Tenchu

08/11/04 2:12 AM

#41909 RE: Petz #41886

Petz, I know I'm nitpicking here, but my electric rates here in SoCal are $0.14 per kWh. Plus it's pretty crazy to assume that Athlon will always consume 68W less than Prescott.

But thanks for doing the math. If anything, that ought to get more people to use the system standby mode more often ... unless of course they're running file-sharing networks, in which case the money they're paying in electricity is more than made up for by all the free stuff they're downloading ... <G>

Tenchu