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IH Geek [Meatloaf]

02/12/08 10:04 AM

#149 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #148

One problem that would need to be overcome - MS are anonymous even to each other. Although I haven't looked too closely at the implementation of the generic Admin queue, I had the impression that it required a fair degree of cooperation not to step on each others toes. To preserver anonymity, "locked by XXX" messages would have to be rethought.

Mod Squad 4

02/12/08 1:15 PM

#151 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #148

Suggestion:

With flame wars, stalking, and other inappropriate behavior occurring between posters continually but not always the same people.

Would be possible to somehow mark the accounts of the troublesome posters so they are brought to the attention of Admin and MS'rs? Until they can continually post within the TOU.

IH Geek [Dave]

02/12/08 2:33 PM

#152 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #148

I would favor sticking with the Q&A board for general inquiries. Not all MSers work from segregated accounts because having to flip back and forth between accounts is a hindrance to their participation.

We may provide MS access to a limited TOS Queue view, but the pros/cons of that are currently under discussion.

Mod Squad 4

02/13/08 10:24 AM

#153 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #148

Under the manage view of a board it's currently not possible to see deletions by clicking "Next". You must go back to the message list to see deletions. How difficult would it be to write the code to be able to go through all posts by using the "Next" button?

Churak

02/22/08 1:30 PM

#170 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #148

I remember people having a problem with this in siggy's etc but I never realized what a problem this is...

Little apostrophe confounds Information Age


SEAN ODRISCOLL
The Associated Press

NEW YORK–It can stop you from voting, destroy your dental appointments, make it difficult to rent a car or book a flight, even interfere with your college exams.

More than 50 years into the Information Age, computers are still getting confused by the apostrophe. It's a problem familiar to O'Connors, D'Angelos, N'Dours and D'Artagnans across America.

When Niall O'Dowd tried to book a flight to Atlanta earlier this year, the computer system refused to recognize his name. The editor of the Irish Voice newspaper could book the flight only by giving up his national identity.

"I dropped the apostrophe and ran my name as `ODowd,'" he said.

It's not just the bad luck o' the Irish. French, Italian and African names with apostrophes can befuddle computer systems, too. So can Arab names with hyphens, and Dutch surnames with "van" and a space in them.

Michael Rais, director of software development at Permission Data, an online marketing company in New York, said the problem is sloppy programming.

"It's standard shortsightedness," he said. "Most programs set a rule for first name and last name. They don't think of foreign-sounding names.''

The trouble can happen in two ways, according to Rais.

One: Online forms typically have a filter that looks for unfamiliar terms that might be put in by mistake or as a joke. A bad computer system will not be able to handle an apostrophe, a hyphen or a gap in a last name and will block it immediately.

Two: Even if the computer system is sophisticated enough to welcome an O'Brien or Al-Kurd, the name must be stored in the database, where a hyphen or apostrophe is often mistaken for a piece of computer code, corrupting the system.

That's what happened during the Michigan caucus in 2004, when thousands of O'Connors, Al-Husseins, Van Kemps and others who went to the polls didn't have their votes counted.

"It was a real slapped-together computer system the party put together and a lot of people were left out who were registered to vote, it was a real pity," said Michigan political consultant Mark Grebner.

In this year's primaries, the system worked much better, according to the Michigan Democratic Party. There have been isolated reports of problems elsewhere, but nothing on the scale of Michigan.

Still, an apostrophe, hyphen or space can interfere with medical and dental records, gym memberships, online searches or school registration.

Dutch-American proofreader Jessica van Campen has seen her name listed as Jessica Vancampen, Jessica Van, Jessicavan Campen, Jessica Campen and Jessican Kampen by uncertain computer systems. When she went to her finals in college, she was listed under Campen and was told Jessica Van Campen had dropped out of the course.

"It was another moment of panic," she said.

All of this confusion has prompted some people to surrender to technology. Iraqi immigrant Lina Alathari was once known as Lina Al-Athari, but dropped the hyphen in America. "There is no pronunciation difference, so I'm fine with it," she said.

Erin Carney D'Angelo, a lawyer in New York, was born apostrophe-free, but took one on when she married her Italian-American husband. But "he told me to drop the apostrophe when filling out forms so to computers I'm just a `Dangelo,'" she said.

The problem is difficult to correct because computer systems have many different ways of recognizing names, Rais said.

"It depends on the form filters and it depends on the database program," he said. "Basically, there are a lot of programmers out there who forget that a growing portion of the American public are not called John Smith or Mary White.''

The Irish apostrophe began with the British, who put it there because they believed the O looked odd without a link to the rest of the name. Many Gaelic speakers in Ireland refuse to carry an apostrophe, considering it a vestige of colonial days.

"Maybe that's the solution," said O'Dowd, who just last week was rejected by an online alarm clock service. "Maybe we should just drop the apostrophe altogether, not just as a nationalist statement but because I'd like my alarm call to work in the morning.''

For my part, I've already thrown off my apostrophe. From now on I am Sean ODriscoll.

Susie924

05/07/08 4:14 PM

#194 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #148

Is it possible to have the search for public messages work the same way as for private messages?

With PM's you can put in a date range but with public messages you can only pick an entire year.

I get more timeouts with public messages because of the longer time span that it has to look at.