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momoney24

06/20/20 8:05 PM

#281755 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reversal: 60%
Affirm:20%
Remand:10%
Settlement:10%

IslandOfMisfitToys

06/20/20 8:12 PM

#281757 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse 50% Affirm 50% Remand 0% Settle 0%

This is it. The Cosmic Coin Flip. God Save Our Ship!

othersideofthemirror

06/20/20 8:14 PM

#281758 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 50%
Affirm: 45%
Remand: 2.5%
Settle: 2.5%

xblkbk

06/20/20 8:25 PM

#281760 RE: rafunrafun #281753

60
35
05
00

Larrybirdlegend

06/20/20 8:39 PM

#281764 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse= 20%

Affirm= 29%

Remand= 1%

Settle= 50%

sstyles

06/20/20 9:03 PM

#281773 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 50%

Affirm: 50%

Number sleven

06/20/20 9:06 PM

#281775 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Raf, I think the chance of reversal is high. I don't think the appeals court will want to set new legal precedent as to how secondary indicia are weighed. Settlement is not easy to guess at. It would appear Amarin has no problem with settling. Hard to tell where the generic companies stand. I give us a 70 percent chance on reversal. 30 percent on affirmation. Setting a new precedent might be more important for the generics then having access to generic Vascepa. Settlement ?
Sleven,

jomama9231

06/20/20 9:32 PM

#281780 RE: rafunrafun #281753

I’m currently at a coin flip.

Reverse: 50
Affirm: 48
Remand: 2
Settle: 0 (or negligible percentage)

ilovetech

06/20/20 9:39 PM

#281781 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Raf,


Reverse: 85
Affirm: 0
Remand: 15
Settle: 0 (or negligible percentage)

ILT

kjones3701

06/20/20 9:46 PM

#281782 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse 50
Affirm 40
Remand 0
Settle 10

caddiedad

06/20/20 10:06 PM

#281784 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 78% = 7-2 Singer appeal wins.
Remand: 8%
Affirm: 7%
Settle:7%

Million89

06/20/20 10:07 PM

#281785 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 70%
Affirm: 25%
Remand: 5%
Settle: 0%

MontanaState83

06/20/20 10:31 PM

#281787 RE: rafunrafun #281753

RAF - well, given the long list of Dufus errors, it should be 100% reversed. But, given how totally f’d up the whole system is, I’m with TTE. Coin flip

Reverse: 50
Affirm: 50

(Pray we get a panel with brains and integrity)

BioBull

06/20/20 10:33 PM

#281788 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse- 60%
Affirm- 35%
Settle - 5%

cruyff22

06/20/20 10:34 PM

#281789 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 70. Affirm: 25. Remand: 5. Settlement: 0

Toddrobertking

06/20/20 10:40 PM

#281791 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 71.45%
Affirm: 18.55%
Remand: 7.25%
Settle: 2.75%

ORBAPU

06/20/20 10:52 PM

#281792 RE: rafunrafun #281753

100%
0
0
0

marzan

06/20/20 11:20 PM

#281796 RE: rafunrafun #281753

100% 0 0 100 is mine Raf. Hope MRM includes mine.

oneragman

06/20/20 11:28 PM

#281798 RE: rafunrafun #281753

raf,
Reverse: 70%
Affirm: 5%
Remand: 20%
Settle: 5%

SuppressivePerson

06/20/20 11:42 PM

#281801 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 40%
Affirm: 50%
Remand: 10%
Settle: 0%

dukesking

06/20/20 11:55 PM

#281803 RE: rafunrafun #281753


Reverse 65
Affirm 25
Remand 10
Settle 0

KevGee59

06/21/20 12:19 AM

#281806 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 85%
Affirm: 15%
Remand: 0%
Settle: 0%

KG ;)

circuitcity

06/21/20 12:31 AM

#281807 RE: rafunrafun #281753

50
50
0
0

Megc

06/21/20 12:46 AM

#281808 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse 60
Affirm 40

Restingzebra

06/21/20 12:55 AM

#281809 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse 70%
Affirm 30%

mrmainstreet

06/21/20 1:31 AM

#281812 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Raf's Appeal poll results. Consensus of the board is 64% chance of reversal, and another 4% of remand, but the medians are 60% and 1%. Looks like folks think the generics have about 30% of winning, and a very small possibility of any settlement:

Reverse Affirm Remand Settle
ORBAPU 100 0 0 0
marzan 100 0 0 0
postes 100 0 0 0
KevGee 85 15 0 0
ilovetech 85 0 15 0
oregonpdx 80 10 5 5
caddie 78 8 7 7
HDG 75 20 5 0
ToddRobert 71 19 7 3
# sleven 70 30 0 0
Value 70 30 0 0
RestingZ 70 30 0 0
million 70 25 5 0
cruffy 70 25 5 0
Raf 70 10 15 5
oneragman 70 5 20 5
bluensleep 65 30 0 5
dukesking 65 25 10 0
Megc 60 40 0 0
xblkbk 60 35 5 0
BioBull 60 35 0 5
Lizaa 60 25 15 0
momoney 60 20 10 10
DKNY 55 45 0 0
juslin 55 40 5 0
Tasty 50 50 0 0
sstyles 50 50 0 0
Montana 50 50 0 0
Kiwi 50 50 0 0
louie 50 50 0 0
circuit 50 50 0 0
jomama 50 48 2 0
otherside 50 45 2.5 2.5
MRM 50 40 10 0
kjones 50 40 0 10
Suppressive 40 50 10 0
LBL 20 29 1 50


Avg 63.9 29.0 4.2 2.9
Median 60.0 30.0 1.0 0.0

Glycol

06/21/20 4:00 AM

#281818 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 60
Affirm: 20
Remand: 10
Settle: 10

alm2

06/21/20 4:13 AM

#281819 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse 100
It’s the only outcome
Alm

Triple88

06/21/20 6:32 AM

#281821 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reversal 40
Affirm 50
Remand 00
Settle 10

Jasbg

06/21/20 6:56 AM

#281823 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse=50
Affirm=50

moonotaur

06/21/20 7:53 AM

#281825 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse 70
Affirm 25
Remand 5
Settle 0

rafunrafun

06/21/20 7:58 AM

#281826 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Participation is mandatory

Holy cow, you guys aren't messing around. Thanks.

Only if I could get my son to listen to me like this!

CaptBeer

06/21/20 8:41 AM

#281834 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse:49%
Affirm:1%
Remand:1%
Settle:49%

Tal10

06/21/20 8:41 AM

#281835 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 70
Remand: 1
Affirm: 28
Settle: 1

HinduKush

06/21/20 8:56 AM

#281838 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse:50%
Affirm30%
Remand:10%
Settle:10%

Bouf

06/21/20 9:10 AM

#281841 RE: rafunrafun #281753

RAF—

50
25
15
10

Babr

06/21/20 9:40 AM

#281847 RE: rafunrafun #281753

RAF
50,30,10,10
Not to rub it in , but I won one of these big event predictions, but I don’t remember which one!

MNBioMike

06/21/20 9:55 AM

#281850 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 45%
Affirm: 45%
Remand: 9%
Settle: 1%

Biobillionair

06/21/20 10:04 AM

#281853 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Before 7-10 Amarin PR’s settlement announcement, Amarin supplies API to H&R August 2029.
0 0 0 100
BB

CaptBeer

06/21/20 10:45 AM

#281871 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Earlier today in Raf’s poll I posted my numbers as follows:

Reverse: 49%
Affirm: 1%
Remand: 1%
Settle: 49%

Some folks have asked me why I chose 49% for settlement. Here’s why:
As I pointed out last week on StockTwits, in a two-part series titled “Dog Finally Catches Car, Now what”? H&DR have latched onto the VASCEPA VHTG indication, but the value of that is extremely limited. They will not have any marketing power for the REDUCE-IT indication. REDUCE-IT is basically a “Poison-Pill” that spoils it for everyone.

APOTEX clearly sees the position that H&DR have placed themselves in by settling with Amarin, thus insuring themselves a place at the head-of-the-line in August 2029, along with TEVA.

Singer’s Brief and his final reply this Friday has & will open their eyes to the fact that in the remote chance of Affirmance (my guess is 1%), they “Caught the car”, but won NOTHING. If they get Reversed, (my guess 49%), they lost everything. If they “Settle”, (my guess 49%), they get a front row seat to the big show in 2029.

A VACATUR and Settlement will deter any other suitors for a generic VASCEPA until 2029.
Cheers, CaptBeer

mrmainstreet

06/21/20 11:03 AM

#281879 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Updated Board poll. Reversal still hovering around 60% based on 50 guesses:

Reverse Affirm Remand Settle
ORBAPU 100 0 0 0
alm 100 0 0 0
marzan 100 0 0 0
postes 100 0 0 0
KevGee 85 15 0 0
ilovetech 85 0 15 0
vtem01 82 3 13 2
oregonpdx 80 10 5 5
caddie 78 8 7 7
HDG 75 20 5 0
ToddRobert 71 19 7 3
# sleven 70 30 0 0
Value 70 30 0 0
RestingZ 70 30 0 0
Tal10 70 28 1 1
moonotaur 70 25 5 0
million 70 25 5 0
cruffy 70 25 5 0
Raf 70 10 15 5
oneragman 70 5 20 5
bluensleep 65 30 0 5
dukesking 65 25 10 0
Megc 60 40 0 0
xblkbk 60 35 5 0
BioBull 60 35 0 5
Lizaa 60 25 15 0
Glycol 60 20 10 10
momoney 60 20 10 10
DKNY 55 45 0 0
juslin 55 40 5 0
Tasty 50 50 0 0
sstyles 50 50 0 0
Montana 50 50 0 0
Kiwi 50 50 0 0
louie 50 50 0 0
jasbg 50 50 0 0
circuit 50 50 0 0
jomama 50 48 2 0
otherside 50 45 2.5 2.5
MRM 50 40 10 0
kjones 50 40 0 10
Babr 50 30 10 10
HinduKush 50 30 10 10
Bouf 50 25 15 10
CaptBeer 49 1 1 49
MNBioMike 45 45 9 1
Triple88 40 50 0 10
Suppressive 40 50 10 0
LBL 20 29 1 50
BioBill 0 0 0 100

Avg 61.6 27.6 4.6 6.2
Median 60.0 29.5 1.5 0.0

urbandk24

06/21/20 1:08 PM

#281904 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 20%
Affirm: 60%
Remand: 20%
Settle: 0%

Hoping for 100% Reverse, of course! Good luck all longs!

Hey Jakey

06/21/20 4:13 PM

#281954 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 55%
Affirm: 25%
Remand: 5%
Settle: 15%

VuBru

06/21/20 5:43 PM

#281979 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Raf - Sorry this is late:
Reverse:40
Affirm:30
Remand:15
Settle: 15

DD222

06/21/20 10:40 PM

#282054 RE: rafunrafun #281753

I posted this survey on Twitter earlier today. It will stay up for 5 days, here’s the results from day 1.

28 votes

61% Reverse
14% Affirm
7% Remand
18% Settle

mrmainstreet

06/21/20 11:53 PM

#282061 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Up to 56 guesses from the Board:

Reverse Affirm Remand Settle
ORBAPU 100 0 0 0
alm 100 0 0 0
marzan 100 0 0 0
postes 100 0 0 0
KevGee 85 15 0 0
ilovetech 85 0 15 0
vtem01 82 3 13 2
oregonpdx 80 10 5 5
caddie 78 8 7 7
HDG 75 20 5 0
ToddRobert 71 19 7 3
# sleven 70 30 0 0
Value 70 30 0 0
RestingZ 70 30 0 0
Tal10 70 28 1 1
moonotaur 70 25 5 0
million 70 25 5 0
cruffy 70 25 5 0
Raf 70 10 15 5
oneragman 70 5 20 5
venus 65 35 0 0
bluensleep 65 30 0 5
dukesking 65 25 10 0
Megc 60 40 0 0
xblkbk 60 35 5 0
BioBull 60 35 0 5
Lizaa 60 25 15 0
Glycol 60 20 10 10
momoney 60 20 10 10
DKNY 55 45 0 0
juslin 55 40 5 0
HeyJakey 55 25 5 15
Tasty 50 50 0 0
sstyles 50 50 0 0
Montana 50 50 0 0
Kiwi 50 50 0 0
louie 50 50 0 0
jasbg 50 50 0 0
circuit 50 50 0 0
jomama 50 48 2 0
otherside 50 45 2.5 2.5
MRM 50 40 10 0
kjones 50 40 0 10
Babr 50 30 10 10
HinduKush 50 30 10 10
Bouf 50 25 15 10
CaptBeer 49 1 1 49
MNBioMike 45 45 9 1
Triple88 40 50 0 10
Suppressive 40 50 10 0
VuBru 40 30 15 15
urband 20 60 20
LBL 20 29 1 50
DD222 5 25 70
Chris 0 0 0 100
BioBill 0 0 0 100

Avg 58.3 27.8 4.9 9.3
Median 60.0 29.5 2.0 0.0

BioBS2012

06/22/20 5:40 AM

#282070 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reversal :80%
Settlement :20%

Mikenac

06/22/20 12:07 PM

#282129 RE: rafunrafun #281753

70, 10,10,10

lizzy241

06/22/20 12:41 PM

#282141 RE: rafunrafun #281753

reverse: 74.5%
affirm: .05%
Remand: 0%
Settle: 25%

Downtownguy

06/22/20 1:49 PM

#282168 RE: rafunrafun #281753

40, 10, 10, 40

DD222

06/22/20 4:23 PM

#282204 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Day 2 Twitter poll results
Total replies 47
Reverse: 62%
Affirm: 13%
Remand: 6%
Settle: 19%

Jb250272

06/23/20 7:49 AM

#282349 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse 60 percent

DirteeHarree

06/24/20 5:13 PM

#282661 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse:65 Affirm:25 Remand:5 Settle:5

Vegas8ball

06/24/20 9:06 PM

#282695 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 25%
Affirm: 40%
Remand: 0%
Settle: 35%

Danouse

06/24/20 11:19 PM

#282714 RE: rafunrafun #281753


Reverse: 30
Affirm: 60
Remand: 0
Settle: 10

massulo52

06/25/20 9:58 AM

#282738 RE: rafunrafun #281753

60
30
5
5

chas1232123

06/25/20 2:03 PM

#282755 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Survey response & remarks:

Reverse: 62% affirm: 30% Remand: 3% Settle: 5%

Caveat about my guess: I don’t have legal expertise so take it for what it’s worth. I believe the evidence clearly shows Amarin to be in the right scientifically and legally, but that doesn’t mean they’ll prevail. Facts, fairness and law seem to provide less reliable protection these days, and they were never completely reliable. Remand seems inappropriate, but I’m reluctant to say anything’s impossible these days. Could seem like a good idea to an appellate judge that’s a fellow traveler with Du. There are sound arguments against settlement, but there also seem to be big potential incentives for it on both sides (no price war etc.). JT has displayed strong risk avoidance in the past (e.g., unexpected money raise), making settlement seem more likely.

The technical note by Curfman, Bhat and others should strongly support the appeal if the judges are unbiased. If it’s not allowed into evidence for some reason, I expect the legal team to probably find a way to make the judges aware of it anyway.

Regarding the “500” issue (generics incorrectly claim 500 adequately represents all severely high TGs, and isn’t much different than 400, which is in the same class as TGs in the 200s, so severely high TGs are similar to moderately high TGs) : Key to this is a common problem of oversimplifying a complex phenomenon. Partitioning something into two categories with a simple threshold is very common (TGs above or below 500 for example), but there are generally problematic issues (grey areas) near the border. Night and day have very different visibility, but there’s little difference between a few minutes before sunset and a few minutes after. It would be absurd to suggest that means there’s no significant visibility difference between night and day. (Mathematically that results from imprecisely modeling a fuzzy set as if it were a crisp set.)

It is scientifically unsound to model the subgroup of the population with TG above 500, who have a wide range of TG levels that can go over 1,000, as if they all had TG levels of 500, and then note that they are similar to those whose TGs are 400, who in turn are arbitrarily lumped in with a group whose average TG level is perhaps 200. That twisted logic can lead to the false implication that a group of people with averge TGs around 200 is comparable to a group with average TGs of 800. (It’s like falsely arguing that fifteen minutes before sunset isn’t that much different than fifteen minutes after, so there’s no significant difference between noon and midnight.) Such reasoning is inconsistent with common sense and logic.

This is one of many reasons Amarin deserves to win its appeal, but that’s no guarantee they will.

I think the market, in typical fashion, over-compensated for the adverse court ruling, and Amarin remains under priced due to chance of winning the appeal, and rest of world and at least small US earnings even if they lose are, in the long run, worth much more than current price even if we lose. If we lose, the dip would be a long-term buy opportunity IMO. I don't expect a BO because, if Amarin's price they would accept went down (as I assume it must have), big pharma's would have too, by at least as much. Amarin is still not desperate IMO and big pharma is hooked on the deep discounts that accompany desperation. They get plenty of opportunity to prey on that.

Hondo1021

06/26/20 10:36 AM

#282910 RE: rafunrafun #281753

50%
20%
20%
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niall75

07/20/20 5:13 PM

#287172 RE: rafunrafun #281753

Reverse: 45%
Affirm: 20%
Remand: 30%
Settle: 5%