Too many variables involved in that idea. What we need is a fully independent test.

Indeed, if this claim(Holcomb's) were true the stock would be valued at thousands of it's current level, at least. The problem is that nobody with scientific literacy could ever accept these claims as they are fundamentally impossible.

Yes, of course it was a legal move to try to shut the case. However such a statement could be quite damaging as it is the same as saying "my product is no use" when all he had to do was double-down and make no such admission, IF IT WORKED. You can bet your bottom dollar time will tell: these things have a habit of slowly fading away rather than coming to an abrupt end. In the case of the "earth engine" the claims became more and more vague over several years and now they say it does not generate energy, it just stores it!! And Inductance Energy still exists under various names such as Quantum Energy or Flooidcx despite having no product over 5 years later. We may have to wait more than a year or two before one of us wins. In the case of the "earth engine" victory for the laws of physics was declared when the investors removed their own videos and subsequently refused to engage further.

As regards the car dealership dispute all i have is that which is in the public domain. Maybe you have further details or maybe you have Holcomb propaganda-- i don't know and i will stick to that which is in the court reports. However do not forget that Holcomb is on record as saying there is no guarantee the system will work to reduce the power bill. That is an utterly bizarre statement from someone who claims to have developed such important tech!!

You won't find those names as there has never been an independent test on the Holcomb stuff, only witness of tests directed by Holcomb. If anyone is claiming a spectacularly important development the first requirement is a truly independent test and this has not been done. Likewise it has never been done on all previous overunity claims, all of which subsequently were debunked. Without an independent test all one has is the words of the inventor and this to me would not be a good basis for a financial transaction and surely falls well short of proper DD. I recommend that you look into the history of Inductance Energy's "earth engine" and how several investors were totally convinced by demos and refused to listen to scientific argument and then it all went south. It is a cautionary tale that shows the absolute need for independent tests.

Africa has long been ripe for development but has been held back, first by colonial exploitation and then by dictators who used many countries' economies as personal bank accounts- this latter problem is still occurring, unfortunately. Yes, Africa could be a "goldmine" but the only worthwhile proposal is the combined cycle gas fired power plant. Holcomb is a non-runner and i wonder why ASTRA has hitched it's wagon to such a hopeless concept? I can only speculate and i don't wish to do so. As far as i can tell "regreen" is just a theoretical idea and has never been proven to be of value. Waste certainly can be processed to produce fuels but it is a messy low yield conversion and invariably produces nasty byproducts and no way can landfill be totally avoided. I predict that you will claim all the downside aspects will be overcome by a magical new process and i won't believe a word of it. Incineration for direct energy production is far superior.

I don't know who you brought with you or his(her) abilities but i know you were fooled. We all, myself no less, can be fooled if the trick is smart enough. However any competent engineer should know that overunity/energy magnification/more out than in are utterly impossible, always has been and always will be. There are hundreds of years of claims for various perpetual motion and free energy schemes and they all have been proven fraudulent. About five and one half years ago we had a similar scam by the name of Inductance Energy's "earth engine" where various investors had gone on site visits and there was no convincing them that the "tech" was impossible- nothing came of it except for lawsuits. Holcomb joins a long list of disreputable characters.

What you say may be true, with one prominent exception, ie that of Holcomb. Holcomb "tech" claims to break the most fundamental law of physics which is the conservation of energy. The conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum are necessary prerequisites for a stable universe, such as the one we inhabit. Anyone claiming to be able to break these laws is either deluded or fraudulent- your choice. Holcomb will bring no good to ASTRA and may do harm. Having put money into these projects it is understandable that one would not want to hear bad news concerning the investment but hiding from the truth is never a good proposal. Ask any professional physicist/engineer about Holcomb, what have you got to lose? You say it works, i say it absolutely cannot work: one of us must be wrong, why not find out the truth now? ask a professional. If our positions were swopped, i certainly would seek expert opinion.

The African jobs are at least realistic, in principle. No guarantee they will succeed but it's possible. Holcomb on the other hand is snake oil with zero possibility of any good outcome.

Please, can we stick to facts. These personal nasty remarks have no place on a forum like this one and reflect badly on the poster. Surely we can all argue these points like gentlemen without scurrilous comments?

Holcomb's stuff "works" to increase one's power bill, not reduce it.

I have no interest in the Kelmar case as that is just a dispute over property/tenancy. The other case is of interest: Holcomb sold a pile of junk to a car dealership intimating that it could reduce the power bill, for $5mil. It failed to do so and actually increased power consumption. Holcomb's defence is that there was no guarantee that it would work and the contract only entailed intellectual property. These are the facts that anyone can read in the court documents and there is no disputing these. Paints a very bad picture of Holcomb whatever way one reads it.

Ashton Forbes!!, a total nutjob. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks they can get any useful information from that source.

Yes, i believe that is the correct technical description.

Indeed, lots of inventors and entrepeneurs were decried before the truth of their work became evident. However Holcomb does not fit into this classification as overunity has been thoroughly debunked on both theoretical grounds and practical experimentation over the course of several hundred years. There are categories of things which are impossible currently but may be possible in the future and there are categories that are inherently impossible, such as the idea of levitating by pulling hard on one's shoelaces. Holcomb fits into the latter category of being inherently, utterly impossible and don't forget that he admitted that there was no guarantee it would work, in the car dealership court case.

These companies still have me confused: I looked up QREE stock and it is designated as "inductance energy" and i had thought that this concept had been quietly dropped! On looking up FLCX stock it is designated as "quantum energy". All rather incestuous if i may use such a word.

I agree with you, there have been dreadful personal comments from both sides. We should all be capable of behaving like gentlemen. As regards your hopes i cannot comment on ASTRA as it is not in my area of competence but i can assure you nothing of value will come from Holcomb and we have this from "the horse's mouth" in case you doubt my words.

Indeed it does not work and can never work, the laws of physics forbid any overunity devices. No amount of technology can overcome this basic fact(not that Holcomb has anything hi-tech as it is just a transformer and any switch mode psu designer could rubbish these claims with ease).

Holcomb has absolutely nothing of value, nada, zilch, diddley squat.

I agree, nasty personal remarks are not appropriate here.

My principle reason for posting here is to uphold proper understanding of the laws of physics and how those laws expressly forbid any overunity devices. I have noticed, however, that Holcomb seems to spend more time as the defendant in multiple litigations than he does promoting his erroneous ideas.

Court cases involve the law of the land which has many nuances and can be changed. On the other hand the laws of physics are immutable and they specifically rule out any overunity, free energy, more out than in, energy magnification etc, etc. As such the Holcomb "tech" has not got a "hope in hell" of working as claimed. All these "too good to be true" schemes come crashing down, eventually.

Thank you, Dorick, for your contribution to uphold the truth.

There are three energy hoaxes on the go at the moment that i am aware of, there could well be more. (1) Holcomb (2) Inductance Energy's earth engine/photon engine, although this has gone very quiet lately and may be finished. (3) AISEG, a Korean outfit that showcased at the cop conference in December '24, another outrageous claim with lots of nonsense words.

None of Holcomb's junk works as claimed.

The facts are that no overunity device has ever worked. If you have evidence to the contrary, show it. If you can't then i assume you have nothing. What i said about nuclear was that it was the last (unexpected) new form of energy source to be discovered and since then nothing new has been found.

You don't know what you saw, how can i comment on it? Without seeing it myself i could not hazard a guess. No matter what power system was in use it was not overunity, of that i am certain.

I would reckon what happened is this: when the inductance energy "earth engine" failed he had to think up some way of keeping the business going and avoid a liquidation--hence this photon energy nonsense.

If you do not believe what pepoil says, check the court records yourself.

Regardless of technical progress no overunity device has ever worked. You are correct that if an unseen source could be fed in then we could have a source of power greater than the nominal input. However no such source has ever been proven to exist with nuclear energy being the last new source found. This idea that empty space or the vacuum is a source is nonsense. Massive amounts of research has been conducted into overunity devices but sadly none have worked and i don't see this changing, ever.

At a quick glance they appear the same and equally daft. If one replaces the reflector on a fitting one loses ~half the illumination so there would be a need for twice the number of fittings for the same illumination with twice the bill. Assuming 20% efficiency on both the lighting and the photovoltaics the absolute maximum return would be 4% if one covered walls, floor and ceiling with the cells. This is absolutely crazy.

Ok, thanks.

Thanks, Dorick, but i am still confused. After the merger/takeover was cancelled i am sure i saw a report stating that quantum was changing it's name to flooid, unless i'm mistaken. Anyway here's a snippet i discovered yesterday: a company in Korea has developed an alternative solar panel that is 20- 200 times more efficient than existing panels(20-200, depending on where you read it). Can you guess what they call the tech? PHOTON ENERGY!! The name is Wavja. That will pull the rug from under Dennis' feet!!

On a completely separate note, i wish all the American posters a happy and safe independence day.

This whole FLCX and QREE arrangement has me confused. Quantum energy corp sometimes poses as FLCX and sometimes as QREE. These two stocks have different price quotes. Can anyone explain?

Yea, this is a common story repeated down through the years when a supposed overunity device fails to deliver. The inventor has not got the moral fibre to admit it does not work and concocts a story of "suppression".

You keep saying you have seen things you do not understand and i am not disputing your experience. If you do not understand what you have seen it could be perfectly normal behaviour that you are misreading as unusual.

There has never been any properly documented overunity tech. Plenty of claims, for sure, but not a single one has ever passed a proper test. They were all promoted by snake oil salesmen just as one sees in financial matters. The world is full of tricksters and scammers, unfortunately. Science does not have all the answers and never will but the current basic laws are rock solid and creating energy out of nothing or "magnifying" energy is utterly and fundamentally impossible.

Not at all, i was simply replying to post #6462. You keep posting this nonsense that the Holcomb gizmo works, are you afraid you are wrong?, you should be.

If you believe the crap that Greer comes out with, that is your problem. Greer has been thoroughly debunked, many times. Anyway there are no secret patents, a patent is a publicly disclosed document. Certain inventions, if they are considered of military/security consequence, can be subject of secrecy controls and this is as it should be. No energy related inventions would be hidden as the security services would have scientists to advise them and those scientists would know that free energy in any way is utterly impossible. This conspiracy theory has been around for a long time and has no basis in fact: it is a common trick that inventors use when their magic device fails a proper test--"men in black or the evil government suppressed it".