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Doc I honestly believe that part of the problem is what I just posted, and you noted on. Even if Charles had some results or big progress that he was able to release, I don't believe he'd release it under ENZC. For 2.5+ years he kept telling us how important the audit & sec reporting were, as well as uplisting, then moving to partnerships. However, then we get the SAGA PR out of the blue and Charles subtlety drops in that ENZC will "continue trading on pinks with no assets or operations." This, after 2.5+ years of leading all of us to believe that we'd see ENZC complete the 2yr audit, go SEC Reporting, uplist, then start announcing partnerships, results, etc.... In addition to what Charles said, we also had Chandra out there tweeting the #Audit #Uplist and everything else.....
Beyond disappointing to say the least. I learned a BIG lesson on this one, and although many disagree, I still believe we have legitimate grounds for CA suit because of it.
Anyway, like I said.... At this point it's a lottery ticket.
Thx..... I'm still here, just haven't been paying too much attention. Checking in one maybe two times per week to see if the worlds longest Groundhog day is over yet, but of course each time I've checked, it appears to still be going on... Truthfully, I'm just holding as a lottery ticket. I don't believe Charles wants to announce anything big under ENZC (likely due to lawsuits, but who knows?), so even if/when SAGA goes away, I'm sure he'll have some other way to separate BGEN (holds the valuable IP we were holding for and led to believe we'd see realized under ENZC after audit & SEC Reporting) from ENZC, so I consider ENZC without BGEN as nothing more than a scratch off lottery ticket... Still possible to hit big, but odds are unlikely...
Guess we'll see at some point....
The fun just never stops here does it. Gotta love beginning the week with pre-market fakedown. I haven't been paying too much attention, but I guess we were due for one. RSI back in upper 30's again now. Guess we'll see how low we go before the next "magical RSI day," where it jumps back up 20+ points on +3-5%.
Just another day in the life of an ENZC shareholder....
Agreed. I think most who have been here through all the #'s & promises, likely just disregard his tweets now. If and/or when just one of those things comes true and ENZC commons see some type of benefit from it (sustained pps increase, etc...), I'll give those tweets more value, but for now, I personally don't give them much attention..... Then again, that's just me...
Dyno the only reason we see those short lived spikes/green days is when the RSI needs padding to continue the pattern. They've been controlling the chart for a very long time now. For example, lets say the RSI drops 30 points over 3 months on a total of 100M in volume. It magically only takes 1-3 days to move up 1.5X that on 1/10th to 1/5th of the volume. It's magical....
If you pull up the chart and look at it for 1.5-2yrs, you can see the pattern easily. Never ends, never changes, and is why I coined this Groundhog Day years ago (people got mad at me for that too...LOL)
2B I'm really not sure. That's why I was saying I wish we had an attorney on here who can see what's happened and/or happening. How we were played. How Charles likely knew that he would be separating the value we were misled to hold for, from ENZC. etc.....
This is not my area of expertise, and I really don't know.
On a separate note.... What a shocker.... Gotta love that opening cliff-drop.... We're dead smack back in the middle of our 2.5-3 year pattern.... They got their RSI padding, and down we go...
Never ends...
I hear ya Doc, but I personally think that us commons are screwed. The main value that we’ve been misled to hold (C3, AI, etc… now owned by BGEN), so we could see and our trading accounts would reflect it true value, is not going to remain under ENZC. I believe Charles will separate it from ENZC at all costs, even if it means selling for lousy $450M to an incompetent, shady, bottom of the barrel SPAC like SAGA.
Like I’ve been saying, I believe we have a legitimate class action. I believe that Charles knew he would be doing this way back when he created BGEN and VIRO, which is how he was able to talk those debt holders into not converting their ENZC shares. However, that didn’t stop him from telling us that ENZC would complete audit, go SEC reporting, uplist, and start BP partnerships and licensing for 2-3 years straight. Then one day drops the SAGA PR and sneaks in there that ENZC will continue on pinks with no assets or operations.
My point being that I very strongly believe that we were intentionally strung along to believe ENZC would be the crown jewel (C3, AI, etc… would remain under ENZC and we’d be audited, SEC reporting, uplist, see results, then partnerships and licensing deals), when all along he knew and planned on putting the valuable IP under BGEN, and planned on selling/separating it from ENZC. True stinky pinky CEO move.
Live and learn. I learned an enormous lesson on this one, but would love to take part in class action if there’s an attorney who take the lead….
Anyway, have a great rest of your Monday as we continue watching the pattern play out. RSI has plenty of padding, so we could see a new 52 week low today and/or this week. Guess we’ll see soon enough…
I think they're doing whatever they can to push pps up to finish dumping and/or converting the rest of those added 900M shares. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I genuinely believe that we have a legitimate class action if there is an attorney who could lead the way. We have been misled every step of the way, lied to, and it hasn't stopped. I know many others disagree, and thats fine, but I call it as I see it.
Have a great rest of your weekend!
Is anyone actually surprised that the pattern continues? They padded the RSI and got it all the way up into the 60's without the pps ever breaking .025. Funny how that always works. Now it's back to 49ish, with plenty of room for the pattern to continue.
PUMA & ASCM locked in at .0199 to ensure we remain below 02 until 8-10 more weeks when it's time to re-pad again.
So Gries & Assoc were retained last Jan, but no audit for 2022-2023. No SEC Reporting. No Uplist Just more hearsay & guessing from shareholders, and silence from Charles & Co.
I believe it does. I could be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge both 3 & 7 are held under BGEN, which is and/or will be SAGA, not ENZC. That's why several of us have been so frustrated with this. Clone 3 & AI were the crown jewels that many were holding ENZC for. We were led to believed that we'd see their true value realized under ENZC, after the audit, SEC Reporting, & Uplist. However, Charles pulled a 180 and/or bait & switch with the first PR he dropped about the SAGA deal. In that PR (after 2.5+ years of telling us how important the audit, uplist, SEC reporting were, as well as how much shareholders meant to him) he snuck in very nonchalantly that ENZC would continue on pinks with no assets or operations.
I would love to be wrong and see some kind of miracle/rabbit out of a hat, but my faith and trust in Charles as it pertains to us commons is all but gone. I think he wanted the value that we were all told to hold for, separated from ENZC at all costs, which is how we ended up with bottom of the barrel incompetent SAGA. Charles & Co will make out nicely if deal goes through, but I'm not so sure about us commons, especially smaller commons and those who purchased at a much higher price...
Anyway, like I said, there is nothing that would make my day more than being wrong and seeing a miracle instead, but just not holding my breath for that.
Well put. Truthfully I never wanted the SAGA deal to go through, and have expressed my thoughts on that numerous times. I feel that we commons were getting screwed with that deal. Unfortunately, I don't believe Charles will give up on, because I'm convinced his intention was to separate the valuable IP that we were all misled to hold for and eventually see the true value realized under ENZC (with all of our ENZC shares), but when that 1st SAGA PR was dropped out of nowhere stating a complete 180 from we had been told for 2.5+ years, I lost faith and respect in Charles. Especially the way he snuck in that "ENZC will continue trading on pinks."
My point being that for 2.5+ years we were all told and misled to believe the following:
1. 2yr audit was priority for Charles and team,
2. Once 2yr audit complete, they would go SEC reporting & Uplist,
3. Once fully SEC Reporting & Uplisted, they would develop real partnerships & licensing deals with BP, which they hinted they were already in talks with.
4. Charles said no RS (Others disagree, but I still view the SAGA deal as a hidden RS, because majority of IP value is under BGEN, which would be SAGA and not ENZC)
5. No updates on C3, test results we were promised years ago, and Charles constantly telling us that taking care of his shareholders was a priority.
Beginning in Jan 2022, the most obvious & illegal pps control and manipulation began with VIRT+OTCX/OTCN. Then again in April/May of 2023, and not once was it addressed by the company. MM's are there to facilitate orders and make a market. What VIRT + OTCN/X did, was sync up their algos to control and prevent the pps from moving up, without buying or selling. They used their algos to control the lowest ask and highest bid, but never actually bought or sold, and they were literally synced up to the millisecond. This may be a lot of things, but making a market is not one of them.
Like many others, I'm hoping for some kind of miracle and/or rabbit out of hat, but I've genuinely lost faith & trust in Charles. Needless to say, I lost faith & trust in Chandra (not his skills or as a doctor, but in what he says publicly to shareholders. #Uplist #Yachts #Partnerships etc...etc...etc....)
Anyway, still hoping for that miracle and waiting to see what happens, but I 100% do not want the SAGA deal. I'd much rather see what we were led to believe for 2.5-3 years (BGEN+VIRO remain under ENZC umbrella, SEC Reporting, Uplist, Licensing deals, show positive results that BP can't resist from being part of/funding, etc...) One can still pray and wish.....
Thanks CK. I was just checking in. I like to see us moving up, but personally just based on our history, I'm not convinced that it's not just the part of our pattern where they re-pad the RSI so they can start over again. I'd also like to see ASCM gone.
With that said, if we continue moving up with a down day here and there, I'd view it a little better and/or as consolidation vs repeat of pattern.
I guess time will tell....
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to Everyone! (Can't even remember if I already wished that to everyone or not, so just in case I didn't,...)
LOL... I can't see his posts or replies. Added to my "special" list long ago....
I haven't been paying much attention here lately, but noticed that we're back in the .02's. Can anyone give me the short version of what's going on? Are we still waiting on SAGA deal? Is SAGA deal dead? Is there anything driving this, or with the RSI magically back in the mid 60's so fast, are we just seeing the normal pattern?
FYI, I'm genuinely asking and not being sarcastic (really have not been paying any attention to this over the past week or so).....
I agree. The way this was done destroyed a lot of the confidence/faith people had in Charles & Co, but when you mislead your shareholders for 2.5-3 years having them believe that ENZC will be audited, go SEC Reporting, Uplist, get partnerships, etc..., then release a PR where you sneak in that ENZC will continue trading on pinks with no assets or operations, that's about as shady as it gets. Speaks volumes.
I've never liked this SAGA deal, but I think Charles would've done anything in his power to separate the value we were misled to hold for (BGEN) from ENZC. Shady doesn't even begin to describe it, but I still think commons get screwed with the SAGA deal.
I would guess they'd go back to SAGA, but that's just a guess rockie.
LOL.... MAGA hasn't been paying too much attention. He would be hoping for the best, but likely say that the RSI was in the low 20's and needed some padding before they could get back to more conversions and/or dilution and/or what we've grown to know as a "normal day at ENZC." RSI now in the 40's, so I guess we'll see what happens next.
Still hoping for some kind of miracle here, but my feelings haven't changed. I don't like the SAGA deal. I feel like Charles just wanted to separate the true value (BGEN), which we were all misled to believe would be realized under ENZC after audit, SEC Reporting, & Uplist (good thing none of us were holding our breath on these), away from ENZC. The supposed SAGA div that we're getting has just gotten smaller and smaller since original announcement, and I personally believe Charles could care less about commons. I know many disagree and that's ok.
If I had to guess, I'd say we'll be lucky to close over .012 today, because the RSI has plenty of room again. Just need to wait and see.... Hope I'm wrong and we see that miracle, but history would suggest otherwise...
So, yesterday we're taken down 7%, and RSI only drops a point. Today, we're up 7%, and RSI jumps 4 points. Funny how that always seems to work that way with ENZC... This thing is beyond oversold, and they need some more RSI padding.....
I don't have a clue. If it follows the usual pattern, we can expect to cliff-drop on the chart as we near end of day. The chart below shows a good example of what we've seen at the end of trading days, especially as of lately. I am very curious to see Q4 fins and what our true OS is at the end of 23. OTCM was updated yesterday, and shows we still have another 727M shares in conversions and/or dilution to go, so unfortunately I still think the worst is coming. Hard to believe, but Charles didn't add those additional 900M just to do it. At the time he added them, most of us still had faith in him and that he was would actually remain true to what he led us to believe about taking care of shareholders, so we thought (at least I did) that they could/would be used for undisclosed future partner. However, then he pulled a complete 180 and we were hit with SAGA PR where Charles very gently snuck in that "ENZC would continue on pinks," which was the complete opposite of what he led us to believe for 2.5-3 years.
Anyway, I genuinely don't know 2b. I'm just guessing based on what's been going on....
Don’t know that I will Rockie. We’ll see how low Charles and Chandra allow the conversions/dilution to drive us before breaking the silence and giving us some kind of clear, non-cryptic, and factual update on WTF is going on. However, not holding my breath on that….
Agree 100% and Merry Christmas + Happy New Year to you, and all on here too!!!
Down another 7% today on 25M shares traded, after a small green teaser most of the day, but yet the RSI only drops 1 point. It truly is amazing how that works....
11% down on 20M traded, but the RSI has dropped less than 2 points today? Gotta love it....
Agreed. The main value that most of us have been holding for and misled to hold for are owned by BGEN (C3 & AI). If BGEN was sold to SAGA, I would think that SAGA then owns tech, IP, licenses, etc..., since they own BGEN. But truthfully, who knows? That's just how I see it.
BGEN is apparently the golden ticket that holds the tech/IP/Value that we were waiting to see fully realized under ENZC, but it appears to me that Charles was willing to do just about anything to separate that tech/IP/Value (BGEN) from ENZC at all costs. Likely because of the lawsuits, non-stop conversions/dilution, etc...., but that's just a guess. However, I do believe he was hell-bent on getting it away from ENZC at all costs, while at the same time telling us how important the audit was to get finished, then SEC Reporting, then uplisting, then partnerships, etc... End result being a complete 180 from what we were being told for 2.5-3+ years.
And I love how we're down another 10% on 10M in volume, but the RSI has dropped less than 2 points. If we went up 10% (i know that's a big "if", the RSI would've magically jumped 20+ points). Unreal how this has been controlled for as long as it has.
Honestly, an accurate and truthful update from Charles would go a long way's right now, but his silence continues as all of the shareholders who stood by them for the past 3+ years are getting destroyed. For me, the fact that he can't be bothered to update us speaks volumes about what he truly thinks of us. It is unbelievable where we're trading at right now, and even more unbelievable that he wanted to separate the value (the value we were all misled into holding for) from ENZC so bad, that this is where we're at.
What a disappointment this has become. I feel like such a sucker for actually believing the non-stop misleading garbage fed to us by Charles & Chandra. Days away from 2024 and we're almost under a penny? Unbelievable to say the least.
RSI currently in 20's, and about to be in teens, so may see another teaser that magically adds 20-30 points of RSI padding.
Yup, it truly is unbelievable what's happened here and just how badly commons are paying the price. Nothing but silence from Charles, and just more BS fluff from Chandra about how they "sympathize" with shareholders. What a joke! This BS has gone on for 3 years now, and we've been misled every step of the way.
As much as you and I would both love to see them out of this deal, I don't see Charles backing out. I believe he's doing everything he possibly can to separate the value (the value they misled all of us into holding for) from ENZC, and will do anything, even this ridiculous deal with a shady bottom of the barrel co. like SAGA, to make that happen. He want's BGEN & VIRO out from under the ENZC umbrella by any means necessary, and unfortunately this BS SAGA deal is what he sees as his best option.
However, that's just my 2 cent's, but I'm confident that he wants them separated from ENZC by any means necessary, as they continue to destroy commons with non-stop conversions/dilution. I guess if I were given 2.5M shares of new co valued at $10+, the destruction of ENZC pps wouldn't bother me as much either. However, us lonely second-tier commons didn't get 2.5m shares of SAGA, so I do care about the non-stop destruction of ENZC pps.....
Days away from 2024 and were in the .013's? If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.
Lastly and on a somewhat separate note, as I tried to tell everyone the other day when we started the day moving up to .017-.018ish, it was nothing more than the typical RSI padding, so they could continue with conversions/dilution. One of the days prior to that, we were taken down > 20%, yet the RSI only dropped roughly 5 points. Then in the days following it magically gains all of it's padding back, moves back into the mid-40's, and Wash-Rinse-Repeat. Now in the .013's, RSI around 23, and between the conversions, dilution, ASCM shorting, and continued silence of CC, this is getting out of hand.
We also have ASCM back shorting it, which is definitely part of that pattern…
I doubt it. They just need to pad the rsi again, then back to more conversions/dilution…. RSI was in low 20’s, so they needed padding to continue. I’m not on my computer, so can’t see where it’s at now, but I’m betting on another RSI-Padding-Teaser…. We’ll see soon enough…
Premarket fakedown right off the bat. Close at 045 yesterday and open today with highest ask at014…. Never ends!
I honestly cannot believe where this pps is, and Charles still cannot be bothered to break silence. I guess their too busy converting (diluting) us to death! This is just unreal! 013's? Seriously????
Wow! Down another F-ing 20%, with 13M+ in volume, and RSI drops only 6 points? Gotta love it. Had we moved up 20%, we would've seen that RSI jump up 30+ points.
Let me correct that for you Rockie: "He just doesn't care about commons. He views us as second-tier dirty penny players, and nothing more."
At least that is how it looks to me.....
Wow.... 016's, and still silence from Charles. Another BS fluff tweet from Chandra, but that's not worth time it takes to read it. 18 days away from 2024, and no audit, no SEC Reporting, no partnerships, no #yachts, nothing on Clone 3, and trading in 016s because they're killing us with conversions and dilution....
It truly is Unbelievable!
Thanks Charles for misleading us for 2.5-3 years straight, only to end up here. There are no words to accurately describe my appreciation (sarcasm).....
Wow, and still nothing but silence from Charles. What a shocker!
LOL... Im genuinely very curious if it's true or not. If True, then the value we've all been holding for (BGEN) is back under ENZC.
Wow.... Trading at .018 and they've still managed to keep the RSI above 30. Gotta love it.
On a separate note, did I read a post that said the SAGA deal is dead? Is that true or just here say/opinion?