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Yes i was referring to the hopes that the promoters and their victims have for this company management to change for the better. THAT will never happen. The main reason being having no real business to support the change. And secondly i don't think these guys like giving in general, they'll take from banks, investors, anywhere they can get i'm sure.
Return has been -98% from the top, almost 100% dilution this year and -75% in share price.
But hey, the fruit trees will change everything and the management will change! =D
"Growth story" $18 -> $0,20 =D
"Learn, adapt, and evolve" that role is for the share holders. LEARN from the value loss, dilution and betrayed promises. ADAPT and stop believing their reports, books and promises. EVOLVE and sell when you have the chance for exit.
The company management has shown they will not learn, adapt and evolve. They have a scam only, they can only make up stories and always will fall short when it comes to proving.
Omg you really invested for pension? This is a scam. You will not get yearly dividends from this, guarantee. Go check yanshen forum, then go have a look of random otc agriculture section stocks from China. 10 of them. You will find that 9 of them trades at less than $0.01. These are typically scams and Siaf certainly is no exception. its down 98% already, proven scam.
Scams don't have trading divisions. There's internet marketing division right here and that's it.
Exactly like this forum and Siaf!
There's lots of similar OTC China stocks with heavy dilution history at $0,001-$0,0001. Most commonly in tax free agricultural section. They do seem to sell these kinds of things until ridiculous shareprices.
It's a dilution scam. It doesn't go bankrupt, because there's hardly any expenses. No workers etc. They just need to print more at lower prices and of course it goes dry at some point. That's why they set up "TRW" to try to create higher fake value and get a "second life" in dilution.
It will not succeed in HK of course, so they tried to get some use for the scam and tried to push up Siaf share (so they can dilute Siaf with better price) but luckily MOST people are not so stupid that they'd believe and Siaf didn't jump that much. And luckily authorities intervened.
But you got to admit Mr. Pseudonym promotes the company just the way they want: no matter what losses or misconduct, he will promote. He would always find something positive to speculate, maybe a great satellite image expansion of the company would follow? I think he has invented couple of triggers himself, that's Siaf/TRW board material certainly! Megadeals i believe were Mr. Pseudonyms own creations, maybe the company could bring those into following Q-reports with him on the board? And promise better non-binding dividend policy, maybe change it into "premium dilution" in real life, but hey it's almost the same! =D
Same guys marketing similar scam as Siaf. This is very suspicious...
Same agenda.
How's your investment?
Double account for sure LOL.
No dividends, no megaloan, no megafarm, no buy-backs, no TRW dividend...
All these were just used to lift the share price artificially so they can sell shares more profitably.
They have been VERY consistent in betraying all their promises, it is scamming 101.
Why some people still don't get it? How much beating does it take to snap out from the internet promoters lies?
No evidence of customers, harvests, claimed past profits...
Never buying shares themselves even at 98,5% discount to the book value.
Which of course tells the book values are completely imagination and a total scam.
They don't have the money. Whole "dividend policy" was an obnoxious misuse of the policy to manipulate share price up. And they misused that up to the fullest by printing 20 million shares and sold them. So instead giving to shareholders they effectively stole from shareholders with better margin after the "announcement".
For honest companies dividend policy is a long time plan what kind of percent (range) they will be paying out from their profits or cash flow as dividend.
Siaf announced fixed $ amounts while having no money, no clue of future finances and ABUSED the policy by doing the opposite of giving out dividend meaning diluting.
They should be sued or at least punished severely by the markets they are listed in.
It is just one more chapter in their history of dishonesty and scamming.
Fact=$0,24 includes 1/3 TRW as well.
Unfortunately the real life real value does not allow the claimed businesses, assets and profits to be real.
Market does not believe them and the company management does not believe them since they dilute at 1,5% of the book value and never buy.
Total belief in suspect's incoherent and unbelievable and consistently undelivered stories year after year while disregarding all real life accumulating massive evidence for this being a total scam is very very bad police work.
He took 75%+ of your investment value this year with dilution. From over $1 share price to $0,24 now. Dilution with stupid excuses artificially created with the Siaf/TRW scam twins.
Now that he has taken 75 cents you'd be happy he gives back 5 cents?
Well, i doubt he will give even that back, it's not his nature.
They printed 20M shares after their share price manipulating "dividend policy" announcement.
What do you think, can it be that they have put away money from that dilution and they will be capable for one time dividend?
I doubt it, what's your thoughts?
Locations that Solly has never been to. Locations that don't say Siaf or TRW on the wall. Locations that produce no cash flow for Siaf share holders. Dilution and value loss have proven that a thousand times already.
It is also the track record of many guys in here. RD, Ks, Handla etc, no ability to learn or adjust or admit anything. Just ignoring real world, past experience and promoting this no matter what. Very difficult to understand that behavior.
The management prints and sells shares and make money out of nothing, out of a scam. The true idiots are the promoters, fooled ones are the buyers and the printers are the winners in this one. They are not the idiots.
And they printed and sold 20M shares after divi "announcement". Diluting is pretty much the opposite of dividend.
Totally shockingly dishonest.
Other companies don't manipulate share price with misleading announcements. Dividends should be announced when the money is there to pay it.
It was already time with Q3 report to give exact date and stop BS. But no. These guys are the kings of BS and market treats them accordingly.
Stop misleading, share price manipulation and perform instead vague promises and utter BS and the market will respect you.
My hunch is no dividend at all but next year they push themselves to finance with dilution 2-3 cents dividend once. That will the last "trigger" for this share and hopefully by the end of 2019 this is a sub penny stock.
You already have a total disaster...
But of course still far from 0,0001 stuff. I give my final warning to everyone. Sell while you still get something. Next dilution wave will be too much, share count will get too high for meaningful dilution based dividends. At $0,10 and below they will dilute huge amounts to get some meaningful income. When couple of million shares hit the market in one day and that happens on a few consecutive days it's over.
My answer was more relevant than your question.
3 weeks no dilution is amazingly good performance for Siaf. =D
Making Siaf dilute at 1,5% of book value is money that is 50-times more expensive than money from the bank.
Not that these loans ever happened in real life, but just an example how absurd these things they claim are.
TRW that claims making profits 4x the whole Siaf market value needs money and doesn't go to bank but destroys another company with dilution paid loaning and Siaf willingly wants to do it. Absurd.
TRW doesn't pay dividends and doesn't pay back loans. Sounds like there is no money in TRW. Haven't seen them with harvests or clients which makes me think perhaps the reason why there seems to be no money is related to the thing that there seems to be no business either....
No it is not positive. They need to SELL like 30% and give that 200 million to shareholders as a $4 dividend. Sounds unrealistic?
Yes it is unrealistic because the assets are the core of the scam, they don't exist for Siaf shareholders.
You will get absolutely NOTHING as a share holder of SIaf from this "leasing" they claim.
You got to start learning about this -99% 100% dilution scam. Things will not change.
*1000 euros bet* I won no dividend. Next bet: anyone who wants to bet that there will be no dilution in 2018 by Siaf i take your bet for 1000 euros. I say there will be dilution.
Once again we will see the truth and separate scam marketers from honest people giving real investing advice.
The "company" has always been dead. it was just built on fake reports and JV crap they have now part of. ALL real life evidence supports this. Just like these things they have not delivered. This company has no income apart from share sales. They are not stupid, careless or reckless not delivering They don't deliver because they have nothing It's a scam without underlying real business.
I once thought there might be something that is real but there's absolutely nothing it's been proven by now.
Using dividend policy for share price manipulation. Why there is no consequenses? Siaf reported EPS 0,09 of course we all know it's BS and not true but why authorities don't interfere with these guys making all these claims and now with the EPS it should be paid right away.
But they can just go on with these lies and internet promoters promote their lies misleading investors.
Amazing.
They will continue to dilute, it's their only business.
They laid out dividend plan and betrayed share holders and the market already.
Why you still want to believe in this obvious scam?
NO DIVIDEND, it's a scam. Once again i predict right because i'm honest unlike the internet scam promoters. Handla at least had the balls to put his money where his mouth is. Thank you for Christmas bonus.
It's all BS to give internet promoters big numbers. Same with loans from Siaf to TRW for example. This money/loan/services have never happened. They are just meant to give an illusion big things happen there. In reality nothing happens hence the reality we see.
But they make internet promoters speculate here this and that and your dream lives that this company can pay you dividend or create investor value because these "deals" happen.
NO. Nothing happens in real life.
They can not create any value.
These are just lies to keep you talking this Siaf/TRW/CA pseudoscience language that is totally detached from reality.
These companies have no business and they are broke.
These things are just diversions to make people think money moves between these broke scam companies and also to serve as an excuse for dilution.
Total utter BS.
Really? They can't print anymore? What do you mean after new issuance, sounds like same old printing to me..?
Zero you know what's going on in China, all I know is what I put together from circumstantial evidence here based on their actions and we get the same result.
If it looks like a fish, and smells like a fish.. ...it's a fish.
And this catch we have here is the mighty Guangdong river UGLYBIGFATLIESCAMFISH that smells awful! =D
I wanted to see it played OUT.
And I mean some 18 months ago when i looked into this and realized it must be a scam. It was about $3 then.
Now I want to see how the GRANDE FINALE plays out.
There's no business, new management won't help.
It's a busted scam.
Are you like RD's secondary accounts most of you? I can't believe there's so many people that don't recognize an obvious scam. And it's not new this is -98% already, almost 100% dilution this year, everything is clear. I understand someone selling this for financial reasons but this is ridiculous that you don't get a simple Chinese scam... Mind boggling..
You don't DECIDE dividends, you earn them.
They already once "decided" "dividend policy" without having the money.
You can decide true dividend policy in advance which is the approximate % of profits they plan to give out as dividends.
But Siaf only abused this policy, they announced fixed $ amounts without even having the money. And they did it with non binding policy, not real payout plan with dates. Disgusting stuff really, illegal for sure. Policy that looked like real dividend plan = scamming.
Anyway, if they had done real dividend policy with % of net profits it would apply now and what you see on the last line would indicate how much dividend to expect.
But the sad truth is there is no real business income, no profits and therefore dividend policy was only used for share price manipulation, not for real info to share holders what to expect in real life.
Sad stuff really.
There's massive amount of evidence this being a scam.
The basic concept of a scam is to take something worthless and claim it has huge value and then tell someone you can get it very cheap. Very simple idea applies from gypsies selling "golden" rings on the street to corporate scams. Sounds familiar with this P/B 0,01 company?
The share price plummeting and dilution increase is BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL UNDERLYING BUSINESS. We don't see customers or harvests and they get toxic loans and have no bank relations BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL UNDERLYING BUSINESS. They can't sell assets, they can't streamline the business, they fail to deliver cash to shareholders BECAUSE IT'S ALL FAKE STUFF. The CEO goes to Sweden to lure meatball investors instead visiting all different businesses and locations and customers BECAUSE IT'S ALL FAKE STUFF.
But hey they CLAIM and REPORT there is huge value, then they don't buy themselves never ever but they print and sell more shares at 1% book value for this because they are so nice!
So very basic scam concept here. Chinese company in agricultural section which is tax free and thus loosely monitored. Post reverse-split. Come on.
How much red flags, abnormalities, dilution and value loss you need to start believing the real world instead of silly speculations here and their reports?