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The longer one is in the market...the more one realizes many if not most stocks ARE manipulated...So one has to look at the underlying VALUE to ride out the manipulation and take advantage when the manipulators decide its time to take profits...
Reuters read...best info in a long time...I believe what it says and
THAT makes it a buy...The other way to look at it is its being set up for a reverse split...AGAIN!
What form did the $25MM and $30MM take? All cash? Cash and Stock? Stock? Stock Options? Anybody Know?
Does anyone know what form the $25 mil was in that was given to the CEO? Was it all Cash..Cash and Stock...All stock..All Options on stock? This might have a bearing on future activity...If he received all cash...Id say look out it was a payoff and something is about to happen. If it was stock and/or stock and options or stock and cash...makes me believe they want him to have an incentive to keep it going.
Ya Know....The way about 80% of the people in our government are "working" today...I put nothing past an FDIC Regulator..a Banker...a government approval agency and others to cut a deal that lines their pockets too...I mean how do people with nothing when they become a government "servant"..in a few short years become millionaires? What a fat cow WAMU was to munch on for that purpose...
Dont know who said it...but the FDIC screwing up big time in the sale to JPM and now having to delay the process until THEY can cover their tracks is realistic to me. I dealt with those shysters in the 80's and know how they operate. Also agree with Lodas...this cake has to bake...The potential is there just depends on who runs it....They can do VERY VERY well...or...they can screw it up...time will tell..
What would earnings have been without the one time write down?
The reason Im here for the long haul is I believe the big guys have the inside on this...They are invested like us...As long as they are in...I am in...Just gets frustrating at times with no real solid info coming out when we know SOMEONE knows where that pony in the pile is located...
Seems to me...this thing has been a setup from the beginning. NOONE knows who's on first...Attorneys sucking on the carcass for fees as long as there is skin on the bones..supposed "leaders" sandbagging so they can keep getting stock awards...but the biggest scam to me is there is noone on the inside that knows anything of value OR if they do..this has got to be the quietest best kept secret ever!!! You'd think SOMEONE would have the inside track and let it out?? Strange this is the way it is after 10
YEARS? The only other thing I can think of is that Sheila Baird got her (cant say it) in a ringer by giving away the farm to our friend at JP and the FDIC is pickled because they screwed this up royally and figure if they delay it long enough it will go away because all the assets of value will have been delpeted through their malfeasance and attorneys gobbling millions in fees. And dont think these guys arent capable of plying that game!!
So.....1) if there is no payment coming to Escrows...(assuming that is the case)....Where will all the billions go? 2) Also...Why then are all the lead elephants STILL in the herd waiting for a payout on Escrows? 3) Those big guys know the inside scoop and don't have millions invested waiting for zero return right? I think they would have bailed long ago if that was the case.
Seems the price is STiLl being manipulated...Any thoughts on when it will become a free market stock?
Pretty soon we are going to be at $1.32...You know...before the 12:1 split...
So how does the brokerage house know where to put CASH if that is the form of payment? Into your brokerage account Cash Account I guess?
So lets assume there is approximately $40 mil coming to Marker Holders....Would that mean whatever is paid is paid via CASH? Stock? What? I know its a dribble but at this stage even a dribble is something that may lead to bigger things as it gets settled further.
I get the RS and what it does to our value....But it also does the same thing to the value of shares held by the rats RIGHT? So what am I missing> If Im a big guy...I DONT like losing money..I just think they are putting something together bigger than what we can imagine and this is positioning them to be able to accomplish it. Like Lodas said...follow the elephants..they know where the watering hole is...
Bloomberg Article is a stretch in my opinion...There are the super rich and those that might become rich agree...But to link it to the WAMU story...just a stretch of the imagination nothing more...Pure speculation
Somebody knows something...Why isnt price going up on this volume? Strange how that works...More Bids than Ask...Bids 2:1 Ask...I agree with Lodas...follow the elephants ..They know where the watering hole is...
All I know is...the big guys are hanging in there..FOR SOME REASON...When they bail..I bail...Until then keep the powder dry...I cant help but think Jamie Dimon is in this somewhere sometime...
How many Billions in mortgage loan servicing comes to NSM via WMIH ??
Im sure glad my other stuff is doing well.....WMIH is being controlled...With the volume at 5 mil plus daily...price not going anywhere...Has to break out soon...I think KKR is the culorit right now holding the price at a buck and 35...
WHO on this board has been proven right the most times? With all this brainpower it is strange to me that we dont have ANY inside information...or maybe someone does but doesnt share it. Whatever happens...as long as the big boys are in...I will be in...I cant imagine having 5-10 million shares if something and letting it ride without a payoff coming....THEY dont like to lose money...Period
Seems to me the price manipulation is designed to keep the SP down so there will not be as much disruption when a R/S takes place...
Have a clarification question...AZ talks about "knowing what you own"....and original WAMU shares in various categories..(P's, Q's, K's etc),,,I bought both P's and Q's AFTER the 2008 take over when shares were going for .20 cents etc...I signed proper releases in 2012...I have "markers for P's and Q's in excrow......Am I "IN" so to speak? I think so but just want to verify...and KNOW what I own...Anyone can comment. Thanks.
fwh3334zeke...YES those are the Cusips I have....Identical...Thats what I was posting about
Hey thanks to the two or three who responded with the information on Cusips...Helps me understand a little better what is going on...Its been a long wait and our hopes have been dashed a couple of times...Finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel...Yes we released and all is well there..just didnt understand why our numbers didnt show up on the Deutche Bank listing...Looking forward like everyone here...GLTA
So when I check the list for my Cusip #'s I dont find any that match what TD Ameritrade has mine listed as...Ive been advised to contact Corporate Actions Group at TD to find out what is what regarding the listing from Deutche Bank vs what TD is showing...Anyone have any insight here?
If I went through the list looking at Cusip #'s but didnt find one's related to the Cusip #'s I have for P's and Q's....Does that mean Im not included in the payout? Or did I just miss the numbers I have? Anyone comment?
Interesting that Nationstar CEO winds up running WMIH...Nationstar has 4 Board Members and WMIH has 3....Who bought who???
It amazes me that for all these years NOONE has access to ANY inside information....and if they do....they are not letting it out. You would think with so many being involved SOMEONE would leak something....So Ive concluded one of two things is going on...Something MUST be so big they dont dare let it out with so many big players involved...or there just is no there there....and those playing the game are just sucking the assets away as long as they can get away with it...
All I hear is a very large sucking sound for superfluous "Services Rendered"....There is Management in place...DO THEY DO ANYTHING??????Amazing...absolutely amazing
Im beginning to think the game plan is to drive the PPS down to about .30 and then make an offer to take it private at a $1.00...
What happened to the SEC Notice about keeping the share value at a $1.00 or be delisted?
I apologize if Im behind on any of this...
So the theory is they (the HF guys) would make an offer to take it private...for say around $4 B plus or minus....Once that is done...(removing equity) THEY reap the rewards of everything thats left over...So they keep the price at a buck to make it less costly...Kinda like a Jamie Diamond deal with the FDIC..But he only paid $1.9 B....Kinda like being in a rubber life raft in the ocean and the sharks are circling in the water.... They already own the ocean.....
Do not agree with the way this board handles their responsibilities but have to agree with the fact that they keep giving themselves stock and wouldnt do so unless they thought there would be a big payoff.
Me thinks we have a BOD sitting around in short pants sucking their thumbs watching Disney cartoons all day...Wait... Disney cartoons are too sophisticated for them...
On the conference call tomorrow....Is ANYONE going to ask ANY penetrating questions? Or do they control it in such a way that no answers are ever provided? It seems to me a BOD has a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to their share holders...but maybe that isn't the case here....
The Board loves those shares...all they have to do is go to $2+ and theyll be happy....But I think they KNOW its going to be better than that....
Price drop purposeful....to reduce impact of dilution...IMHO
Is there ANYONE on this posting board who is a part of or a member of the Equity Committee? Does the Equity Committee meet with anyone of value who has information once in awhile or regularly? If not why not? Is there anyone on this posting board who was a part of the original Equity Committee and if so did it just disband without any further involvement? What is current status of the Equity Committee? If the Equity Committee negotiated the deal on Escrow Shares/formula for payout, who did they negotiate that with? Court? FDiC? Who? Are those people still around? Who are they..where are they?
Seems very strange to me that we all have a part of "something" as an owner of "something" yet we have NO ONE in the know...Who's driving the bus?
Someone HAS to know where the bus is going? Don't they? SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE THE PLAN SOMEWHERE...WHO MIGHT THAT BE? I DONT THINK OUR BRILLIANT BOARD OF DIRECTORS KNOWS SQUAT!! THEY APPEAR TO BE NOTHING BUT PUPPETS...IS IT KKR? ONE OF THE HEDGIES? JPM? WHO"S DRIVING THE BUS...SEEMS TO ME WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THAT INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP IS? WHEN WE KNOW THAT....THEN WE'LL KNOW HOW TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT WILL LESSEN THE SPECULATION
UNTIL WE KNOW THAT....EVERYTHING... IS A CRAP SHOOT...AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
Seems to me per LG post about the September 30,2017 share list by MAJOR investors...that if WMIH is a sham.... WHY would these guys be hanging around? I tell you...if I had 3-5 million shares of something...Id be damn sure of it or Id have bailed long ago.
Could it be....the reason we are seeing the slipping share value is due to the "magic makers" wanting to lessen the impact of dilution when they add 3.5 million shares? Or is it 3.5 Billion shares? Whatever....
I think its interesting that for all these years we have no incite into WHO is running the show...I sense the Courts don't know except for what they have before them at the time; all of the large investment houses MAY know something but you'd think with 144 of them there would be SOME leaked information....sometime; the Management/Directorate MAY know something but based on what I've seen they are dunces for someone else and being paid to just sit there and play dumb. Puzzles me why so many knowledgeable and financially sophisticated gurus don't know anything....and yet they have millions invested. Is this how it works? Is it a total crap shoot? Or is there someone behind door #3 who is going to open that door soon and we will all be surprised...lol Now, the real question is: Will that surprise be a pleasant one...or...will we have taken the wrong pills from a trusted Pharmacist who turned out to be color blind?