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To be clearer ... we are not comparing the decimal fraction .2 with the decimal fraction .17 here. We are comparing the integer 2 with the integer 17.
The "." in the version number is only being used as a delimiter, to separate the 4 integers.
The numbering system is moving forward, with 17 being greater than 2.
rjc
In software development, there is an accepted standard, that each new release of a given program be given a new, higher, and unique version number. The format is generally: integer integer integer integer, with each of the 4 integers being separated by a dot (a “.”) … the same separator that is used in some parts of internet addresses. This dot delimiter placed between the integers is NOT used as a decimal indicator. Not all numbered versions are released. Some are “frozen” as fall back positions as development continues.
Although iFinix has been using this system, the successive changes in release number have not been published until this weekend, when release 1.0.0.17 was made available for a short period of time. Previously ALL releases that we have worked with have been identified as release 1.0.0.2
Adding a CURRENT release number, displayed in the “About” window, is one of the updates that were incorporated into version 1.0.0.17
Discussion on this board indicates that version 1.0.0.17 is no longer being offered because of some technical issues, so the “new” version that was available this morning was only "new", in that it replaced the weekend version. I note that it is identified with the earlier (lower) release number of 1.0.0.2
I am expecting that the next release will incorporate at least some of the features that were described this weekend, and that it will have a release number of 1.0.0.18 or higher.
rjc
savalas13 I am the moderator here, and I have not removed (even temporarily) any of your posts.
You said “And I will be contacting the admins here as they instructed me to when my posts are erased on this or the inxr board.”
Please read the iBox above where it says “If we start to drift, I will address it … but I’m a lousy negotiator, so I’ll probably just delete offending posts, and if that doesn’t work , ban the perpetrator from posting (if I can). Don’t expect a reply to a “Why did you delete my post” post, if the answer is covered here.”
There is other relevant information in the iBox that should be read too.
If anyone is confused by version numbers, that IS worth discussing.
rjc
As far as I know, detail on individual trades is available only through the TOS window, or through the TOS View in the Offer Book window. That’s where I would prefer to see the detail though, so it’s not an issue for me.
The set up of the scrolling ticker is described to some extent in the unauthorized USER (pre)MANUAL (see iBox for link), and will presumably also be covered in the help system that will be part of the next RealTime release.
rjc
You didn’t mention which link you used to reinstall.
I used http://www.ifinix.com/ifinixrealtime/ (from the iBox above) to install release 1.0.0.17
I waited a very long time until it completed.
I closed down all programs and I rebooted my system
I restarted the already installed 1.0.0.17 by connecting to http://www.ifinix.com/iFinixRealTime/iFinixRealTimeStart.application
If you did something different, then try the above. If you did the same, then I guess you might be stuck until Monday.
Call Customer support if it won’t start for you on Monday.
I don't think that they expected us to be trying to run it yet, and they may still be setting things up. Perhaps the “Application cannot be started." message is there on purpose.
rjc
A new version of the iFinix RealTime Platform became available on the weekend.
It now includes a current Release number, Release notes, and a Help system.
In addition, the release notes tell us that this release will:
- connect to multiple servers
- save and load settings along with the workspace
- incorporate a historical Time Of Sales display
For some detail on the new version, including a way to preview what’s in it, start at post
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=22700950
and work on forward to the end.
Thanks to y0 for first noticing its availability.
rjc
It loads at normal speed (and without a system slowdown), when done as I described doing it.
rjc
Thanks y0 That works fine.
I guess I need a coffee.
rjc
I have seen the same problems, but there is a (partial?) fix that I have discovered.
First, I sent the following to the Problem Support’s after-hours mailbox (available through the normal chat window link).
“I tried to start my RealTime at 4:12 pm (ET) on Sat Sep 8 and got the message “Application cannot be started. Contact application vendor.” I clicked on “Details” and got a lot of information of limited value, but the key line was “THE DEPLOYMENT IDENTITY DOES NOT MATCH THE SUBSCRIPTION”). This problem continues.”
After downloading the new 1.0.0.17 version as suggested by others here earlier (through the iBox link above … and it did take about 10 or 15 minutes to load, but I think that waiting it out was the right thing to do), my machine was also acting like I was driving through mud. I then backed out of everything and rebooted my machine.
With a fresh start, my normal startup procedure for RealTime (desktop shortcut icon) once again brought the “Application cannot be started” message, so I tried the direct approach by opening the
http://www.ifinix.com/iFinixRealTime/iFinixRealTimeStart.application site
which was mentioned in the “Details” after getting the “Application cannot be started.” message.
This did start RealTime successfully, and this time I don’t see the slowdown that I did before.
The ticker symbols all show as “Invalid Symbols”, which just means that we don’t currently have access to the list of valid symbols on their system.
To those that have seen the new Help system … how do I get to it? I can’t seem to find it. Has it been removed since you saw it earlier?
One note on Help systems … sometimes they are written to include future features that are not yet available. I don’t think that we will know for sure just how extensive the 1.0.0.17 changes are until Monday.
rjc
It was posted early this year that iFinix had a setback a couple of years ago, when they were mishandled by earlier financiers who executed a dump of their shares, and iFinix never got the funds from the equity that was raised. The company subsequently diluted in 2006 to survive.
As it takes a while to recognize criminal activity, to build a case, and to bring it to trial; I suspect that this 2006 problem is what is being mentioned in the article(s) currently under discussion.
rjc
The price per share has not yet hit .0002 today … but it did on the last 2 trading days as follows:
Total $ value of INXR shares traded at .0002 on Fri Aug 31 … $50
Total $ value of INXR shares traded at .0002 on Tue Sep 4 .… $50
rjc
I have 4 Offer Book windows, 4 TOS windows, 1 Quote Page window, and 1 Message window running. All seem fine to me. The volume for the Pinks (in the "Quote Bar" summary) is still double the amount traded, but individual volumes in the TOS view and window seem correct. Other than that, accuracy and speed seem fine.
The stocks that showed "invalid symbol" last Friday are working correctly today too.
I have not been shutting down and restarting my system though.
rjc
Today's problem was with what iFinix was receiving in their data feed.
The Level II depth problem has now been resolved.
rjc
I contacted Customer support
rjc: I am getting CHYS (Pink) as an "Invalid symbol". It was working earlier this morning.
Jeff: Good morning rjc I am Jeff. I am glad to help you with that.
Jeff: Please hold on while I give you the required information
Jeff: rjc, it is due to server feed problem. I will report the issue to the technical person.
rjc: Thanks. It is also happening to some other Pinks (but not all).
Jeff: Pink are facing some problems now. It will be OK in a while.
rjc: Ok
INXR works for me, but the other 2 don't (like you have seen). You should report this to Online support (Live Chat) at http://tinyurl.com/2nubqu
Let us know what they say.
rjc
The Depth on the Order Book seems to update with change. Until some MM changes his position, we might not see an update. Big movers like MSFT and GOOG were frozen on the Offer Book this morning too, but as soon as it was fixed their activity caused them to jump back into action immediately. That’s when I reported “It's starting up again now.” Other Pinks (through changes in bid/ask) are back to normal too.
rjc
It's starting up again now.
rjc
There is currently a problem with the data feed provider. The bid/ask on the Offer Book "Quote Bar" is working though. Currently .0003 / .0004
rjc
Hi Lou
In general, the functionality of the platform is quite good … like lots of user-selectable display options, that once set, turn into defaults for future RealTime windows opened (this one wasn’t there at the beginning). It also has great speed. Many of the earlier big irritants (for me) have disappeared, and the only big issue left seems to be with the to-date volume data for the Pinks.
There are still many lower level things to be fixed, and some of them might get fixed in the next release. I have been sending notes to the customer support people on the problems that I see, as I see them. With my notes, and those from other users, they should have a pretty good feel both for what needs to be looked at, and perhaps the level of concern that is held for each of the items.
I don’t talk to the programmers themselves, but if my name is attached to the notes that Customer Support passes along to them, they probably know it by now.
At one point, a fresh release of the program was expected for the end of last week, with another for the end of this week. It appears that there were reasons to delay last week’s new version. The official info from Customer Support is now something like “we don’t have any information on that”.
rjc
Here's my note to Customer support. I'll let you know if I get anything further on it.
rjc: The Offer Book for INXR showed double actual volume (nothing new here) until 12:15 Eastern time today, as did other Pink stocks that I looked at. From 12:15 on, the INXR window showed the correct volume as traded before 12:15 (34,558,592), plus double the volume of the trades from 12:15 and on.
At least one other Pink that I follow is still doubling the volume.
Am I seeing some selective testing on the INXR feed, or is all Pink source data being treated the same (which would indicate a problem with the data that iFinix is receiving)?
Jeff: Good afternoon rjc I am Jeff. I am glad to help you with that.
Jeff: Please give me a moment to review your question.
Jeff: We will forward this issue to our supervisor.
rjc: Thanks
To me, that represents the correct volume as traded before 12:15 (34,558,592), plus double the volume of the trades from 12:15 and on ... which is the rule that I gave you you earlier.
rjc
Hmmmm. It sounds like the problem might not be how iFinix is handling the data, but with problems with the Pink data source that they are working from.
I will ask.
rjc
More volume stuff
Until shortly before 12:15 today, the INXR Offer book showed double the correct volume (as we have seen for a long time now).
I caught this picture a short time ago of the INXR Offer Book. It shows the correct volume as traded before 12:15 (34,558,592), plus double the volume of the trades from 12:15 and on. This isn’t happening on other Pink stocks that I have displayed. The others still show double the volume.
The later trades, (after I took this shot) are following the same rule. It looks like iFinix are still doing some volume testing, but only with the INXR data.
rjc
I have looked, and the volume totals do not support your conjecture. For further discussion on wash trading, I suggest that it might be done on a different board.
rjc
Hi savalas13. Now that you have a copy, you might want to check out the “IFinix Trading Platform Technical Board” at:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=9841
For a basic overview of how the RealTime Platform works, follow the link in the iBox to “The unauthorized USER (pre)MANUAL”
rjc
Odds and ends on the Volume totals:
As you are aware, the volume traded through the day (for the Pinks) is currently reported as the sum of the trading done before market open, plus twice the actual volume traded during the trading day.
This was happening today too, but when I checked my screen about 2 hours after market close (y0’s suggestion), I saw, as he suggested, that the volumes were reported correctly at that time for a collection of Pink, OTC:BB, and NASDAQ stocks that I kept running through the day. It appears that the volumes are all either corrected at the end of the day, or that the volume totals are taken from a different source at that time.
There were some other interesting volume things going on today too.
One item of interest … qtipjoe reported seeing a double entry for his 800000 share purchase at $0.0004 at 13:36 today. His purchase can be seen in this screen shot that I made on my machine, (but only as a single entry).
I also had a stand-alone TOS window running. The TOS window has some features that the TOS View in the Offer Book window doesn’t have. Here’s the matching (but with a slightly different time range) stand-alone TOS window …
The extra information here is the TOS Reference Number (only available, and optionally, through the standalone TOS screen). Here we see Joe’s trade with Ref. # of 77, with the preceding and following different trades with Ref. #s of 76 and 78. These numbers don’t come from the exchange, but are assigned by iFinix sequentially, for tracking, as they receive the data from the exchange.
Joe was also using the TOS window, and provided me with the following shot of what he saw.
Sure enough, there near the bottom is the double entry that Joe was describing.
Joe didn’t have the Ref. # turned on, but the trades before and after his double are the same as mine, so we know that if he did have the Ref. # field turned on, then both of his trade entries would have had the Ref. # of 77, as there are no missing numbers. I have seen doubles like this before, but have never understood them until now. We must be looking at a timing issue where my machine added the Ref # 77 transaction in a “normal” way, but Joe’s grabbed the data just at one of the quite rare moments that caused the data to be sent to Joe twice (but only once to people that didn’t hit one of those timing issues). This didn’t affect Joe’s volume totals (or the iFinix totals), as totals are only accumulated once for each unique Ref #. The only issue is in the user’s display, and with the availability of the Ref. # display, it can be seen directly if a pair of similar entries are two separate trades, or just an accidental repeat of one trade. This is a bug, and should be fixed, but it isn’t really causing any harm.
One more interesting bit …
At about the time that Joe did his trade (between 13:30 and 13:40 Eastern Time), the volume display (both Joe’s, and mine, and everyone else’s) reset to the CORRECT volume traded for the day to that point. Well it wasn’t quite correct. The value shown was based on the correct value, but with a few hundred share wrinkle attached. It’s the thought that counts though, so we’ll call it the correct volume for now. The volume displayed at 13:30 was double the actual volume. The “fix” happened sometime in the next 10 minutes. Unfortunately, the volume additions of the trades after the accumulated daily volume was corrected each kept getting doubled, so the day’s volume count increased from that point on by double each subsequent trade. These following (doubled) trade volumes were added to the correct volume, that was set at some point between 13:30 and 13:40.
It looks to me like iFinix was doing some testing of a solution for the double volume Pink totals today, and interestingly, Joe’s trade happened during the 10 minute window that I was able to establish that contained the correction to the daily volume to date.
rjc
I'm sure glad that you saw it too ... I thought that I was the only one that had seen it. It happened between 13:30 and 13:40 Eastern Time ... 4 hours into the trading day.
I'm currently putting together a post on it (I've got a bit of an analysis), but I might not get the post out until tomorrow.
rjc
Only showed up once on my system Joe. See post 75168
rjc
Current L2
Good observation. I'll note some volumes at close, then I'll let things run for a few hours after close, make my observation, then turn the system off and on again and have another look.
rjc
I have never let the system run for several hours after close and so have not seen the volume display at this time. I will let it run today and see what happens.
rjc
ThinkpadX60 Your Volume (correctly) shows half the volume that my display shows for INXR today. When was your last update to the program?
rjc
stockster5, at the end of the iFinix Brochure at the iFinix site
http://www.ifinix.com/public/media/ifinix.pdf
it says:
Hardware PC Specifications
Minimum Recommended
Processor 100 MHz PII 233MHz
Ram 16 MB 32 MB
Modem 28kbps 56kbps
Monitor 14" 17"
Monitor Resolution 640 x 480 800 x 600
OS Windows 95 or Windows NT
Browser Netscape 7.0
Internet Explorer
booger, I have seen that problem too, so I sent them a note today as well, as follows:
rjc: With my decimals set to 4, some stocks that trade in full cents can have something show up in the last 2 decimals that “gets stuck” there (as shown in the TOS). I can see successive trades at 0.6250 0.6350 0.6150 when the trades were really at 0.6200 0.6300 0.6100
The display will correct itself if I set the decimals to 2, and then back to 4, but subsequent trades still (incorrectly) show up with the 5 in the 3rd position. The 5 is just an example. It could just as easily have displayed 0.6173 with the 0.0073 repeating on subsequent trades.
Steven: Good Afternoon rjc. This is Steven and I am glad to help you with that.
Steven: We are aware of this issue and our Engineers are currently working on the same.
rjc: Thanks.
In addition (in a different session this morning, and on a different issue), I asked about when we should expect the next program update.
rjc: When is the next update expected?
Brian: we don't have any information regarding this issue.
The answer is reasonable. With software development, there is no way to know how long it will take to solve any given “interesting” problem until it is solved.
rjc
As the moderator of this board, I should be easy to access on a private basis; but unfortunately, although I can receive Private Messages through iHub, I cannot send any as I am one of the “free” members.
For those wishing to contact me, and looking for a response, I am available as rjc2827 through email at yahoo.com
I prefer not to link the 2 email parts together here with the “at” sign, as it make it too easy to have my email address added to spam lists by automated systems.
rjc
Hmmmm. So if they pull this one off, it's a nice feature that would be added, rather than a deficiency being rectified.
The nice thing is that Customer Support has stated (at least to me) that it is on their "to do" list; although they have never offered me a time frame.
Very nice. Thanks.
rjc
Hi Little Canuck. Any time that you start up the Platform, the system will first check your system’s version of the program against the then current version at their website. If theirs is fresher than yours, the newer version will be downloaded to you automatically, and then continue to start up your system without you doing anything more that entering your password. Even the password thing is done automatically on subsequent startups without you needing to enter it again (usually).
The current downside to exiting during the day, then restarting, is that your Time of Sales history accumulated to that point in the day will disappear, and your TOS info will start again from scratch. As this is one of the problems that they are aware of, there’s always the possibility that this limitation will disappear in the next update.
Go ahead and start up your system in the morning (most updates have been before market open). If the update comes later in the day, or if it is delayed to next week, then someone will probably mention it here, and you can exit and restart when it does show up (if you wish) to start using the newer version.
rjc
From Customer Support ... program update expected by tomorrow (Friday) morning. No details on what the changes are.
rjc
I couldn't find RSNH, but the others are all on the Pink Sheets. Interesting. This suggests that there was some ongoing testing going on at the time of your observations, and that it was working during their tests.
Thanks
rjc
Are you currently a subscriber to the iFinix RealTime Platform?
Can you tell what stocks you saw the correct volumes on yesterday?
rjc