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I resent being called a basher. I have have been watching this board for many years and have enjoyed reading the discussions and viewpoints. And I have been a long for a long time. All I am trying to do is communicate the fact (not opinion) that the only salient piece of information (who owns the company) is getting lost in the shuffle. But as I do with my clients, I can only state my case cogently. I too will wait and see. There will always be opportunities to buy. But there many not always be opportunities to sell. GLTA.
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People, people....no one disputes that this space, and NEOM, are taking off. What many of us are saying is the the common shareholder has no seat on the rocketship. Why commandeer 52% of the voting rights if there were good news for shareholders coming? Why would management think we wouldn't support good news? Why do they have to shut us up? And how can our being silenced possibly be good for us?
And the buyers are just not there. I tried to unload 500K shares today. The ask was .0066; the bid was .0065. Today I decided not to budge off the ask. I only got a partial fill. Those 500K shares were worth $3300 at the ask; $3250 at the bid. The hottest thing on the planet and there's no one, anywhere, who will let loose of $50 more than they planned to control a half million shares? What is wrong with that scenario???
So many on the board here are well-intentioned, prescient about this technology, and loyal. You don't deserve to have this happen to you. But how can you get past the fact that with only 48% of the vote, it isn't YOUR company anymore, no matter how successful? I can't shake that truth.
But I hope I'm wrong since so many are still going like lambs the slaughter...
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I think I misspoke..it was indeed the BID price that I set my limit order for (purposely did it "backwards" as a test, since the difference was negligible in dollars). The first group took about 15 minutes to move (limit .0064--I believe the bid/ask range was .0063/.0066 during this time); the second group was a partial fill at limit .0068--couldn't watch this group closely as I was working. My impression only was that it sat for a long time, and if someone was hungry for shares, it shouldn't have. The price differential was just not that great to quibble over......
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Correction, I TRIED to sell 1/3 of my shares. Only managed to unload 1/4. Even though I came in at the ask, no one wanted them. If I were making a colossal mistake in selling, and my shares were like loose fruit being shaken from a tree, why wasn't someone there to snap them up?
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I too have tried hard to see some positive/beneficial angle here. But the arrogance of the 8-K astounds me. So, however phenomenal this technology is, and however large a sea change it will create (and I truly believe it will large), YA seems to hold ALL the cards now. I'm not a market guru or an accounting wiz but with 52% ownership, how could it be otherwise??
So, after years of patience and belief, I've sold 1/3 of my position. I will probably try to sell another 1/3 in the next few days. And then I will hold the rest, waiting for justice to triumph, one way or another. If this takes off and shareholders are allowed to participate, I will share in my just desserts. And, if this implodes, I will share in the shareholder action that will certainly occur.
That's not a bad strategy for those interested in protecting THEIR interests, instead of YA's......
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It isn't anyone's right to give up my rights. And I am willing to stand up to anyone who tries. I couldn't concur more with these posts.
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Good article on Channel partner relationships from my files.
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http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18834080;jsessionid=442UIEHXZU5TTQE1GHRSKHWATMY32JVN
I'll tell you what the real cost is. For me, it's not the money (although this loss is not frivolous to me). However, loss of faith in our system is far more damaging.
This isn't a matter of "shareholder error"--buying dear and selling cheap. Or taking a bet on a go-nowhere technology. This is a matter of being manipulated, cheated, and stolen from. This is a PUBLIC company. That means we, as shareholders, have certain expected and stated rights. Once those rights are ignored, and nothing is done about it, how can we ever participate in the system ever again? (And not just with penny stocks! What about Enron? And the great bank/insurance companies that had record profits on the backs of American taxpayers?)
I don't have a grasp of the legal maneuvers at play. But I do have a grasp of right and wrong. I stand by the conviction that success should not need to be predicated on being a predator. And America cannot survive if we allow these maneuvers to perpetuate.
I'm really beginning to get ticked off at people who care only about money, in "enforcers" who don't or won't take charge, and in shareholders/taxpayers who go meekly into the night. Enough already.
So I will speak out, and loudly, to whomever will listen. I stand by ready to help where I can.
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Did the .0008 or the .02 come first? I'm not sure I trust my technicals in sub-penny land, but it the H came first, I would be seeing a break in a 10-year (!) trendline... Does anyone know which was earlier? My minute interval data shows they happened in the same minute--is this possible?
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Same Trident Microsoft Tag ad in today's (Sunday) Los Angeles Times--also full page, full color. Pricey.
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SOG: Good link. This is exactly what I see coming too, except I would reverse the social/mobile emphasis. I see social media as a contributor to the mobile channel but somewhat dangerous(brands can't control social marketing, and brands like to control perceptions). And so far, social media have been proven difficult to monetarize. But there is no doubt that advertisers and their agencies are grappling with all of these issues right now, which means the consumer is not far behind.
How ironic. If this transition from old media to new doesn't happen soon, I will need to reinvent myself yet again in marketing and learn all the new stuff, which I've already done each decade for the last 30 years. (I swore I'd get out of the marketing business when I budgeted Facebook or Twitter as a medium. Well, I just placed my first Facebook client ad last week.)
For this transition, which has indeed been coming for 5 years, I decided to INVEST in the new media instead of learn them. So, hurry up NEOM and the rest of the new media/media convergence revolution! I'm getting too old for this...
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It wasn't a formal recommendation. They are actually pushing QuickMark for iPhones: "For iPhone, we have found the $1.99 QuickMark app to work best, and starting today, we're partnering with QuickMark to offer the app for free for the first 40,000 downloads." But publicity from Google still reaches many eyes.
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CTIA had a commercial on 60 Minutes last night. Don't recollect them advertising to the consumer before. Likely part of overall plan to raise general public awareness of mobile potential.
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That's significant news. Commercial printers open up so many more print channels including direct mail. That means more newspaper and magazine trials, more outdoor (poster)tests, more in-store flyers and brochures and more direct mail. Soon TV too. The infrastructure is forming.
Yes, it is taking FOREVER but you can't rush the market. I think land lines slowed the U.S. down on cell phone adoption. Europe and Asia HAD to adopt cell phones faster because they couldn't grow those land lines. Cell phones are finally ubiquitous in the U.S. And 2D barcodes are likely to be right behind them. We are building it and they will come....
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Hmmm...My system had buy signals on 2/18 and 3/13--very close to your dates. I also got a buy signal on 9/29. And although I don't see it yet, I do see a nascent formation that could be confirmed by the end of next week. Since I don't trust my technical signal reliability when it comes to penny stocks, I hesitate to report my NEOM signals.(I did share my belief that buying into NSR as well would be a good strategy, and shared my entry signal back in May--19.28-- so far up over 20%.) It bears noting when a number of diverse systems point in the same direction.
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Just who do you think will be calling? NEOM isn't going to be dealing with mom and pop retailers. Large companies go through their ad agencies which already have a direct line to Neustar. NEOM, for the most part, will be invisible to the general public.
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BC: I was in Asia this year and loved this. You don't even have to take the card out of your pocket or purse. You just need to pass yourself in front of the reader. It's great. Too many years spent putting tokens in turnstiles in NY subways and waiting on line to get them. (The cards are refillable in time/$ increments when they expire.) Terrific technology.
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It's just the company that provided the data, that's all. They could be located anywhere. No significance at all to NEOM.
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They are merely footnotes noting the source of the info.
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2D codes will need to be ubiquitous before NEOM can really take off. Still in very early stage of the adoption cycle. Most people in U.S. have no knowledge of these AT ALL. The air we're breathing on this board is rarefied...so how could the PPS take off yet?
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JCDecaux controls much of airport advertising across the nation (both static and digital). Not sure all markets, but many.
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Most will take you to a private site, as FutureGuy noted. Buy people are beginning to see them on everything. That makes a consumer version easier to adopt...
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Colgate already has these codes (along with regular barcodes) on their Softsoap antibacterial hand soap. And I just saw it on ACT dental rinse (a Chattem product). Take a walk down the drugstore aisles....they are everywhere.
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Now, now...just because I don't understand Japanese, doesn't mean what people are saying in Japanese is nonsense. I have a made a small fortune using technical analysis only. I can buy blind with complete confidence without a shred of fundamental information, including the company's name. The problem is not with the school, but with the students. They're not studying the right things. But on such a bright and sunny day, why pick a fight? I agree, that particular chart reading was pure rubbish :)
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Congratulations everyone! I can't wait to meet you all in Vegas. (Heck, I've spent more time with all of you over the last 5 years than I have with my family.) I will be one of those people who will be selling soon to get my original investment back since it's much more fun to play with "their" money rather than mine. A suggestion to newbies: set your sell signals ahead of time, and take money out along the way. The old saying "Bulls win, Bears win, but Hogs get slaughtered" is all too true. I once rode Navisite up to $14 a share and then lost it all because I didn't know how to take profits. A hard lesson learned. You can ALWAYS get back in.... FWIW. But meanwhile, let's all savor this extraordinary moment and pat ourselves on the back for seeing the future before anyone else did!
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NEOM can take our money but it cannot away the extraordinary sense of community on this board. It is hard to believe we will be ending the story without Dr. Mike. May he rest in peace.
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Dip also shows up on TradeStation charts. (Looks just like IHub)
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Thank you, but I'm not gone yet. I will wait for the right time. No reason to panic. And I will still be following, albeit with a smaller holding. Of course, all bets are off if my trust is somehow restored...it's just that another fishing line jerk up isn't going to be enough to restore it anymore.
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I'm done. I had the same feeling back in late August 2008 when I turned to my husband and said "The Feds don't know what they're doing, I'm outta here." I sold most of my stocks a few weeks before everything tanked.
Same feeling here, except my epiphany came this morning. I've been listening carefully and reading past board comments, mulling over the lack of licensing deals, the dilution, etc. I really need to hear from the company. Their avoidance of a shareholder's meeting is both illegal and disrespectful and, as such, has become a fairly large thorn in my side. And the excuse that a meeting is unaffordable is insulting to my intelligence. I can handle losing money--but I can't handle the overwhelming distrust I am feeling.
And I certainly don't trust YA. I do believe we have become their personal piggy bank. I am inclined to agree there has been significant "skirting" or even breaking of legal requirements along the way.
Sorry, I will not be one to refrain from selling. I will be selling for a small profit when I hit a target that I believe will be hit again soon. You'll know when that is--a few million shares will hit the "tape."
I will keep my profit riding (a small amount of money that I am willing to lose. After 4 years, I would want to participate in some small way if this thing ever comes to fruition.) But I will take out my fairly sizeable initial investment capital to apply to other, more trustworthy firms.
I have been investing for many years and am typically patient with both my investments and their management. But without trust there is nothing. Yet another valuable thing this company has squandered.
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My data show daily gap still open. High .0124, subsequent Low .0125. Gap not filled.(Per Trade Station data). What data are you looking at?
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The idea of "not a proper" or "not a real" press release is contrary to the concept of what a press release tries to do. It is simply a way to get the word out without resorting to paid advertising. When posted on a website it enters the mainstream through search engines.
A client of mine happens to be participating in an event on Monday. The PR agency posted a press release on its (the agency's) website on Friday. Today, I was searching for directions to the event venue and up popped the PR.
What makes that "not proper"? It is free and it finds its way to the masses. A PR doesn't need to be disseminated by a magazine or newspaper anymore. (In fact, those provide far more limited dissemination these days than the Internet.)
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Indeed, that is another possibility. The bottom line is the issue may turn out to be moot and a logical reason will surface. Hope your timetable is more accurate than mine.
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Was looking for a way to respond to Claw's "why is now NOT the time?" comment regarding pressing legal issues (e.g. no SHM). Claw is right: No SHM seems such a foolish transgression and citing "no money for a SHM" as a reason is downright insulting to shareholders.
But yet, I kept wanting to tell Claw that now is not the time to deal with this because our society is on the verge of something huge that NEOM is certainly a part of.
Your post, Hangdog, has helped me reconcile the contradiction of why NEOM is making such a stupid corporate decision and angering shareholders when there's so much at stake. I can only net out that NEOM as it exists now will not be around much longer (merger or acquisition likely) and therefore they don't really care if they follow the rules. They are busy preparing for the tsunami.
Hangdog, you are so right in stating that a new industry is being birthed. You, as a small businessman, are trying to unravel how to use all these new technologies.
I'm one of the "experts" who clients are paying to figure out how to do all this. My marketing/advertising business of 30 years is being turned on its ear by social networks, requests for mobile ad creation and tracking, the disappearance of traditional media and communication vehicles, the clogged Internet, do-it-yourselfers with a Mac (no offense, Hangman),and clients whose budgets have been slashed so much by this economy that they have idolized "cheap" phone/Internet-based delivery systems as their only salvation.
But no one really knows how to measure, monetize or use half of these things yet. Those who understand how it works don't understand how to market (anyone can "make an ad"--skill only enters the picture if you want the ad to work). Then there's pricing and infrastructure decisions, just as you have discovered Hangdog.
So your post, in combination with Claw's, has enabled me give this thing another 3 months to see what develops. How foolish, though, for NEOM not to set a date in the future for a SHM, even if it never will take place.
Just the ramblings of someone with unusual time on my hands today since the market is closed. All MHO.
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My tea leaves say if .012 holds as a bottom now, we will pass .018 in short order (less than 30 days). I know that's not very impressive to everyone who's looking for 1000% increase, but, in my book, 20% in 30 days (from .015 to .018) is a very good start. (On 5/11, I bought Neustar at 19.28--it is already up close to 20% in a month and a half. In a stock market that averages 8% ANNUALLY over the long haul, 20% in a MONTH or two is a "Madoffian" return!)
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That's what I like, Personalizit, an open mind.
I am working on a new product introduction right now. This is a simple, household product. We finally have gotten it named, trademarked, labeled, formulated, produced, bottled, shipped, through customs and legal, and into limited distribution in SF and So Cal. And that's just the product. I haven't even gotten into the work involved in developing ad campaigns, PR approaches, displays, and product placements. It is now year 5 and we're still "piloting." And this is just one little product, not a whole new industry (I cannot stress the latter point enough).
But don't let reality influence your opinion...
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"Pilot" should not be said with scorn. It is a necessary step in effecting a successful marketing rollout. The bigger the rollout, the more necessary and more numerous the pilots. That is, if you want to get things right. It's like testing a Broadway show in New Haven. You give yourself a chance to get the glitches out and determine how everything works in the REAL world without over-exposing yourself prematurely to the WHOLE world.
And it takes many months to formulate an ad campaign, especially for a new product, and more especially for a new industry! Heck, I do a simple campaign launch every January (for an established product with no surprises) and we start planning in September.
"Overnight" successes (like VCRs or like cell phones) all take a great deal of time to cultivate to prepare the market for their sweeping adoptions.
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NSR and NEOM are linked at the hip...as I have said... This is good info.
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When NEOM was at .019, I had a target of .028 but it only got as far as .024 and crashed and burned. That was the end of that. My system works best with stocks priced above 3 cents...any lower, and by the time I see the move, it's over.So instead, I'm looking to NSR for a sense of what we can expect. I got a buy signal in NSR a couple weeks back and got in at 19.28. Am looking to take that to 28.39. I believe NEOM's star is hitched to NSR and they will move in tandem, so that's how I'm using my TA for this one. Hope this helps,
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Movieguy: I'm a marketer and run an ad agency. You are spot on. At this point, if we can't source and count the leads, we're just not interested. And we want to be able to target to redheads who buy salad on alternate Tuesdays (the desire to customize messages is strong). Anyone who can give me a way to customize a message and then count and source the leads that message generates gets my full attention...
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Probably...but I'm right there along with you. Picked up another 100K today too. If you haven't read "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" by Charles Mackay, you should. Sure feels like we NEOM investors should be worth a mention in the next edition!
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