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STOP SIGN out again..Nice work Mullen.. Put the pipe down and do the reporting for once.
Product is still NOT available on Amazon. Maybe just another broken promise. Lost count of the things that were started and never completed, at this point easier to count what he has said he would do = 0.
Stop Sign is up again at OTC Markets. Molen must be too busy to hiding from investors to do the reports.
Selling at .0004. You would think that the BIG Amazon sales should keep this higher. But you have to have product before you can sell. Molen, always does the deals first and then flakes on delivery. Big RS Coming before June. How many times can this go on?
Molen stays in business by selling paper. Look at the last financials. For every $1 in sales he had $10 in overhead expense. If no one bought his worthless paper, then he would likely go on to his next scam. This scam $VGPR has really played out. NO?
Molen should do a 150,000-1 reverse split this time (Last year 300-1 plus 500-1 = 150,000 to 1). It may last a few months before back to .000X. and make no mistake, even .0001 is WAY overpriced on this stock.
Molen sells on news…always!
For all of the new people here, Molen always sells on news. That is the only reason that there is a news release, so he can dump more worthless paper. Just pointing out history.
Yield Sign is up Again. Molen must be too busy selling shares to do anything else.
Today was nothing more than Molen dumping shares. Selling shares is the only way he stays in business. He makes more money selling shares then bio-char-soil helper whatever. His product changes back and forth all the time; one day it is a fuel, the next day it is a soil enhancer for Pot. Both uses have several fake tests/results and Massive invisible contracts from companies that don’t exist or are the same pump and dump type’s.
I hope whoever bought today can sell them before the patented Molen 99% loss of value kicks in. Maybe next reverse split should be 1 to 50,000. That way, the share price could take more than a year to get back to triple 000’s.
Molen is having a great year, so far all he has done is fill out bids, that went nowhere. He also had a great time with his “grower” friends at the pot convention at stockholder’s expense. Too bad Vega was not a vendor at the show, but that was for legitimate business only.
News! Molen’s son, has just announced that they have broken ground on their new Pot store in Alaska. If this is anything like any of the first 3 Molen “breaking ground”, chances are excellent that it is just pictures of someone else breaking ground. Likely a nearby septic tank replacement of a neighbor.
Molen’s son is Probably the only customer that VGPR has. Not much interest in a product with no real usage in the MJ growing. It is not a fertilizer but a soil conditioner? I guess when you are growing low grade ditch weed that is ok. But there are no serious growers that would add this crap product to the soil without research and/or testing of how it will interact with other actual proven products or fertilizers.
To follow the progress here is the link…..
https://www.turnagainherbco.com/strains
This “Molen Thing” has been going on for years. You can't stop him. It's fascinating and sad at the same time. It is like for every 1 dollar in product sales, he must sell $3 in stock to stay in business. But the 99% loss per year has held steady thru the years. This is a pretty much guaranteed loss of money for anyone holding long.
But this could turn around with this next “fake” bio-plant he has planned. Maybe the fourth attempt is the charm. At the end of the day, The first three all ended in nothing but stockholders loss.
This should be in .000X before the end of summer.
Just an opinion, please do your own DD.
The STOP sign again on VGPR? Come on Molen, file the reports on time and this will not happen. I hope this next news release will be more than “I sold my son some MJ fertilizer” .
That is a great find Kmax. Molen just being Molen yet again, and this time he includes his son. More smoke, mirrors and half-truths, just like always.
But the good news is Molen can now travel to Alaska to see his son as a company expense, because he is a “customer”. It is funny that the business permit for AK Provisions Corporation is registered as “MOBILE FOOD SERVICES”. Google maps of any address listed are empty fields. But, all of Molens orders come from companies that have no address, just…General Delivery. That has been a constant for years, look up the address of the 50,000 tons per year client from years past…yup! empty field.
I am still trying to figure out what Molen is doing when general expenses are over $20k per month, year in and year out. That is a lot for a company that has no physical address, no employees and per the balance sheet even lack a computer or even a typewriter.
But it is good to see the stock price at or around a .01, it only took a couple of reverse splits to a total of 15,000 to 1 get there. AS always: GREAT JOB MOLEN!
Molen finally found a way to keep vgpr above .01. All he had to do was a 150,000 to 1 RS (300X500=150K) in one year. If you add the two other previous RS since Molen has been in charge (2010 to present), the total RS is now 9 billion to 1. So, if you owned 9 billion shares in 2010, it is now worth about .0150. Great Job Molen! Please reverse grow with us! This should be the next pump and dump campaign theme. You know it is here soon....
ANYTHING Molen related is way overpriced above .0001. This is just continuing long running scam that it has always been. No asset growth, since going to "Bio-Fuel" years ago. How is that even possible?
Should be in .000X by the first of year. Guaranteed tax write off and massive losses await you, just like all the stockholders before.
Nice 50%+ loss so far today.... "Come Grow with US". RIGHT!
The only thing that grows around this company is Molen's bank account and the number of lies.
3rd quarter reports have posted on OTC markets. Nice, M Molen only lost 20K last quarter. That is only half of what he usually does. He is not getting better at running this company, my guess, he is just not reporting everything….. as usual.
Well, it is about time for another FAKE factory build to get this thing going again. This must be the longest time between misrepresentations for Molen, Ever. We are left with "Filling out RFP" . Without a FAKE factory to build, VEGA is only a share in a straight commission sales force of 1 part time person……. Way overpriced at anything above .000X.
The story of Molen: from 2007 article (long post) Few thing have changed!
Meanwhile, in Atlanta, a man named Michael Molen was making news for his wild ideas about blimps. In 2002, Molen told the Toronto Star that the "stratellites" of his company, Sanswire, would be working in the stratosphere in "early 2004" at a cost of $36 million. Molen's spiel attracted small investors who wanted in on his scheme.
By early 2004, Molen wasn't any closer to launching blimps, but at that point, he did hire a designer: California garage inventor Vern Koenig, who is something of an enigma. Although he says he has a college degree in naval architecture, Koenig refuses to say where he earned it. He also claims that GlobeTel's competition, Lockheed Martin, which is developing its own set of blimps for homeland security applications, is a front for the CIA. In addition, Koenig recalls that he once sold a model of the Hindenburg to the Ripley's Believe It or Not! museum in Los Angeles for $20,000.
Somehow, in his busy schedule, Koenig stumbled across information about Molen and his stratellite concept on the Internet early in 2004. Koenig made a phone call, "and the next minute, I'm signing an agreement with Mike Molen," he says. "Essentially, that's how I got involved."
Molen wanted progress from Koenig, fast. In August 2004, Molen had promised to fly something for a group of interested investors, including GlobeTel's then-CEO, Timothy Huff.
"They wanted an airship from me to take up a 25-pound payload," Koenig says. But Molen hadn't sent him the money he needed for an August demonstration. "[Molen] calls me up one day and says 'How's the airship coming?' and I told him it's not.
"Apparently, Molen borrowed $10,000 from GlobeTel to buy an ultralight airplane. I got half the airplane built, and I threw it into a rented truck and drove from Redlands, California, to Atlanta. I finished the airplane in Atlanta, and the test was near the airport."
The plan for the test, since stratellites didn't exist yet, was to attach communications gear to the ultralight airplane for a short flight to demonstrate that a craft aloft in the atmosphere could beam down signals the way a satellite in space does. But there was a hitch.
"I told him I can't fly an unlicensed aircraft in commercial airspace. And he said, 'If you fly up there, how much would the penalty be?'"
Koenig told Molen he didn't care how much the fine was; he wasn't going to violate Federal Aviation Administration rules. So Molen wound up attaching wireless cell phone transmitters to a high-altitude helicopter he had rented.
"Molen — if he wasn't selling Sanswires, he'd be selling used cars," Koenig says.
Soon after the jury-rigged demonstration, Huff began negotiations to buy Molen's Sanswire. GlobeTel acquired Sanswire's assets at the end of 2004 by paying Molen 6 million shares of GlobeTel stock.
At the time, Molen was in the middle of a personal bankruptcy action. He hadn't paid taxes since 1988 and had debts totaling $2.5 million. He listed a mere $6,200 in assets — including $800 in cash, $200 in clothing, and $5,000 in household goods.
Molen also owed several investors personally for loans they'd made to him. Jay Pontrielli, an Atlanta lawyer who represented one of Molen's investors, says it took ten years to recoup a $30,000 loan his client made to Molen — and it was Molen's father who settled the debt. The investor, William J. Wager, died during the litigation.
"We had to chase Molen down for several years and then several more years after we got a judgment," Pontrielli says. "It seemed to the people he was able to raise money from that he had a persuasive business plan for this whole stratellite thing... He's left a trail of frustrated creditors chasing after him."
But Molen counters that only a few investors have "made his life miserable." He still thinks his stratellite idea was good. "I wouldn't say that the business plan was a pipe dream," he says in a telephone interview. "In any business, you find investors who believe in ideas.
link :http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/beam-me-up-6332945
Here is the link to Molen's news release.
http://www.4-traders.com/news/Vega-Biofuels-Provides-Update-to-Shareholders--22939101/
Nothing new here just Molen repackaging old lies. You know the standards:
1) sample has been submitted.
2) sample has been tested ( although the only proof is Molen's word, which is worthless) Molen needs to post a copy of the result or no one should believe him. Why would you, he has lied so many times, asking to see the report is not a big thing, only if it didn't happen and it is a lie would it be a big thing to Molen.
3)The rfp is for 8,000 tons. And sample is as good as "powder river" coal; Except that this coal sells for about $25 a ton now and even if a bio credit is added (about $40ton). Molens bid is for $185 ton… good luck with that.
BUT the Biggest thing is. Molen is just the sales agent (20%) he has no plant, no means of production. So, even if they get the bid and deliver, it will not even cover Molen general expenses for 10 months.
This is just a letter for the soon to come , sponsored by a pump-house, to bring in suckers. This is just Molen squeezing the last out of this scam. NO WAY any power company would buy from Molen, he has nothing to sell, and has a track record of not delivering anything ever… Just because they asked him to bid means nothing. Molen will not pass even the first tests of DD that the power company would do.
Proud day to be Molen, 5th reverse split since being CEO and the yield sign yet again on OTC Markets. Can't believe that this RS was rubber stamped again by FINRA. AS for companies like VGPR, this companies first and foremost reason to exist is to SELL STOCK for the enrichment of Molen --NOT INVESTORS.
Looks like it time again to write a complaint letter to FINRA, Wyoming Secretary of State (state of inc.) and the SEC. Someone will do something someday. But these agencies are supposed to protect the public from dirt bags stealing money and in this case they dropped the ball.
The Thief Molen strikes again…..
TigerLynk is a scam??? no way! They reported "Boot on the Ground" and "Boats on the Water" 2 years ago.
Searching Public Records -Molen. A man you can trust?
Molen's court history so far:
Party Name Case Number Case Category
MOLEN, MICHAEL 01-A-10049-7 BUCKLEY VS SANSWIRENET LLC ET AL CONTRACT
MOLEN, MICHAEL 11-M-28564 NATURAL FUELS INDUSTRIES VS VEGA BIOFUELS INC SMALL CLAIMS GENERAL CIVIL
MOLEN, MICHAEL 98-A-09916-2 FRIEDMAN VS MOLEN UNIFORM FOREIGN JMT ACTN -DOMESTIC
MOLEN, MICHAEL 95-A-00125-2 FRIEDMAN VS MOLEN ET AL JMT DOMESTICATION - GENERAL CIVIL
MOLEN, MICHAEL 91-C-00519-S1 BANK SOUTH NA VS MOLEN ET AL CONTRACT
MOLEN, MICHAEL 95-C-05440-S1 BANK SOUTH VS MOLEN POST JUDGMENT-OTHER
MOLEN, MICHAEL 89-C-04659-S2 MEMORIAL DRIVE SERVICE CENTER INC VS MOLEN CONTRACT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 02-C-00632-S3 PARKER HUDSON VS MOLEN ET AL ACCOUNT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 99-C-03662-S3 AMERICAN EXPRESS TRAVEL VS IBBOTSON ACCOUNT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 04-C-04891-S4 PARKER HUDSON RAINER & DOBBS LLP VS MOLEN ET AL CONTRACT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 03-C-08878-S3 AMERICAN EXPRESS VS IBBOTSON ET AL POST JUDGMENT-OTHER
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 06-C-15063-S5 FUNK ENTERPRISES INC VS MOLEN JMT DOMESTICATION - GENERAL CIVIL
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 02-C-08247-S1 WAGER VS MOLEN GARNISHMENT-REGULAR
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 10-GC-00094-S4 RIVER MANSIONS PROPERTY VS MOORE GARNISHMENT-REGULAR
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 10-M-18407 MOORE VS MOLEN DISPOSSESSORY
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 04-C-09830-S1 AMERICAN EXPRESS TRAVEL VS MOLEN GARNISHMENT-CONTINUING
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 95-C-00301-S3 MEADOWS ICHTER & TRIGG PC VS MOLEN ACCOUNT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 00-A-01145-2 CAMPBELL VS MOLEN ET AL ACCOUNT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 00-A-01956-5 WAGER VS MOLEN CONTRACT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 01-A-02823-5 WAGER VS MOLEN POST JUDGMENT-OTHER
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 06-A-02368-5 TSUNAMI COMMUNICATIONS VS SANSWIRE TECHNOLOGIES ET AL CONTRACT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 09-A-09607-5 WARSOWE ACQUISITION CORP VS MOLEN UNIFORM FOREIGN JMT ACTN -GEN CIVL
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 04-A-00400-4 KELLOGG VS SANSWIRE TECHNOLOGIES ET AL UNIFORM FOREIGN JMT ACTN -GEN CIVL
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 04-A-00399-3 SCHONDER VS SANSWIRE TECHNOLOGIES ET AL UNIFORM FOREIGN JMT ACTN -GEN CIVL
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 04-A-00398-8 STEFFYKIRKHAM VS SANSWIRE TECHNOLOGIES INC ET AL UNIFORM FOREIGN JMT ACTN -GEN CIVL
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 08-A-04994-7 LEVITAN VS VEGA PROMOTIONAL SYSTEMS ET AL CONTRACT
MOLEN, MICHAEL K 15-A-04746-7 LEVITAN VS VEGA PROMOTIONAL SYSTEMS ET AL POST JUDGMENT-OTHER
MOLEN, MICHAEL KENT 91-B-02051-2 STATE VS MOLEN
Michael Kent Molen
Bankruptcy CaseGeorgia Northern Bankruptcy Court, Case No. 03-67853
docket://gov.uscourts.ganb.03-67853
https://eapps.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/criminalDetail.do?formAction=newSearch?ts=1470343322684&clientSearchCounter=15&localFipsCode=167 - MICHAEL KENT MOLEN
MICHAEL KENT MOLEN
Birthdate: Available
Age: 59
Birth State: IN
Sex: M
Height: 507
Weight: 145
Eye Color: HAZ
Hair Color: Brown
Race: White
Skin Tone: FAR
Offense Description: Available
Offense Category: Criminal/traffic
Agency Case Number: Available
Court Case Number: Available
Offense State: GA
Source Name: Available
Arrest Date: 05/28/1991
Arresting Agency: Available
Disposition: CONVICTED
Disposition Date: 01/08/1992
Court: GA Bureau of Investigation(In-State Felony)
Fines: 1000
Probation Length: Available
Molen will NEVER and has Never reported up to date accurate numbers in share counts.
It is one of the major parts of his Scam. Just like last years report on A/S on 1st quarter only to have A/S increased by 1 billion shares the next day after the report. But, as history has clearly shown, VGPR is not a company, it is share selling scam so under reporting of A/S goes with the territory. Based on sale volume, I would guess that A/S is well above 3 Billion as of today, but the next Reverse Split is just a few months away.
Molen addiction to toxic debt is inexhaustible and VNDM and others will always be gutting the carcass of this company. Even when the endless list of bogus PR's came out the last 2 years, there was VNDM killing any PPS increase, every time.
It was great seeing that Molen sent in his reports, late as usual. I would like to know why it costs $10,000 a month for General and administrative expenses. It was my understanding that there is no company office, no assets like a computers or desks or even a Bio-coal plant. If there were assets why are they not in the balance sheet?
Also, if the deal with the Now Corporation is not going to happen, why didn't the deposit he gave for machinery show back up in the Balance sheet. I guess it is just another $25K that went straight into Moles pockets….again. It could be a bonus to the CEO for not making a single penny in revenue for yet another quarter.
Good luck to all of those buying this stock now, it is pretty much a year in -98.97% looser of value every year. Jump in and see for yourself!
MOLEN: The lies need to stop, the total lack of any measurable progress in years needs to end. Please sell the shell to someone that might do something with it. This company is just a black hole that investors money goes in and excuses come out. Been that way for years.
Joe: Nothing going on here, just more of the same Molen scam Stock selling scheme at the expense of the investor. The toxic death spiral is in full swing and yet another RS is awaiting the new bag holders. I think he will go for the big r/s this time and do the 10,000 /1 that pink scam stock are famous for.
Molen is still not reporting accurate share counts on a timely basis. I guess the best part is when Vencor sold the shell, the new owners demanded that Molen return the money paid to Vega (the negative revenue numbers). It looks like all of Vega's reported revenue was from only Vencor after all, just Molen paying himself. There was no contract fulfillment, no delivery of anything ever.
This time Molen has no one to use on this site to report his invisible progress. Last third party word from Molen was that he was working on a bid, that was 5 months ago. Looks like he is just going silent and taking in the money this time, with no promises or shipment ready next week lies. kind of boring…
Is this at NO-BID? It is showing on scottrade as such. How can you grow a company when you can't even sell your stock for .0001? RS is coming even if the CEO says otherwise. No real choice, with lack of revenue to even cover expenses.
Stop sign is here! Looks like ground hog day again for Molen failure to report in the given time frame. It could be that he is too busy selling worthless paper instead.
It is funny reading some of the "You know nothing about OTC" talk. I remember when the loudest one of the pumpers was buying all of the .0012 he could get a few months ago. Should have listened to him, your loss would only be around 90%. I just don’t get the boasting the same person makes, of making a fortune on this stock. It must be that new math thing.
I hope that the people buying now realize that this is a black hole and you will likely NEVER see green but 1 day out of 100. Bad stock, run by a SCAM Artist!
Yield sign is still on, but should go to stop very soon. It looks like the yield is on because ceo Molen can't find an attorney to sign the year end letter.
I guess there ARE some things that even an Attorney will not do!!! VGPR has finally reached that low point.
I think that Molen has found his real product, it is selling worthless stock. This time no promises, no new plants, no new orders and no direction. Just pure paper this time! But, I do miss the drama/lies when Molen is in full scam mode, it is a wonder to behold.
NO BID!!! On this POS! That is according to scotttrade. 0 bid! Thanks For all of your hard work Molen! Yet another group of investors scammed out of their money, and this time Molen didn't have to do anything other then just shut his mouth and say nothing. Nice rewards for a 6 year ongoing scam! Hat's off to the "Best Scam CEO" in the pinks!
This turd is on the way to a big Reverse split. The company has been living on stock sales and toxic debt to long. No real revenue here, just debt and sales of paper. RUN… don't walk on this one, unless you NEED a Tax write off, it is great for that..……
This group of bag holders don't even get any Molen stories. What a rip off for them. They should have seen all of the speculations and promises from a year ago. This time Molen is just sitting back and getting the money, I guess he is evolving into a new type of scam leader.
Molen has 50 billion shares of common that are always for sale even at .0001 (check out latest financials….common stock, $0.0001 par value; 50,000,000,000 shares authorized, 113,607,580 shares issued and outstanding) . But it is great to see the puffers coming out of the woodwork. At this point it is just Idiots making money from Idiots.
I am sure that the bragging of "I made a million thousand dollars from this stock last time" are mostly BS, some may have made money but at least 100 to 1 lost money. But for this current situation, IMO many Puffers will and do lie, but you all know that by now, or should.
Vega did go up once about 2 years ago.... But that was a different time and Molen lied about being involved with MJ and his lie gave VEGA membership in the group and it was bundled in to that classification.
Keep buying his worthless paper and you will be stuck to. I know this is not an investment class stock by any stretch and is made from flipping. However, this turd is down 99% of the time, good luck making money on that downward roller coaster flippers.
Best advice on this board…. STAY Away from this unless you need a tax write off, that is all this is good for. Just wait… Molen next list of lies are about to start up again, just as soon as he can find some Grey stock to sign a fake agreement with.
I just get goose bumps thinking about all of the future PR's Molen will release about "Increasing Production to meet excessive demand". This is really funny because there is no demand and there is no production….. There may be demand for Bio-fuels, but not Molen fuel. This product is call "Invisible Bio-fuel", because it only exists in the mind of MOLEN...
Great to see those .0001 sales today. Only about 150 million more to go before "NO BID" and then the next Reverse Split. Great Work there MOLEN! Parasite CEO of the year.
Molen for Scum Bag Hall of Fame! First ballot.
Very much a dead ticker (or should be)… Molen is just selling shares all the way down to .0001. If history repeats itself (2010 and 2011 R/S), He will just keep silent until the second reverse split is over (a few months from now), then come up with some BS story again that is 1% true and 99% a lie.
I think that he will find that building a 3rd fake plant is going to take more effort. First, only the most toxic debt lenders would loan money to such a scam. No licensed bank would have anything to do with VEGA, the way the income statement/balance sheet reads is totally laughable. Second: too many victims of his past performance are still around and are not happy.
Hope you guys don't get caught being bag holder here, but Molen will do the best he can to make sure that there will be no escape after you buy this crap…..It only goes down, except for R/S
Nothing to see here. Just another OTC Scam from a company that lives on toxic debt instead of revenues. This company has no patents of any type whatsoever. They manufacture NOTHING. They are nothing more then a re-seller of cheap Chinese imported camera's. The have sold less then 100 units but have debt of 3+ million in the process.
Just another pump and dump headed to .0001 and BIG Reverse split!
Not sure if the CEO is just massively incompetent, he did get fired at the last security camera firm he worked at. He may know the industry, but he is not a good business person.
Enjoy the money pit that turd has become. SCAM for sure. But enjoy the dead cat bounce of maybe a penny or 2. Not much relief for those longs that average above $.10 a share. There is enough toxic debt out there now, to fill every share order for the next 6 months. New debt maturing all thru the summer and fall of this year, and at a 40% discount. NICE!
The interest expense is more then year to date sales. Looks like every $200 camera they sold, cost the company (all expenses added) $2,874 per unit to produce. Not going to stay in business very long doing that, unless you can take stockholders dollar to cover.
Yes .01 is way way over priced. This is nothing more then a pump and dump stock. I Wish it was not the case but you can't wish facts away…..
New low every day! This is without a doubt a TURD of a ticker, here is why. First, the latest rounds dilution has wiped out any stockholders value over the past 90 days. This ticker has lost almost 95% of value in 90 days. I get where the company is expanding or whatever. But the management made a decision to dilute to the maximum, as that is what has happened.
But the biggest drop will come in the next few days as nearly $220,000 in toxic debt matures. Then in June there is another $170,000 in toxic debt.
This is nothing more then a scam company that is hooked on toxic debt and is no way competitive short term or long term, regardless of the FAKE orders they are claiming. You have to sell a lot of camera's to cover just the debt…..
Just my thoughts. But the only one's making money here is the shorts. This should be sub penny way before June, then the OTC customary 500-1 reverse split.
SCAM! BEWARE!!! Any company that dilutes this long and to this degree is a scam! They have wiped out current investors with this ENDLESS dilution. SCAM! NEW low every day. This is headed for sub penny and then Reverse split, just like all of the other OTC Scams.
This thing is really turning into a TURD! Looks to be sub-penny before the end of the month. Just another day in the OTC I guess...
.0002 and Molen smiles because these shares cost him ZERO. I bet guy the guy who was shilling for this POS scam at .0012 is hurting, just like anyone who believed in this option.
It is not like you have not been warned, just obstinate, well look at you now, down over 85% in just months. Welcome to the long list of Molen's victims, but at least you brought some other investors with you….. good for you!
Here comes the .0001 shares....
100% agree. Fake Company. All investor funds go to Molen and nothing EVER gets done, EVER. All of this new money is headed to the same black hole as all previous money went.
Buying anything Molen related is perhaps the best example of throwing money away that exists, short of just setting the money on fire. About the same odds of winning as betting the color Blue-Plaid on a roulette table. ZERO