Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Scout -
Everyone has been paying CLOSE very close attention to the PRs. Vanis is simply shifting everyone's attention away from Vfizz's failure with Yo Gabba Gabba and this THC stuff. There is no national account. It is glaringly obvious. That was almost a full calendar year since he announced that. He also stated that the products will be available in over 10,000 stores in 2016. We're just about half way through 2016 - and all that has occurred is the purchase of the beverage (beverage only) Yo Gabba Gabba, announcements of other products along with 0 updates on VFizz's sales, #'s, revenues, UK sales, expansion etc etc.
Remember the whole "cut and paste" methodology that Vanis and whatever that power brands guy name was, talked about? Where is the cutting and pasting? Didn't they say they would be cutting and pasting the "success" of their products from state to state or even region to region? Why have they not "cut and pasted" yet?
Easy - because there is NOTHING to cut and paste. They are now developing and acquiring other products in order to find something that will stick in the market.
Monkey -
What three national products are you speaking of at the moment or even "future" national products.
Vfizz?
Vfizz with Caffeine
?????
The CB Squeeze is merely a test to see if the market will take these type of products. It even says so in the last PR
For everyone's awareness - I've e-mailed DHX media directly to find out what role they will be playing with Minerco and Yo Gabba Gabba - that was on Monday...no response. Similar to when I e-mailed Minerco over 2 weeks ago and did not even get a "thanks for your feedback/question we'll get back to you shortly"
will keep everyone posted if I ever hear back.
Is everyone aware of the roll and relationship of DHX media to Minerco and Athena? DHX media is strictly television and movies type media.
The most important question is...what is their DIRECT relationship with Minerco and Athena. Simple - Yo Gabba Gabba beverages (and beverages only) fall under Athena & Minerco. That is it. Therefore DHX media will be doing very little DIRECTLY for Athena and Minerco.
2nd order effect...the INDIRECT relationship of DHX Media and lets just call it A&M (Athena & Minerco). Yo Gabba Gabba is under DHX's portfolio under DHX Brands. Pulled directly from the website:
DHX Brands is the dedicated brand-management and consumer-products arm of DHX Media, specializing in creating, building and maintaining high-profile global entertainment brands within the children's and young-adult markets. With expertise in brand development, licensing, marketing and creative, we develop brands which captivate and inspire through engaging content, first-class distribution, quality consumer products, immersive live experiences, and digital media
DHX media is only relevant to A&M if Yo Gabba Gabba the SHOW is successful. Yo Gabba Gabba has yet to be signed for a 5th season and is constantly on re-runs. Again, DHX media will have little to do with actual Beverage that A&M will be managing, the 2nd order effect of the success of the show will either HELP or HURT the beverage. Without a show...the drink is worthless rendering the purchase of Yo Gabba Gabba a waste of money. This is, of course, if the TV show does not remain successful. **note how i said "remain successful". I will not deny that Yo Gabba Gabba the T.V. show has had it's success with all the awards it has won, but it has faded from relevancy with children now days, especially with NO new episodes or content.
We need everyone to stop playing connect the dots and creating imaginary direct relationships between 3rd party company's that have little or nothing to do with THIS stock, $MINE. DHX Media's success has little to do with $MINE. If Yo Gabba Gabba doesn't get signed and falls off DHX's portfolio, DHX media remains a operating company and $MINE will be left holding the license to a dead brand. Which IMO is inevitable...Yo Gabba Gabba will be non-existent...hence why the 'great deal' Vanis got.
All of the above is in my opinion and any information I used as DD was pulled directly from http://www.dhxmedia.com/brands/.
"coming days" it's been 15 days since that PR. Again - this is another carrot at the end of the stick. You reiterate to posters here that "Vanis only puts on PR's when it's actually done BOOM". False yet again. If he puts out PRs after the fact he would have said "VitaminFizz with Caffeine has started the production run, see the production run video on our website (they've posted production runs why not anymore???)" that should be the end of it. Why not put out a PR AFTER the production run has begun? Not the anticipatory b.s. that has been going on.
this is about the 3rd or 4th time Vanis has proven you wrong that he actually does not put out PRs after the fact. You support a man who consonantly makes you wrong Mr. Voth.
There is little to no hope left. All of Monkye's Fib talk has fallen through, the PRs are even fluffier than before and Vanis is adding more broken promises.
Everything above is IMO.
Only Post -
I would also like to know what that "emergency production run" was for? It is literally said in a PR and a 8k - and yet that information has not been revealed. That was waaaay last year. If scout or monkey or any supporter can actually find out what the emergency production was for with actual FACTS, that will put some of the noise to bed. P.S. that emergency run was BEFORE the colored caps came about. He also said it was for a national account did he not? Emergency production run sounds like "we signed a national account we need to get product out there now!"
...but they didn't sign a national account...and you CANNOT link that "emergency run" to anything that has happened after the fact (i.e. CaffineFizz, CB Tea etc etc). Someone hit up $MINE and find this out. I'm going to attempt to but Vanis picks and chooses what e-mails he wants to answer.
Monkey and Co seem to have gone away. that pump to .035ish was fun while it lasted. still waiting on that "national" account. Yet another set of PR's to drag along investors....can't deny that the cards are starting to finally reveal this stock is about dead.
SS1 -
Your post has alot of false assumptions and facts.
1. The assumption that: "i don't believe YGG ever left, just went over seas for scenery". This actually makes no sense what so ever. Your quote about airing on TV internationally means they signed deals with international cable companies to run episodes that were already aired. The company never went anywhere, they did NOT setup any offices/satellite locations or anything overseas. The notion that they "went over seas for scenery" is more of a "fun" saying that you just made up. ***Thank you for putting "i don't believe" this at least lets readers know that this is your thought process only with no actual DD to back it up.**
2. "Now they are coming back home to the U.S. with proper guidance and management" - this is under the assumption that Athena Brands is actually taking over YGG the brand as a whole...which includes tours, TV shows, books, music etc etc. This is 100% NOT THE CASE at all. PURE FACT. Athena brands is the "new management" for the YGG beverages. Nothing more - Nothing Less.
If the YGG team has new management that is going to be providing proper guidance - please let us know who that company is? Also, the phrase "...coming back home to the U.S. with the proper guidance and management" leaves the notion that YOU BELIEVE their management in the past did not provide guidance for a successful company, but yet you tote how well this YGG is going to change Athena, $MINE and Vanis.
It's great that they air internationally - but keep in mind they have NOT signed for a 5th season and they have NOT aired any new episodes since 2012...maybe 2013? I'll have to double check my previous post that linked up my DD.
It will be if/when it actually ever becomes available. Vitamin Creamer and Island style (not to mention coffee boost, rise or other prodcuts) are prime examples why this PR didn't mean much. As much as everyone loves to say "Vanis doesn't put out PR's until things are actually done BOOM" that is obviously 100% false in this latest PR. He announced Caffeine Fizz to be released. It is currently not released. If Vanis only releases PR's after the fact (as many have said), The PR would have read "Athena brands releases VFizz with caffeine available NOW in southern cali locations", but that's not the case.
It's a good idea, I haven't really seen any other product like it so basic business tells you that when you have a Niche in the market it SHOULD pay dividends as long as there is a consumer for it.
Not geared towards you, but it would be nice if posters would stop putting out false claims that Vanis only releases PR's after the fact. This is a prime example of discounting that claim, there are many more that I can post but I only have 1 post per day.
Can you explain why it can't go over .03 and stay above it if .05 is the true resistance.
Honest Question
Instead of just picking a side and bashing or pumping this yo gabba gabba thing lets just put it all together:
The Good:
- 2016 Daytime Emmy's: Nominated for "Best Pre-school children's series"
source
- 2010: For some reason Yo Gabba Gabba performed at Coachella...? Weird
Source
- 2010: "Creative Content Award" for their tour
Source
- The Television Critics Association Awards have nominated Yo Gabba Gabba! for Outstanding Achievement in Children's/Youth Programing. The years include 2008-2012. Yo Gabba Gabba! won for the year 2009 and 2010
Source
- February 2013, Yo Gabba Gabba! won two Kidscreen Awards for "Best Non-Animated or Mixed Series 2013" and "Best Music 2013"
Source
The Bad:
- Have not been resigned for a 5th season as of yet
Source
- Have not aired any new episodes since 2012
Source
******
On a few side notes and comments on other posts that have been floating. Some have stated that they are doing "real DD" by asking a group of like 100 kids or something and seeing if they know what Yo Gabba Gabba is. This DD is highly irrelevant. We don't know any statistics or demographics on the children you are asking. I could ask 100 ten year olds what Yo Gabba Gabba is and they would not know...why? because this is for Pre-school aged children. Hence the daytime Emmy Nomination for Best "PRE-SCHOOL"children's series.
IMDB.com has roughly 30 or so reviews of the Yo Gabba Gabba series and almost all of them are positive. While this is a small number of reviews, it still tells a better story that is actually proof of positive reviews rather than a IHUB member claiming to talk to other parents and posting it.
Source
Is this a good deal or not? We'll find out soon enough. It seems as if the show is on it's way out and that's why the deal looked so sweet on paper. Their products are not available internationally but the TV Show is aired internationally. Yo Gabba Gabba does not just have this TV show or the products. It also sells books, sells music records, and does live touring. Does this all play into the deal that Vanis got? or is it strictly the beverages? That maybe a good DD point to start, if Vanis and Co are getting revs from the "other" stuff that Yo Gabba Gabba is involved in, then this makes it much better. I do not believe that the Beverages are generating millions of dollars as others have stated.
All of the above is my opinion and my opinion only. I used sources easily found on the internet to provide actual data to support my ideas.
Agreed - It's obvious that the FINS will be horrific. That should be well known already. The biggest thing that we're looking for here is future potential. If Vanis isn't coming out with anymore information on the game changer or the work horse product - this stock gets put to bed 100%.
He's been talking about it for 6 months now.
That's Ludacris to say there is a merger. Him and monkey are continually wrong and I recommend everyone on the board just add them to their ignore list. The board makes much more sense when you do that.
As bad as the company is doing - personally - I really truly believe that VFizz tastes 10x better than sparkling ice, but that doesn't matter. I'm sure many others agree as well, again, doesn't matter. Without any advertisement or ways to actually get the word out that this product exists...(if it even exists anymore...shit, it's not restocking on amazon).
I'm starting to build a theory that this product they are buying, which everyone is saying yo gaba gaba, or whatever it is, it's a avenue for Minerco to exit the Sparkling water game.
The evidence is daunting - Think about it
1. They did taste testing / small promotions (spring break, golf tourney, whatever that maxim event was) / Deals: Buy 1 get 1 - after this failure they start to realize "this is harder than we thought"
2. Haven't updated the tracker or placed in any new chains - starter bros (whatever it's called) was the last placement. When was the latest picture of someone purchasing Vfizz? was there any even in 2016? can we even find the product anymore?
3. People are saying amazon isn't even restocking - people are seeing Vfizz with the old clear caps and rarely seeing the colored caps - which insinuates the company isn't pushing out any new product
4. Folks have seen Vfizz going to Big Lots - which means they're trying to clear inventory
5. ...and probably the most obvious is one of the largest beverage if not THE largest beverage company in the world Cocoa Cola can't even penetrate this market - what makes you think a penny stock, Scott Vanis with failed ventures, is going to be able to?
To me - it makes sense. They're going to move away from the Sparkling Water market and into the children's market with this washed up drink that was popular in 2008 or something.
hey I could be wrong, and i'll be 100% willing to admit it like a man, unlike certain folks on this board. I just wouldn't be surprised to eventually see the Vfizz thing die down and used this "acquisition" of vfizz as a cover up. What's the point of having 100% ownership of a product when it's not selling?
Fluff news to hype up the company.
This is all just my theory and opinion. Take it for what it's worth...1 post of the daaay
Safe to say Monkey's charts were all wrong. We aren't even half of his "B" anymore. little to no support, with a bad Q coming. Even if he delivers the "game changer" and "national account" which, mark my post will not be revealed, it will not outweigh the disaster of financials that the company will reveal.
There is little to no hope for this company at this point. Even if he announces a Wal-mart deal - walmart skins companies alive with their pricing. It's not the primo retailer you'd think you'd want to be in, especially for a start-up company who can't establish any ground.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-11/wal-mart-sparks-battle-with-suppliers-over-margin-squeezing-fees
http://talkbusiness.net/2015/10/the-supply-side-analysts-assess-wal-mart-supplier-contract-changes/
the last article is talking about Walmart charging more for items that don't sell.
These articles are only relevant if it is ever revealed that Fizz will be in wal-mart....even if it is...it won't have that immediate "holy crap we've made it!" effect, actually much harder to make it once something like this occurs...staying afloat will be near impossible if sales don't occur @ wal-mart.
In summary - Monkey's charts = Way off / No support = price tanking / No substantial news can save this stock at this point in time.
That is all - 1 post for the day
Don't we have to meet your B point first...? isn't that .05? that seems impossible as it self....isn't your D point like .11?
dunno i swore B came before C....and D....lets crawl before we walk...
I mean...the market has been open for 15 mins? a few upticks? We'll see how it goes over the next week or two and then you can have your "told you so" moment. Right now...still nothing great is going on
he rode the huge wave pre-split that went all the way up to like .045 or something. Then he sold all of it except for a million and has been riding it. Was a million now it's whatever post-split
But he's been trying to convince others to buy buy buy. It's easy to say rather than to do. He made a good amount of money on that train - but ever since then he has 0 liability here. He'd just lose some profit.
maybe your sarcasm meter is broken...but mine went through the roof when I read that.
He was mocking all posts that have been going on around here....
He's finally given up.....
There is plenty to complain about still. Complaining won't get anyone anywhere - but it can be a omen for the future events.
1. He promised the workhorse to be announced before years end (CY15)
a. Made an excuse - 0 time-frame (coming weeks is not a time frame.....he's used "by years end" before and clearly did not happen)
2. National account that the emergency run was for
a. never announced
3. Billboards
a. never happened
4. Celebrity
a. Never happened
5. Avanzar estimated to bring in 450k a month
a. def did not happen and still not happening
These are just a few - i'm sure others can list a bunch more.
I my-self, keep saying, just let the next PR hit it'll change it all, but I've been saying that for months. Each PR is just as disappointing if not more disappointing than the next. It's tough to believe anything anymore with this company. I can't remember a PR that came out and i was like "oh shit didn't' see that coming!" or "wow this is great".
Only time will tell - all speculation leads me down the road of disappointment. It's just time for them to put up or just get buried.
speculation at this point still
everyone realizes that no one knows that it's YoGabba. Regardless of the opinion of that product.......no one has the slightest clue of what It actually is.
it makes sense it would be it...but at the same token...we've all been sorely disappointed with our speculation on what Vanis will come out with
i.e.
celebrity endorsement - ??
when Avanzar was slotted to bring in 450k a MONTH
...list goes on.
SS1 isn't here as often - just intermittently....change names?
He's paid to take one side and one side only. His contract doesn't allow for him to say anything negative, otherwise it'd be a breach of contract and he'd be terminated.
that's a crazy amount of shares traded....something is up...dillluuttionn?
prolly dumping all the notes....ay dios mio
even if it is - and they let it "run"...where will we get? maybe back up to .10 if we're lucky?
then it'll just keep doing the same thing over and over.
Group or not - doesn't matter imo
i must have read your previous post at face value. I apologize.
gotcha
meh he'll be back - always is. He'll go missing for a few hours or a day - then everyone jumps on the wagon "oh see he's even gone now! ohhh"
it's a cycle.
The company does outline their expectations but it's how everyone interprets them. The company purposely leaves them vague and open for interpretation (which I don't agree with) - and that allows for things to spiral out of control on these type of boards.
bigger stocks have their expectations, very specific and when they meet or miss their projections/expectations that's when hell is to pay...not leading up to it because of the 12 different interpretations of what the company expects.
If $MINE outlined their expectations in a specific manner, #'s, dates, etc etc it would move this company to an end state much quicker. End state can be defined as a company dead in the water or a company that thrives.
But - down here in these stocks we won't see that type of stuff - hence...why $MINE is down here.
I'm not saying there isn't problems with the company at all - there are plenty of problems, BUT the drama on the board can be greatly mitigated by folks managing their expectations.
nothing is going to happen anytime soon with this stock - so might as well let it sit and play out for the next few years.
if it dies...it dies..oh well. If it comes back to life yay.
This goes back to my posts about expectations....you said "workhorse that will bail us out"
Who said that? Where exactly did vanis say, "our workhorse product we plan to acquire will bail us out of this hole"
no where. He said it will be cash flow positive - never did he say it will completely change the financial outlook of the company.
this is the core of the problem of this board. I get frustration and emotions cause us to say things, but we need to be grounded and have a grip on reality. Even if the workhorse product is cash flow positive - it will HELP but it will not have a profound effect that everyone wants it to.
Again - if this workhorse product IS cashflow positive...it'll begin that increase in revs to help start paying off debt and slowly trudge towards making $mine profitable. progress...progress...progress...that's what we're looking for
Ya it actually is given the maturity of the company and the current market it is in.
it is RARE for a business in a heavily saturated market to come in - push a product and be profitable within a year of it's release of a product.
YOUR expectations are blown out of proportion. Profits can be obtained in the future no doubt - but right now given the Fins and where they are....it's not going to happen soon, YOU must be out of your mind for setting such high expectations.
Growth is needed as well as progress to close the debt/profit gap.
if you're down here in the pinks and looking for a company that will turn profit right away - not so sure if you are in the right place
it 100% will be a let down because everyone's expectations are probably blown out of proportions. If the workhorse product is what Vanis says it is....cash flow positive - the it's a win. Who cares what the actual product is - If it's bringing in money - that's all it's needed for.
jmo
I think they will come - I know "we've heard it all before"
but - have to consider the 100% ownership of Fizz and that alone will help make our current sales look better on paper. From there - IF the national account is real (I still think it is) then that should also help bolster sales along with all of avanzar products - outlaw energy - whatever this "work horse product" is. I'm not too concerned about that product - just another tool in the tool box to generate revs.
I know folks keep saying "wait for it...wait for it..." but literally that's all we can do at this point. He said before the end of the calendar year after the holidays so we'll see how it works out.
probably a dead period all the way up until 2016. Maybe have a mirrored run like last year when it had a pretty large run in Dec into January.
This board will never be pleased with anything that comes out - it's just expected now days.
At least they have the design down and have the packaging ready to go.
Again---progress....
you're like SS1's evil brother it's pretty funnie
I agree with you in part with regards to a CEO running the same scheme with increasing the A/S...r/s and rinse and repeat. This would be a clear indication of a scam if the company has made 0 progress and no tangible assets or assets that you can prove exist.
There are a lot of stocks down here that do the increase A/S...R/S and rinse and repeat. If you left for a year or 2 and came back you would see the company has made little to no ACTUAL progress. Their fins would be constantly be bad and show 0 progress.
This isn't to say $MINS fins are great...but YOU the Clown expert can't even deny simple MATH and FACTS that $MINE is actually progressing as a company. They went from being in another industry...to a whole new one. Developed a product, put it on shelves, and are selling it now.
That is a fact. The company HAS moved forward. These all need to be taken into consideration when you look at the previous R/S and A/S increases. Without those, they could not get to where they are today. ( *que all the b.s. you always say with regards to fins, dilution blah bla blah..I've seen your post history)
My point is - $MINE is moving forward from where they were a year ago, 2 years ago even 3 years ago. It's developed into a different company. The economy runs off of credit and loans. The f'n U.S. ECONOMY IS IN TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT. And we're still operating day to day.
If this workhorse product is cash flow positive, the national account is signed and our sales are now receiving 100% or the revs - you can bet that $MINE will be able to close the debt/profit gap. It will take time - all companies have to start in the hole...work their way out and eventually become profitable.
You are just as guilty as SS1 - you do exactly what SS1 does but you just sit on the other side of the fence. you two are like two grumpy ass old men throwing shit at each other all day.
i mean technically according to your post they have 25% say...
just sayin'
This is great to the naked eye, but it's also expected. When you go from not having a product to sell to owning most of a distribution company and finally having a product to sell, I'd hope the revs jump up big time.