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~ Oh he knows ........
GO4AWILDRIDE - Check has not arrived yet. Emailed the trust no answer yet. What did you need to do ?
~ Amazing astute detective work on the event date Great DD - WOW !
Schedule 13G Filing Deadlines
The deadlines for the initial Schedule 13G filing is based on which exemption the holder claimed in order to be able to file a Schedule 13G.
For holders relying on the Institutional Investor exemption or the Exempt Investor exemption, the initial Schedule 13G is due within 45 days after the end of the calendar year that the holder first became obligated to make a filing; however, if the beneficial ownership of a holder relying on the Institutional Investor exemption exceeds 10 percent of the class of securities during that triggering calendar year before the initial Schedule 13G is filed, it must file a Schedule 13G within 10 days after the end of the first month in which its interest exceeded 10 percent.
For holders relying on the “Passive Investor” exemption, the initial Schedule 13G must be filed within 10 days after the acquisition of more than 5 percent of a class of securities.
Amendments to Schedule 13Gs to report any changes to information reported in a prior schedule must be filed within 45 days after the end of the calendar year. In addition to this annual amendment,
~ lol, Your math has an issue.
If you believe 75/25 till the end of ? -- your common escrow share ownership is a piece of the 25% pie ( minus the dimes 8.77% of the 25%) So really a piece of the 22.8075 % pie. Now you have to share it with all the other released common escrow holders. The Preferred pie is 75%
All escrow is not equal.
POR7 Ratios can be used for a rough calculation.
1 WAMUQ = 0.03349842
1 WAMKQ = 0.4950146
1 WAMPQ = 19.8005825
You would need 591.09 common escrow = 1 preferred escrow (p).
Some here have 5 and 6 thousand P escrow, that would be 3,546,540 common escrow. Others probably have way more than 6000 p escrow.
For the record I have not seen anything that convinces me we are getting any more than what we have already received. It has been fair and reasonable from the JPM side of the coin.
The problem is it's not me who has your lambo, its JPM and the FDIC. Ask the DIMEQ holders before they got taken out behind the barn and left with cents on the dollar.
~ lol, One thing I know about people/companies that have billions of dollars is that they didn't get it by giving it away.
~ So the latest WE ARE RICH date in the 30th ?
and the latest WE ARE NOT RICH date is the 31st ?
I'm just trying to keep track. lol
~ Understand that COOP is all that exists.
~ Lets see what happens ...... Nothing Zero Nada Zip
~ Let me guess, another post that has absolutely positively ZERO to do with us.
I have 20000 for you. I sure wish we could trade these, the dreamers would bid them up nicely.
~ Know what you own ... You forgot the top part of the quote from the site .
Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®.
Quote:”As of October 10, 2018, Mr. Cooper Group Inc. is the new name of WMIH Corp. On July 31, 2018, WMIH, now Mr. Cooper Group, became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper) and Xome.”
https://mrcoopergroup.com
Another theory down the drain.
If one believes ... is the key part of that post.
~ No way too much money to be made ...
They are not in Class 22.
If one believes the 75/25 from the POR7 will be applied in the future, then they would be 8.77% of the 25% I would guess.
1 Billion (example returned to equity) * 25% = 250,000,000 * 8.77% = 21,925,000
21,925,000 / 59156230 ( released (10MM x .82% recovery / amount of last dimeq payment))= .370628 cents per released dimeq per billion returned to equity.
*** of particular note is the DIMEQ markers were canceled years ago. So what does that tell you ???
DIMEQ
• Provide the releases by February 29, 2012 and receive:
1. Pro Rata share of 8.77% of whatever percentage (if any) that Common Equity Interests get under the Plan. Common Equity Interests are currently slated to share 30% of Newco but this is subject to Court approval;
2. Pro Rata share of ($9.0 million less approximately $3.2 million) on account of the allowed Class 12 Claim; and
3. Pro Rata share of a Class 18 Subordinated Claim, up to $10 million,
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10,000,000 (DIMEQ class 18) * 82 % (Rosen’s number from the call ) = 8,200,000
0.138616 (payment)
8,200,000 / 0.138616 (payment) = 59156230 Released
1 Billion (example) * 25% = 250,000,000 * 8.77% = 21,925,000
21,925,000 / 59156230 = .370628 cents per released dimeq per billion returned to equity.
Has anyone got a DIMEQ check yet ? If so how much per DIMEQ ? thx.
Thanks !
This is the Class 18 claim portion. I was guessing it was around .09 but collecter52 said it is .1386. I just wanted to confirm how much it was per share.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=153377179
nhtrader, What was the amount per dimeq ?
13.86 ? I'm presently surprised. I haven't received anything yet. So was it just a statement letter ?
I don't believe so. If released and on time, Dimeq got the initial COOP shares and the Class 12 cash or LTI and now the Class 18 claim.
Provide the releases by February 29, 2012 and receive:
Pro Rata share of 8.77% of whatever percentage (if any) that Common Equity Interests get under the Plan. Common Equity Interests are currently slated to share 30% of Newco but this is subject to Court approval;
Pro Rata share of ($9.0 million less approximately $3.2 million) on account of the allowed Class 12 Claim; and
Pro Rata share of a Class 18 Subordinated Claim, up to $10 million, which is currently viewed to be out of the money.
Provide the releases after February 29, 2012 and receive:
None of the Newco Stock going to Common Equity Interest Holders (if any). My understanding is that there either cannot or will not be any Newco Stock escrowed for the Common Equity Interest Holders.
The recovery on account of the Class 12 Claim and Class 18 Claim if you turn in your paperwork within 12 months following the Effective Date.
The Dimeq only are slated to receive 82% of their 10,000,000 class 18 claim - about .0864289 per share. They still lost out on the majority of the $3.00 +- that they should have been paid. It will be even more egg in their face if class 19 or 22 miraculously receive anymore past the 114K of COOP to class 22.
• Provide the releases by February 29, 2012 and receive:
• Pro Rata share of 8.77% of whatever percentage (if any) that Common Equity Interests get under the Plan. Common Equity Interests are currently slated to share 30% of Newco but this is subject to Court approval;
• Pro Rata share of ($9.0 million less approximately $3.2 million) on account of the allowed Class 12 Claim; and
• Pro Rata share of a Class 18 Subordinated Claim, up to $10 million, which is currently viewed to be out of the money. ( not now see below )
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Everyone who signed timely releases should get a check sent out on or after the 10th of January of (approximately/my best guess) .0864289 a share.
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Ok, so DIMEQ received a pro rata share of 8.77
10,000,000 (DIMEQ class 18) * 82 % (percentage from PR 2020/Jan/1) = 8,200,000
8,200,000 / 94875597 ( Linda’s estimate of released *) = .0864289
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Everyone who signed timely releases should get a check sent out on or after the 10th of January of (approximately/my best guess) .0864289 a share.
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Ok, so DIMEQ received a pro rata share of 8.77
10,000,000 (DIMEQ class 18) * 82 % (percentage from PR 2020/Jan/1) = 8,200,000
8,200,000 / 94875597 ( Linda’s estimate of released *) = .0864289
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WMI Liquidating Trust to Initiate Final Distribution and Wind-Down of Operations
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1545078/000119312520005481/d866835dex991.htm
If you did it on time and released - the total return was about .15+-.01 (stock and $ ) to date with another .09+-.01 coming per dimeq.
The above is 99% accurate.
The below is POR 75/25 after chapter 7 stuff I don't think anyone knows for sure.
I have been wondering and no one wants to talk about it here, is that the POR states that dimeq should get a Pro Rata share of 8.77% of whatever percentage (if any) that Common Equity Interests get under the Plan.
.0877 X .025 = .021925 x per 1,000,000,000 that is expected by some here
= $ 21,925,000
/ 94875597 ( Linda’s estimate of released *) =
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= .231092 per dimeq share.
Roach, When did they receive it ?
Have you ever got anything from the dimeq ? did you get the escrow dineq ?
Provide the releases by February 29, 2012 and receive:
Pro Rata share of 8.77% of whatever percentage (if any) that Common Equity Interests get under the Plan. Common Equity Interests are currently slated to share 30% of Newco but this is subject to Court approval;
Pro Rata share of ($9.0 million less approximately $3.2 million) on account of the allowed Class 12 Claim; and
Pro Rata share of a Class 18 Subordinated Claim, up to $10 million, which is currently viewed to be out of the money.
Provide the releases after February 29, 2012 and receive:
None of the Newco Stock going to Common Equity Interest Holders (if any). My understanding is that there either cannot or will not be any Newco Stock escrowed for the Common Equity Interest Holders.
The recovery on account of the Class 12 Claim and Class 18 Claim if you turn in your paperwork within 12 months following the Effective Date.
I didn't say it was a big move, I suggested it was what was refereed to by the OP's puzzle post.
This Owner, direct and indirect participant talk of "someone" may be in the prospectus. I don't see the dots connecting, just the dots.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/933136/000095012406005225/v23402b5e424b5.htm
FORM OF PREFERRED STOCK AND DEPOSITARY SHARES
The depositary shares shall be issued in book-entry form through DTC, as described in “Book-Entry Issuance” in this prospectus supplement. The Series K Preferred Stock will be issued in registered form to the depositary.
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Book-entry issuance
The Depository Trust Company (“DTC”) will act as securities depositary for all of the depositary shares. We will issue the depositary shares only as fully-registered securities registered in the name of Cede & Co., DTC’s nominee. We will issue and deposit with DTC one or more fully-registered global certificates for the depositary shares representing, in the aggregate, the total number of the depositary shares to be sold in this offering.
DTC is a limited purpose trust company organized under the New York Banking Law, a banking organization under the meaning of the New York Banking Law, a member of the Federal Reserve System, a clearing corporation under the meaning of the New York Uniform Commercial Code, and a clearing agency registered under the provisions of Section 17A of the Exchange Act. DTC holds securities that its participants deposit with DTC. DTC also facilitates the settlement among participants of securities transactions, like transfers and pledges, in deposited securities through electronic computerized book-entry changes in the participants’ accounts, eliminating in this manner the need for physical movement of securities certificates. Direct participants include securities brokers and dealers, banks, trust companies, clearing corporations and other organizations. DTC is owned by a number of its direct participants and by the New York Stock Exchange, Inc., the American Stock Exchange, Inc. and the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. Others, like securities brokers and dealers, banks and trust companies that clear through or maintain custodial relationships with direct participants, either directly or indirectly, are indirect participants and also have access to the DTC system. The rules applicable to DTC and its participants are on file with the SEC.
Purchases of depositary shares within the DTC system must be made by or through direct participants, who will receive a credit for the depositary shares on DTC’s records. The ownership interest of each actual purchaser of each depositary share is in turn to be recorded on the direct and indirect participants’ records. DTC will not send written confirmation to beneficial owners of their purchases, but beneficial owners are expected to receive written confirmations providing details of the transactions, as well as periodic statements of their holdings, from the direct or indirect participants through which the beneficial owners purchased depositary shares. Transfers of ownership interests in the depositary shares are to be accomplished by entries made on the books of participants acting on behalf of beneficial owners. Beneficial owners will not receive certificates representing their ownership interests in depositary shares, unless the book-entry system for the depositary shares is discontinued.
DTC has no knowledge of the actual beneficial owners of the depositary shares. DTC’s records reflect only the identity of the direct participants to whose accounts the depositary shares are credited, which may or may not be the beneficial owners. The participants will remain responsible for keeping account of their holdings on behalf of their customers.
Conveyance of notices and other communications by DTC to direct participants, by direct participants to indirect participants, and by direct participants and indirect participants to beneficial owners and the voting rights of direct participants, indirect participants and beneficial owners, subject to any statutory or regulatory requirements as is in effect from time to time, will be governed by arrangements among them.
We will send redemption notices to Cede & Co. as the registered holder of the depositary shares. If less than all of these depositary shares are redeemed, DTC’s current practice is to determine by lot the amount of the interest of each direct participant to be redeemed.
Although voting on the depositary shares is limited to the holders of record of the depositary shares, in those instances in which a vote is required, neither DTC nor Cede & Co. will itself consent or vote on depositary shares. Under its usual procedures, DTC would mail an omnibus proxy to us as soon as possible after the record date. The omnibus proxy assigns Cede & Co.’s consenting or voting rights to
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direct participants for whose accounts the depositary shares are credited on the record date (identified in a listing attached to the omnibus proxy).
We will make distribution payments on the Series K Preferred Stock, and the depositary will then make distribution payments on the depositary shares to DTC. DTC’s practice is to credit direct participants’ accounts on the relevant payment date in accordance with their respective holdings shown on DTC’s records unless DTC has reason to believe that it will not receive payments on the payment date. Standing instructions and customary practices will govern payments from participants to beneficial owners. Subject to any statutory or regulatory requirements, participants, and neither DTC nor we, will be responsible for the payment. We and any paying agent will be responsible for payment of distributions to DTC. Direct and indirect participants are responsible for the disbursement of the payments to the beneficial owners.
DTC may discontinue providing its services as securities depositary on any of the depositary shares at any time by giving reasonable notice to us. If a successor securities depositary is not obtained, final depositary shares certificates must be printed and delivered. We may at our option decide to discontinue the use of the system of book-entry transfers through DTC (or a successor depositary).
We have obtained the information in this section about DTC and DTC’s book-entry system from sources that we believe to be accurate, but we assume no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. We have no responsibility for the performance by DTC or its participants of their respective obligations as described in this prospectus or under the rules and procedures governing their respective operations.
“Beneficial owner” refers to the ownership interest of each actual purchaser of each depositary share.
“Direct participants” refers to securities brokers and dealers, banks, trust companies, clearing corporations and other organizations who, with the New York Stock Exchange, Inc., the American Stock Exchange Inc., and the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., own DTC. Purchases of depositary shares within the DTC system must be made by or through direct participants who will receive a credit for the depositary shares on DTC’s records.
“Indirect participants” refers to others, like securities brokers and dealers, banks and trust companies that clear through or maintain custodial relationships with direct participants, either directly or indirectly, and who also have access to the DTC system.
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Can someone tell me what this means ?
I’ll add this information for continuity ...
Class 18,
Voting Amount Calculated in Dollars;
LTW Holders = $10,000,000.00
Tranquility = $1,000,000.00
WMB Notes = $15,000,000.00 ... 1
Re your deleted post ... I believe the "I can't tell you now" goal post will keep moving after the class 18 checks are sent and the 114K shares are sent.
There will be time limits to cash the check or to call for a missing check.
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8. Commencing on the date ninety (90) days following the final distribution to be made pursuant to the Plan, WMILT is directed to (a) post a notice on the WMILT website, www.wmitrust.com, and maintain such notice for thirty (30) days, setting forth the names of parties (i) to whom distributions have been made and such distributions have been returned to WMILT or (ii) to whom distributions have been made and such distributions remain uncashed or not-negotiated and (b) publish a notice, the form of which is annexed hereto as Exhibit “A” once in The Seattle Times notifying all parties that have had their distributions returned to WMILT or which have gone unclaimed and the potential forfeiture of recoveries unless promptly negotiated.
9. In the event that a Creditor fails to respond to the notices and negotiate its distribution within sixty (60) days of the publication referred to in decretal paragraph 8 subsection (b) hereof, such Creditor shall be precluded from receiving any recovery from the Debtors’ estates and the distribution otherwise allocable to such Creditor shall be forfeited and become part of any ultimate donation to a charitable organization by WMILT.
http://www.kccllc.net/wamu/document/0812229191220000000000001
Everyone who signed releases should get a check sent out on or after the 10th of January of (approximately/my best guess) .0895 a share.
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Ok, so DIMEQ received a pro rata share of 8.77
10,000,000 (DIMEQ class 18) * 85 % (Rosen’s number from the call ) = 8,500,000
8,000,000 / 94875597 ( Linda’s estimate of released *) = .0895910
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No that was the P holder information at the end Alice was concerned with. Nobody cared about or questioned the Class 18 in the call.
Can someone tell me what this means ?
I’ll add this information for continuity ...
Class 18,
Voting Amount Calculated in Dollars;
LTW Holders = $10,000,000.00
Tranquility = $1,000,000.00
WMB Notes = $15,000,000.00 ... 1
No - the LT already confirmed they don't know where all of the Class 18 are. Some of them never responded or were purged. Listen to court audio 12/19/19 at 06:30.
I was looking to see if any 25/75 proponents have an answer.
Board Experts expecting class 22 returns - So if anything more comes to common class 22 then presumably the DIMEQ would get their 8.77 % of the common 25% per POR7.
Why have the DIMEQ markers been removed years ago ?
and if the markers aren't the mechanism of distribution then ...
Why does the trust have issues knowing the whereabouts of DIMEQ (class 18) holders, so much so that they plan to put an ad in the Seattle paper to notify any DIMEQ who they lost track of before they give the unclaimed class 18 distribution to charity ?