If we had some eggs, we could have eggs and ham. If we had some ham.
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Can’t stop being your usual predictable self. You missed the entire point. Or you pretend to. Those were examples. Get it? There are more companies out there.
Time to learn. Read more. You can’t stay so misinformed all the time. Do some research on how desired spider silk is. It’s not difficult.
If you don’t want to study, just sell your stock. You weren’t built to handle the stress.
Good idea. I also vote we send Facebook Dale to interrogate Walter Wee. I've got a feeling he could get him to talk. Dale would kick in Wee's door like Jack Bauer and say, "You're gonna tell me what I wanna know, it's just a matter of how much you want it to hurt"
you're such a small man. to name a few...Did you miss the adidas spider silk shoe? the north face spider silk coat?
you probably never knew about them because you have to be informed to know such things. Well, these A-listers announced and attempted collaborative deals with spider silk manufacturers. They failed.
So, we know with 100% certainty the A-listers want to cut those deals. No one else can make DS. Still with me? So you see, we actually do have 100% certainty that A listers DO want these deals.
Wow. the proof shoved right in your face. You're welcome Please go back to facebook and write your word salads over there. Or maybe you can join the club with the retard DiamondHealer, aka Vortex. He's the elementary school teacher who's off for the summer and I understand he's established a home for misfit posters over there. you two geniuses can have a ball together writing nonsense posts. You can write your word salads and he can keep dropping his f bombs, having imaginary conversations with Walter Wee, and feigning like he's been around for years.
And they don't want to buy KBLB stock dummy. they want collaboration. If you studied KBLB, then you'd know that all this early production is earmarked for KINGS. And Kings is dragging ass. understand yet? we can't cut other deals because current production is contracted to Kings. See? surely even you can understand that we want to speed up the process.
the sooner worthless Kings group gets the hell out of the way, the sooner we sign a deal with the big bucks. otherwise we wait for the lazy asses to take their sweet time.
#dumpkings #makeweeshaminggreatagain
You really need to do homework on what you own.
Yes. Certain. Do you not read news? Not aware of all the A-listers that have done exactly what I said?
"I guarantee you have no idea what you are talking about."
You poor thing. Always getting picked on. I wonder why.
yes, Wee knows. as do we all. Kim said tonnage in second half of year. And that in the meantime, while supplies are limited during ramp up, we'll launch clothing. That's right now. So where's Walter? Kim has PRd multiple times that he's still on that track. But where's Walter?
I don't care if he said "1 out of 10" or "10 out of 10", the point is that he said anything at all. This destroys the claim that he's silent because Kim told him to be silent. that's a crock. where's Walter? We should all be screaming at Kings group to find out if they are awake and to start talking.
Kings sucks. Yeah, he lost money on the fashion show. Get over it. Walter can read. Kim reports being on track every damn week. The VSA, Larec, Kumar saw the plan. Kings didn't? Our partner? Pre-launch should be happening. it isn't. Where's Walter?
We gave Kim passes for years for his shit communication skills. We aren't now making excuses for Kings group too just because their asses are sore from the fashion show.
they suck.
#dumpkings
Let’s hope so. We’ve waited too long to have the launch of the biggest thing since nylon to be handled by the JV squad!
It’s like we’re standing here ready for the superbowl and half our team is still in the locker room unaware that kickoff is in ten minutes.
“ I think an official world launch is going to blow the candles off Kblb anytime now”
That would be most welcome. However, the silence from kings is the world’s worst marketing strategy in history. You have to put out teasers to get a buzz going.
They know they need to pre-launch. That’s why they had the fashion show in the first place.
Kim IS talking up his half of the equation. He does it every week.
Full blown marketing aside, there is no reason whatsoever that kings can’t at least react to their partner’s success on social media. It costs nothing.
If kim DID tell them not to act interested in Kraig’s success, that was idiotic.
"does anyone ever think that Kim is silencing them until he is ready?"
Do you really think Kim said to Kings, "Hey, don't say a word about us or our partnership until we are ready...unless you want to talk shit about us. Then by all means go ahead." ?
No. Kim didn't swear him to secrecy. The partnership is public knowledge. No one told him to go totally silent, or he wouldn't have publicly slammed Kraig Labs in January.
There are people who read this board who have connections in the textile industry who are in stunned silence that Kings hasn't been kicked to the curb already. These are people who have the contacts on their speed dial to call A-listers and get them in the room with Kim this week.
#dumpkings
Well, I can’t say I blame him for not replying to DMs. BUT, he IS getting the message that his behavior is unacceptable and he still can’t manage to do the minimum. His behavior is intolerable.
#dumpkings
It’s July. A ton is doable before year’s end. Supposedly before tonnage we were launching clothing while supplies are limited during ramp up.
Here we are, rapidly ramping up production numbers. And our “friends/partners” at Kings sit there like impotent bastards while other companies would LOVE to begin marketing.
So is Kings not sticking with the plan? They going to wait til we have tonnage before they wake the hell up? Pre-launch should have started by now.
I’m glad more are getting pissed at Kings. I’ve been beating this drum for a while now.
#dumpkings
Yeah. I’m hoping someone from Kings reads the board. Their silence about recent achievements is a statement and it isn’t a good one.
“ but as usual don't have the details of progress in the clothing line from Kings and KBLB”
I’m not even asking for details. All I want is the bare minimum of at least acting like they are eager to get moving. Of acting like they are a good partner.
A repost of a PR? An attaboy for the progress?
I was telling a friend about KBLB and the Kings deal. He called me a couple days later saying he hasn’t seen any signs that Kings is still a partner or any indication that a launch was imminent. It appeared to him that the relationship was dead. Well of course I showed him Walter Wee’s LinkedIn post… so he saw that the only public statement anyone from Kings has made in over a year was just to say he rates them a 6 and hopes for better.
So this bullshit cover story about needing to remain silent is an absolute crock. He can say shit. If he can make that comment, the douche can fix that comment.
These dicks at Kings need to be punted immediately. If they’re pissed about the fashion show expense, well, grow the hell up. They took a chance on a development company just like the rest of us.
So, Walter Wee and the entire Kings group can take their shit attitude and go F themselves. There are MONSTERS waiting for DS and these jack wagons are dragging ass.
#dumpkings
Yes, dump kings.
If you think only Kings is interested in DS, you're misinformed. the US armed forces are still after it by their own admission. Yes, i know what happened when the army tried. they still want it. But this time KBLB can produce (as demonstrated to the VSA, LAREC, and the leading sericulture expert from India. )
there's a long list of A-listers that want spider silk yesterday. We know with 100% certainty that they want the product and are willing to do the marketing necessary to move it. How do we know? because they've done it already and their partners could not (and still can't) produce. They would deal with KBLB.
Can we cut a deal with them? well, unfortunately we are stuck with a partner that doesn't give two shits about ramping up. We have a turd in the hand, not a bird.
I guarantee you, a company like UA would sign a deal tomorrow if Kim promised to punt Kings and have all VN production allocated just for them. They'd do their part to get the word out, have a marketing plan by Monday, and be screaming about it to the world by August.
We are stuck in a contract with a company that is more excited about tea and gems than what they can do with the holy grail of fibers. what's their plan? Well, evidently it's to not say shit and hope people magically learn about it through social media sites that have lower traffic than the average teenager gets from posting what they had for breakfast.
Here's what you say to Kings... "Hey, thanks guys. but we aren't making silk so that it can sit in your warehouses while your lazy asses try to sell it. you can still have the ASEAN exclusive for now, but we've got to cut a deal with someone who actually has a vision."
that's it. that's all we have to say to them. Wait...not just that... we also have to tell them to shove that six rating up their lazy asses.
.
I’m pretty sure there’s no marketing school out there that teaches you to stay silent while your partner has the greatest successes in its history.
Kings is asleep. Dump them and move on! Now.
It was paused. Yes. We know. So why the F does WW think it’s okay to say publicly that the relationship is mediocre?
If he can say that, he can fix that.
I would love kings to prove me wrong. I’m expecting “ho hum” from spydasilk as well. Because Wee is “ho hum” now.
AND… really. Go to the M the movement site and attempt to buy something. It doesn’t work. Hasn’t for weeks. Possibly longer.
It’s past time to be frustrated. It’s kind of like having an election coming up and discovering your candidate has dementia. LOL
DS is coming and our partner can’t wake up. Let’s dump his ass and find another.
As far as knowledge of communication with shareholders go, there’s only one who actually claims it. That was the widely known idiot fraudster DiamondHealer who outed himself on Facebook.
As far as other shareholders go, I’m only assuming that some of the few he’s replied to publicly are shareholders.
So WW HAS spoken publicly about KBLB. Irrelevant whether they were shareholders or not.
NADs notwithstanding, if he was able to publicly rate KBLB as mediocre on LinkedIn without violating the “radio silence” then there’s no reason he can’t amend that rating in light of latest developments.
Yes. Was public. On LinkedIn.
Same place WW publicly praises other business partners but can’t manage to give a shout out to KBLB for a single thing.
I know the contract isn’t void. My point is it SHOULD be void. If Wee can’t be bothered to say boo about KBLB then it’s clear he does not know what his partner is producing.
The entire world waits for recombinant spider silk… except for Kings group. And i challenge anyone to give me evidence that they have it in them to launch a marketing campaign for ANY product. Let alone a market disruptor.
#dumpkings
It’s a slam.
I do agree they spent all that money on a fashion show years ago and things didn’t go so well. So I’d have been pissed too.
However, I’m told that I’m not being fair by Kings bashing because they had an agreement to be silent. Oh? Walter didn’t get the memo?
There was a time Kraig needed Kings. That’s over. WW needs to do some major backpedaling and he can start by acting like he’s part of a partnership.
Maybe I’m judging WW too harshly. I was a soldier. And an agreement to STFU means STFU. Maybe that means something different to WW. He views an agreement to remain silent as something he can decide to violate on a whim.
No matter what, they are still a shitty partner. The MtM shopping site doesn’t work. We are not in good hands.
#dumpkings
“ I can't imagine Kim dishonoring Kings, it just isn't going to happen,…”
Kings drew first blood in the dishonoring game with the public “6” rating after both companies agreed to stop marketing and go silent.
If Kings had any honor, WW would at least amend the rating and act like he’s got a dog in this fight.
WW is also supposedly exchanging DMs with a few shareholders and leading them to believe great things are coming. I respect him even less knowing this. If one shareholder can be told something, we all can.
If silence was the agreement, Walter Wee weally weeally sucks at it! His behavior has dishonored himself along with KBLB.
“Kblb and Kings TOGETHER decided to stop marketing. You are beating Kings up for abidiing by their agreement with kblb,”
I know about this decision to stop marketing.
I’m beating up kings because they violated the radio silence by publicly slamming Kraig labs. That’s total bullshit. Everyone knows it. There’s no need to defend Kings for that.
I have looked at all of Kings media pages and I rate their chances of being good at marketing at a 1 out of 10. Just look at facebook and see how many likes and shares they get for anything. Almost zero.
Also, go to M the Movement site and try to buy something. You can’t. You can’t even put anything in your shopping cart. This is the company that is going to market DS? You have GOT to be kidding me.
https://www.mthemovement.com/product/cashmere-scarf-wtonal-chenille-embroidery/
#dumpkings
Thanks. I know they are still working with Kings. I just want Kings to speak up and at least act like they have a plan. There are better known companies out there that would gladly have their spot in line for DS.
They can’t at least give a shout out to KBLB? It’s past time to start creating a buzz.
I’d like to see Kings kicked to the curb for a partner that gives a crap.
“Why can’t they expand in both countries simultaneously?”
They can. The biggest hurdles are behind us. Now it really is a drop in replacement.
“that we will get an announcement this year or next that we will be licensing with India to produce our silk. Seems Thompson is in an awful hurry to ramp up quickly. Clearly he’s anticipating some large orders in the future. Licensing in India would be a great way to ramp up fast. Maybe a different worm? “
Agreed. 100%
He wants shareholders to know that rapid expansion plans are already in the works so that we aren’t in the dark about how soon other contracts can be signed and filled after Kings is maxed out.
https://www.textiletechnology.net/fibers/news/kraig-biocraft-scaling-up-spider-silk-production-facilities-36016
Nice to get more eyes on this. Textile Technology has been following closely...
The biotechnology company, Kraig Biocraft has announced it reached full capacity at its existing production location, signaling the next phase of its expansion plan. Progressing with its proposed investment in additional production facilities, the company plans to further boost its spider silk production capabilities.
Kraig Biocraft Laboratories, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI/USA, began planning for this factory expansion after observing the robust growth of its new spider silk hybrids in spring trials. The expansion project will roll out in 2 stages. Initially, the focus will be on addressing immediate capacity needs for the ensuing rainy seasons to ensure continued production. The subsequent larger project will cater to the company's long-term needs for hatchery space, with future production requirements in mind for the next 12-18 months.
Having secured permits for both projects, construction has begun with the first venture expected to conclude in the following weeks. The larger segment is planned to be completed by early fall 2024. The goal of these expansions is to meet the ambitious spider silk production targets set for 2024.
Kraig Biocraft expects to begin the third wave of recombinant spider silk production this month, focusing on scaling up the output of the parental lines for its production hybrids. The company has achieved a series of scientific breakthroughs in spider silk technology with implications for the global textile industry.
“Gibberish” is exactly right. I couldn’t get past his not knowing the difference between “liable” and “libel”.
The oracle of Omaha says:
I love these dips. Grabbing shares on a dip during an obvious uptrend that’s confirmed by both news AND technicals with emerging disruptive technology? No brainer.
Look at the where KBLB is in the process, look at the market needs for the product, and ask yourself where KBLB will be in 5-10 years. Pull the trigger and walk away.
I was having trouble posting a link from YouTube as well. Everyone should take Warren’s advice. Hope this works
https://youtube.com/shorts/-pqruFp6y7k?si=Uvtfss8H6pezO5Yd" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" >insert-text-here
Some just aren’t cut out for stock ownership. They’re easy to identify on days like today.
"They have shown zero interest with all of the latest Kraig developments."
Exactly. Obviously, they need to remain silent about some things. But the partnership is public knowledge so sharing one of Kraig's PRs and at least acting like they have a dog in this fight wouldn't violate any gag order. It's way past time to lose the attitude.
Go look at their facebook posts. They get fewer likes than the average poster here on ihub. Really. Absolutely NO ONE seems to give a crap what's going on at Kings group. Nike, Adidas, North Face, etc can't wait to begin marketing. Way past time to tell Kings where they can shove their shit attitude.
Let’s make Kings bashing great again!
We’ve been assured that Kings is still partnered with Kraig Labs to launch the next biggest thing in textiles! I sure hope not. Because they sure do a great impression of a partner that doesn’t give a crap about all the great news.
Here are some things they do care about…
“We are proud that this initiative by FJ Benjamin Ltd and KINGS Group features RegalRare Gem Museum and their collaboration with 'Fashion For A Social Cause' to adopt a souvenir corner at the Museum.”
“Exciting news! 🌿🍵 Kings Group is venturing into the world of alternative asset investments with a USD$30 million investment in vintage Pu'Er Tea! “
Wow! Some gems and some Tea! That’s just wonderful.
#dumpkings! #MakeKingsBashingGreatAgain!
Yeah. Going dark a week wouldn’t be a great look for traders that care about daily movement.
The base here is comprised more of longs who only care about what the company will look like in years ahead. Sooner would be great but the whims of the traders won’t make them flinch.
I enjoy the buying opportunities created by the traders though.
No wrong answer. The narrative is in place and “the” news isn’t expected quite yet.
Anyone here for years is here til the current narrative plays out. Price action is still irrelevant to most. Longs are appreciative of the dips.
I think Kim’s got news that could really move the share price but it’s evident that he’s holding off a bit longer til there are zero doubts about production ability.
I believe Kim is in a position now to convince new partners of a credible production timeline and could easily make a deal that would send the share price above a dollar. He’s just holding back a bit longer to get the production numbers to prove how rapidly he can scale up. He’ll have a bit more leverage negotiating if he waits.
If news next week then great. If not, I don’t care. It will arrive soon enough.
“KBLB will be making cotton/DS blends for a while now. They have made that very clear.”
Yes. We know. And we know why.
But if things aren’t happening the way you want, I suggest selling out
FFS quit being such a crybaby
"Did Polartec ask for Pima cotton/silk blends?"
No. Polartec didn't ask for a Pima blend to anyone's knowledge. But if they do, we'll oblige.
We'll also oblige anyone who wants pure DS.
Just knock it off. If you quit rambling like a lunatic, people wouldn't dog you all the time.
I'm sorry you got bullied in high school. But now I know why you got the crap kicked out of you all the time.
You need to turn down the crazy.
They all signed up for recombinant spider silk and they can’t get it so they’re settling for grape nuts.
Kraig is reading the multitude of market reports that say how huge the market is for recombinant spider silk. And that’s exactly what they’re going to launch this year.
I’ve been searching for the market reports that say the world is waiting for mushroom leather, but I haven’t found it yet.
I can't imagine. If they did it was someone on his own and he didn't buy much. And these guys would be too ashamed to admit to a friend that they invested in an OTC stock. I have a very old friend who's spent his entire career in asia underwriting deals for startups. Those deep pockets don't do anything for under 50 million.
When I asked him about Kraig labs a decade ago, he wouldn't give it a hearing. Immediately he dismissed it as bullshit. His exact words were, "there are billions of dollars sitting around just waiting to drop money on the next big thing in biotech. the fact that this company had to go begging for money on the OTC means it's worthless." Alrighty then... so i dropped the subject. A couple years later when we talked again, he said (unsolicited) "tell me you don't still own that spider silk stock". I laughed it off and said, "not to worry... I'm good." which meant nothing but he thought i was saying that i was out.
Just so happens that I met with him for breakfast this spring. I was tempted to bring it up again given recent news. I didn't bother. He's got plenty of money now anyway. I'll catch him next time he's back in the USA and if KBLB has made the leap to the NAZ, I'll definitely bring it up then.
The top spider silk scientist in the world stabbed Kim in the back and forced him onto the OTC. There's no doubt in my mind that Kim wants to stick it to all these deep pockets that dismissed him as a crackpot thanks to the former collaborator/top spider silk scientist.
So when will the deep pockets be noticing? The only way to grab the attention of the real money is to secure a government contract or cut a deal with a huge company. They'll listen then. It's not just a credible production timeline those guys are waiting for, they are waiting for a credible witness to say they've pulled it off. And I don't think Kings will be enough to attract global attention. Hope I'm wrong.
I'll stop here before I turn this into another Kings bashing post. (but Walter still couldn't manage to give an attaboy to Kim after Monday's PR)
"Spiber is technically not a fraud or a scam"
No. Not legally anyway. Even though, pursuing the holy grail of fiber was how they got funded. How disappointing to invest in a spider silk company, see the product launch, read the label and... NO SPIDERS! NO SILK! WTH!!?
Kind of like buying Grape Nuts cereal. Open the box...No grapes, no nuts!
Exactly. I've been saying for years that the day Kraig's success is widely known, the VCs that funded those protein brewers will be on the phone with their CEOs wondering how the penny stock guy was able to do what he did with those worms when they were told all along not to pay any attention to little old Kraig Labs. They were also told the same by the top spider silk scientist in the world!
Their next phone call will be to Kim Thompson. And Kim will enjoy telling them they're free to buy shares on the OTC just like everyone else. Unless they want to settle for a few of the shares they can grab at the reoffering when they jump exchanges. Which, as we've seen in the S1, would be a tiny fraction of what they dumped on the protein brewers
Their chance to get KBLB on the cheap will be over very soon.