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so, this board has become an insult fest. no one knows anything concrete for sure, and the lines of supportive vs
disbelieving are drawn hard and fast, so what is there left to do? either repeat the same stuff along party lines or
insult the 'opposition.'
thus, among those investors or potential investors in lightwave i'm acquainted with, no one even reads the boards anymore--or at least
admits that they do.
i know i don't either. what burns me up this sunday night as i look ahead to the coming week is that i think it's more likely that the pps
will fall into the high three dollar range than that news of a deal will be announced.
bah humbug!
it hurts...
ruuds. bottoms? not even close. news? who knows? likely soon? doubtful. what to do? twist in the wind. options?
sell and take a huge loss. hold and twist and hope like crazy.
plan? forget about it and enjoy. long-term plan? none.
glta
nrdc92. you've been far more prescient than the lightwave enthusiasts on this and other message boards.
but at this point it's almost bad form to poke at proto, he's put so much time and energy and emotion into lightwave and everything
michael lebby.
the descent is happening much faster than i anticipated. by november this looks like it'll be below two bucks, possibly below one
dollar and evidently there isn't anything lightwave or lebby can or will do about it.
no significant entity seems interested in being a customer or partnering--why this is i've no idea. but if lebby had anything concrete, he'd
find a way to use it to steady the sinking pps instead of spouting off about 'ubiquitous.'
i've lost so much money i've sworn that never again will i even consider any outsider analysis when making an investment.
nrdc92, i've no idea whether you are a lightwave shareholder, let alone how big an investor you are, but you certainly saw right
through the hype, and identified the red flags for what they are.
thank you isn't in order because while i appreciated your hard-eyed view, i ignored it where it counts. $.
yes kinzaman, we sure would!
also, what's been going on for months, this steadily dropping pps, it really makes the size and the times of
those bonuses egregious. quite possible unethical. nothing has caused me to doubt lebby's managerial
abilities more.
he's having a great time at shareholder's expense--and he's set for life.
i'm glad for him, but embittered too...
i think without news of a deal this will drop into the two dollar range. and since the likelihood of news is dim and growing
dimmer by the week and by the month, things look grim for us longs. once nasdaq sends a non compliance notice
it'll be total open season as opposed to this agonizing drip torture.
no company would let this happen unless it couldn't do anything about it. lebby's excited proclamations are beginning to feel
like a kick in the teeth.
viking.
biel is on fumes, it's final fumes.
there are so many real viable companies, with legit executives, legit bods, doing actual business. biel has long been
a whelan operation, run by and for the family, of interest only to a group of never-say-die posters on
this and other message boards.
they should be left alone. their hopefulness, their belief, their optimism, it's worth at least as much as money. not
if you are a shareholder or a potential investor, but as a living, breathing human being.
except when i'm angry at myself for buying--and holding--biel, i envy them...
om, as if lightwave needed any more trouble. the company as an investment is in a downward spiral. management is silent in
terms of communicating to shareholders because only revenue, only some kind of verifiable deal with concrete numbers will
change the market's perception--on top of which, institutions are manipulating as they always do and shorts are cashing in on
this utterly vulnerable entity.
as low volumes indicate, longs are holding strong. however, one piece of really upsetting or outright bad news affecting the company's possible
implementation and widespread commercialization, and there will be a total eviseration.
it is such an anxious time to be holding here.
my fingers hurt from crossing them so tightly...
meanwhile spartex et al. your optimism is laudable. much of the positive analysis and interpretation is perceptive and
intelligent.
yet where the pps is going is down with no bottom in sight. the market is largely perception and that right now is not at all good.
the longs like myself who read and post on this and other message boards, we're more and more looking like bagholders.
2024 is such a long ways away. this could easily drop to fifty cents--one really terrible event that rattles the whole
market and this will be toast.
evidently there isn't a thing lebby or lightwave can do to affect what's happening--except make the sort of deal they've never
made...
proto et al. every single stock is manipulated. there are thousands of professional traders and there are computer algorithms set
up to recognize and take advantage, in some cases down to 1/32 of a point.
naturally, lwlg is a sitting duck. no revenue, a spec tech that has no buzz, that no customer has said, we'll be doing business with
them at x time--all it's got from a retail investor's standpoint are the proclamations of the ceo of the company. the big funds that
have bought in have an interest in dropping the pps so they can buy more--in the hope that deals/news will pop it big. and then
there are the shorts, who represent an enormous position, and who have done nothing except win win win, while longs lose lose
lose.
it's ugly, it's scary, it'll get worse and worse unless and until lebby comes through. how he and the company relate to the public and
especially to shareholders--a sentence or two about shareholder value at the tail-end of prs, does not inspire confidence. in fact,
as a ceo/businessman/executive, he looks amateurish and to some disastrously incompetent.
these next 6-8 months will either be stomach turning or something better, hopefully much much better. fingers crossed!!!!!
freud had more brains than everyone on this board combined by a multiple.
so thanks xenalives for your complimentary sarcasm.
ya think maybe mapping out the way humans actually are, albeit making plenty of mistakes next to a gargantuan contribution
to our understanding of ourselves, is slightly more meaningful than disputing a company's prospects--any company,
including one whose contribution will be cheaper, faster, cleaner, no matter what the applications?
so much of your life is tied up with a company you aren't even employed by but might possibly profit from if it
succeeds. i guess when it comes to wasting life it's as good a way as any.
guys. no one would reply to ted if you weren't defensive and worried. anyone living in this world with their eyes open
knows how quickly anything can go completely sideways... including lwlg's prospects.
the pps is depressed for many reasons; hopefully it'll get very healthy before some event or events occur that
pull the rug out from under.
right now you all are like a family arguing endlessly. nobody gives an inch and it is the arguing itself that matters, completely
unrelated to anything or anyone outside the spellbinding family circle.
kelly will not post another pr before biel becomes extinct.
i'd bet serious money on that if it were possible.
bobby. why can't some of you look into companies worth investing money and time into where you have some chance
of making money? though interest in a company such as biel is a pretty strong indication that there are emotional-psychological
issues that supercede any rational investing or increase in one's portfolio value.
i bought 10 million shares years ago, can't believe i didn't sell in the run-up to .008, long ago realized the whelans manage biel in a
manner that cannot produce results--meaning the only outlook will be when it finally goes to .0001, i'll sell and use the
tax loss.
i only write this as a way to partly deal with my failure to capitalize on the run-up and whatever other negative thoughts come
with holding shares in biel. i realize there isn't anything, possibly including bankruptcy, that would affect the biel belief of the edbis, toohots,
bobbys of this world--you all love biel and that's that.
all i can say is best of luck in general to all of you!
toohot. i would love to see a nice biel run. but what on earth or in heaven would cause this to happen? at this point, what
conceivable scenario would result in real investors putting money into a company that...
i won't waste the time or energy to spell out what's gone on these last years. and what has not.
if the pps ever climbs back to .001 i will eat crow until i choke...
it is amazing, it is confounding, it is in a way wonderful how human beings are able to keep faith no matter what happens...
sonata.
proto is very smart, but when it comes to this company he knows only one way to be. i'm one of those who bought a lot more
than i would've thanks to posters like him. i shouldn't say like him, because no one else spends as much time and energy, no
one else parse's every utterance made by the ceo, who might as well be a saint or prophet or oracle as far as he's concerned,
no one else seems to live and breathe lwlg. i wonder what he does otherwise? in his free time, meaning when he's not
pushing lwlg?
things look very bad for my investment at this point. i do not blame proto or any of the other devotees--i blame myself for
putting so much of my very limited money into a company because i read smart, educative posts on a public message board.
bobby. what's the diff what anybody posts?
it's been so long that kelly has had anything to pr, or do more than tweet stuff that's dubious at best, that the possibility
biel will emerge from the .0003-.0005 range is slight.
it's not even known whether anyone is actively working at the company, or whether there is anyone who would fall into the category
of 'employee.'
biel has stagnated for more years than i can remember, despite fda approvals, joint ventures with much bigger companies, and the
overall efficacy of its excellent products.
all could come to an end at any time--or it could run on fumes for who knows how long. one thing is a bit newish: the way it trades, nobody,
including the whelans and day traders, has made any money. not for quite awhile.
zdog, thanks for the permission to think whatever i want to. what am i going to do with this freedom you've so generously
granted me?
here's one statement of my perspective: i neither believe nor disbelieve--i'm very hopeful good things, lots of good things
will occur. and once they do i'll be very glad. if they do not, i'll be the opposite of very glad because i've long held what is for me a
large position in lwlg.
i admit i shouldn't post--my infrequent posts are nothing more than a way of expressing my frustration and anxiety. others here
seem to have a variety of different agendas--none of which affect my hopefulness or my frustration or my anxiety.
glta!
the market is indifferent to lwlg's ceo making predictions. ceo's are supposed to shout optimism from the rooftops. lebby is
a highly respected scientist and a very upbeat guy. however, there isn't a single thing that points to him or the others in management
being able to make a deal that involves substantial revenue for the company.
who knows when or what will happen? it has been so so long--with no end, either positive or negative, in sight.
those of you who cashed in when the pps shot up--well done!
youngkim. i agree kelly is endlessly vindictive; isn't even that she could care less about shareholders, she actually doesn't want any
of the longs she thinks were such a thorn in her father's side to do well.
there is also the problem that she has no idea how to grow biel. no talent for this job that would require a very energetic, very talented ceo
to get biel going. and there is no way she'd step aside. even if for some incredible reason a great business executive, a steve jobs with
fire in their eyes and absolute belief in biel's products, decided to hitch their wagon to making biel a success.
she's stuck in tight for the duration and we shareholders are stuck in with her. i used to daydream that some superstar athlete or actor or
musician would be so grateful for what actipatch did for them that they'd represent the products for free, become the face of the company,
soon joined by other famous people.
honestly, kelly being kelly, she might be compelled to undermine even that fantasy...
hey gimme g. is there really such a thing as spouting nonsense when it comes to biel? i've owned millions of shares going on
15 years and things like frustration or incomprehension are not even visible in the rear view mirror anymore.
if i had to ask one question of any of bielievers or even fence-sitters, it would be this: do you think we shareholders will ever hear from anyone in some
kind of biel management position, paid or unpaid, again?
i know it's unanswerable, still, it's the only question i'd be personally interested in hearing speculations about.
nrdc. so far you are just so right. i hate it but it is true. will it turn around????????????????
pit, your post is right on.
it's scary here and only getting scarier.
for investors there is no way to know which direction the pps will go--except in the short term
evidently since the likelihood of significant good news now seems to hover around zero in the
total absence of buzz...
x. your response is perfectly reasonable. i always respect your position and have learned from you.
still, i'll hold to what i posted, yet as a longtime long in lwlg, will continue to hope hope hope that
you prove to be right right right!
sometime reasonably soon would be very nice...
there is only one question: why no deal?
lwlg will sail into labor day with a pps significantly lower than it is now if no deal is announced.
the present pps could easily be seen as way high for a company that has never made a single verified
dollar.
i know a number of investment savvy finance people who aren't shorting the stock but who wouldn't
touch it with a ten foot pole because they insist there is no reason to think anyone is willing to do
business with them.
putting serious money somewhere based on what any ceo says about the company they manage
is nuts. hedge funds make so many different kinds of investments, including speculative gambles wherein
the possibility of a big home-run exists--especially in biotech and tech. if the funds holding lwlg decide to sell, we're talking crater city.
why no deal, dr. lebby, why no deal?
and so begins another week. of silence?
yes tedpeele. unfortunately, yes. possibly dismally, yes.
except for posters posting prattle, another silent week. another week of silence.
it's lucky you all have each other. minimal and strange though they are, they are relationships.
bonds of mutuality and agreed upon perspective, bonds of insult, disagreement, and acrimony,
all forged out of the occasional mixed messages and seemingly endless company silences.
next week? heaven forfend--more of the same...
at least have a good weekend everybody!
yes theroc66 and pp. also, wouldn't it be nice if dr. lebby saw fit to give us a sense of what he's been
up to as specifically as possible? and tell us suffering shareholders--speaking of myself here--something
about how he thinks things are going? an open letter to shareholders, a facebook posting, a tweet? not
going to happen, not really in the realm of possibility--yet, wouldn't it be nice?
so we enter another week, another week with almost no hope anything will be announced that has
to do with revenue--that is, an actual, verifiable deal with a customer.
there is no real when, there is only a too real whether: will they or won't they?
leonberger's sale of 49,000 shares was utterly deflating for me. to me it screamed, 'there will not be
a meaningful deal for a very long time.'
anybody who suggests i should just sell and get lost, however impolitely it was expressed, i wouldn't think of it as was bad advice--but after all these years of waiting, i just couldn't bear it if a deal was announced shortly thereafter.
what a predicament...
yes art2426, it is mind boggling.
it almost august, 2023, biel is trading between .0004 and .0005, there has been no communication
from the company in months, the ceo has done nothing meaningful in 3-4 years, there are fewer than
200 total shareholders, no sales, no advertising, no marketing strategy, 24 billion shares held by
the ceo and family, notes to cover, large debts...
all in all, looking good. bright future. reasons aplenty to spend time posting. only people with
full, good lives follow this gem. love it, hate it, devote time to it.
wish i could meet each and every one of you biel posters, just to satisfy my curiosity. i mean, who
are you??????????
infuriating and scary.
like losing your compass in the woods through sheer carelessness.
nrdc92 and proto: you two are excellent opposites. the two completely different perspectives on
lwlg:
one an an articulate investor, the other an articulate scientist.
the way the stock is trading up to this point nrdc's perspective is winning.
i pray proto's will prove to be right before too much longer.
no vein, no hit piece.
just the market reacting to no news, no deal, nothing except a bunch of proclamations made by
the scientist ceo who has been making proclamations for awhile without anything concretely
commercial happening. if nothing changes in next two months, i've said this could go to one dollar--why not? or lower...
proto. i agree with everything you say. but:
that doesn't change my basic point.
which i probably should not have posted--i did so out of frustration--partly from not taking my own advice
which has been to stop spending more than 10 seconds with lwlg until there is significant news
that relates to commercialization or...
proto. i wish you'd stop. just be patient and believe. silent belief would be more convincing--not that
anything you or others post affects the pps of lwlg. people who wear religion on their sleeves do
so out of desperation and fear and doubt...
oleblue. it's not like it's such a stretch to sour on lwlg. it has been so long in coming!
one either believes photonics will be adopted--or not.
one either believes michael lebby's predictions/proclamations--or not.
the market mostly does not. shorts have dominated and won--meaning made money--for a long
time.
not a single person knows how this is going to go. not any poster or investor or even the employees
of lwlg--including dr. lebby.
it is unlnowable and as a start-up tech, it is highly speculative--a gamble for shareholders, especially
longs such as myself.
i've said it before: it's best not to watch this day to day; wait for announcements about deals or
announcements that indicate lwlg is unlikely to succeed commercially.
it might be a long wait--like everything lwlg...
glta!!!!
nrdc92. sure is. it's getting old, i'm getting old, everybody waiting is too.
patience is an important virtue, though with stocks, it can also be a form of stubbornness that leads to
big losses. for awhile now the crux is that after waiting for so long, it would really be a mind-bender to
sell then have to watch it take off.
a tough spot for sure..
mr positive. i've owned millions of shares of biel for almost 15 years. you think i'm proud of that.
i've lost 84% of my investment. with no sign i'll recoup. why i post is purely out of frustration, to let
off a little steam about a company that hasn't been run like a publicly traded company. the whelans, they
have done pretty well for themselves. the rest of us bagholders--we're waiting to be euthanized. it's
much worse for those who believe something will change here, some near miracle will occur.
woop. the buying has dried up. only one direction for pps until deal announced. totally perplexing why
deal so elusive. some deal, any deal. viewed in the context of company claims it is cognitive dissonance.
forget ubiquity--just some deal, any deal...
srin. fine, except they don't communicate to shareholders at all.
i can sure understand buying and using the fine products. thinking about biel as an investor or
investment or even as a real company that attempts to function as a business--that i don't get.
i've owned millions of shares for 15 years--if i'd let myself take biel seriously i'd be miserable, if
not dead.
how long has it been with no pr? no letter to investors from management? no serious communication
of any kind from the company?
can anyone remember?
will biel ever again communicate to shareholders?
i wish i could understand why this doesn't bother some of you posters. in fact, it even seems to stoke
your positive outlook and opinion of the company.
in a way, that's so cool.