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proto. what happens if nothing happens in may? then june, july, august etc.? what will you
think?
the stock is not acting one bit like any kind of grail, let alone the holy grail. i'm not doubting
your understanding nor acumen, but do you think it's possible science will not win out?
so much of this world, and so often in business, is science ignored, 'trumped' by other
considerations.
anyway, what happens if nothing happens in may?
it's always such a pleasure to get conned. if somebody stole 20 bucks from anybody on the
street, people think that criminal belongs in jail. people who lie and swindle and con us out
of thousands of dollars, somehow we feel, that's on us. but you know what?
it's them who belong in prisons. being dishonest smart vs desperate, as a society we cage the
desperate while driving past the big houses of the moral reptiles? what a fine state of affairs...
it's always such a pleasure to get conned. if somebody stole 20 bucks from anybody on the
street, people think that criminal belongs in jail. people who lie and swindle and con us out
of thousands of dollars, somehow we feel, that's on us. but you know what?
it's them who belong in prisons. being dishonest smart vs desperate, as a society we cage the
desperate while driving past the big houses of the moral reptiles? what a fine state of affairs...
dude. the bonuses, jim's selling behavior, the lack of insider buying, these are terribly
worrisome.
there are lots of reasons to be skeptical about lwlg's commercial future, but nothing worries
me as an investor more than those issues.
we continuously build anticipation, then pffft--nothing, not even a pr. why is the asm going to
be any different? because if it isn't, this will get creamed. not even proto will be able to
spin that as the goal posts move back beyond the horizon.
shorts have been ascendant for so long, there hasn't been a single sign that things are turning
and they're even wavering. us longs, we have belief and hope, the shorts, they're making
money, quite a lot of it actually...
oh boy!?!
simpsonly. well said!
and don't forget, kelly was raised by andy. unlikely she'd be anything
but combative, stubborn, unwilling to consider anything beyond her compulsions. in other
words, she is her father's daughter, which undermines the potential of biel the company,
is devastating for shareholders and is a sky blocking red flag for investors.
she's rather die than change...
thanks lightning. that makes sense.
jeunke and proto and others. i'm confused about the participation in investor conferences.
i've no idea what's holding deals up, but if lwlg has customers close to readiness to do
business, why participate in these conferences? what's in it for them?
thank you.
daytime. a debacle, yes. it has been the whelans, it has always been the whelans. no company and no product no matter how fabulous would survive their ownership/management style.
they've squeezed what money they could out. andy was at least passionate--a super bieliever,
but a poor businessman. kelly? she's just a smart, very angry piece of work who might be
a good accountant--which is the job she belongs in.
art. short of the sort of thing that people call a miracle, like steph curry or tom brady saying
repeatedly, publicly that they've been healed by actipatch; that or a branch of
the military deciding to spend millions
for this non addictive pain reliever per annum, the only possible scenario for a significant
rise in the pps would be if the whelans turned complete control of the company, including
their 20 billion (20 billion!!!) shares, over to a competent, dedicated, honest, creative person
or group. and that ain't gonna happen. kelly would rather die or see biel disappear--which is
what's coming. maybe not soon, but up the road a piece.
and when i say significant rise, i'm not talking, .005--that's way high for this ludicrous share
structure and all those note holders...more like, .0015. that's 3x what it can't really hold
now...
very very few companies rise from where cbdd has sunk to. it happens, but it is
rare. besides the pps, there is nothing except confusion and dilution. neither marcel nor
paul could get a grip on a serious business plan and communicate how it was being
executed ongoingly. what happens generally with entities such as this is a few people
do whatever they can to squeeze as much money as they can out, which is the only
reason they keep it alive, albeit barely breathing for as long as they can.
if there was a definite, clear-eyed, determined, hardworking, competent, and thoroughly
honest, above board person at the helm, at this level the company would be an attractive
investment for those who like pinkie longshots.
as is, well...
glta
yes ddls. you have been right all along, wasting god knows how much of your life being right
about something that is of zero consequence to anyone not in the whelan family.
the chance of being struck twice by lightning is greater than the chance that the pps
of biel will ever rise to .001 again.
kelly whelan's responses to valid questions belong in the ceo hall of fame.
xena. the market has been manipulated for as long as...and with computers, the
manipulation has gotten easier. it's more manipulated than ever. but what is going on
with lwlg, this speculative stock that rose on the wings of pure belief and hope without
having earned a dollar of revenue, without receiving venture capital money--basically with
nothing except the brainy proclamations of its brilliant ceo...what's happening actually is
comparatively rational and sensible. investors think there may be no there there. except
for all that jacked up hope and belief, there is not a single reason to think otherwise.
i hate what's happening. the buyers are gone. belief, even among the diehards, it's either
wavering or turning 180.
i'll stop now. i'm hurt and angry and a lot poorer. and it's entirely my fault, which makes it
much harder to take.
good luck!
and so, the scramble to get out begins. not quite yet, but on the verge. from ugly to uglier and
possibly omg...and i'll bet we do not hear a peep from management. after all, they own
hardly any shares...
nrdc92. i do not think management has anything positive from an investor's standpoint
to step up with. depending on your perspective, lebby's proclamations are either those of
a pie-eyed optimist or a blowhard or...well, i like and respect the man too much to accuse
him of possibly being anything worse. i wanted to believe so i believed. i had plenty of
opportunities to sell and make a nice profit. it's me and how i operate that i better worry
about. presumably i can have some control and learn from my mistakes.
sad. there's no bottom. what investors want from a ceo, we're not getting. lebby enjoys
his life immensely. he's completely disconnected from what a lot of us longtime investors
have been going through. watching lwlg sink and sink and maybe sink back to the days
when it couldn't get to a dollar is awful. not for him, but for those of us who've made it
possible for him to enjoy himself the way he does. on his part there's no malice, no sickness of any kind, just the typical human ability to rationalize and be self involved. asking him to feel our
pain and do something about it is as absurd as waiting for the asm. that day of reckoning
is going to be the real bottoming out--of so many hopes and beliefs. but it'll only be temporary.
enough people, oldies and newbies, will find ways to spin this forward. lebby will roll on, as
will the company. probably.
youngkim, thank you for posting what in an oblique way says everything anyone a little bit
sane needs to know about biel and who and how its ceo, kelly whelan, operates. she is
just smart enough to not be prosecuted throughout her career in business, but is an
angry, unhappy person from whom it is utterly absurd to expect anything positive. in the
executve ranks there are plenty like her, some of whom get what's coming to them, most of
whom do quite well or very well in their business lives. their personal lives are another
matter. i feel bad for kelly, i just wish i'd never invested in the company she and her family have
mismanaged to their own advantage since the beginning. better for me would've been to
have simply written a check, rather than agonize for years over biel's sad history and sad present that will soon finally come to an end.
carlinnm. sounds good. you're the sort of investor i'm comfortable with. i apologize for
posting my distress; doesn't do anybody a lick of good, but your sane response makes
it worthwhile.
best of luck with lwlg and everything else! chsmoke
carlinnm. opinions. beliefs. hopes. understanding. ignorance. frustration. anger. humans
have them, are them, feel them.
in the next two months this will fall between a buck and a buck fifty if there is no announcement that's very different than anything that's come before.
if lebby then doesn't deliver at the asm, it'll go below 50cents, possibly way below. some will
view all this as a wonderful buying opportunity.
others will view it as another tech start-up speculation that didn't pan out.
that's what makes horse races.
good points pitcook!
i'm not going to address your query and consternation because as things stand i'm simply
too worried about the company and my significant investment. until lwlg either succeeds
or fails, not one person knows how this is going to play out. in other words, everyone
including lebby is in the same boat--i'll call it the 's.s. hindsight is 20/20.' so basically, mums the
word...
time and time again i've told myself that i'll never again invest in a speculative start-up in tech or
pharma, but evidently i've got hearing problems.
vein. he would if he could. complaining is a good way to cope with your very
justifiable anxiety. the way this is trading, it's a scary speculative investment. that
insiders hold so few shares and don't buy more. that the great big world of techies
aren't jumping in, it's scary. i could go on and on about the nervous making signs,
but that wouldn't make me or anybody else feel better about how things are looking.
for me, worst of all are ceo lebby's big pronouncements versus his complete silence
about concrete business guidance, including any mention of the headwinds that thus
far are blowing this thing backwards.
i liked steve43 too. and there aren't a lot of positive anythings to say about death. but
biel being the company it is, with the management it has, and at this point its virtually
inevitable death, is not something steve43 would've liked to be around to see. as it was,
the company frustrated him completely, as it has and as it does anybody with even the
remotest connection to the reality of its history and the whelans.
now it's struggling to maintain a pps of .0005. i think kelly will declare bankruptcy on twitter
before it reaches .0001. though she's a strange bird and who knows? get your patches
while you can!!!
proto. do you think this will totally crater? it sure might. if there's no deal before or
announced at the asm, it could go back under a buck. you and a few others who are
very knowledgeable about the science do not have a better idea of whether the company
will ever do what it has never done than all those who are completely ignorant about the
science.
will lwlg be a business success story? there isn't a person in this world who knows the
answer, but there is no shortage of people on all sides who'll throw reasons/rationalizations
at the wall no matter what happens. hindsight will be 20/20 as usual.
good luck! they are an amazing little company...
bieliever. what about kw or others has ever given any shareholder a concrete reason to
be a shareholder? does she actually work? is there one person in management really
trying to do anything real-world that would affect this company's prospects? forget the
pps--that's been headed where the sun don't shine since the day kelly inherited, yes
inherited the company. the whelans got theirs--will they be able to squeeze a few thousand
more dollars out before biel bites the dust forever? probably--they're good at it. so
probably...
proto. with your vast knowledge and insight into lwlg, many of us are counting on you
to grill lebby if he doesn't offer anything new. awhile ago you said you'd do that. we're
hoping you aren't simply desperately moving the goalposts as others claim the company is
doing. i can't say in an investment situation that it's your responsibility to grill him intelligently
and forcefully, but some people will start tuning you out completely if you don't. plenty
already have--which very possibly you couldn't care less about...
please!
vein. it is silly and a little crazy to think they do not have products. they are an amazing
little company that has amazing achievements documented by a wide variety of scientifically
brilliant people.
the problem is that as an investor the investment itself is speculative. there is no way of
knowing whether they will do revenue producing business. lebby doesn't know either. in his
role as ceo he does what ceos do and are supposed to do: he speaks glowingly and
optimistically about the company's prospects. his greatness as a scientist in the field of
photonics is a separate matter, a completely different role.
there are so many good and bad signs, signs that project success, huge success, failure,
and complete failure that like so so many things, the way one assesses those signs says
something about the person evaluating the available information, but now and for many
years has literally zero bearing on how this will turn out.
there are countless safer investments; there are not nearly as many with lwlg's potential.
for an investor who doesn't actively trade in and out, it is a tough position to be in.
glta!!!!!!
how kelly whelan acts in her role as ceo of a PUBLIC company is hilarious. unless
you've got money invested! she's defensive, combative, bullying, and without talent or
motivation to be effective or even remotely competent. protecting her and her mother's
interests are everything to her, and that does not in any way line up with managing biel
in a way that might produce positive results. did i mention, she's also buried in self
rationalization? oh well...
band aid. not one person on any message board knows whether ceo kw even works.
there isn't one single piece of evidence that she does. that she even tries to make biel
a success. there is a ton of evidence she doesn't have the slightest concern for investor
value. in fact, as long as the whelans get theirs, it is entirely likely she has contempt and
may dislike the investors who keep the company barely afloat. most of the posters here
know nothing about business or what is involved running any company of any kind.
if they did, they'd be confronting kelly at least periodically, even though putting people off
is one thing kelly is good at. passive-aggressive, that she has in spades.
well bobby. because of how the company is run by the family that owns it. by the fact
that after a great many years the ask is 95 million at .0006 and it can't get there. by
the fact that not one creative thing has been done because why would it be, the whelans
make what they make off the backs of investors. there is no such thing as bashing biel.
but there are a handful of nuts who pump it year in, year out. so effectively: 95 million at
.0006 and nobody will spent ten bucks to get it there. why should they?
vein. deals are all that matter. will one be made? unknowable. our ceo's optimism, what ceo
doesn't speak about a bright, exciting future? unless they and their company are going down
the tubes--even then there is usually positive spin. all companies are vulnerable to the
perplexing complexity of market forces, but never having revenue, never closing a single
deal, that's vulnerable to the max. lebby doesn't spell out why no deal has happened--between
that and the big bonuses (for what? for being brilliant?), and the length of time, anybody who
isn't worried about their investment, well, it's a wonderful, enviable attitude/perspective to have about life in general.
vein. deals are all that matter. will one be made? unknowable. our ceo's optimism, what ceo
doesn't speak about a bright, exciting future? unless they and their company are going down
the tubes--even then there is usually positive spin. all companies are vulnerable to the
perplexing complexity of market forces, but never having revenue, never closing a single
deal, that's vulnerable to the max. lebby doesn't spell out why no deal has happened--between
that and the big bonuses (for what? for being brilliant?), and the length of time, anybody who
isn't worried about their investment, well, it's a wonderful, enviable attitude/perspective to have about life in general.
yes youngkim, exceptional, that is a good word for the ceo kelly is. another good
word might be, inmate, she'd be an exceptional inmate.
srin. it's 2023. you know so much. biel has 81 million shares on the ask at .0007. 81 million
at .0007 in 2023.
squaregrouper. it is agonizing. how long commercialization will take is unknowable. lebby is
as upbeat a guy as he is brilliant. ceos are supposed to be upbeat. the bonuses, those threw
me off, along with the lack of insider buying. 2023 may be different. i sure hope so, though
my worry is dominant now.
you have the exact same right we all have to lose our money or ????
getserious. good luck to all you bielievers! merry christmas and happy new year! i hope
2023 is a safe and healthy and generally good year no matter what happens to this little
company that has cost me a lot of money, but hasn't enough room left to cost me much
more so i'm able to focus entirely on appreciating the terrific products.
biel has gone from frustrating to agonizing--all the clearances+deals yet toilet bowl pps--to
depressing--how disastrously on every level the company is managed--to not worth giving
a thought to as it grinds to its demise.
still. merry christmas and happy new year!
market ie nasdaq drops at all, lwlg drops like a stone. when nasdaq rises a little or a lot, lwlg
struggles to tread water.
shorts are short in order to make money and they are doing just that. the market does not
believe dr. lebby, who is both very brilliant and very upbeat by nature, but thus far unproven as a
businessman/ceo. nor does the market agree with how very smart positive posters interpret lebby's statements or lwlg's prospects.
there are very compelling reasons to be skeptical, even pessimistic, and there are very compelling reasons for optimism and to invest in lwlg with all one can spare.
i'm in, i'm way down, but i'm in and will stay in until things swing one way or the other. glta
and merry christmas and happy new year! it would be all the happier if lwlg finally made
a revenue producing deal or two or six!
art2426. the way kelly whelan runs this company .0001 is soon upon us.
there is no point in debating with the posters who love biel, the mere fact
that they're able to keep being positive says a lot about them, nothing about
the company or its prospects. today there are 63 million shares on the ask
at .0007, 63 million! the shame is that the products are excellent. tho with
kelly doing whatever her thing is, it wouldn't matter if actipatch caused
eternal youth or at least reversed baldness. the whelans make enough money
to live nicely and regardless of all statements, that's the one and only thing
that matters. there are ceos capable of getting copper, possibly even silver
out of biel, tho not with this share structure, kelly whelan could run apple
into the ground. she's that good.
yes, bookem. this is a great time to buy, though it's impossible to know what
the bottom is. cbdd remains hugely promising, as does the cannabis sector
in general. i do not think it is so much that buyers are scared of cbdd now,
it's that they have no idea whether the company and the ceo has what it takes
to turn things around.
it's an if and when situation, and i'm inclined to believe good things will start
happening within the next year or so.
glta
12 or so years ago i bought millions of shares of biel. i paid .0007 for those
shares, then averaged up all the way to .0017, where i guess i wised up and stopped,
now here it is, so so much has changed, so so much is different. but good
ol biel, the stock is the same price as when i first bought in. halleluia. eureka.