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I didn't know about the "two" Gay Games:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/13/GAYGAMES.TMP
It looks like they'd all right, as long as you wash them (even though it says they are "pre-washed" and ready to eat on the packages).
OT: but in case some of you use those handy packaged salads:
I checked this out at both Snopes and MSNBC and this is correct : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12536902/
and at Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/salad.asp
NBC Dateline did a documentary on cut-up lettuce and spinach packaged in plastic bags. They took us through the whole process and talked about how the Ecoli bacteria is now showing up in the salad mix in bags. They don't know yet how the Ecoli got in, but they do know that deaths and serious sicknesses are occurring in many states.
One woman told about how her child was near death from the lettuce and was sick for a long time. They warned us not to buy any bag salads until they find out from the investigation what is causing this contamination.
The Dole Company has recalled their bags.
...We were taught the same thing, but also about Protestants. In fact, we were taught that nobody could get into Heaven without being baptized Roman Catholic, and dying in the state of sanctifying grace.
Funny that, because Roman Catholics were on the Eastern Orthodox's "suspect" list (along with the rest of the "newer" Christian religions). I was taught that the Eastern Orthodox church was the ORIGINAL old church ... and Catholics were therefore Protestants, of sort. Bet you're surprised to hear all this, huh? (the more I hear the more I have to laugh, to keep from crying ...)
That left my father out, because he was a Protestant. It's amazing the stuff they pour into young minds.
How sad - for a kid to think his father was going to go to hell. (And they don't call THAT child abuse?) It's more than amazing ... it's somewhere in the category of criminal IMO (considering how it affects so many children in a negative way ... from the threat of "hell" to sex-negative inculcation to fostering puerile "magical" thinking).
I must say the Orthodox have the most wonderful liturgy and music! The Catholics did too when I was a kid, but they dumped it all for Sister Suzanne clap-your-hands guitar music in the 60's, and never recovered...
Yes, I did like the music. It was the only thing I liked about going to church when I was a child. I believe I may have developed my taste for opera (there was music, there were sets, and there were COSTUMES!) right then and there.
... but then there's this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/us/05liberty.html
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Speaking of the founding fathers - WOWIE! - look at this (and in a daily, yet):
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-kurlansky4jul04,0,4231520.story?coll=la-home-co...
I've often thought this myself ... surely the founding fathers didn't want things to remain STATIC from 1776 on. (I mean, people didn't even know about dinosaurs back then.)
I LOVE that kind of Paine! (He was a very unpopular party guest, as well ... brought up too many serious issues, asked too many provocative questions, did not brag about how many slaves he had, and icky stuff like that - i.e., he did not uphold the view of the status quo at the time = a regular party pooper.)
A party pooper and a "paine" - that's my guy!
As a child I was a very goody-goody student in my public school classes ... but, being an immigrant who was fast learning the ways of freedom of speech in my new country, I was put into a Saturday "weekend" school where I was taught Russian culture and more advanced (than I spoke at home) Russian language. This school included some religious classes in Eastern Orthodoxy. A kindly priest (Russian priests were allowed to marry, have sex and children, BTW) taught the class. I asked this question once: Is is true that if one is a Russian Jew ... that means that person is not going to heaven? Right in front of my eyes that kindly priest turned into a kind of monster, because his answer was: yes, Jews do not go to heaven. I said that was not something I could believe - that it was mean and how could anyone believe such a thing? I was told to leave the class. My family were not Russian Jews - they were Eastern Orthodox Christians (but I knew lots of Russian Jews - both children and adults, and the prospect of them burning forever in hell made me almost physically ill). I came home early from class, and told my adults that I was kicked out of school (this was unprecedented behavior for me). To their credit, the adults never scorned or lectured me, and I never went back to that or any other Saturday "Russian school." (Of course, now - I neither believe in heaven nor hell as I am not a superstitious person ... but that was then.)
I'm no Thomas Paine - but I have long been a party pooper myself! There's a kind of power and excitement and INTEGRITY in free inquiry - I never lost my taste for it. So when I heard about Thomas Paine is some history class years later - I paid particular attention to this guy ... the more I found out about him, the more I liked him. Another one of my heroes is Robert G. Ingersoll.
You got that right, Spring ...!
Furthermore, one the the men credited for inspiring the American Revolution was Thomas Paine (a particular hero of mine). In school one time or another we have probably read these words, "These are the times that try men's souls."...:
http://www.ushistory.org/Paine/crisis/c-01.htm
And, of course, Paine also wrote a book VERY critical of the Bible - called "The Age of Reason." (As a society, one would have thought we would have reached that time by now ... but I digress.)
The other reason I absolutely love Thomas Paine is that he was one of the Founding Fathers who would NOT keep slaves. It was against all his principles. (That is what I tell people when they tell me that those Founding Fathers who kept slaves did so because they were "men of their time." I tell them so was Paine - 'of that time' - byt HE didn't believe in owning humans to do free labor for him." What a guy!
Oh, for sure ... I've got your number! It will be great to meet you both.
Today in Seattle we had one of those disgusting sunny and hot "Southern California" days ... (DK was happy, though, I'm sure - I don't even have to ask him to know that, as he's expressed his love of that kind of weather before).
91 is expected in Seattle tomorrow. I will be working in air conditioned comfort at my job - so I'll survive. Sigh. This is not usual for Seattle - but even we have our few days of heat during the summer. This town still has the best year-round weather for the likes of me, however (and I've lived in several cities in the U.S.). Portland and San Francisco are fine, too ...
Well, at least let me (and DK!) know when you plan on visiting here ...
And if BOB is that old, no wonder he's retired! (I hope to be too, at that age ...)
In that case, you need to come and move to Seattle, Jeff.
That reminds me ... there was something about Frank giving those with AIDS a break on their subscription (or free subscriptions?) to QTN? This was a while ago - I can't remember all the details, but it was when I still thought Frank was a good guy who was trying so hard to do right for equal rights for gays.
You, know ... before we all got SKUNKED.
Exactly how I feel. EXACTLY.
On that link I gave, if it doesn't come up immediately, search for "Jon Stewart hammers Bill Bennett."
Take a gander at Stewart v. Bennett (tee hee hee):
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TDS-Bennett-gay-marriage.wmv
Resounding defeat of discrimination in the Senate. I like it.
Neato DK!
No I'm not in control of my life, my wife holds my balls...don't most good women.LOL
LOL!
Of course, you know I was playing with ya' ... (and I was looking at things from my perspective ... because I am one of those women who doesn't like a lot of fol-de-rol, and that includes weddings. That's not to say I don't like getting married - I do! (and I have!) - but the ceremony (i.e., how far one goes on the Bridezilla Scale) is the "optional" part, and I've always preferred the small justice-of-the-peace venue.
Just now as I typed that the ceremony is the "optional" part, I was reminded, of course, that marriage (much less the ceremony) is far from an easy option for many gay couples ... and, of course, that's pure and simple discrimination that has caused a lot of grief - for no good reason.
"have to go to ...?" "it sucks ...?"
cur, cur, cur ... who's in control of your life (not you?)?
:)
Bon voyage, Jeff ... see ya in two weeks' time. (I have a feeling you'll have a great time ... looking forward to hearing about your trip.)
I thought everyone hated Bill. Isn't that his schtick ...?
I know of no one who takes him seriously (and I find him too irritating and illogical to listen to - this is not a nurturing atmosphere for my poor little grey cells).
Yep, some people are "tolerant" only to be polite, or because new social mores dictate it - but they're the ones whose tolerance runs skin deep. Prick that skin, and the monster emerges.
heh heh heh ...
Yes, thanks - my daughter is in town visiting from Portland, and we've had a wonderful time sampling restaurants downtown.
I've been reading about your Terrorist Mama (ha ha), but be grateful for her, as she's just a lamb compared to some of the news I've been reading (how depressing, and, of course, there's a lot more of this kind of stuff in our crazy world):
In case you missed this:
Iraqis shot 'for wearing shorts'
The coach of Iraq's tennis team and two players were shot dead in Baghdad on Thursday, said Iraqi Olympic officials.
Coach Hussein Ahmed Rashid and players Nasser Ali Hatem and Wissam Adel Auda were killed in the al-Saidiya district of the capital.
Witnesses said the three were dressed in shorts and were killed days after militants issued a warning forbidding the wearing of shorts.
Other Iraqi athletes have been targeted in recent incidents.
In this case, according to accounts, the men dropped off laundry and were then stopped in their vehicle by gunmen.
Leaflets
Two of the athletes stepped out of the car and were shot in the head, said one witness. The third was shot dead in the vehicle.
"The gunman took the body out of the car and threw it on top of the other two bodies before stealing the car," said the witness, who requested anonymity.
He said leaflets had been recently distributed in the area warning residents not to wear shorts.
Last week, 15 members of Iraq's taekwondo team were kidnapped between Falluja and Ramadi, west of Baghdad, said a member of the Iraqi Olympic Committee. The kidnappers have demanded $100,000 for their release.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/5020804.stm
Published: 2006/05/26 16:54:00 GMT
© BBC MMVI
That's it - in a nutshell! (no pun intended).
Difference between you and me, skunksie - is that I admit to making mistakes once in a while, and if I notice them first I will immediately own up to them (and if someone else points them out to me - I will thank them for it). And, no, I don't feel foolish for making the occasional mistake (or typo or trotting off with the wrong conclusion due to chunk-reading too fast) we all make - it's human. The history of my ENTIRE record of posts here speaks for itself. Furthermore, in the example at hand (my mistake of reading "Frank" for "Fan") - it hardly matters, because at the very bottom of this discussion, the fact is - you're wrong (and mean-spirited and pig-headed) for blaming the GLBT community for QTN's success.
You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong, period. No two ways about it. Fan inherited a pack of lies tied up in an invisible bow with a bad smell from Frank. Frank was and is the culprit in QTN's failure. Who else could it possibly be - but Frank?
But as usual, my dear, you have some nerve telling me I should do this thing or that thing so that I wouldn't look foolish - you and your pitiful record of The Colossal Mistake Woman Bads - all archived and submitted for everyone's consideration (thanks to Spring). And I noticed when the following post was submitted ... ehhhhhhhhh, the cat got your tongue, huh? But it's all here, folks:
Posted by: Spring Rain
In reply to: skunksyard who wrote msg# 255324 Date:5/25/2006 2:14:20 PM
Post #of 255949
You're wrong, Skunks. You've been wrong about so much.
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Many pardongs, I read that as Frank (not Fan). Haven't had that first cuppa yet ...
In any case, by the time Fan got hold of QTN, the station was tainted with Frank's past dealings and reputation. What was there left to save? Why was it the responsibility of the gay community to come to the aid of QTN? It wasn't - it never was.
It was the responsibility of Frank to make a good name for the station. He didn't. He did the worst thing possible for QTN - he tainted it with his bad reputation.
Why didn't they approach Fan with some suggestions (and of course $$$$'s)...
Giving money to a known criminal? You've GOT to be kidding.
I heard (but unfortunately I did not know this in time for myself ...) that Frank's criminal past was discussed as early as 2004 on Raging Bull.
It only came to light here in about late 2005 ... when the PPS had sunk lower than a skunk's bellly.
Oh, Spring ... LOLOLOL!!! Oh, you're good.
Years ago, when the General Pope's Office came out with the statement about "no condoms, anywhere, anytime, for any reason" - I wrote a letter to the editor about that conehead hat. I said the hat must go - it is nothing but a condom, because the wearing of that hat acts like a prophylactic that prevents one from THINKING. It was a good letter, if I do say so myself. But they didn't print it.
I've noticed that when skunks has no convenient comeback, she doesn't reply ... funny how that works.
Be that as it may, personally I am neither a fan of stereotypical ethnic jokes nor stereotypical "gay-man" jokes.
For entertainment purposes, I love good jokes (just like I like a good mystery), but the stereotypical ones of groups of people who are still discreminated against leave me cold.
I have a book from the 1940s that I got at some long-forgotten antique show with different chapters devoted to various stereotypes of "negroes" and "jews" and "japs" (this was WWII), and a few other nationalities.
Interestingly, gays weren't even represented in any of the chapters - homosexuality was still in the hush-hush stage then, I guess.
Delfino, you are right on. A few of us have also come to the same conclusion - you spelled it out exactly so.
Oh, no ... I didn't forget that! Reichen looks good "from all angles" here, LOL!
Me, neither. And, yech, big udders do not look good in clothes. (Yeah, I know ... I can anticipate the off-with-the-clothes remarks now, LOL).
I have actually met men who much prefer the Audrey Hepburns of the world rather than the Liz Taylors ...
Personally, I've been Oprah'd-out for at least a few years (and that goes doubly for her best friend, Gayle).
I think she hit her stride sometime ago - she seems like a good person, but she's no Richard Dawkins (whom I love).
Only potential problem I see with that is ... if Frank Olsen hasn't felt accountable to his shareholders all these years, and if he LIED TO THEIR FACES as late as the end of last year, why would he feel that pang of conscience to want to let them know what happened?
When one is sociopathic, one doesn't feel empathy for other people. It's mainly about "me, me, me" [i.e., Frank Olsen, Frank Olsen, Frank Olsen].
You're right. In retrospect, it looks like what happened is just how you described it. The product that Frank scammed people on is: "gay TV station for and by gays" (and their friends and family, maybe). It's the 21st century already, so of a certain percentage of people in the USA today - who wouldn't be for that?
It's like if one were a Liberal back in the 1960s and someone came along with an product that would help achieve equal rights and end de jure and de facto segregation - who wouldn't be for that?
In other words, Frank scammed a lot of good people. I think he guessed how people may react - i.e., that they would want to support such an endeavor as he proposed ... and while we all had stars in our eyes, he took advantage of our temporary blindness and picked as many pockets as he could.
Me, too ... I re-read what you wrote, Spring - and want to thank you again. Whew, you got it.
(Whenever Patrick and I get to San Francisco, we're going to hunt you down!)
Beautiful Spring ...
While it looks like the Fat Lady has finally sung her song, we leave the performance locked in virtual arms with a few good buds we've met there.
It's been a sad soap opera, and I don't regret losing my own money as much as I am sad that my darling firstborn son lost money due to my influence of introducing him to this stock (and network, idea and dream). He listened to Frank during the cc - and he BELIEVED at least half of what Frank said (this being a pinky and all). Why, I believed about 25% myself.
We who were with this stock since 2004 - and looked to 2006 as the pinnacle with the Gay Games 2006 (which at the time seemed so long to wait) - who dreamed we would be at the threshhold of the Gay Games and at the bottom of the PPS and in bankruptcy? It didn't have to happen (and we all have a pretty good idea of who the villain on this soap opera was, don't we?) ... I am so sad to see this particular ending.