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Great luck with the book Billy,
I heard they are making a movie about the pirate ship
so its a perfect time for you to make something happen
looking forward to reading it
leave the mercury alone- in case no one noticed
It;s the only reason Spain leaves the DR alone!!!!
500 tons of mercury carelessly deposited on their shallow reefs
Slipping to the very bottom of the bedrock and submerged under 36' of water
makes it safe. Start messing with it could create an ecological disaster on the order of chernoble
Wont happen for another four years at least.
The courts can order a division,
but a salvage contract is not a right, its a privilege offered by the host country.
A court cannot issue an order to renew a salvage contract against the wishes of the
legislative or executive branches of government.
This is just common sense and an understanding of the law
hoping for anything else is just not going to happen
I'm not sure Captain Billy would appreciate being referred to as the spokesman for the company at this point.
You may want to clarify, it seems like everyone else he has been screwed over, now your suggestion that he is the face and the voice of a defunct and troubled company, while having no real say over any subsequent company decision- could leave him in a precarious and unenviable and un-defendable position.
But that's just my opinion.
waiting for information on his book release
Billy,
any thing on the book?
with Danillo's victory in the largest landslide in history
It's not going to get any better for the salvage business
for the next four years.
The only hope is for a court to order the division of salvage.
There is no way a judge will re-instate the salvage lease program and go against 65% of the population
The court system as well as the political system is very corrupt
great, I saw it right before Christmas at Hans's
It looks like a practical work platform
the best of luck with it
The days of commercial treasure salvage in the Dominican Republic are long gone
and probably closed forever-
A group from Florida was just down here, interested in a south coast wreck and offering the world to Cultura.
It fell on deaf ears, Cultura can't or won't do anything without the Presidents approval.
He is currently the most popular president since balaguer, so no body will mess with him.
knowing a bit about the court system here. (I'm a retired DA from the US).
Victory or defeat- the appeals process is long and painful, and if it gets all the way to the supreme court, you have a panel of judges (every supreme court judge is an appointment of the PLD, either appointed by Danillo or Lionel). So a fair supreme court decision is a lot to hope for.
It is a simple matter of its their country, if they choose not to renew a lease it is there prerogative.
The standard lease contract has a bunch of clauses in it built for the protection of the host country.
They can claim anything from non-performance on and it would be an American Companies word against a Dominican Institution. The appeals process gives a lot of latitude to the Government.
It could simply state that the leases were not renewed for the best interest of the DR and that would be very difficult and expensive to defeat.
I do believe that you have a very good chance of getting your artifacts in a division, but how long that will take is anybody's guess
Dwelling on the past is for broke down treasure hunters who can't find a job.
You are working, go dig up treasure and God Bless.
The best revenge is a life well lived.
Ps, how is the new CAT running??
BlackDuck,
I agree, an official of the corporation signs the contract,
but only "as an official of the corporation" otherwise if that person sign as an individual
he or she is liable.
I wish you the best of fortune in the lawsuit, I do not agree with holding back what you have earned.
as for Dominican Judges, there are some 12 under indictment for bribery (I hope you have one of the good ones)
The 50% deal was first signed by Tracy in 1977, that was the first of the modern contracts issued by the government.
Danillo ran on the promise of stopping foreign corruption (I realize that corruption begins at home!)
He did not stop the leases. He let them all run out and issued orders that they not be renewed.
He did this with all industry pertaining to natural or deposited resources
Mining, salvage etc.
Tracy had about three years worth of stuff in culture for division, all the tanks in the long room were filled with his junk ( except some Webber scrap from the Playa Grande wreck)
If he did not know the jig was up, he certainly had some good luck!
I was at the lab when he made his last two trips back to his house, he used his Red Toyota and a little white Mitsubishi.
Francis said he took almost everything of his.
I don't think you need proof or anything like that, he didn't steal the stuff, he just had a division right before things turned ugly.
I'm betting he knew and did not say anything.
He was in a big rush and he never rushes for anything!
Its not an excuse- its just a statement
anyone who understands shipwreck history, knows that indigenous people
have been profiting off of what Mother Nature deposits on their reefs and shores since man first sailed the oceans.
The mindset of a developing country (and the DR is not unique here)
They feel it is the American and certain European (French) companies have exploited
their resources far more than a few local fisherman would.
To understand this just look at the freezing of leases and assets for the last thirty years.
Bahamas, Turks, Columbia, Panama, Bermuda, Equador, Haiti and now the Dominican Republic.
The list goes on, for anyone sitting around and whining that things are going to go back to the way they were- they are living in denial. The only area's left are outside countries territorial waters (very expensive) and if UNESCO has its way in its new proposal, even those wrecks will be off limits.
I did not miss it
I remain doubtful that a business man would sign such a contract as an individual.
I think it is more likely that Wilf signed it as an officer of DBM
But I will check, as it is a matter of public record here.
How is the diplomacy working so far?
Tracy's lease was issued to caribe Salvage
and Capa Cana Groups lease was issued to the corp.
Burt's lease was to Hispaniola Ventures.
I have never seen DBM's lease, but I would find it hard to believe that any rational person would sign
a salvage lease with a foreign government in their own name without the veil of a corporation for protection!
But considering Wilf, I just don't know?
But if that is the case why doesn't Wilf sue the government like Global (I'm pretty sure their lease is also in the company name from what I remember)?
He certainly isn't going to get anyone else mad at him. The chance for any new lease is zero.
The directive for the suspension of leases comes right from the president and we have another four years of Danillo.
So anything happening while he is still in office is a pipe dream, he is dead set against profit taking on the countries resources .
Really want to see your book, is it available?
I am not defending Cultura
I don't think it is right to withhold the artifacts DBM or Global recovered
I am just asking who would perform the division or get the artifacts if DBM no longer exists.
BTW Tracy had a divisional split just before the contracts ended, the amount of artifacts he has still
in Cultura is nominal at best. A small amount of Guadalupe artifacts and some Concepcion silver.
But then again he has always had an inside track on what was happening before it happened. Thats why he operated so successfully here for forty years.
I think he saw the writing on the wall (or was told) and pushed for a division before everything stopped.
Anyway he filled up his little red Toyota truck and had to make three trips to his house, so I know he got most of his stuff. He just didn't tell anybody.
The looting is terrible, but it is an island country, surrounded by water and shipwrecks, how would you stop it?
I am not defending the looters, it is terrible, but it has been going on for four hundred years.
They do get caught and go to jail here, every once in a while.
Three Dominican divers were just arrested for pillaging the Bergonia site.
Global is suing the DR government- let's see where that goes.
Unfortunately Tracy's not doing well, and I don't think he will be going back to work.
The Permanently Revoked status of DBM, seems to be a little bit more than a paperwork issue.
It is something about the word "Permanent" that paints the picture of "forever."
If DBM was an existing entity, why wouldn't it also sue the Govt of the DR?
The Global lawsuit will go on for years as most civil lawsuits do.
You can multiply that a bit, considering the judicial system where the lawsuit is pending.
One way or the other, I doubt it will come out of anyones salary.
As for deep DBM.
If the government of the Dominican Republic wanted to divide the artifacts recovered,
who would they divide them with?
A quick Nevada corp check says that DBM has been permanently revoked (see below)
DEEP BLUE MARINE INC. NV20051703300 Revoked Domestic Corporation
DEEP BLUE MARINE, INC. NV19981133628 Permanently Revoked Domestic Corporation
and don't take my word for it "an astute investor" should be able to find the records themselves.
So who could the DR give the artifacts too? Who could they give a contract too?
We are discussing a permanently revoked Corporation.
Captain Billy, what is happening with the book and where can we buy it.
If you were the Dominican Government
which would be the less of two evils?
taken by a family of Dominicans?
or taken and misappropriated by a bunch of American crooks?
Of all the artifacts recovered by DBM and shuttled out of the country to Utah.
Not one artifact has ever seen the light of day.
It all went to Wilfs pocket or to pay off his personal debt.
Leaving investors and employees to fend for themselves.
Why would any government entity ever choose to do business with
DBM again?
It was long and twisted
it makes the problems with DBM look good
Fake emeralds, salted shipwrecks, suicide and two big time investment bankers
trying to pump up the stock now in Federal court
Amazing!
Has anyone seen the April 2016 story in Harpers magazine, were ORRV and its investors- are named as a defendant in that mega million dollar pump and dump emerald scam?
While two ships with the same name is not uncommon, two ships in the same time period with the same name would be very unlikely. All ship names where registered with the Casa, and therefor not easily duplicated.
I spent a lot of time on this very question.
This fable began with Robert Marx- hence known as a Marxism.
In two of his books he referred to them as one in 1542 and our SM sunk in 1551.
He listed the correct captain for our SM, and the Captain of the phantom SM was one of the officers off of the real SM.
While this could happen ten years apart.
Two ships with the same name sinking in about the same location seems very unlikely.
But the hole in the theory is the Archive themselves.
The Spanish were the original record keepers, and while there is one hundred pounds of documents surrounding the 1551 wreck. There is nothing and I mean nothing, not even a registry entry about any other San Miguel within thirty years of 1551.
Now the skeptic could argue that all the records where lost on the return journeys and a good portion of them could have been.
Except for the registry and the embarkation from a Spanish or European harbor would be noted.
And then if there was no record at all, how did Bob Marx find out about it in the first place?
Not that we have ever known Marx to tell us something that was not true
remember
Fisher Factor
Marx Multipier
Bowden Baloney
Webber Wedge
Common names applied to tall tales from each of these treasure hunters of days gone by.
Billy,
Sorry for the delay, just back from havana and spotty internet there
I am not claiming to be an expert on anything, I am a researcher.
The site you guys had was exceptional, I believe that a lot of what transpired along the North Coast was avoiding the tax collector (except the San Miguel/ Concepcion and others) who we know came to rest in the North due to storms in the Martyrs of Florida and crashing through the Silver Bank.
But the San Miguel was loaded with contraband anyway, just look at who owned it, The Gov. of Mexico, his son was the Captain and the staff represented a who's who of serious dudes. No this ship was loaded with contraband.
I am not discounting your wreck because of anything that you found or did not find,
I am convinced that the SM is much closer to Cabo Samana.
The amount of archival research from witnesses is astounding, remember the salvage camp was set up for almost a year after the wreck. those guys knew where they were.
I discovered a name of the most likely victim of your shipwreck (again it is only my opinion)
I have to wait until I get back to Kentucky, as I don't remember the ship or the year and I only had a hard copy and it is in my file room.
I discussed this wreck with Bowden, before he lost what was left of his marbles and he was in complete agreement. I told him that I was going to give you the information when I ran into you again, Bowden tried to discourage me, but I have long stopped listening to his advice. Even when he was playing with a full deck!
Not anymore, he's gone in the mind- serious dimensia.
They took away his drivers license.
He went to the store for ham and cheese from his house in S. Miami and they found him in Tampa.
The last time I talked to him, he tried to convince me that he found the Concepcion!!!!
You are right about Beeker, he can't hurt you on the wreck site, but he will claim some type of discovery credibility, the guy would swear he found the Titanic if he could get away with it.
(maybe he should hang around with Bowden)
Beekeris not even a has been, he is a never was!!!
I wish you luck in your endeavors, just left a series of meetings with the Cuban minister of culture and director of sub-aquatico. It looks like salvage for cultural use only there as well if it ever gets off the ground.
The DR was the last great bastion in our hemisphere- it is a shame t is all gone.
artifacts do not determine the provence of a shipwreck alone
unless something is of such a unique nature it can only be linked to one wreck
Like an inscribed bell a builders plaque or a unique artifact that was manifested.
Since colonial era ships very rarely had inscribed bells and did not have builders plagues and manifests very rarely survived, ships of this era are the toughest to positively identify.
Yes I believe that European man could very well have preceded Columbus into the Western Hemisphere
But what the hell would they be doing in the midwest United States?
What would possess a person to walk 2000 miles from the ocean? In search of what?
The Hudson Valley would be more likely.
Charlie Beeeker has already requested permission to work the Playa Preciosa site for the good of mankind
What a joke that is, I'm with you on that problem.
I think that the Presciosa site is a wonderful sight.
I think the ship itself was completely salvaged, hence I believe I know the name of the ship.
But you know better than anyone else the torrent winter waters of the North Coast.
I believe as you do that there is much in the way of wonderful artifacts left there.
(I guess Beeker knows it too!!)
I just don't believe that its the San Miguel.
Beeker has requested access to the site early summer 2016 for a three week internship project.
As usual he comes bearing gifts.
I was contacted by one of his minions for information about the wreck, I'm certain they are still waiting by the phone as they are not getting anything out of me.
I researched the Quedagh Merchant for him, when the Domnican government allowed him on a probable wreck site, Then next thing that happened was that he claimed that it was irrefutably the QM and that he found it!!!
What a crock- there is no definitive proof as to the identity of the shipwreck and it was found by a local retired Italian guy living in Casa de Campo.
I wouldn't worry about the site though, what could a bunch of college kids find on a three week summer vacation?
Billy,
Those are sound points of view, however the very location of the shipwreck could indicate another ship running with contraband. There were no laws on the north Coast and many a ship trying to avoid the tax collector travelled that route. The pre colombian religious artifacts would also corroborate that theory.
This is not the forum for original documentation, send me a Private message with an email address
and I will satisfy you with a sample of original documentation.
The San Miguel may well be the most heavily researched shipwreck in the DR, it left a plethora of documentation simply because everyone survived after the hurricane and there were so many lawsuits regarding un salvaged treasure. It also had a nine month salvage operation conducted with upwards of 600 people coming and going during that time.
So the documented research is mind staggering.
Common belief is that because of who owned it the contraband treasure on board would be amazing.
For this very reason you have to be careful what you commit to print
This is sound advice for the long run
In the original archival research are dozens of eyewitness accounts from both the wreck and subsequent salvage operation put the SM much further to the east using very specific landmarks so it is not ONE thing in the research, it is many, the simple fact is that you cannot see cabo Samana from Playa Presciosa when so many people who knew what they were talking about used it in 1551 and 1552 as a references during the salvage operation.
You should know better than most people that artifacts are circumstantial evidence and unless a smoking gun is recovered, artifacts alone can never be used to conclusively identify a shipwreck!
But,
You can not be serious using Burt Webber as a form of validation, he stole the contributions of many when he claimed the success of the Concepcion for himself alone. Most importantly was the slight to jack Haskins who really deserved the credit for the find.
Since 1978 he has accomplished nothing credible and his opinion matters little to most people and nothing to me.
I have been researching the San Miguel for over twenty years
I have made five trips to the archives de Indies in Seville.
I have photo copies of over 1200 documents related to the sailing, shipwreck, salvage,contemporary lawsuits and eye witness accounts involving the treasure both recovered and lost.
If you publish erroneous or untrue statements
It will be my obligation as a historian to bring errors to light.
So I am only suggesting that you publish responsibly.
Bob Marx had no oversight, no one save for Mendel Petersen who knew he was full of bologna.
At least Marx made up shipwrecks that way no one could refute his claims.
The San Miguel is not some podunk wreck that no one knows about.
There are a half dozen researchers that I know of, including one working on a book with a major NY publishing house that includes much factual material of the San Miguel. All with the collective knowledge and years of credibility who understand the plight of the San Miguel.
So put some forethought into what you publish. It will follow you forever.
I'm not part of any government
I am an American who lives in the DR for half the year
I am a retired Biotech CFO and investor (at one time in DBM, Cap Cana Group, Silver Bank, NCR and others). The money that I throw at these companies varies from play money to serious investment.
I have to admit that Wilf fooled me.
I do research to keep myself busy, I was never a diver, but I love the history of shipwrecks
The days of Bob Marx type self styled false claims are over, there is too much truthful information out there for nonsense to be believed.
So it bothers me when false claims are made.
If Captain Billy wants to write a book, then he should make it the best most factual book he can
If he chooses to publish half truths, they will follow him for the rest of his days.
You can not claim to find what someone else found.
You cannot claim an identity of a shipwreck just because it has not yet been found
and you cannot blame other people for your failures.
Captain Billy will find a very narrow audience, as two clicks on an internet browser will cast enough doubt upon his claims to taint his work.
What author wants that?
It is his prerogative
Call Cultuara- Subaqutico
809 221-4141
and see who is selling fiction
Lets take this in order
"I have more proof that this is the San Miguel than anybody i know can prove its not."
I have seen all the artifacts and while interesting- nothing proves a definitive shipwreck, much less a name of a ship.
"As soon as someone can show me they excavated the same wreck previously i will back down on my claim."
Frank Pappa, Tracy Bowden, Rick & Wand Berry and a host of others have all explored that site long before you ever came to the country.
"This government never knew it existed till i found it and to this day thy call it the SAN MIGUEL.
Nobody will ever be able to refute my claim. Count on that."
Cultura was aware of the site it was called the Playa Preciosa site and was recorded by Frank Pappa in 1997. The only person in the government who still talks to you is Francis.
"And what we recovered shows this wreck was a year or two before the Padre Island shipwrecks. Being how this wreck was identical to those and a few years earlier sure puts our wreck perfect in the range of the San Miguel."
The San Miguel was four months older than the Padre Island wrecks NOT TWO YEARS. Your lack of basic shipwreck knowledge is quite remarkable for an author and self proclaimed treasure hunter.
"And guess what nobody will be able to prove its not the San Miguel until the real one is found. So far that hasn't happened. And won't."
Maybe not, but the Preciosa debris site (that you paid a local fisherman to show you) is not the San Miguel. If you ever read any of the research you would know this.
"So for now Capt Billy Rawson discovered the possible remains of the SAN Miguel. With one book published (coming soon) and another book nearly done."
what an author puts in print speaks of his credibility, if you make a bunch of claims that can be refuted, you will cast dispersions on any further credibility if you choose to stay in this business.
I do not know why someone would claim to find something
that had been found a generation before he had ever set foot in the Dominican Republic
And yes, I am very interested in seeing the rest of the work
shipwreck research in general where my interest reside.
I have a very long tenure researching shipwrecks in the DR in particular
some books are well done with valuable information,
others not so much, but I would refrain comment on the work in general until I have read it.
My objections are to claims made in error or falsehood
and what in the history of Deep Blue could hope to engage a tome of reasonable size and scope?
Capt Billy,
"JUNE 8, 1551: Sevilla (DOCUMENT 1): That for five Masters of Naos that has arrived, they know that Sancho de Biedma how the naos from Nueva Espana arrived to la Habana, on april 3. That the new and good ship that D. Luis de Velasco went in,when it got to the Bahamas Channel, on the Turtles, he broke the ratchet and got separated."
This is a portion of the translation of the original archival research of the San Miguel.
Your debris field has been a known location for 30 years,so if claiming to discover the site even though it was common knowledge is indicative of your books work
It should make some very colorful reading.
You are about 30 miles away for the most probable location of the San Miguel.
But I do know the most likely candidate for your debris field (1557).
You won't find a ship there, as it was salvaged right down to the planks as it was washed up on the beach.
Btw/ my research is not expensive, but it is not free.
Look forward to your book
what is the publishing house that is handling it?
Treasure books usually include great accomplishment,
years of hard work and
struggle. Both inner and outer conflict tend to make a story readable
I find the planned chronicle of a couple of years of middling success
coupled with corporate mismanagement hardly a recipe for interesting reading
sounds like a best seller!
will it contain fantasy as well as fiction?
I'm not actively looking to work in the DR. I think it will be at least five more years before that is possible. Danilo Medina is a lock for the next elections and he has vowed not to let foreign companies conduct further work So I believe any plan involving the DR is at least half a decade away. I just have a group of friends who together have an interest in the endeavor of treasure hunting.
I understand that there is no company in this industry without some form of trouble.
I was just looking to assess if Deep Blue was still an entity or it is in the final throws of neglect
and soon to dry up.
Billy I apologize if I cast disparaging comments upon your museum.
But Nebula said that half of the financial recourses of the company were spent on museum construction.
Where?
It was small and all the artifacts, save the cannon in front belonged to the government.
BTW I have two of the Guadalupe cannons that I received with all the proper documentation when I was a Bowden investor many years ago. They are in my courtyard of my home.
I do have two words for your museum woes, they are "market Study!"
That is why we chose not to construct a museum in Punta Cana.
Now if the DR was a body, Samana would be the armpit and Nagua would be the other.
Why any company would construct a tourist based business in that town leads to wonder.
Was it for the people as Deep Blue touts, or was it a ploy to get a new contract and abandond
shortly after? As most Dominican officials believe.
Why did the museum close?
Deep Blue made the ONPCS officials and the local political supporters look foolish for their involvement in such a half baked idea.
Again billy I am not casting you in with management of DB, I believe you too were a victim.
I just asked a few questions in case you knew the answers.
Also here at CapCana group we worked with Bobby, he recovered some very wonderful artifacts, then when he received his contract, he ran to the south coast and left us holding a contract with no one to fulfill it. Coincidently we also had a deal with Deep Blue who pulled a similar no show right before Bobby did.
CapCana group brought the government to court and we received our full division. But it took 2 and a 1/2 years and was more money than the artifacts were worth, still it was a victory.
But back to my original question. Is there a company left with legal right to challenge the government
Is it enough to salvage the company?
I would also find it difficult to believe that people who were previously slighted by companies and people would look to work with them again.
I believe that the DR will be a viable place to work once again in the future as the UNESCO plan is flawed from the start. But it will not happen in this decade and don't think Deep Blue can hold out that long
Hi Neb,
Thanks of the reply, but you are missing a few things.
I have two homes in the DR and have been a part time resident for over thirty years.
I am an avid treasure hunting fan and was an early investor in Deep Blue.
When I bought the stock was just south of a dollar, so a penny is hardly exciting.
The current president took office in August 2012, and while there is corruption in the government
there is also accountably. I know for a fact that every recovered item since Webber in 1978 is still in possession of Cultura. Maybe can't find everything, but they have it all.
I don't know why they are holding back divisions, has anyone ever asked them directly?
I do know that all leases were "Permission to work," documents and were renewable at the behest of the host government as I am a board member for Cap Cana NFP.
So if they choose not to renew, a company has little recourse.
As for Tracy Bowden, I've known him for thirty years and he hardly ever did anything ethical!!!
He has a long history of cheating dominican divers, he in fact was a driving force in the financial mess
of this company. Leasing a vessel that had no chance of financial return and handcuffing the company to that vessel with the promise of treasure ships that never happened. How much company money was wasted in those three years?
Bowden is a crook- plain and simple, the list of people he cheated in this country is very very long! Now he is trying to work in the Bahamas.
We were planning to do a museum in Cap Cana.
So I've been to the museum with an eye on development when it was open, it was a joke. I was even invited and attended its grand opening. If you could tell me how that small little structure with loaned artifacts from the government cost all that money, I would love to hear the explanation.
But my big question is the viability if any of the company going forward? Is there any?
Who is the current management? Are there any assets? What is the value of the two divisions being withheld? What happened to the other divisions that we know Blum received?
Every other salvage company who worked here has gone off to other venues instead of crying over spilled milk. I'm certain if things change they will be back here in a heartbeat.
But life must go on!
Sitting around for a few years and waiting does not seem to be a viable business plan.
Is there a plan, or just sour grapes?
I know a small group of people looking to fund a treasure project, right now they are looking off shore, but are very interested in the changeable events and policies of the DR.
But they are astute investors as you like to phrase.
Credibility and a business plan are essential
We can not even determine if Deep Blue is still a company, and the lack of information or for that matter acknowledgment of management is not promising.
I have a couple of questions, and I'm asking you because you seem to be the highest ranking former
company guy still talking.
Which in my mind means you were a victim and not a conspirator.
what do you mean by five years without division?
I understand that the DR is withholding the last division, but
how much could that be as compared to the millions raised by the company through the sale of stock
that went "who knows where?"
Is it 100K? A million?
What did Blum do with the previous divisions? Was there a public sale or auction? What happened to the proceeds?
What is the DR operating cost per year if you get a lease?
Was there anything in the lease that said the DR was compelled to renew the contract?
Is it true that under this president most foreign companies had leases not renewed in various
natural/cultural resource areas?
Is there any evidence that the company is viable if there ever was a change in policy?
It looks like it is trading next to zero with no leadership, business plan, contract
or idea to go forward.
It is an email address to set up an exchange of basic information.
it is not a website
My mistake deepblueclassaction1@yahoo.com
Any one interested in more information? There is a class action lawsuit against both Blum and Bowden anyone who invested after March 7th 2007 and lost money on DPBM stock due to the Blum/Bowden deal can submit for financial remedy, contact.
deepblueclassaction@yahoo.com
for further information
Not any of my business and don't know anything about that.
Wilf Blum is proven crook the SEC say's so.
They haven't even gone after Deep Blue yet.
why would Cultura sign a renewal with Blum?
Captain Tracy Bowden is on trial now for fraud
If convicted why would Cultura sign a renewal with Bowden?
The pair signed an illegal contract between Silver Bank Expeditions and Deep Blue Marine on 3/7/07.
Anyone who invested because of that contract and lost money did so because of an illegal activity.
If you want to find out about wife beaters or drug dealers you are on the wrong message forum
mho
Why would the Dominican Government renew a contract with crooks.
Wilf Blum is convicted of fraud
Captain Tracy Bowden DPBM's benefactor is under indictment for 7 counts of fraud.
What are the chances of Captain Billy, Randy and the rest being upstanding non-criminals?
Blum defrauded 12 million dollars from DPBM investor and that shoe hasn't even dropped yet!
Captain Tracy Bowden and Wilf Blum entered into an illegal agreement and defrauded DPBM investors out of millions together.
There is a class action lawsuit against both Blum and Bowden anyone who invested after March 7th 2007 and lost money on DPBM stock due to the Blum/Bowden deal can contact
deepblueclassaction@yahoo.com
for further information
jmho
Captain Tracy Bowden has been in court in front of the fiscal three times to answer for supposed fraudulent contracts.
The Judge disclosed on Monday that Bowden will be facing a criminal trial in January for multiple fraudulent deals. I was just asking the question "could the one sided contract the we signed with Bowden have also been based upon fraudulent information". The fact that it was at a time when we had both money and resources makes me question the logic behind the contract in the first place. Both Bowden and Blum knew the Scipion was void of any profit. Certainly Blum could have just been stupid. But if he was duped and Bowden did not have the rights to suck up three years of our corporate life could he be held accountable. He must have deeper pockets then DPBE or Wilf does now.
mhp
Captain Tracy Bowden's case is in front of the monetary fraud division of the criminal court in Santo Domingo.
He is not yet charged with crimes. But court sources say that charges are forthcoming before the holidays. His boat is locked up and he has not been able to conduct salvage operations for over a year.
The fact that he kept our feet tied to the Scipion for three years with a one sided contract does not make me feel sorry for him one bit. It was a time when we had both money and manpower and we could have put both to much better use.
Wilf Blum is a crook that much is fairly obvious to everyone with an open mind.
But it leads a person to wonder what financial backdoor deal these two scam artist hatched at DPBE investors expense?
SMHO