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DB to pay $14B
Sept. 15, 2016 5:36 p.m. ET
The U.S. Justice Department proposed that Deutsche Bank AG pay $14 billion to settle a set of high-profile mortgage-securities probes stemming from the financial crisis, according to people familiar with the matter, a number that would rank among the largest of what other banks have paid to resolve similar claims and is well above what investors have been expecting.
The figure is described by people close to the negotiations between Deutsche Bank and the government as preliminary, and they said it came up in discussions between the bank and government lawyers in recent days. It hasn’t been previously disclosed. Deutsche Bank is expected to push back strongly against it, the people said, and it is far from clear what the final outcome will be.
It is also unclear how much of that amount is proposed to be paid in cash, and how much could be in consumer relief, as past deals have been structured.
The Justice Department routinely opens high-stakes civil settlement talks with a tough posture, posing higher numbers than it might expect eventually to win, even from banks eager to close long-running probes, lawyers involved in current and similar negotiations say.
A Deutsche Bank spokesman responded to questions about a settlement by pointing to a July filing saying that the bank had started negotiations with the Justice Department.
Deutsche Bank hasn’t said what it has set aside in anticipation of a settlement. The bank held €5.5 billion ($6.2 billion) in total litigation reserves as of June 30, and said it expected to set aside more before the end of the year.
Privately, Deutsche Bank lawyers have suggested that the bank views between $2 billion and $3 billion as a reasonable cost to close out the Justice Department’s mortgage-related probe quickly, according to people familiar with internal bank discussions and signals communicated to investors. One factor in Deutsche Bank executives’ thinking is that the lender already paid $1.9 billion in 2013 to settle some U.S. claims tied to mortgage-backed securities, some of the people said.
A hefty settlement would be bad news for a clutch of big European lenders who also face potential penalties or litigation in connection with a U.S. crackdown on the selling and packaging of residential mortgage-backed securities before 2008.
Big U.S. banks have paid multibillion-dollar settlements for allegedly misleading investors about the quality of such securities. The largest so far has been $16.65 billion paid by Bank of America Corp. in 2014. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. agreed in April to a $5 billion deal that included a $2.4 billion cash penalty plus a pledge of $1.8 billion to help struggling borrowers and communities hard hit by the 2008 collapse in home prices.
The banks have been accused of bundling poorly-underwritten home loans and selling them as safer securities than they knew them to be, ultimately helping to fuel a bubble in rising home prices and exacerbating the consequences of the subsequent collapse.
Citigroup Inc., J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley together paid more than $23 billion in penalties and consumer help to settle claims.
In all of these settlements, the banks acknowledged improper behavior.
The European banks that remain under investigation and could face penalties besides Deutsche Bank, include Barclays PLC, Credit Suisse Group AG , UBS Group AG and Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC, according to bank disclosures and people familiar with the matter. The banks haven’t commented on any potential settlements other than to say they are cooperating with the investigations. Some have set aside money for mortgage investigations as part of their broader legal provisions, without specifying allocations, according to company filings.
Lawyers working with various banks say they consider Deutsche Bank a test case in this next round of anticipated settlements, which come at a sensitive time for European banks already thin on capital and slogging through job cuts and restructuring. Lawyers for both Deutsche Bank and Barclays have met or are meeting with Justice Department officials this month to discuss a potential pact, according to people familiar with the talks. Some lawyers involved have expressed a desire to reach a deal by the November presidential election, the people said.
Barclays CEO Jes Staley and Deutsche Bank CEO John Cryan have both said they are eager to put big-ticket legal matters behind them.
The apparent gulf between figures viewed as palatable to the bank and those posed by Justice Department officials suggests negotiations could still have a long way to go, and could ultimately lead to court battles, the people said.
Analysts have estimated Deutsche Bank alone might pay between $2 billion and $5 billion, based on previous settlements with banks including Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, and Deutsche Bank’s relative size in the precrisis market for packaging and selling residential-mortgage-backed securities.
In June, Barclays banking analyst Jeremy Sigee estimated Deutsche Bank might pay $4.5 billion, and Credit Suisse and UBS might each pay $2 billion. He and other analysts have said settlements ultimately could push Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse toward capital hikes.
Past settlements haven't always been tied directly to the size of the business targeted. Citigroup, for example, paid a larger penalty than expected based on its size in the market for residential-mortgage securities. Officials said at the time it was commensurate with the strength of evidence against the bank. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Citigroup declined to comment.
Write to Aruna Viswanatha at Aruna.Viswanatha@wsj.com, Jenny Strasburg at jenny.strasburg@wsj.com and Eyk Henning at eyk.henning@wsj.com
http://www.wsj.com/articles/deutsche-bank-is-asked-to-pay-14-billion-to-resolve-u-s-probe-into-mortgage-securities-1473975404
SPY 167.05
Bet Futures open close to Friday level
Algos gone nuts to sell off on Cyprus news.
CYPRUS lol
Give me something better ... What's next? Some local shop in Europe needing bail out.
On the other hand Mila Kunis being bullish ...
Media has lost it.
SPY 155.32!!
Jimmy check SHLD Jan 2015 Options
High Call 60-70 Spread - check OI too
Big lots bought
last week of Feb
will be telling in terms of market direction
1. All economic #'s
2. Heavy retail ER's coming out
until then market might just run flat! or little down.
my 2 cents. not trading right now.
3 stocks on watch for March calls
1. SHLD retail
2. CELG biotech
3. SAM beer
no idea what to play this week
options so expensive for many tech earnings. thinking of getting QQQ at least for a double.
What do you guys think?
Perhaps side plays might be good
SINA calls?
JB you bearish for a time period?
see you play a lot of calls in 2012 not sure you are going bearish for a period
same here AAPL at .20
lets see tomorrow. was thinking of buying first thing tomorrow.
MNST holding up well in market
BB tight .. could break any direction soon. Holding Jan 60 Calls .. cheap
fiscal drama
why .. the 2% will lose more in equity with fiscal cliff than more taxes
JB .. how about MNST BB squeeze?
60 calls cheap
MOS guys .. breakout soon
JB thoughts on MOS?
JB thoughts on WYNN?
Any other big plays in your mind?
you should start a stock twits
account so that we can follow you. a lot easier than to search your messages in ihub
CMG bollies
Jimmy how about PAY
break out possible
when is NFLX gonna move
this thing needs to be 120
Jimmy - CMG bollies
check em out
NFLX bollie play again
this stock has the best bollinger squeezes
Jimmy thoughts on NFLX
Jimmy .. ISRG bollie squeeze?
Do you see the billie squeeze?
Jimmy .. do you see tight bollies on ISRG?
about to happen? 590 Dec could hit
Jimmy - CMG bagger tomorrow?
290??? Let us know if you see the momo
Jimmy what you think about EA
Jan 15 calls cheap
will we rally up here on
big question with this fiscal cliff drama.
my only base is tech analysis. fundamentally most large caps are sitting on a LOT of cash this year.
technically we are approaching oversold, multi year up trend line and support at 1360-1370 S&P.
when will the reversal take place. not sure but here is a scenario.
IF WE FALL DOWN TODAY and GAP LOWER TOMORROW MORNING and TOMORROW BULLS MAKE A COME BACK then this corrective cycle is over. I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED with BUSH TAX CUTS DELAYED for next 6 months in 2013
JB soda 42.50
the folks who bought in big lots last week might suffer due to premiums.
those with 42.50
JB you noticed someone loaded on those calls last week. You think it was just a hedge? If so the price is pretty much not moving killing both call and put players.
MAKO this week ER ..
Could be a bagger on the call side?
SODA looking weak
but low volume .. this stock is unpredictable. JB might have more thoughts on this.
NFLX 62.50 WC from .03 to 8 bucks
I need of these ..
IRBT ER anyone?
Folks buying IRobot
It is a regular acc
Lex - I am with ST too
But dont see any LTIC2. I signed on to releases and approved the POR.
I also have LTI statements from the trust.
Not sure why ST would not show what you have? When did you see your LTIC2 appear?
who is playing MCD ER?
Nov 100 Calls cheap .7c
GOOG drop to 660 BUY
BUY 680 calls expiring tomorrow .. lets see how this plays out. this could be multi bagger
MCP MCP MCP squeeze
BIDU strangle weekly
10 OCT 110 weeklies Puts @ .7c
10 OCT 120 weeklies Calls @.7 c
this is a google play for tomorrow.