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That's a hard question to answer.. how much it cost me or how much it cost the client.
lets just leave it like this.. i generally build systems in the 2500 to 3000 range for 4 to 8 monitors... i have done a couple closer to the 2k price but it forces you to cut corners. you can get a good power supply for $100 but i like to buy a better one for $200.
if you wanted to build a similar system yourself you could for probably around 1800 by taking advantage of daily sales, rebates, etc. if your someone who has built before you could spend less on a few parts because you are competent to replace them quickly if you have a failure. i spend a little extra because i don't want a client to breakdown mid trade.
i am probably fortunate that most of my customers are learning to actually make some money day trading and they don't ask me to do it cheaply.
yea i wondered, sent you a note when i ordered the case
Didn't do a pitstop score on it. The way pitstop works i have some points against me..
i have slow slow internet because i live in the boonies.
it thinks my dual 64gb raided ssd drives are small, which they are but still..
it says i have weak ass graphics.
Just finished a new build and thought i would share some pics, sorry my blackberry makes for a crappy camera =)
First time doing a build in the Antec 1200 case, great cooling and plenty of room but 12 pounds heavier than the Lian-Li i normally use!
stayed with the 1366 socket, i like motherboards that have gone thru several revisions already. dislike beta testing new hardware!
12 GB of 1066 CL7
2 raided 64GB SSD's and a 500gb backup drive
i cant seem to talk myself into buying anything but the corsair psu
not overclocking but i still like the 120mm cpu coolers, the cooler master is not as pricey as some but i cant see spending 3x more to drop 1degree
3x EVGA 9500GTs for 6 DVI's - its not a gaming rig so there isn't a ton of extra heat and the driver is stable.
Added a 120mm fan on the side to keep the video cards cooler. required a little trimming to not bump up against the CPU cooler.
Three front 120mm fans have their own fan controllers
unless you have several hard drives the savings is probably negligable but you can turn them off without the monitor going off. hybernate or sleep is said to save 25-75 per year so the hard drive alone is not going to do much.
sure, the power settings are for... turn off monitor after x time and turn off hard drive after x time.
fwiw i just saw some 22in lcds on newegg for 129.99 free shipping
you could let the hard drive sleep
i leave them off most of the time. if you have good case airflow they are not really necessary.
cause the coding on pitstop is weak, probably only has one response... "you need to defrag"
i cant private reply to you..
http://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-7/windows-7-how-to-delete-files-protected-by-trustedinstaller/
just be careful its there for a reason ;p
click start and in the search box type 'user account control' ... or there is a link on the window that is popping up.
you can resize the partition. maybe there is some free utility that can do it....
it would be cheaper to buy a 500gb drive than buy some of the paid utilities
To reset a forgotten administrator password, follow these steps:
1. Boot from Windows PE or Windows RE and access the command prompt.
2. Find the drive letter of the partition where Windows is installed. it is usually C:.
3. Type the following command (replace “c:” with the correct drive letter if Windows is not located on C:):
copy c:\windows\system32\sethc.exe c:\
This creates a copy of sethc.exe to restore later.
4. Type this command to replace sethc.exe with cmd.exe:
copy /y c:\windows\system32\cmd.exe c:\windows\system32\sethc.exe
5. Reboot your computer and start the Windows installation where you forgot the administrator password.
6. After you see the logon screen, press the SHIFT key five times.
7. You should see a command prompt where you can enter the following command to reset the Windows password
net user your_user_name new_password
If you don’t know your user name, just type net user to list the available user names.
8. You can now log on with the new password.
replace sethc.exe with the copy you stored in the root folder of your system drive in step 3. For this, you have to boot up again with Windows PE or RE because you can’t replace system files while the Windows installation is online. Then you have to enter this command:
copy /y c:\sethc.exe c:\windows\system32\sethc.exe
the page file is a file on your c drive (unless you moved it). pagefile.sys - its a hidden file so you cant see it unless you have "show hidden files" checked off in file options.
system managed the file is probably 150% of ram so yours is likely a 12gb file on your c drive, most of the time the file would be completely empty but still takes the same ammt of space. its only going to be used if your ram usage is 100%, windows crashes and its used when making the .dmp file, or some application uses it to write some data there.
the only reason i can think of manually setting the size is to conserve space on a drive.
you dont look like you will use 100% of your ram any time soon.
more people are concerned with deleting and recreating the pagefile on system shutdown and restart, as the pagefile could in theory store sensitive data.. but most dont do it as it adds time to the shutdown/startup process.
system managed is fine, its probable using 12gb. if your not short on space it isn't an issue.
most people just need home, not pro or ultimate, you can see the differences here
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare?T1=tab15
then you need to decide 32 bit or 64 bit
you can also run the windows upgrade advisor
http://windows.microsoft.com/upgradeadvisor
32bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116983
64bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
buy a windows 7 full cd/dvd. put it in. boot to the disk. choose advanced startup not upgrade. choose advanced when it gets to the disk section and delete the current partitions - this will remove all current info. continue the install of win 7.
i just did a pretty slow laptop last night and it took 30 mins or so
with 8gb ram pagefile is useless for windows (with the exception of dmp files used on BSOD 512mb page file is handy). that being said.. some applications still need the page file, they are programmed to expect it to be there.
i have my page file set to 4gb and its on a separate drive from my os.
windows will use 12gb if you have 8gb ram. 150%
64gb SSD C:\ drive on a machine with 32gb DDR3 and windows 7 freshly installed i had 10gb free... i was scratching my head for a few minutes on that one!
500gb drives are cheap. you can get them for as low as $40 but the ones i listed are $60. western digital caviar black, 5 year warranty.
the additional money for 2 drives is well worth it. you raid the drives in a mirror and you get increased read performance along with redundancy.
in a raid if one drive goes bad you replace the drive and rebuild the raid. with a backup on an external if the drive goes bad you replace the drive and restore to the last time you made a backup.. was that last week, last month... maybe you don't lose anything important, maybe you do..
what i like about it is... drive goes bad in a raid and i can keep working until after business hours.. keep working the next 3 days while i wait for a new drive from newegg... pop in the replacement drive after hours and let the raid rebuild.
a computer should be built to meet the needs of the user, be reliable, and have room for an upgrade rather than a replacement.
i wish.. even using the cheapest case, dvdr, powersupply and motherboard made.. along with recertified hard drive and lowest end i7 available.. 541.97 is the cost of the parts with no windows license..
i think dell is actually about 999 on their lowest end i7 before coupons which are all over the place. im higher then they are but...
thats the main reason i do all of the support for my customers personally.. no matter how bright someone is i dont trust them supporting people that do business with me...
but its also the reason i cant sell an i7 with 8gb ram and 1tb hard drive for $483. =)
i would join the ubuntu channel on irc and ask
if your not familiar with irc... on ubuntu xchat is pre installed under applications internet
/server irc.freenode.net
/join #ubuntu
any chance of a bad wireless router?
how about connecting cable modem to wireless router then to the switch then to the pc's and seeing if the wireless continues to stop broadcasting.
maybe they revised it cause i think now that one has 7, the revolution has 6.
msi has one now called the 'big bang' with 8 1155 socket, only has 4 ddr3 slots but does support 32gb.
now they just have to come up with a way to make pci express slots usable because 2 decent cards take 4 slots and the bottom slot is often useless or makes plugging in front usbs an a**pain
This is a suggested build for the OP who wants to do a multiple monitor setup under 1k, not one i have already done.
i do a lot of similar builds and the pitstop scores are not always that great because;
i don't use high end video cards but i use multiple
my internet at my office is junk and
i use smaller drives in raid
exact same machine with a 1tb drive beats a machine with 2x500gb raid setup at pitstop
exact same machine with gaming video card beats a machine with 16 monitor support
and i put a HUGE priority on a nice PSU (love corsair modular gold) and just no way to include that in the scoring..
bottomline pitstop is a bit subjective for me
first off, that video card will support 4 monitors not 2. they can be stacked to do 8, 12, 16, etc. they cost $190. you will save money getting a card that does 2 monitors for ~70 each but you will run out of slots faster.
a motherboard with 4 pci express slots will let you have 8 monitors if you do 2xdvi or 16 monitors if you do 4xdvi. 90% of the builds i do are for max 6 monitors and i use 3 cards 2xdvi with 1 free pci express slot
here is an example just under 1k using AMD motherboard and CPU. 3.4ghz quad core, 2x500gb hard drives, 2 2xDVI video cards, 8gb ram. similar intel setup will cost you ~150 more. i would personally suggest ~50 for an aftermarket cpu cooler and for about ~45more you can get 12gb ram.
ive listed 2 500gb drives here with the hope you would raid them, this gives you only 500gb of space but if one drive dies you are safe from data loss. you could go with one drive but at the cost of drives its silly. if you need more room 750gb, 1tb, 2tb drives are not all that much more. SSD drives are the newest and fastest but they will blow your budget.
if it was my money i would also spend 50-60 more on a higher end power supply but the one selected is a good one.
+70 for 1 more video card 2xdvi for 6xdvi total
1 ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Model #:DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS
In Stock
$21.99 $21.99
1 Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #:Three Hundred
$69.95 -$10.00 Instant $59.95
2 Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:WD6401AALS
$59.99 $119.98
2 EVGA 01G-P3-N959-TR GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Model #:01G-P3-N959-TR
$69.99 -$10.00 Instant $119.98
1 CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power ...
Model #:CMPSU-650HX
$139.99 -$20.00 Instant $119.99
1 G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBSR
Model #:F3-10666CL9D-8GBSR
$84.99 $84.99
1 AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
Model #:HDZ965FBGMBOX
$139.99 $139.99
1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit English 1-Pack - OEM
Model #:GFC-02050
$99.99 $99.99
1 GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Model #:GA-890FXA-UD5
$189.99 -$15.00 Instant $174.99
Subtotal: $941.85
I don't care to let some salesman at tigerdirect or newegg create a 'bundle' for me.. and pay attention to the parts they leave out, like a windows license and hard drive.
a prebuilt normally won't have a motherboard to support multiple pci express video cards.
the number of monitors you want will dictate the motherboard you need..
if you just want 3 monitors you can get a motherboard with 1 pci-x slot but youll need a higher end video card to run 3 and have a very limited upgrade path
a motherboard with 2 pci-x slots will let you use 2 cheaper cards that support 2xDVI each for 4 total. you could upgrade to 6-8 monitors but it will cost more in the long run
if you plan to later move to 6+ monitors you want to get a motherboard with 3+ pci-x slots
you will save money now but cost more later by not planning for the upgrade in number of monitors so...
3 monitors now, maybe 4 soon and maybe 6-8 total later?
if you have 1000 for a budget you can build a nice system if you do it yourself... as far as 'hoping for less' maybe you can but IMO you have to cut some corners.
with 1k you can go with a 4core amd setup and use the money you save from getting an amd vs intel to get a better psu, more pci-x slots, more/better ram, more monitors, etc.
if your prepared to spend 1k and build yourself, narrow down the monitor situation and LMK and i will put together a wishlist on newegg and maybe a couple others will chime in on how they would spend 1k.
you have a budget in mind? plan to run more than 3 monitors later? what type of minitors (vga/dvi/hdmi)?
building a pc today is no more difficult than p4 but there are some changes:
the socket is changed and there are a few options 1366 1155 1156
ddr3
pci express
modular power supplies
control panel, folder options.. click on the view tab and uncheck the first box "always show icons, never thumbnails"
then in explorer upper right hand side you can change the size
when you look at new power supplies i would highly suggest a Corsair... Modular power supplies are the way to go
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007657+50001459+600029977&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=58&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=
the difference between a bronze certified and a gold certified is about 7% efficiency which means it converts less of your electricity to heat.
By design, the 64-bit version of Internet Explorer cannot host 32-bit ActiveX controls. Additionally, the 32-bit version of Internet Explorer cannot host 64-bit ActiveX controls.
so... its not a bug its a 'feature' =)
right click the taskbar and select properties. change 'taskbar buttons:' to never combine
i also prefer to see all my icons in the notification area so also in the taskbar properties click customize in the notification area box and select the box at the bottom "always show..." or select the ones you want to see
last thing i like is.. right click desktop, personalize, on the left side click change desktop icons and put a check next to the ones u want on the desktop
you can get a USB to Ethernet adapter but i cant speak about their performance as i have never used one.
sounds like you need a better surge protector. i would go with a battery backup with built in surge and hardware guarantee.
before you buy a dell again check with one of us that builds systems and see if we cant come close on price. i am personally a little higher then dell but you wont have the same motherboard problem and the psu will have built in over voltage protection. same would be true for the others on here that build pc's
what OS
disable "Privacy Sweep"
Its sad that a lot of builders only offer 1yr on a computer when most of the parts carry a lot longer warranty. I have always offered 3 year minimum warranty or longer when the specific part carries a longer manufacturer warranty.
example manufacturer warranties on the latest system i did
case lian li 1 yr - i have never had to replace a broken case
motherboard - 3 years
cpu - 3 years
ram - lifetime
cd/dvd - 1 year - these are pretty cheap fortunately
hard drives - 5 years
video cards - 2 years
psu - 7 years
I think refurbished items have their place, i would buy a refurb for the kids to mess around on.. for a trade station i dont want to worry about an issue in the middle of a trade.. if you want to save a few hundred its rather easy even on a custom built pc. drop down from a 6 core to a 4 core and save 300 or go to an amd from intel and save a few hundred.
switch from windows to linux and save 130!
plan for your next upgrade when you build a pc, this might cost you more today and save you from buying a new pc in 3 years. which ultimately saves you money.. example.. a motherboard that supports 24gb memory vs one that supports 8gb allows you room for a nice upgrade 2 years from now.
it uses 149 watts idle and 247 at full load
you'll be close to 500watts at full load
I'm aware of cascading a SAN, they also use cascading switches. just didn't follow you with regard to the RAID.
I think we have gone off topic and i don't even remember where this all started... maybe your asking if anyone had used SSD drives? =)
anyhow.. you replied to me in a private message and i no longer pay for an account so cant respond..
you mentioned mirrored drives being advantageous because the system can read from either disk if one disk is busy.. this prevents a disk 'jumping around/thrashing' while trying to pull data from various locations on a platter.. that's one of the benefits of SSD and the reason the read times on SSD is so much faster, there is nothing spinning and seeking. some people still insist on defragging a SSD but most manufactures suggest not.. the SSD controller has multiple pipelines so a fragged file actually reads faster when data is split across multiple chips on various controllers. and that is improved yet again with raid.
im using mirror raid aka raid1.
with 2 disks the only other option is striping aka raid0.
mirror/raid1 is an exact copy on each disk, if one disk fails the system will continue to run and you can swap out the disk and rebuild the mirror. 2 64gb ssds gives you 64gb of space. yep you loose some realestate but think of the peace of mind!
striping/raid0 data is split between 2 disks, if either disk fails you are SOL. the benefit is faster write times as data is split between the 2 disks. 2 64gb ssds gives you 128gb of space but ZERO redundancy. you double your chances of failure.
raid10/raid1+0/raid0+1 is a combination. 2 striped drives mirrored to 2 more striped drives. this is called a NESTED or hybrid raid.
i have NEVER heard the term CASCADE raid, nor have i heard of a method of using raid to block low level access users from getting access to information. granted i dont know everything but i have been at this for a long time.. and even now a quick search of google has no information on a cascade raid. the only time i have heard the term cascade is in cascade failure, meaning that one device dies and another device dies, often as a result of the first.