is.....busier than I thought I would be, but not as busy as I could be.
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Happymario, regardless of your results thus far with the various stocks you've invested in, and your attacks on SKTO & Henry Jan, SKTO does have valid operating companies within it's holdings.
That DD was completed personally by others on this board and they vouched for the validity of many of the companies in SKTO. As I've said in the past, "don't expect to retire off of these penny stocks in 60, 90 days, or even in a year". You need to be in this for the LONG HAUL in order to hope to see the results you expect.
IMO, I don't think calling Mr. Jan the names you've called, & continue to call him, is validated because of your personal feelings about your investments. You're a big boy and should be investing based on what you are able to lose if it doesn't go the way you thought it might.
It looks like the economy has hurt many of these start-up companies and I'm sure they are taking whatever measures at their disposal to stay afloat. After all these are the companies that are creating jobs here in the good ol' US of A.
Our Federal Government has bilked Trillions out of the taxpayers pockets and yet we sit here and expound upon the situation of investment loss of a few (or many) penny stocks. These stocks are not winning lottery tickets, but an opportunity to do DD, invest & wait for positive results.
Hang in there friend and look at the solid companies within SKTO. Give them time to dig out of this economic mess we have here in this Country & I believe we may yet see this company perform to its potential.
Just IMO
LiquidateNow, just a thought after reading up on your older posts concerning HOTI & the IPO process.
I bet HOTI would, or could, be considering a RM into the various operating & reporting entities they have been acquiring rather than an straightforward IPO.
It would seem to be a mechanism to accomplish their goal of becoming public in a more expedient manner.
Any thoughts?
LiquidateNow, Who carries the entitlement to delete the assistant to the boards posts?
I would trust that unless your statements were inflammatory, iniquitous, or just outright mendacious it would be difficult for the moderator to "delete" the assistant to the boards posts for no obvious reason. Am I missing something here?
LiquidateNow, I was surprised that after your reference to an indictment of SK3 that you did not personally offer up the information you were referring to, and you also appear to know Tavycal from other boards but they are not the assistant on this board so you should have provided pertinent information to us. You are after all the assistant on this board, and as such I would have hoped for you to provide information to the rest of us. I thought that's why you asked for the assistant job, in order to provide factual information you came across to the rest of us, am I wrong?
I did a little more research and found the SK3 business shell has undergone several changes of ownership & supported several different businesses that have led it to be listed unfavorably in several blogs & web sites.
Researching SK3 I've found that 10 years ago they were selling slab stone on the internet from West Vancouver B.C., and later in 2008 pre-paid telecommunication cards. Now it supports another business model altogether.
LiquidateNow, concerning your reference to indictments, they are different than convictions. Like getting charged with stealing by your brother, but not getting convicted of it. I will wait to see what transpires with the indictment situation you refer to........ though I have to say the saying of 'where there's smoke,.........' comes to mind here.
As always I, and I hope others, review factual information and not feed into mass hysteria promoted by blogs and personal opinions.
One of the greatest motivators in the markets in our time is the internet. It allows anyone to immediately respond to published information, for better or worse.
What it does not allow is for unseasoned investors the time to sit back and seperate the wheat from the chaff prior to reacting either by performing investment strategies that are not based in reality, or by responding via the internet based on their knee-jerk reaction to the published news, once again with no solid factual information to back them up.
The market can, and does, swing wildly based on information published on the web. Many are exploiting this phenomenon for their own personal gain, either by releasing wildly optimistic press releases, or by publishing negative blogs & messages, both in order to affect the market value of various stocks.
I caution everyone & anyone to slow down, research, verify, and then make calculated, educated decisions in anything you do in life.
All this what I have come to call "emotional investing" in everything from stocks, to real estate, to personal belongings, to relationships, etc, etc is leading this world in a direction that is unhealthy at best, and more probably is devastating to our future.
I am surprised all talk of contacting the leadership at SK3 Group has ceased and all that seems to come up now is unsubstantiated theories of whats happening at SK3 based on the latest post.
LOL! don't ask me. It seems LiquidateNow has a better handle on timing.
I have no idea of what is happening at HOTI, though I still think LiquidateNow should call over there and see if they could use her expertise!
LiquidateNow, maybe you should call someone at HOTI and attempt to gain employment with them. They could use your expertise, and then you would be able to provide the transparency we've all been asking for!
With no news out of the company, I doubt anyone here knows what is going on over at HOTI, or can look in their crystal ball and effectively predict what HOTI stock will open at, if it opens at all.
Why the stonewalling from the company at this point? It appears to do nothing other than to negatively affect the stock & irritate the heck out of the investors.
I was not serious about you scaring anyone off. It was a offhanded statement about very few posts once you took over. I was not attempting to raise any discussion about your taking the board over, I'm glad someone did!
I have not been following AEGY as I don't see Thompson's group involved there. I was wondering if the strategy of taking Healthcare of Today ahead had changed and they were looking for more fertile ground than SKTO would provide at the moment.
We were provided PR about SKTO, & then nothing. Like others, waiting to hear something!
2200+ posts for SKTO and now it seems as if everybody disappeared as soon as LiquidateNow took over the board. She can't have scared everybody off right? I see she has jumped over to the AEGY board and posted there so maybe that's where some have gone. Has ANYONE heard ANYTHING concerning what is happening at SKTO?
I've put time aside and have been traveling during the late summer/early fall enjoying some well deserved time off from all the activity of life, so seldom have access to a computer & connection at the same time.
Those that have been following SKTO please post any new news.
Enjoy
Thank you LiquidateNow, you've done a nice job on explaining the thoughts and mechanics behind these deals. Though it sounds as if you've gotten no more information than any of us concerning actual information from HOTI concerning Regenetech. It would be interesting to know why HOTI members continue to sit on the Regenetech Board if the deal has actually unwound.
I'm sure there are many here who are waiting for some verifiable information from any of the players involved. Until that occurs we have little else to go on, or talk about on the SK3 issue.
Thank you again for your efforts to assemble some road map of whats happening and attempting to make sense out of this situation.
DD from Regenetech;
I was looking at the Regenetech site today. The partial list of directors are listed as follows:
Henry L. Jan
Henry Jan is founder and CEO of Healthcare of Today, Inc., where he acquired and developed over 40 companies within a two year period. Mr. Jan has developed fully reporting public entities as well as lead reverse mergers for companies including: Healthcare of Today Services, Inc.; Alternative Energy Group, Inc.; Eneftech Corporation; Move Films, Inc.; United Film Partners, Inc.; and Neptune Industries. He has served as CEO and Founder of for-profit and nonprofit companies including: Presto! Coffee, LLC; Matriarch Advertising; ILN Insurance, Inc.; Clarity One Financial, Inc.; Media Arts Entertainment; ILN Industries, Inc.; Evolving Minds Communications; Merge Magazine, Inc; Nurses of Today, Inc.; Locate Space, Inc.; and Skyhill Living, Inc.
Mr. Jan sits on the Board of Directors of Real Medicine Foundation. He received his BS from the University of Southern California, attended South Texas College of Law, and is a licensed Real Estate Broker in the State of California.
Robert Hipple
Mr. Hipple is an attorney, law professor and senior executive with 35 years experience as president and chief executive officer, chief financial officer and general counsel, as well as a director, for several public (NYSE, AMEX and NASDAQ) companies. He also has extensive experience with public mergers, acquisitions and capital raising, along with personal relations with investment banks, broker/dealers, and market makers, and has taught both taxation and federal securities law at Georgetown University Law School, Emory University Law School, the University of San Diego School of Law and Florida AM University College of Law. Mr. Hipple also has been a Visiting Professor of Law at Florida AM University College of Law, was President and CEO of International Trust Financial Systems, Inc., a publicly traded financial services company in 2002 and 2003 and was Senior Vice President and General Counsel of Enesco, Inc., a New York Stock Exchange listed company based in the Chicago area from August 1999 to April 2001. He was also contract Chief Financial Officer for Neptune Industries, Inc., an OTC BB traded (NPDI) company in the aquaculture business based in Boca Raton, Florida through December 2008, and contract Chief Financial Officer of United EcoEnergy Corp., a BDC concentrating in the alternative energy market.
Michael B. Holder
Mr. Michael Holder is an experienced executive with over 25 years of demonstrated success in operational, fund-raising, corporate governance and transactional capacities in the medical technology, healthcare, hospital group purchasing, information technology and in other industries. Mr. Holder is currently Chairman and CEO of Organ Transport Systems, Inc., a leading medical device company. Prior to his current role, Mr. Holder ran the Information Technology Solutions business for Premier Inc., an $18 billion hospital group purchasing organization. During Mr. Holder’s career, he has also served as an executive and board director with a leading healthcare technology company, Beacon Eye Centers, Inc., where he completed an IPO and a strategic sale of the company, and with the Sam Walton family private equity fund, Heartland Capital Partners, L.P. Mr. Holder has also executed corporate strategy including mergers and acquisitions for AMR Corporation as well as its airline, information technology, and travel related subsidiaries. Mr. Holder currently serves on the boards of Organ Transport Systems, Inc., Servergy, Inc. and Tribute Medical Investments, LLC. Mr. Holder received his M.B.A. from the Wharton School of Business, his B.S. in Business Administration from the University of North Carolina, and previously earned a CPA designation in Texas.
Holder seems to be, or has been, heavily involved with many National companies. He is part of OTS. He certainly looks to have all the credentials and experience required to lead this group forward.
I've heard some negative chatter on this board about Hipple but do not know if that is all relevant to whats going on here. He also looks to have some pretty heavy and well respected experience.
No one seems to know much about Mr. Jan, which is probably why he is a consistent target of negative posts. If he should happen to present himself publicly, he would probably squelch some of the negative press surrounding him on this board. That being said: I have to believe someone has collected all these companies together, so until proven otherwise, I have to think he is real.
Most of their credentials listed in the PR should be easy enough to track.
There has been talk here of Regenetech "pulling out" of the deal with HOTI. Seeing that three of the people sitting on their board also are heavily involved with HOTI does this make sense?
Can anyone clarify whats really going on over at Regenetech concerning the HOTI deal?
I agree with LiquidateNow.
Thank you for the history lesson on accounting & vertical integration.
Here's what I see:
I've said all along, there needs to be transparency with this company. But, other than Lilly from HOTI and the person (Irish eyes) who posted here quite awhile ago claiming to be a consultant for the company, who do we have direct access to that can answer these questions?
It seems as if we need to get back to the basics to answer the question of the strategic direction this company is taking to get itself trading on the big boards, that and some solid numbers need to be released. There seems to have been many fundamental changes in direction as Mr. Jan acquired companies. So many changes have occurred I believe none of us have kept up with the core strategic direction. Possibly even HOTI itself needs to readdress the issue of its makeup & direction.
These questions certainly can not be answered by conjecture of this board. We need clean & current information from the company.
Any thoughts?
LiquidateNow, I'm more than a little surprised by your post.
You exhibit a complex in it I did not expect by prejudging or predetermining that "I doubt anyone would like me or want me". Your posts have exhibited a personality with much depth, strength, knowledge & character.
I feel you would do a fine job as moderator of this board based upon your various posts and obvious insight in the field of investment. Go for it
I believe most on this board hope for weekly, if not even daily, updates from the company. But your assumption that the company is performing audits and other required items to complete the required steps to do this correctly is probably spot on.
I've said, as many others have on this board, that this is a long term stock. It's probably best to buy some, put it away, and don't even look at it, or think about it, for a year. Patience seems to be a virtue with this stock.
There were many posting on this board that no longer are. Maybe they have sold all their stock and have moved on. It looks as if there are 4 or 5 large stock holders left here. Other than the announced name change to HOTS from SKTO, has anyone heard any substantial news?
I'm amazed at all the action on the AEGY board. Maybe all the former SKTO posters have changed names and moved over to the AEGY board?
Hi HappyMario, my interest here all along was and remains following the career and business investments of certain political figures. I also had former associates that knew Mr. Tommy Thompson so he was of special interest. I was not researching HOTI as my main goal. I like many others here claim, do not live on the West coast where most of HOTI holdings are so I do not have the access to physically check out the acquisitions. I do know that OTS is verifiable and that the process to bring it into HOTI holdings is complete. I am somewhat comfortable that Mr. Thomson & his fellow board members would have completed sufficient DD prior to inking off on the deal with HOTI. That was all I was interested about. Though I have chimed in on various other issues on the board when they were interesting, or I thought someone was way off base concerning what should be common sense. (That would keep anyone busy here)
I have talked to Lilly about the OTS deal and she is real. I do not know about the CEO, Mr. Jan. Has anyone talked to him from this board? I have called a few of the acquisitions listed on the website and they indicated they were part of Mr. Jan's company but would not divulge, or did not know any information concerning HOTI.
I flat out will not argue with you concerning anyone's legal status at HOTI, but I will abstain from calling anyone a criminal until such time as they are charged, properly investigated, and convicted. Your "criminal statements" are really loose talk based on your personal feelings and not based, as far as I can ascertain, on anything concrete. If they have conned everyone, they will be brought to justice in this country. Beyond that, and like I've said all along here, there are many, many companies that have signed on with Mr. Jan's company and there are many well respected business managers and owners within those companies that must know much more than any of us on this board know. Until Mr. Jan coughs up some information to us, this is all we have to go on.
Brett Farve retired from professional football & the Minnesota Vikings today according to National news reports that fellow teammates had received texts from Farve informing them of his retirement, no wait a minute, Farve said he did not text anyone and say that. Who do we believe?
Moral of the story?
Grandfather said "Believe nothing of what you hear or read, and only half of what you see".
Good advice to follow in life, and certainly with statements of what is happening with this company, coming from insiders or not.
I for one will continue to follow all HOTI developments. It remains unfounded talk at this point that Regentech is formally and definitively no longer part of HOTI.
Would it be a "blow" to HOTI if Regentech was "gone"? Possibly on some level. Will it be a death knell for HOTI? Doubtful. There were, and remain, many other companies that were in the fold prior to Regentech. They were building this company long before Regentech came along. In my opinion only, HOTI will survive with, or without them.
While in fact it may no longer be part of HOTI, until that is formally announced by either side, we cannot assume it is not, no matter who thinks, or says, it is not. Unless they are directly and legally representing either side, I simply cannot, and will not, validate their statements.
Thank you, at the least your response brings more clarity in my mind as to your validity and your groups.
I certainly would take any chance I had to learn about whatever or whoever I was studying in life.
Glad to see you also lay out your interest in SK3.
Regentech as BL0ODLESS pointed out is not involved directly in the SKTO situation, but in any event we sure have beat the heck out of that issue, haven't we? Rudd is a good source for information about Regentech, the patents and other issues before he stepped down but I would like to converse with people currently involved in the day-to-day issues if I was looking for current direction of Regentech.
Point in case: I am not going to ask Lee Iaccoca about what is happening today, or tomorrow at FORD or Chrysler even though he was the go to man when he was at those companies. Yes I've met and have spent some time with Lee, Bob Schoellhorn, Charlie Strang, Dexter Yager, a few ex-President's and countless other leading industry & political figures that have passed my way in my years on this earth. I'm not saying at all that I know them well, or that it makes me one bit smarter than I would have been without meeting & spending time with these people, but it didn't hurt either. I have sources that I can rely on to provide me with some sense of the world that are much smarter than I am. I've always felt that surrounding myself with people smarter than I am allowed me to pick the best qualities & information available without me having to duplicate everything they knew. You seem to be part of a group that provides you with the same services, lucky you.
Remains to see if Thompson would be an asset the the actual Regentech deal or not. But I guess his being involved on any level would be an asset to HOTI holdings.
Sorry if I pushed a little too hard on you but I tend to connect the dots together when looking at things in life and DollarAtATimes and your posts make interesting, but at times seemingly conflicting, support for either side of the SKTO deal.
LiqudateNow, WHO ARE YOU?
I have read over all your posts and you are very knowledgeable on many issues concerning SKTO/HOTI/GAGI/Regentech, too knowledgeable in my mind. Grandfather said if something smells fishy.............
It is very interesting that by your May 18th post on this board you had already told BL0ODLESS you had more shares than him (how would you know unless you were "inside"), had posted the following post concerning Dr. Rudd: "I checked the patents. The inventor on most of them is Dr. Rudd. I was able to locate him late last night. He said cannot talk during week so have arranged to talk to him Sunday. He apparently is former Chairman of Regenetech, Chief Scientist, inventor of the technology and drafted the patent applications. I will let you know the outcome of the discussion." You soon thereafter posted your conversation with Dr. Rudd.
Your connection and conversations with Dr. Rudd at Regentech goes back further than the last week, that is certain, even though your recent post does not lead anyone to believe that you had previous conversations with him.
You then intimated that DollarAtATime had died and you were representing the "group". You never did say what "group". And do you own more shares than anyone here, or does this so called "group" own more. BTW, you never did provide proof of "her" death so I am somewhat suspect on that issue. But then said you "took over account after discussion with IHub attorneys"? Something else that does not add up.
The OTS deal comment was that you knew Tommy Thompson quite well. I also had people that knew Thompson quite well & my inquiry to you and your subsequent answers provided no clear answers there either.
I believe you are quite involved with the whole HOTI deal, I just have not decided yet where, or how involved.
Make no mistake, I am no clairvoyant, but I did read all of yours and DollarAtATime posts. If anyone takes the time to read all of them, they will certainly postulate the theory that you are more than just a casual SKTO investor. And with your seemingly boundless expertise in all things stock related, I can hardly see you playing in the mud of penny stocks just for the fun of it. Your level of investment knowledge is wasted upon penny stocks unless you are here for purposes beyond what your fellow SKTO investors are.
I do not expect you to "fess up" here on anything because you don't have too. I just read all your posts with an eye towards the fact that you probably are not quite what, or who, you present to the board.
And, sorry for your confusion in understanding my comment. I should have clearly said either you're here to help your fellow researchers & investors by offering to the board what you indicate you know about SK3, or you're here to self-serve your own purposes with no thought towards assisting the fellow posters on this site and will keep relevant & factual information to yourself.
If I read your post correctly you have more relevant information concerning SKTO that you have not shared with the other members on this board.
I have to imagine you are on this board for one of two reasons: to either assist in disseminating relevant and factual information to the rest of your fellow investors, or.........
Your response will determine which category you're in.
Anything new is relevant! It sounds as if you possibly know more about SK3 by you question?
LiguidateNow, you are right also, Dr. Rudd is probably a good source of background info on Regentech, but as BL0ODLESS said, he probably cannot divulge anything of relative importance seeing his "insider" status. In any event good footwork. Lets see some up to date information on SK3!
Thank you BL0ODLESS and point well taken. It is easy some-day's to get easily distracted with discussions involving all the other companies associated with HOTI.
You are quite right that Regentech has little or no effect on SK3, or AEGY for that matter.
Regentech has not even been placed into a corporate shell that is trading stock yet has it? I was reading the PR releases but cannot determine where it was to be placed yet, or did I miss something?
Happymario, you are also right, some people here seem to bring up whatever negative points they can dig up or fabricate to shed a negative light on SKTO or any of the other HOTI companies that currently have stock out there.
I'm sure this same issues happens to other companies stocks also so we should just take it all in stride, do our own DD and be satisfied with whatever our involvement is with whatever stock we invest in, SKTO or otherwise.
This is the USA, you're right, there was probably no one in the office at that time!
Still does not satisfy the very basic question of why it ended up in his email when in reality he is no longer involved at the company, and other than being a stock holder and having "friends" that work there, no longer has any management ties to Regentech.
You probably should have asked him why it was redirected to him. His statement of he gets lots of emails does not satisfy the question of why your email directed to Regentech ended up in his box.
That of course would have been one of my first questions, especially after he had told me he had been contacted by securities regulators limiting his release of information.
This whole redirected email path from Regentech to Dr. Rudd & his subsequent statements concern my somewhat analytical & exploratory mind.
Help BL0ODLESS, I need your expertise here to answer a question.
The Dr Rudd post said:
"He started by saying his remarks would be limited by the fact he has been contacted by securities regulators which limits some comments, and also he would not say anything that would waive attorney client privilege.
Rudd appears to be very intelligent and very knowledgeable about all aspects of Regenetech."
My question: If he is very knowledgeable about all aspects of Regentech and in fact originated almost all the patents they have, why did securities regulators contact him & limit his comments?
Who requested that he be contacted by the securities regulators to limit his release of information and why?
He indicated he was in contact & friends with Regentech personnel. Certainly Dr. Wolf his friend did not muzzle him.
He sounds extremely knowledgeable about Regentech, as he should being in the position he was and the inventor of their technology, but something does not add up in my mind when government regulatory officials contact you to limit your ability to comment on a company you basically indicated you created, managed and are a major stock holder in.
Any ideas?
BL0ODLESS, the content of his email was posted in his reply.
It said: "I curiously emailed Regenetech asking for their comment on whether a change in ownership or association to HealthcareofToday Inc had occured."
I know the response said Dr. Rudd gets many direct e-mails but he did say "I curiously emailed Regentech", he did not say he directly emailed Dr. Rudd or even asked to be redirected to Dr. Rudd. For whatever reason someone at the company must have taken the initiative to redirect the email. Just following the details and trying to understand the mechanism that brought Dr. Rudd into the picture.
I still don't know why the company would have redirected a simple query like that to Dr. Rudd as it sounds as if he really did not know the answer to the question put forth in the original email to Regentech.
He sounded as if he was quite willing & open with his life story, but it does sound as if he knows a lot more than he is willing or legally able to lay out on the HOTI/Regentech deal.
I found it interesting that he said the deal was probably over due to a conversation he had with a Dr. Wolf and then in the next statement said that neither side could afford the litigation if the deal feel apart.
If neither side cannot afford the "substantial litigation", are we to assume they are attempting to work out some common ground deal or is the deal in the pot and both sides are going to incur and endure the "substantial litigation" Dr. Rudd referred to?
This conversation opened up another whole set of questions in my mind, but did little to effectively clear up the initial question of why Regentech is no longer on the HOTI website.
BL0ODLESS, maybe it is time to contact Regentech personnel, possibly this Dr. Wolf, and personnel from HOTI with the comments provided by Dr. Rudd and see if we can shake loose some information from either end.
Looking at Rudd's web page he obviously is/was a "heavy hitter". He certainly has more degrees than Carter has liver pills. Going back in my memory when researching this company I believe the Regentech agreement with HOTI was fraught with frustrating issues, one being the patents that Rudd held. This may play out to be a very interesting DD path.
Though I still believe the Regentech agreements concerning Bio-molecules with SKTO would stay in place no matter what happens.
After a little more reading I still don't see where Regentech is a direct acquisition by SKTO and why it would affect its stock value if it was no longer part of HOTI.
This line of discussion reminds me of getting off on a "what's the new Ford truck like" tangent on the Dodge Truck Blog site. Interesting reading but no direct correlation to the relevant questions being sought on the Dodge Truck!
I find it somewhat interesting, no, make that disturbing, that an e-mail request from a unknown source for current information directed at any company that has a current chairman would then re-direct you to a former chairman.
It would be interesting to see what he has to say, but I would caution against placing too much validation on that conversation as he certainly would not be up on the minute to minute developments.
That observation is based on former chairman's I know & their role in current operations at a company they formerly were in control of, and some of them are substantial stock holders in those former companies. Some still sit on the boards of other major corporations and still have no idea of what is happening on a day-to-day basis.
The fact you were re-directed to a former "anyone" concerns me more than anything. Why would any company do that? It just does not make sense unless he was retained as a information officer or equivalent liaison to the general public.
Would your past employer or company have people calling for current information contact you for information on their company? I highly doubt it.
Digging around on the web & this board lead me to surmise the former management's departure from Regentech was less than a happy or agreeable parting.
My advice would be to take whatever you gather from him with a grain of salt and follow up his conversation with someone currently in charge at Regenetech and put forth whatever he said to verify it with current management.
That would be a prudent DD strategy at the very least in this case!
Maybe you could try asking him for Henry Jan's number so you could verify what he tells you with someone who actually is still sitting on the board of the company!
Hi everyone, I thought HOTI was a majority stock holder in Regentech and that Jan was sitting on the board. If those two items are factually relevant to this discussion, and both remain status quo, I would be lead to believe that there is some other reason that Regentech is currently not listed on HOTI's website.
There seems to be much talk about Regentech being "gone". Does anyone have any solid information that they are indeed "gone", or is this more loosely supported speculation based on something less than the fact Regentech is currently not being listed on the HOTI website?
As I stated earlier Regentech has "disappeared" from the web site before and then reappeared with some minor updates. Not saying that is the case here, but possibly?
As usual, only factual due diligence should make a difference to this board, but it seems that many love to create posts based purely on innuendo and/or speculative issues hoping to move this stock either up, or down.
Barring a press release or Lilly actually indicating Regentech is "gone", we can only "assume" there is some internal reason it is not currently listed on the HOTI website.
Unless someone has solid information otherwise, we should not buy into "the sky is falling" mentality of others. They usually have a hidden agenda.
Regenetech has been pulled from the HOTI web-site several times before & updated and re-posted.
I have seen no announcement that they are not part of HOTI. Will have to do DD though to see if it is not going to be part of the Biotech subsidiary Jan mentioned. Has a name for that entity even been publicly announced?
Look at Jan's April 14, 2010 update letter. If I'm reading it correctly, nowhere does it infer or imply that Regenetech is going to be part of SKTO/HOTS.
If that is indeed true, even if it was no longer part of the HOTI family, nothing has been lost from the SKTO/HOTS subsidiary.
We are tracking SKTO/HOTS stock issues here & I don't believe the HOTI subsidiary that is to include Regenetech even has a name or stock to purchase yet, or does it?
I get somewhat confused as to how all these companies are to be connected, but after reading Jan's latest letter on the HOTI website I don't believe Regenetech has any direct connection to SKTO/HOTS company value or its stock value. Am I right?
There are many programs for schools to use Biomass Combustion Systems, Wind Electric Systems, Solar Hot-Water Systems, Solar Electric Systems, Alternate-Fuel for buses and on and on. Below are just a few currently operating programs for alternative energy use in schools, government buildings & others.
I've included a few links here to those programs. The last link was a proposal by an Ohio lawmaker to install panels on 2000 schools. The unique part of his proposal was that it would drop the cost of panels for everyone because of the large order, and that they would feed the excess production back into the grid during the summer when school was out to meet summer demand.
Its here to stay no doubt. And once energy prices rise again, which they cannot help but to, you will hear & see more about this technology.
NOTE: I can't get the last link to work, but look it up on Google and you will find it there.
www.nyserda.org/programs/schools/default.asp
www.focusonenergy.com/Business/Schools-and-Government/Default.aspx
www.naseo.org/members/programs/default.aspx
www.seco.cpa.state.tx.us/re_solar_pv.htm
blog.cleveland.com/.../solar_panels_proposed_for_2000.html
I'm sorry if you thought that I indicated that it wouldn't "pencil out" at 10% or so, just that it is not feasible to install 750,000 sq ft of panels that would cover the 100% energy usage on acreage in So. Cal., and the hospital does not have that much roof space available. The cost/value of the land required to do that would far exceed any savings you could recoup from current rebates or incentives and energy savings.
Know that I am a ardent supporter of any cost saving measures that can be implemented & justified over the long haul for any business or homeowner. Alternative energy is just one of the methods I support.
I knew people on the transition team for Obama and had several emails back & forth on just the incentive packages you mention. At the time they were not "up to speed" on what could be utilized. Though I'm sure the mechanisms are in place now to fund any applications that meet set criteria.
There is no doubt alternative energy is here to stay, in one form or another!
BTW, does anyone know which wind farm/s BP energy owns? I know their portfolio has wind energy production in it but am looking to see where the farms are located. Most seem to think they only have interests in oil & gas stations, that could not be further from the truth. Many of the large oil companies have invested in alternative forms of energy over the last decade. I believe this is because they are investing in a future where oil is not the first form of energy production for all needs.
Quite honestly LiquidateNow, this is the most sensible, meaningful, useful & heartfelt post I've read since joining IHub.
You have hit upon the very essence, in #7, of what needs to be paid close attention to the most when building any kind of relationship, business or otherwise, people.
We the people, whether investors, employees, or otherwise should be treated fairly & equitably whilst management is proceeding ahead with the creation of this company. Timely PR and factual information should be the norm, not the exception.
I would like to see something of the nature of your 7 points posted on EVERY companies post board and in the office of every CEO. We really need to get back to the basics of what made this Country strong, and it was not the CEO but the people surrounding the CEO.
As you so eloquently & bluntly lay forth; "To the Chairman or President: You are not God. You don't have to try to act like God or pretend to be God." Brilliant!
DollarFan, you are both right on this one. LiquidateNow was on the right track on stating 100% solar would currently never pencil out, or even be considered due to the size of the collector array for the aforementioned project. Currently available technology permits only supplemental systems on projects with a hospitals energy requirements, due to the ratio of required array size to production output.
I believe the PR could have been clearer on the actual percentage of what they expected out of this system. Anyone fully involved with solar as an alternative source would have "assumed" this was never intended to be a 100% system. The person writing it may have been smarter than we were and just accepted that everyone else that read it would also know a 100% solar replacement solution was not feasible today.
In any event the fact remains that they are tying together vertically integrated companies to produce multiple streams of income which is Henry Jan's "grand plan". That is a sound strategic plan. And serves well to the old "economy of scale" thought process.
What remains in question is; How is Jan & company exactly doing this and why have they been less than openly transparent of the whole process as they move forward?
The only thing I can think of is that they have such a unique plan that they are shielding it from full disclosure so as to not "tip their hand" to competitors. And as long as parts of this company are private we can expect less than full disclosure on all parts of the plan.
Possibly they plan to gobble everything up needed to complete Jan's vision (they ARE doing a LOT of gobbling up) and then spring the "trap" on the whole industry? This route of action does make it harder for anyone to challenge them in the marketplace as they will be the leader of a new segment and it will take years for anyone else to catch up.
Someday's I think we can all take ownership of "stupid". We would not be human if we couldn't. My Mother used to say there was only one perfect man (God), and it wasn't me!
Your points were very well stated. They should have said it was a supplemental system thus avoiding any misunderstanding.
LOL! At least they didn't say they were putting a solar cooking stove on top of the building!!!!
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I forgot to address your one statement LiquidateNow. What do you propose we utilize as a energy source to move every vehicle & operate every piece of machinery in this Country when we run out of gasoline & diesel, or it becomes too costly to utilize? (this will happen sooner or later)
I would really like to see your thought process on future energy uses as it seems you are stuck on what you can make today off the market with no thought of investing towards your future mankind's world. This is where true philanthropist's operate, seeing & constructing a better world for future generations while building generational wealth from that foresight.
Ethanol or some other form of energy will have to be utilized, any ideas?
You may yet make "tens of millions on ethanol from corn", or seaweed, or plankton, or whatever is in vogue when the oil spigot shuts off!
Think ahead!
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Great discussions! Liquidate, I don't think anyone has ever suggested we are going to operate everything 100% on solar in this Country. 10% is reasonable to expect as a supplemental energy source according to alternative energy supporters.
Where your retort falls apart is thinking that someone would consider installing & maintaining 3/4 of a million square feet of solar panel for one facility in order to fulfill 100% of their energy needs, that approach to this discussion is unsupportable at best.
And this is where most lay people fall short in their thought process when they approach solar, or any alternative energy source.
Let's follow the pioneers thinking on this subject matter;
My background in strategic development research has brought me in touch with some of the "hippie pioneers" of alternative energy. They can be pretty far out there in their thought process, but they are the ones that helped bring this technology to where it is today so who am I to argue? One in particular lives 100% off the grid and incorporates rain water collection, LED/CFL light technology, water cooling, thermal mass storage, wind, solar, wood heat & cooking and a host of other alternative methods to support his off the grid lifestyle. Radical, but knowledgeably someone who understand this industry & it's direction far better than I.
I've ran some of these scenarios past them for their thoughts. Their take is to be competitive in a world of increasing energy costs, incorporating any form of alternative energy source, wind, solar, wood waste, water, nuclear, ect, ect, that would decrease a facilities energy use would allow them to have a competitive advantage over facilities that had not incorporated any form of alternative energy.
Their comments were that solar has never been the total answer to the equation but just one of a long list of potential answers. They also talked about conventional issues such as air infiltration, window placement, insulation, construction materials, building placement and on & on......
They did inform me the long-term thought is that solar energy production holds some of the most promise of advancement through technology to increase its current output over other forms such as wind or water and that they felt solar had the least amount of maintenance issues over a 30+ year life span.
They had told me there is less hope of advancement in generation output for wind & water unless the basics of speed to output factors can be manipulated further than current models.
Saving 10% can most certainly be the difference between business sustainability and failure. And that is at current energy costs, which I wouldn't bet against raising.
This Country has graduated from wood to coal to oil to natural gas & nuclear as each previous energy source became more costly or scare. Alternative will become the common just as our current forms of energy did. And costs will decrease as that happens.
You may not be old enough to fathom this, but there was a time not far removed from our own when gas lighting in our city homes & streets was the preferred source of lighting as electric was considered "alternative", "expensive", "unsafe" and not trusted!
Whether we like it, embrace it, or even understand it, energy sources currently considered "alternative" will have to be incorporated on some level in our future business models in order for our businesses to remain competitive, or even sustainable.
I think this may open your mind up better to AEGY's business model.
BTW LiqudateNow, my "hippie guru's" live a somewhat reclusive lifestyle and I was somewhat surprised to learn one of their greatest hopes for future alternative energy were small portable home based nuclear reactors that would provide a families energy needs for two or three generations in many different living environments, which would in effect make their current uses of wind, solar & such obsolete. Like they seem to enjoy telling me "put that in your pipe & smoke it"!
Like I said they think way above my head!!
I forgot to address your one statement LiquidateNow. What do you propose we utilize as a energy source to move every vehicle & operate every piece of machinery in this Country when we run out of gasoline & diesel, or it becomes too costly to utilize? (this will happen sooner or later)
I would really like to see your thought process on future energy uses as it seems you are stuck on what you can make today off the market with no thought of investing towards your future mankind's world. This is where true philanthropist's operate, seeing & constructing a better world for future generations while building generational wealth from that foresight.
Ethanol or some other form of energy will have to be utilized, any ideas?
You may yet make "tens of millions on ethanol from corn", or seaweed, or plankton, or whatever is in vogue when the oil spigot shuts off!
Think ahead!
Great discussions! Liquidate, I don't think anyone has ever suggested we are going to operate everything 100% on solar in this Country. 10% is reasonable to expect as a supplemental energy source according to alternative energy supporters.
Where your retort falls apart is thinking that someone would consider installing & maintaining 3/4 of a million square feet of solar panel for one facility in order to fulfill 100% of their energy needs, that approach to this discussion is unsupportable at best.
And this is where most lay people fall short in their thought process when they approach solar, or any alternative energy source.
Let's follow the pioneers thinking on this subject matter;
My background in strategic development research has brought me in touch with some of the "hippie pioneers" of alternative energy. They can be pretty far out there in their thought process, but they are the ones that helped bring this technology to where it is today so who am I to argue? One in particular lives 100% off the grid and incorporates rain water collection, LED/CFL light technology, water cooling, thermal mass storage, wind, solar, wood heat & cooking and a host of other alternative methods to support his off the grid lifestyle. Radical, but knowledgeably someone who understand this industry & it's direction far better than I.
I've ran some of these scenarios past them for their thoughts. Their take is to be competitive in a world of increasing energy costs, incorporating any form of alternative energy source, wind, solar, wood waste, water, nuclear, ect, ect, that would decrease a facilities energy use would allow them to have a competitive advantage over facilities that had not incorporated any form of alternative energy.
Their comments were that solar has never been the total answer to the equation but just one of a long list of potential answers. They also talked about conventional issues such as air infiltration, window placement, insulation, construction materials, building placement and on & on......
They did inform me the long-term thought is that solar energy production holds some of the most promise of advancement through technology to increase its current output over other forms such as wind or water and that they felt solar had the least amount of maintenance issues over a 30+ year life span.
They had told me there is less hope of advancement in generation output for wind & water unless the basics of speed to output factors can be manipulated further than current models.
Saving 10% can most certainly be the difference between business sustainability and failure. And that is at current energy costs, which I wouldn't bet against raising.
This Country has graduated from wood to coal to oil to natural gas & nuclear as each previous energy source became more costly or scare. Alternative will become the common just as our current forms of energy did. And costs will decrease as that happens.
You may not be old enough to fathom this, but there was a time not far removed from our own when gas lighting in our city homes & streets was the preferred source of lighting as electric was considered "alternative", "expensive", "unsafe" and not trusted!
Whether we like it, embrace it, or even understand it, energy sources currently considered "alternative" will have to be incorporated on some level in our future business models in order for our businesses to remain competitive, or even sustainable.
I think this may open your mind up better to AEGY's business model.
BTW LiqudateNow, my "hippie guru's" live a somewhat reclusive lifestyle and I was somewhat surprised to learn one of their greatest hopes for future alternative energy were small portable home based nuclear reactors that would provide a families energy needs for two or three generations in many different living environments, which would in effect make their current uses of wind, solar & such obsolete. Like they seem to enjoy telling me "put that in your pipe & smoke it"!
Like I said they think way above my head!!
Great post. No arguments on my end. This is one of the more informative posts on this board. Thank you for some insightful & meaningful information.