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Hello every one long time
I have been in this money whole for over a year I got in at the same price as it is now nothing has changed in over a year.
where is this being sold list of stores out side vegas.
how many promises has jd come through with.
what is jd history with companies he has been involved with.
I wish every one well and hi Doc glad to see you are still supporting this.
I do agree with mohawk in a way.
a company belongs to the stockholders from the point that we vote with our money.
If we are happy with the way the company is being run we invest if we are un-happy with the company we do not invest.
Other then that we have no say so in the day to day operation other then suggestions.
Now I have stock in this company and plan to buy more when i see either the management treat the stockholders with more respect and make sounder marketing choices and back up what they promise. Or the price drops to 0001.
I am voting with my money and holding back is my vote of being un-happy.
Bionic should count it self very lucky it has a great group of core investors.
Dale this is March 09 corp taxes have be done they have the information why do they feel the need to keep this information from the investors.
Please a factual answer with logical reasoning not a flip answer my questions are being asked with respect please answer with respect
Sales report Dale
has JD released a sales report for any quarter yet and if not why?
I like your post and agree with you 100% your view is the same as mine.
I wish this was my opinion only unfortunately I have seen it first hand in a small company I was involved in the talks with them and after they were done it would of cost us more money then we would of made. look at the cost factor the liquid, the can, the packaging to there specs not yours, shipping, then for every day your up front money is tied up that cost it is called interest and a small start up company does not get great interest rates they are a high risk. and then they want you to sell to them at cost with a promise if things go good with this lot they will up the order and revisit price.
I have also been through this with a big international company that can aford to play the game.
For the expiration date issue lets say it is 6 month here is how it goes 3 months goes by bang no money no call 4 month you contact them hey where is my money they say let us check into it i think they are reviewing the sales projections based on the last 3 months and it looks good for upping the order.
bang you get excited sit quietly 5 months you call they say it is in review still not wanting to blow the deal you do not push month 6 you call this time you push hell you have to you are now paying late penalty on the loans they say great news we want to order another million cans but first we need to send the few cans we have left back for credit they have exspired ok how many cans just a few so you say ok send them a few ok how much can a few be 20,000 may be but we get another million order right. the cans arrive 100,000 or 200,000 cans you are in the whole now and to save the company you barrow more money to make the next walmart run and pay off the last loan. if you can carry them for a year then it could work out great but how many small companys can do that.
ok yes i am not a walmart fan i have seen there unsavory buisness practices back to the late 80's wal mart has made a carreer of killing small companys.
eddy you must be in a sell mode
will turning down walmart and sams club is a good thing not a bad if that happened. both walmart and sams club (one in the same) will break a small company you need money to play with them> they will order like a million cans wow cool we are rich ahhh not so pilgram you have to pay to produce that million cans then walmart has a 90 day billing cycle if you are lucky and walmart wants it at cost plus 10% for ordering so much now they want expiration dates on the cans will what happens after 90 days and you still have not been paid you call them hey where is my money they say ok not a problem but we have 500,000 cans that have expired so we are returning them for credit. now you paid for 1 million cans to be produced then 90 days latter walmart returns 500,000 cans for credit how much money did you make 0.0 and more then likely you are in the whole. and what are you going to do with the 500,000 cans they have a expiration date on them empty all of them and repackage them in new cans?
refuseing walmart is a smart thing to do
any one that sells is crazy this is a long term stock.
Sirius can be bigger then GE you wonder how with the adition of XM it makes a world of communication technology available to imagine wirless high speed internet WIMAX and if you can supply wireless internet then what about mobile phones and lets not forget about TV and a line of MID's (mobile internet device) that has everything built in to them who could compete against that line up.
this could be a long stockholders dream the typ of company that makes a stockholder wet
Very true any company right now that still has there doors open is doing good I am afraid we are in a time that only the strong will survive effect
it is ok Doc I was teasing you warp humor here
LOL Doc I think you just compared me to a douchbag lol.
I would market that to stores near houses of pleasure make a killing lol.
Yes I do understand start up companies and the programs I have been part of that process for a few start ups.
Your marketing focus depends on your product every MFG has 2 products the first is the one they make ie energy drink, douchbags, or what ever the second is stocks. if you just want to produce stock then that is one marketing plan if you want to produce product that is another plan.
Either product is ok but you take diff roads the diff is if you take the produce a item road the stock will lag behind but will get there adventually. if you take the stock road the produced product never really gets there and it is a short term venture pump the stock then sell the company.
the best lesson in good marketing balanced with good sales coordinating is the pet rock, another good one is the history of hersheys choc.
The bottom line is get your product in the face of the consumer not sitting in a building hopping some one will order it you have to push and then pusn harder to build a start up company.
I helped on one company I did with out a real day off for 5 years 1 vacation that is what it takes dedication is JD that dedicated I hope so
silent chuckle here
Thank You
for your response but I have tried emailing JD with questions before and he treated me very rude so unless he plans to appologize I will not ask him directly his choice.
Yes that is how it works if you are a big company I agree but a small company has to find the retail outlets and hook them up to the distributor. so yes they should have this information already and even if they do not have this info for some strange reason they should still know A. how many contracts they have with distributors. B. The term of the contracts. C. the amount of product guaranteed in the contracts. as for the dollar amounts leave that info out.
This info they have and should be reviewing it weekly if JD is working that hard
Distributors are great but what good does having your product in with a distributor if there is no retail outlets to distribute the product to it is a balancing act. The typical practice is get a few distributors in key areas then hit the areas hard and develope the retail outlets then move to the next key areas setup distributors then retail outlets.
if this has been done then let JD give us the stockholders a list of retail outlets and the distributors that service them pretty simple.
I thank you for responding to my post. I am happy some one has a line of communications with JD so could you ask him for the list of contracts and vendors not distributors but actual retail outlets. They should have there projected sales done for 2009 by now please ask him what it is.
if these questions are not acceptable by JD then that is cause to worry for these are basic questions.
Thank You
you must be in a buy mode this week eddy so next week you will be in a sale mode and this stock will be the best thing sinse sliced bread smart scam
Has anyone heard directly from the company. it looks like Bionic is holding it's own right now compared to some of the other drink companys.
Why is it we only hear from the company when the stock is moving up but when it is down we hear nothing from the company and I have noticed even Dale post a lot less.
I sit back and watch and analyze and keep fairly quite but I have posted real questions in the past with no response. I would like to hear some solid information from the company or even Dale but some hard facts ie contracts vendors list and so on.
These are simple questions and only require simple answers.
Doc are you ok I told you stay out of the drugs
Question for Dale
Does the company ever see any of the suggestions made here and if so what is there reaction.
I think every one on this board is to be complimented for there efforts and loyalty.
But I as a stock holder see what other stockholders are doing and they are makeing it public but no word from the company on what they are doing as far as sales what contracts what is the projections for 2009 what is there sales plan for 2009.
as stockholders we deserve the answers to this and right now it seems the stockholders are doing there job.
ahhh the days of boot camp the skinned head the colorful name calling from the man in the rimmed hat the care he took care of our physical body makeing sure we could run 10 miles in full pack in boots the conditioning of our muscles through smacking us with ping pong paddles the concern he had for our looks helping us with eye shadow deep and black and blue.
Yes I fondly remember them.
record firing during a 30 year snow blizzard being told it does not snow on the army it snows for the army ahhh the fond memories
Have you shared this info with BIONIC corp? If so what was there response?
You will not get this in the PX or any major store right now Coke and Pepsi have contracts with them and carrying a independant brand would violate the contracts retail is a cut throat game.
As a investor I would like to know what signed contracts the company has at this point.
Now to compete against the big boys BIONIC needs to chase independant stores and bars and contact organizations that do fund raisers cut them a deal.
place adds in national magazines forget TV for now due magazines national ones and radio spots put fun things to do at the website interactive typ of things of interest to the group that would drink this.
In the ads push the website big time each national ad should get you 3,000.00 in sales per month and magazines are despirate for advertisers so it is a good deal right now.
radio spots depending on the spot should get you 5,000.00 in sales and up.
Next go to ups or fedx and cut a shipping deal with them and raise the per can price for retail sales and give away the shipping.
due this for 6 months then revisit the national chain stores and PX oh on the PX offer a incentive to them.
Do not wast the money on TV ads until you have product in national chain stores.
ok my 2 cents
That is a good point but how much would monster cost a case if it was shipped to you?
I disagree the pic of that blond helps a lot
just a suggestion but if you really want them to be serious about Bionic I would suggest sending them a case with a good PR letter and a list of whom to contact to see about a contract to purchase. DO NOT give them goin postal as the order contact find out who inside Bionic has the authority to write a contract (this info should already be known to the stockholders) Then a follow up personal visit should be done. This is how deals are done.
ok a bit off subject but for me and my view and feelings for what it is worth. I wish they would Ban MMA period. it cheapines Martial Arts.
But if it has to be there I hope Bionic is plastered all over there trunks. now that petition I would sign.
If the company was the purchaser of the car I would bet it is a lease not a purchase.
It is easy to say this is crap it is no good and it is just as easy to say it is wonderful it is the best thing that ever happened.
but what is being ask by the stockholders is are there contracts if so with whom and for how much. What is the delivery schedule and to what retailers. What has been the profit loss to date and what is the projection.
If a CEO or a company does not want to be asked question about there operation then they should not sell stock.
how many go to the store and just buy food off the shelf and how many read the labels you want to know what you are putting in your body should you not take the same care about your wallet.
ok JD I am not impressed with never have been.
Now if the company is doing so good it can buy him a car and bike then he can afford to show us the contracts and delivery dates and the profit structure. If he can not supply these docs then he needs to turn that car into a motor home and hit the road and sell.
Pre sales
has bionic lined up any solid pre sales of either product in the form of a contract. if so who and schedule of delivery.
Thanks for the new site to look over Doc
What happen to my buddie kitna on detroit
Sorry to go against the tide here but GO ARIZONA
you need VOIP for your phone I have free in US Canada parts of Euroup
I am afraid nothing is going to show much of a gain for atleast 2 weeks look at the market over all today investors are waiting to see what happens with the new Pres and his appointments.
so right now is buying time and give it a month and then it will be profit time I hope.
anyone that sells there shares based on a bunch of post in a chat forum will bye to them. If this stock comes back and does great then I hope they enjoy looking in from outside. my shares are in my hands for good or until I make a great profit I gambled and I am holding for the win.
Now if it goes to 0001 great I will get more just like every one else.
That being said I do agree with Lurker about wanting answers from the company on past PR claims and as a stock holder it is my right and there responsibility. If Bionic did not want the pressure of answering to the stock holders they should of never went public so as a stock holder I want to know why the repeated PR and why so are you not sharing vital info with the stock holders.
has any one here been able to buy in at 0001
the low volume might not be a bad thing it might be the MM's are done with us and that means that one good PR will shot this up if timed right
this stock has already gone from 0002 to 0035 and now 0008 it has gone a good ways.
I got in orignally at 0006 some would say if I was smart I would of sold at 0035 but I am betting on this one long.
How many penny companies are producing product how many have had one commercial on TV.
It looks like a good gamble imagine this I am in at 0006 it goes to 01 by this time next year nice salary for just sitting on a computer board and bitching.
if it dies oh well I have not lost my shirt it is money I have not had for a while so I will not miss it that much.
If you are looking for safe go to a big investment firm like oh murdock oh wait he is waiting trial ok invest in safe banks yes they are safe oh wait the gov had to bail them out ok realestate it always makes money right housing prices way down by 30% and 50% in some areas.
so what is safe
hey who bumped that price up I need it back down so I can buy
I like you Doc but We make judgments on who we elect based on there morals all the time should we look at the heads of a company we are going to invest in with any less Judgment they make policey and effect the company financially.
Now that said for a penny stock this looks more solid to me (but who am I) as a company then most penny stocks and I am in this long and I am going to purchase more it is at my buy price now and I feel a bargain.
I would like a appologie email from JD for his rude email he sent back to me months ago where I ask him about the items my DD turned up about him. See I feel if you find out something possibly damaging about someone dont spread rumors ask them to there face as I did to JD.
now I am sure this post is headed for the delette bucket but it felt good to say it after several months.