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How can anyone put any belief into anything DS has said.
I think DS showed his cards clearly, you know the Gov. stuff, embarrassed himself right off IHUB and probably is not attending any dinner parties in NJ if he ever did in the first place!!!
When credibility is lost it usually is never regained!!!
I really do not think it would be a problem if people could tell it straight without embellishment and/or fabrication and be able to back up with substance what they say!!!!
Jane
Tom Tom is gone and now it looks like D.S. is gone!
Do you think D.S. got reprimanded because of the Gov of KY post???
I would guess that would get someone's attention at the corporate office, it is kind of like blatant misrepresentation!!!!
So who's the next so called insider with knowledge to step up or down???
Silver
Well it has be two days since D.S. posted that the Gov. of KY was in USFF's office!
D.S. has been asked on the board by IHUB posters if the statement was true or not!!!
DocS who seems to indicate by his posts that he knows what is going on concerning USFF's business developments and even he did not know if D.S.'s posting was real or sarcastic???
D.S. has been on the board at least twice since that posting and has not directly addressed the question!
So far what does that tell you?????
Silver
DocS has really never been spot on with his posts ever so we just cannot expect anything different!!!!
Hello Joe,
I posted it over on Yahoo's Message Board.
Let me know what you think if you would.
Silver
Dear Dave,
It appears I may have hit a sensitive nerve or two?
It also may appear that you are being a little condescending?
Perhaps may be not, you were probably just trying to make a point or were you???
I still hear from many long term investors and they ask the same questions concerning Robert and even harder ones.
Robert has been around a long time and has I believe millions of shares.
My question to you is what makes Robert a valuable consultant and what is he doing to make this business a success???
The past record speaks for itself!
NSOL/USFF has been around for awhile with consulting influences that really have not got us very far!!!
I was under the impression USFF's direction was relinguished to a Board/CEO???
Dave, please expand your thoughts!
Sincerely,
Silver
Hello Mr. Dave,
Nice to hear all data and planning you observed w/Robert at USFF.
That's great stuff!!!
Why would you be defaulting to Robert???
I think Robert is an interesting business person but Robert is not on the board!!!
So who is running the operations???
Appearing to be possibly defaulting to Robert concerns me that we may be witnessing prologue's of the past!
Information derived from the people in charge would probably be much more informative.
Silver
Hello P707,
You have to click on the post # DocS was referring too in his post, that will bring some clarification for you.
As usual DocS continues to post w/o backing anything with any data of substance!!!!
Silver
P70795, thanks for indirectly supporting my post-position concerning DocS and his posts.
If DocS wants to support-cheer on USFF at least back it up with something!!!!
I do not mind reminding DocS that he has a track record developed on this board!
Sincerely,
Silver
DocS, glad to see you are still around!!!
In all due respect you have told us that good things are coming on many occasions over the years!
Can you add some detail behind the statement???
Sincerely,
Silver
Joe,
I am glad the pennies are working for you.
Rah, Rah, Rah!, "The slightest bite of news". Rah, Rah, Rah!!!
I think that is what every one wants is "Real News"!!!
Silver
Hello P70795,
Thanks for responding to my questions and I was being sincere about asking!
You appear to be an unbiased poster/investor and a report back from someone like you after having say an telephone interview with Mr. Bagot would do wonders for all the concerned investors out there. I know you would tell it straight!!!
I still get many email inquiries over on Yahoo, so there are still alot of concerned investors out there.
Mr.Dave is interesting, but really who is he, a Usual Suspect???????????
Sincerely,
Silver
Hello Mr. Joe,
Well we have all heard 'sell your shares if you have a negative attitude".
Sorry Joe it is not a negative attitude I think it maybe more like contemporary reality!
I for one would like more substandiated data than praising platitudes that we heard many times over the years!
An analogy of what I mean!
"If an executive gives a speech that begins, "This business is all about survival of the fittest. You need to burn the midnight oil and take one for the team," his employees might get sick of listening to these meaningless clichés and tell him to cut the platitudes".
Joe, please do not get me wrong, I think Mr.Bagot is working very hard to accomplish good things!
I just like to see more defined fruition!
Sincerely,
Silver
Dear P70795,
Since your group has a fair number of shares, why don't you call Harry yourself???
Could you possibly arrange your own meeting with the players in the NJ area?
Do you live in the area???
You would be able to give everyone a great unbiased view of USFF's current events.
I think you would be a source everyone could believe in!!!
Hello Dave,
Thanks for your reply back!
I was under the impression that Mr. Drinkwater was general counsel and a friend of Mr. Schwartz's. I am not sure he was a founder?
You mentioned Rob and Denise's shares were restricted I was under the impression that they had common shares?
I think back then when they got their shares an 8k would have been required based on the overall shares issued at the time.
Do you or perhaps anyone remember seeing an 8k on the ownership?
Dave any further information you can share would always be helpful for everyone.
Thanks again for sharing!
Silver
Hello Dave,
Thank you for such an elaborate post concerning Mr.Bagot.
It was very encouraging. However we have been left with this feeling many times in the past on this board concerning NSOL/USFF!!!
I have a question for you that you may have some insight on:
Why does Mr. Drinkwater have about 13% to 14% of all USFF shares???
That seems like a lot to me!!!
Even Bill Gates only has about 4.5% and Steve Ballmer only has about 4% of all of Microsoft's shares.
Any idea's???
Silver
Dear Ride,
Good post. It is great when we can agree to disagree without going after each others jugular.
Your second point is what I was inferring, if it were not for the monies invested, they would not be here today.
What I am talking about for the now and future regarding the investors, that if they are taken into fair consideration concerning the FFI spin off, it would set a very positive path for FFI to spring forward for new investment. I am also saying that NSOL/FFI does not need a ton and I do mean a ton of bad PR and argumentative/disgruntled shareholders starting a continuous mountain of business strategies directed at NSOL/FFI concerning unfair business practices. It would not be a pretty picture for future investors to watch and behold!!!!!
We do have impact, trust me on that!!!!
Also we are not that foolish to think the land purchase/purchases are an end to it all. I think I already suggested that in the post.
Well that is about as far as I can take it at this point.
Sorry, I cannot get into a daily dialog with everyone concerning current NSOL/FFI events, however I will be jumping in from time to time.
Like I said "Stay Tuned", I believe there is a lot more to come and we will be able to continue refine our opinions and positions concerning NSOL/FFI.
Silver
PS: Have you given any thought of attending the ground braking ceremony? Is that any where near you???
I am not that familiar with map reading so I cannot dispute what you say. I think it would be highly unlikely that NSOL would make these statements if they were not true.
Hey, they (NSOL) are having a public ceremony and I am sure the press will be there for review, so it would very unwise for NSOL to be stretching this one.
Let's face it if NSOL is not on the up and up on this, it would blow up in their face big time and there would be no recovery from it.
Logic says it has to be true!
If you are around why not come by and see for yourself. I am trying to free up my time to attend, not sure if I can make it
Dear Walker6,
Thanks, I am so happy that you finally decided to join with us. You contacts and your past working experience will help us greatly with getting our message to the State of Kentucky Representatives more effectively.
I will be in private contact shortly.
Sincerely,
Silver
fluke,
You most be kidding??? Do you think we do all this for fun?
Anyway, I usually do not answer such an irrational request, but the first attorney is my daughter and then the lawyers who are in her firm. Two of our senior group are retired attorneys.
Telephone numbers, are you for real!!!!! We have put down a retainer fee of $10,000. Do you really think we would blow a strategic part of our legal plans on someone who just likes to jump on the board from time to time.
Hey, we are investors and are working for ALL investor interests.
Wish us good hunting if you are a true investor. When I tell you we have been working behind the scenes, its for real!
Believe what you want. We are still on the playing field and we have attracted major investors to our group.
Good Luck in your pursuits!!!!
Silver
PS: If we have to go into our legal action plans, you will know who our attorneys are, hopefully you will consider them yours at as well at that time.
You may ask why are we so careful? Well, we are individuals at this moment and there are things like libel, slander, misrepresentation that are always cause for concern in the business world. We do not want to make a mistake in those areas and other actions that could be construed as illegal business interruption actions.
NSOL/FFI/KFA Investor Educational Team Update: 02/13/2009 IC
Major Developments:
We are postponing/delaying the implementation of our web site and pending legal action.
Reason for delaying/postponement: (Break-thru)
Recent discussions with insiders and other affected/connected parties have given signs/signals that NSOL may be coming out of its shell; which could be finally unveiling the strategic vision it had promised some six months ago.
In an attempt to be supportive of the company and our investments, we have decided to give a determined time frame that appears to be needed to further pursuits of CTL development and confirm the support necessary for the state of KY.
We investors have felt left in the dark about the direction of the company. Based on our perception of inadequate communication and performances saw no alternative available other than to engage in a vast media campaign, setting the stage for legal action. The team at this point feels very strongly that the company may possibly be at a turning point and indicators are leading us to believe that this may be happening.
The team has voted unanimously to go in this direction, we feel very strongly about this position at this time and have elected to give NSOL/FFI/KFA time to work on business matters that are so very vital to all of our successes.
Sincerely,
Silver
PS: We are still active and on the playing field! The web site and mailings have all been approved by our legal firm and our LLC should be final soon.
NSOL/FFI/KFA-Investor Educational Team Update: 02/03/2009 IC
I have been receiving many emails inquiring about what the delay is for implementing the first part of our plan.
Several weeks ago the team had been led to believe that there was going to be a transitional team announcement soon.
So, since we were approaching the six month time frame for that announcement that had been predicted by NSOL, we had decided to put everything on hold. Once we go forward with our plan, there is no turning back because it all will be out there to the world via the web and mailings. The team decided to wait because we did not want to spoil or put a spin on a potential coming out party of NSOL's.
Now that the six month time frame is here and there still is no news from NSOL concerning a transition team, we will be going forward next week. We were hoping for an announcement, but we really did not think it would happen.
We have been asked by so called insiders to stop our movement because it was and would hurt negotiations that were/are going on. The team asked for some validity to that fact and none has been received.
More to follow later this week.
Sincerely,
Silver
NSOLman, Please do not worry!
Looks like you are another poster with an agenda, wonder what that may be???
Just wanted to let you know that the three people who have designed the website, all text and graphics are two retired corporate attorneys and one retired newspaper editor.
My job is administrator/coordinator of all data & intel.
I just wanted to let you now that and also that I have made it thru Grad School.
I think you may still stuck in elementary school. Good Luck!!!
This will be my last post to you, many other things to do.
Good-bye!!!!!
NSOL/FFI/KFA Investor Educational Information Team: Update 01/22/09 IC
Sorry for a delay in this update, the flu ripped through our Senior Center and took out our team of consultants for a time.
We have been accused of trying to ruin the company by some and by others saying we are company insiders developing a defensive position for NSOL.
I would like to call this, well if you will our mission statement.
Read it carefully and you will fully understand what we would like to accomplish with the information that we will be providing for educational pursuits.
The Investor Educational Information Team still views NSOL/FFI as very reputable companies and our very hope and desire is for NSOL/FFI/KFA to be extremely successful, their stockholders will be treated fairly & rewarded accordingly for their investment in NSOL and that NSOL/FFI/KFA's efforts will make a dent in our country's dependance on foreign oil. Go
NSOL/FFI/KFA!!!!!!!
The NSOL/FFI/KFI Investor Educational Information Team is not making any possible insinuations or accusations against any company or individual, all of the above material is for consumer analysis and educational pursuits.
**Our website will be for Educational Pursuits Only, Personal Enrichment and Enjoyment of our Visitors.**
Silver
Name Change/Correction:
NSOL/FFI/KFA Investor Legal Review Team: Is no longer
NSOL/FFI/KFA Investor Educational Information Team:
Is the current name of our group:
Dear 829,
Go take your slam, so I typed my response fast this morning, big deal. Lots of items on the agenda today. Ever have an error on the web? I am over 70 and I do not get upset with the minor stuff.
However, you have not and failed to make your correlation with what you are trying to imply. That really speaks for itself.
I think, the readers will draw their own conclusions and the majority will see things for what they are!!!!!!!!!!
Moving on to more important things now, good bye!!!!!
Dear 829
You definitely have a convoluted way of coming to conclusions!!!
Your post yesterday stated: "Judging from JaneSilver's posts as of late, those that suggested that person was just trying to gather information for NSOL's legal defense were correct. Friend of the company, not the shareholders."
I was unaware anyone posted such a statements, but granted I have been very busy and could of missed it! Maybe you can show me where? It would be helpful, thank you.
Were you referring to my recent post's of CTL development around the world?
I thought many of us are investors in NSOL and CTL as well. I sure hope you are diversifying! It's good to keep up on CTL development, I feel it is always important to stay on top of the industry I am investing in, not only the company. Obviously you do not share that believe, Oh well for you!
You may be connected to manipulative insiders somehow/someway to suggest that. Anyone construing that type of perspective from my postings, needs to go back and re-read everything posted.
If what you say were true, I am sure that a defense team for NSOL would not be going to put data on a web site that investors in educational informational pursuit may come away with the opinion or possible perspective that there may be aggressive greed taking place and many other things that could possibly not make investors happy! It just does not build a strong defense strategy!
Last reality check I had, I just cannot imagine a defense team going in that direction.
But what I can imagine is someone trying to do a spin job on a very realistic effort to influence the out-comings of what is taking place and going down as we speak!!!!!!!
Silver
Kentucky Coal Gasification Plant- "ride2 don't reat this!"
http://coalgasificationnews.com/2009/01/19/kentucky-coal-gasification-site-will-be-near-central-city-ky/
NSOL/FFI/KFA Investor Legal Review Team: Update 01/16/2009 IC2A
Sorry, I forgot to mention on the historical analysis that was mentioned on the previous update earlier today, was that the analysis is including PR's, Price Changes, Volume Buying/Selling and then some, share issuance and more.
The presentation has come out GREAT!!! Very Clear and Concise and I cannot wait to share it with you.
Yes, Shiraz the plan is moving on.
I will need your help on Plan C, a lot of it!!!!!!!!!
NSOL/FFI/KFA Investor Legal Review Team Updated: 01/16/2009 IC2
*At this time we would like to congratulate NSOL for the start of revising their web site. Hopefully it will be completed in a timely business manner.*
*The Investor Legal Review Team still views NSOL/FFI as very reputable companies.*
Investor Legal Review Team moves into Plan B:
Parts 1,2,3 & 4.
Part 1: We have completed our historical analysis of NSOL/FFI/KFA and have put it into text and graphic forms, which we will put on our website and also on CD upon final legal review. Yes, I said website.
**Our website is for Educational Pursuits Only, Personal Enrichment and Enjoyment of our Visitors.**
We have gotten our first preliminary legal OK from our Volunteer Senior Center Attorneys.
Now we have sent the data to a NYC firm for review and upon completion and approval we will post to the web and then move on to parts 2,3, &4.
Stay tuned more information to follow:
The NSOL/FFI/KFI Legal Review Team is not making any possible insinuations or accusations against any company or individual, all of the above material is for consumer analysis and educational pursuits.
Shenhua to Build 80,000 bpd CTL Plant/Sasol F.T.Tech.
http://coalgasificationnews.com/2009/01/15/shenhua-to-build-80000-bpd-ctl-plant/
Carbon capture put to the test in NSW!!!!
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/01/14/1231608794668.html
Very Well Done!!!!
Doc,
Your review of the CTL/Sasol article is very clear and concise. Hitting on the Major Points and your ability to lay it out on top of the table for analysis and review is Admired.
For Board Members who have not read the article, I am sure your review may encourage them to do so and if not, it certainly has given them more to think about!
Silver
Dear Walker6,
It is nothing that can be addressed at this current time.
However if you think of all the concerns listed in the NSOL postings, you may find your answer there.
Sorry I cannot be more elaborate.
Silver
Sasol-China-CTL
CTL Info Development in China:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a.MSdPvb0Ep8
NSOL/FFI/KFA Legal Review Team Update 01.08.2009 IC
1) Thank you to everyone that has responded to me and our group in the last couple of days. I apologize to those who I have not gotten back to in a timely manner. Things are quite busy!!!!
2) I am working with two former corporate attorneys, tv/media producer, and a friend of mine who is a retired editor of several smaller newspapers. We are putting together a historical time line of events and hope to tie it all into a bigger project that is going on. Hopefully I can expand upon that in the near future. ( Senior Centers are great places to work and recruit people who have an abundant of talents and love a project )
3) It appears that Doc is not going to participate with our team at this time. We are hoping that Doc reconsiders and anyone who knows him, please exert your influence for him to do so.
4) Good luck to you Doc (I am sure you are reading this) and if we can assist you please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely,
Silver
Doc,
All the points that you have pointed out are many of the points we have been discussing on the NSOL/FFI/KFA Legal Team/Inner Board the last two days.
You are concurring with many of our thoughts concerning NSOL, and reinforces the reasons/rational, why we are pursuing our course of action.
Please consider joining our team.
Silver