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Like I've said,...they give you just enough reasons to hang about, hang around and make excuses on their behalf as to why they have NOT delivered on their commitments.
And, now they have almost DOUBLED the O/S diluting shareholders even further!! (For a re-fabricated Web-site so far,...really??)
Imagine if every Apple, IBM, Google et. al. started like this. Needing MORE than the 1.75Million they raised from the VSP. Needing MORE that the 10Mill from Spire (lol). And, languishing behind their goals of targeting the summer-students (target market) in order to capture the 11Million they claimed for revenues in FY 2011.
Are you kidding me? A real, hungry, and credible management team would never squander the resources & opportunities if they believed in them, were passionate about this business opportunity and wanted to SEIZE it.
Here, sadly, i think they only want to SEIZE your money!! By the looks of things anyways...
Hey what's the O/S here? Better yet the SS & Float?
I know the iBox has outdated numbers I just done't know HOW outdated.
Thanks in advance.
This is the first KEY Point (from the Q):
"As of August 15, 2010 the Company management feels there is
sufficient cash flow to operate the business for the foreseeable future."
The next are the quarter by quarter increases in revenues & reductions of costs as reported here already.
As many of you know, they changed their business model & it is much improved now judging by the numbers. Aside form the iPhone platform costs, MRNJ is a market leader-- 4th largest APP Provider (iPhone, iPad, Android,...)...& that will pay dividends imo.
And, according to Roberta (TA from Pacific) there has been no dilution:
Roberta Mors to me
show details 4:34 PM (16 hours ago)
Good Afternoon,
Here is the current share structure for (METATRON, INC.) as of today: 8-16-10
AS# 300,000,000
OS# 296,313,425
Restricted# 25,305,127
Thank you,
Respectfully,
Roberta Mors
Transfer Agent
Email: roberta@pacificstocktransfer.com
Web: www.pacificstocktransfer.com
Main Office
Pacific Stock Transfer Company
4045 S. Spencer Street, Suite 403
Las Vegas, NV 89119
Phone: 702-361-3033 Fax: 702-433-1979
Accounting Office
Pacific Stock Transfer Company
Billing Department
ATTN: Lisa Upham
173-3 Keith Street
Warrenton, VA 20186
Phone: (540) 675-6274 Fax (540) 347-3075
Let me get this straight:
You bought this stock,
have been trading for 40yrs,
LOST MONEY!!!
and ur telling me to "wake up"? LMFAO
I bought and sold this many time already, am back because the chart, financials & valuations say GO!!
And you have been shouting that this is going to $0.0003 where you expect to buy some of this "POS" to profit & burn those "flippers" you alluded to in an earlier post!! (I am one of those flippers btw) and I have MADE MONEY HERE...and you, well you "smell" things. But, to think that this stock is going to loose 73% of this mornings value by dropping to $0.0003 on improved financials quarter over quarter, an improved business plan, & zero room for dilution (~4Mill to bump up against A/S as reported to me by Roberta from Pacific- the TA) MAKES MY LAUGH & wonder what kind of investor you really are!!
"That financial statement today is one of the worst i have ever seen any company put out."
You really should invest more because right now I don't believe a word of what you say. "The worst I have ever seen ANY company put out"...that's laughable, if you were "in since January" then the previous quarters financials were easily WORSE by FAR!!!
The company is actually turning the corner & look at the market coming in to buy up all those shares down here. Sell man sell!!! We'll be selling higher way before this stock hits $0.0003's and then we'll be back to buy more there...if that's the way things shake out!!
LOL,...
Form Pacific Stock Transfer (e-mail from Roberta Moors):
Roberta Mors to me
show details 3:23 PM (0 minutes ago)
Good Afternoon,
Here is the current share structure for (METATRON, INC.) as of today: 8-16-10
AS# 300,000,000
OS# 296,313,425
Restricted# 25,305,127
Thank you,
Respectfully,
Roberta Mors
Transfer Agent
Email: roberta@pacificstocktransfer.com
Web: www.pacificstocktransfer.com
Main Office
Pacific Stock Transfer Company
4045 S. Spencer Street, Suite 403
Las Vegas, NV 89119
Phone: 702-361-3033 Fax: 702-433-1979
Accounting Office
Pacific Stock Transfer Company
Billing Department
ATTN: Lisa Upham
173-3 Keith Street
Warrenton, VA 20186
Phone: (540) 675-6274 Fax (540) 347-3075
That may be something entirely different you're smelling...this company has diluted before and were smart enough to move the price appreciably higher before they did!
Notice the silence in PR's over the last 6 months or so.
You are surely shorting/barking up the wrong tree...this may move slightly lower,...but if you are planning on dilution moving the pps to $0.0003 you can BET it won't be for a looooong while.
First, they will start releasing PR's and reestablish a higher pps & then you will have some shares released. But, I can guarantee that it will be at a pps much higher than where we sit.
Why would you be a market leader in a lucrative APP Market and sit on that type of collateral, cache & currency to sell for less than half of what you could get just by being more PR saavy? And, they have done it before, I have no doubt they will do it again (if necessary) and they won't launch shares from here!! And you won't be smelling those $0.0003's unless you decide not to bathe anytime soon!
And before you dismiss this post (which I am certain u surely will), kindly provide FACTUAL SUBSTANTIATION to refute my statements. Thanks.
And, pray tell, how did you arrive at that evaluation?
Just curious how you configured the Market Cap to be roughly 27% of what it was this morning???
Wishful thinking? Or is there actually some supporting evidence to substantiate your position? How exactly do you people make such claims and evaluations, ...wow, really????
I once did that for another company that I was invested in and it worked!!! You never know, everyone owns a piece here I suppose so every little bit helps. Thanks for doing that, hope it goes well.
There seem to be some solid opportunities in penny-land at the moment and this is definitely one!
Well, they are now headed in a COMPLETELY different & more profitable direction now than they were then; it happens, companies have to find their stride.
I also think people got hurt from the pps decrease & liquidity (dilution) phase from around 6mo or so ago. But, I don't believe that all those holding higher sold (in fact my numbers suggest they haven't) and the downdraft has pulled the price into the $0.02's as a consequence. (Which in my opinion was more than the stock was worth based upon last quarters financials). But now, the pps has gotten even lower while the financials have improved. If this isn't a CLASSIC case of people SELLING when the ought to consider BUYING than I am not sure what is.
Impatience and/or being under-capitalized down here in penny-land is NOT a good thing! But it works for me...I am sure I will see a nice return on this investment and at the moment I have only taken a small (less than $5k entry position) but I will evaluate as I take in info, do more DD, speak with mngmnt and dig around. So far I am happy with what I view as an equitable risk/reward and can get out without much damage if necessary.
But, I may just increase my position as I have said (I opened at $4k and added another $1k so far and have order in to add some more based upon the research I've done so far). I like what I see so far.
I have decided to add here. Considering that the pps is dropping on improved financials over the prev quarter, a new streamlined (more profitable) business model, additional revenues (and another increase in such over the last quarter), along with lowered costs of attracting more profitable business I think this is finally closer to where the pps should have been awhile back. Only now the financial picture (in my opinion) has improved!
The O/S is stable, the company is learning & growing, and made a positive general declaration today with their filing AND the pps is getting cheaper so I took a position here in MRNJ today and am planning on adding if the triple bottom doesn't hold (@ 0080). The support looks good and if MRNJ has any good news to announce the pps will undoubtedly give me a nice return on my modest investment here.
This isn't an all-in situation, but this is a med to longer term accumulate and sell into good news for free share riding that could be VERY profitable down the road (with less tax burden) in 12-18mos. We'll have to see how it all pans out but that's what I am thinking!!
what the hell just happened here? Nice move!!
Where's that flippers FLOW CHART...LOL.
What a shocker!!
The numbers have improved across the board you see increased revenues and decreased costs associated with revenue generation. They have clearly gone towards more profitable apps that have higher margins. They also have enough money to make it through to profitability, which at the current rate should be by next quarter. Business & revenues has steadily been growing, Q after Q thus far, and for the first time now, we see them managing better...Cost of Rev's have gone down considerably.
Looking better and the price should reflect these improvements. MRNJ will be fine and is a med to long-term hold. Flippers will flip and they need the volatility to make good,...hence banging the boards, take from those impatient or poorly informed imho.
Unfortunately, about the only thing that is a blessing right now is the pps,...because if it were higher the shorters (and penny stocks can be and ARE shorted) would have already pummeled this stock. It might buy these guys some time in case they may want to actually do some work, some heavy lifting and run a legitimate company that they & shareholders alike can be proud of.
But, I highly doubt this given the track record here...
Unbelievable...get's worse each week!!
"...Rick Dibiase, whose passion has always been with Encounter's dynamic web-based MusicMatrix, will be on board to take a hands-on approach to maximize MusicMatrix potential as the major success it has for which it has been positioned with videos from the world's largest music companies and record labels and an agreement with superstar Ne-Yo as spokesperson."
BOLD as in REALLY???? or What does this even mean???
Bragging about college education and then authorizing this unintelligible PR is like... HILARIOUS!! What do you think investors are the kind of CLOWNS that just buy whatever CEO's put out? Have some dignity for crying out loud,...especially with a BS announcement of this magnitude AND all the HOOPS YOU'RE ALL trying to jump through to GIVE THE IMPRESSION of substance!!! Criminal(s) really!
Want to deal in reality? Address why investors in SREH have been DILUTED to hell and think "Tony" is a scam-artist; why then anyone should think he running this recent-dilution-machine will prove to be a good thing!?!? Let's keep in mind now that his other company hasn't been doing so well, NOW THE GENIUS is going to RUN TWO!!! Haaa hahah aaaaah hahaaaa...give me a break!
"...Rick Dibiase, whose passion has always been with Encounter's dynamic web-based MusicMatrix, will be on board to take a hands-on approach to maximize MusicMatrix potential as the major success it has for which it has been positioned with videos from the world's largest music companies and record labels and an agreement with superstar Ne-Yo as spokesperson."
BOLD as in REALLY???? or What does this even mean???
Bragging about college education and then authorizing this unintelligible PR is like... HILARIOUS!! What do you think investors are the kind of CLOWNS that just buy whatever CEO's put out? Have some dignity for crying out loud,...especially with a BS announcement of this magnitude AND all the HOOPS YOU'RE ALL trying to jump through to GIVE THE IMPRESSION of substance!!! Criminal(s) really!
Want to deal in reality? Address why investors in SREH have been DILUTED to hell and think "Tony" is a scam-artist, and why then anyone should think he running this recent-dilution-machine will prove to be a good thing!! Let's keep in mind now that his other company hasn't been doing so well, NOW THE GENIUS is going to RUN TWO!!! Haaa hahah aaaaah hahaaaa...give me a break!
You haven't been investing for very long have you? I can count on one finger through ~20yrs when a stock rose after a R/S that I am aware of. As many times as I have seen an announced, sometimes even suggested R/S, the pps has tanked, corrected, dove, and flat-out went DOWN.
The market is not a fan of R/S and they tend to bring out the shorters in droves. And yes, penny stocks can be shorted and are!
Noticed some volume & movement over here, what's cooking?
This company sure keeps making nice progress, consistently moving forward. I like it and so does my brokerage acct. I have been adding all the cheapies I could grab and will now enjoy a little ride.
Elevator going WHAT???? UP!! TY sir!
ahhh ok, just wondering...thanks.
What does he have his nuts stored in that sack or what????
And surely more to come...anyone have the volume numbers from Friday & Monday...they obviously increased the O/S by nearly 300,000,000 from early Monday afternoon...
I want to see if I can track where those shares might be...assuming they may be "mysteriously" released into the float via some manner or method (of which, as some of you know-- down here in PinkyLand-- there is hardly a shortage of methods).
Anyway, just curious...thanks in advance.
You know, as the days pass their HLNT's leverage improves significantly as they announce dealers on-board in the US it puts added real pressure on DF. And, I think they are seriously considering how to strategize the acquisition of the technology!
This is setting up nicely for shareholders...DF's window & costs (which they can easily afford) go up as HLNT starts to lay roots here in the US with added dealers.
I love it!!
This is trading nicely here into Market Close, as word spreads we could see a nice return.
The NCND points to an interesting and ever-plausible buyout/subsidiary deal between DF & HLNT. Stranger things have happened & when you consider how long ago DF engineers were here it is not unreasonable to assume that things may be progressing along those lines.
It is a good time for a nearly twenty billion dollar per year revenue generator like DF to buy this small, tiny, engine that could. The returns would be good for DF if they buy HLNT as a subsidiary.
This could be on the short-term horizon, why not?
haven't been paying attention, which is it? Thanks in advance!
I just bought some, and I think I am going to go contrarian here...buy some up and add if it heads a bit lower. I feel confident that Ken Glynn has at least a few more PR's up his sleeve to make this a fairly attractive buy here...
I don't fear that I am going to be trapped in a trade I can't make some money on...
GL2AU investors in here...I have traded this equity for awhile now and like the volatility, liquidity, PR's, potential et. al. so far.
Ok fair enough. However, isn't FY 2011's #'s based upon the fact that they projected revenues based upon the SP, Advertising/Marketing & Promotional campaign that they intended to push throughout the summer. Didn't they claim that they would be generating sign-ups throughout this period that would form the basis of their FY2011 projections?
If Oct 2010 begins FY 2011 (and I don't doubt your statement, at this point) then aren't they behind according to their own PR's and focused importance on the summer "hunting season" for their targeted age/market group???
If so, then I think them waaaaay behind at this point. At least according to their own initial projections and statements. The "opportunity cost" is tremendous here, and does NOT justify any further delays whatsoever. But, since I think them less than legit, they are probably laughing and enjoying the monies that keep pouring in while they risk very little in my view. It's a shame, but...
Some more FACTS to chew on:
Company PR'd that their target market was a significant reason for their summer advertising/promotional campaign.
Knowing this & the challenges with procuring a SP, why not have back-ups so as NOT to lose the opportunity to advance your business model during this, summer, "critical time-frame"?
Recall they PR'd an 11Million$ Fiscal Year Projection (they are waaaay behind)
PR'd:
10Mill $'s Spire Financing (300K monthly tranches)
11Mill $'s Projected through FY 2011
1.75Mill $'s VSP Revenue
Now, with all this cash AND the O/S increases, PLUS what's at stake (summer PR Marketing, etc) they CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO MOVE ON ...IF THIS COMPANY WAS LEGIT...(remember this is just a damn website for crying out loud!!!).
Just too damn much at stake!!! Especially if they are a serious and legit on-going business concern.
Look, there is way too much going WRONG here. If you had a company you would have had multiple contingency plans to move your business forward and wait for NOBODY...Moving on provides the company leverage, bargaining power, & is the way to go!
These guys got nothing for you but empty promises and little in the way of actual business acumen or honest intentions...at least from where I stand. And, those to me,...their actual behavior/performance over the past few months & business progress (or lack thereof) is more factual than anything Sherri Crook, or the rest of them want to PR...I hope they hang for what they have done here...
ALSO, let's just keep in mind that the company PR'd Dilution AFTER they already went a couple of rounds!!! So, let's just keep it real. And, with a gagged TA, although not illegal, it is definitely not the ethical claim some posters have implied ("well they told us x, y, z regarding dilution").
Lastly, where is the pps supposed to be from a mathematical perspective? What will the revenue numbers be and with the O/S how would I, as an inquiring investor, decide if the stock is a good buy (value, prospects, etc.)? If you look at the actual revenues and the current SS you'd note that the stock is currently OVERVALUED (it is overpriced right now)...FACT!!
Talking to yourself again? Where then have you heard about the 50mill, pray tell? Mr. "talks with the big boys"?
Curious...
Why doesn't ENTI just remove the gag, or hire another TA if necessary, and/or release the share structure in a PR with all the pertinent info so WE ALL KNOW EXACTLY what's going on with these shares.
Which leads me to question how you, or anyone else, can know precisely what is what regarding shares. The company could be saying whatever they want (and could be "mistaken", "confused", sorry they "misreported", blah, blah...) but UNTIL the TA, or a PR lays it all out in writing, investors got nothing!!!
Lasly, just to be clear, if these guys were on the up-and-up with all the revenues, potential, financing et. al. they would have done it LOOOONG ago. If you are legit and have a great future you scream it from the rooftops, legitimately with transparency at this stage, so you can GROW and PROSPER from your efforts.
These guys are covering, hiding, communicating just enough to keep people on the hook!!
Good comparison...have you noted where LCRE is trading ($0.0003)? ENTI is heading in the same direction...LOWER.
Dilution threat with talking heads and little to no action makes for a VERY dangerous combination. Notice the recycled web-site from a previously failed DiBiase Bros. enterprise ...Film Rookie...all of ENTI's website designs were re-fabrications of that failed effort (same deal, share, edit, MLM "pyramid-payment" scheme for referrals, et. al.).
I would not be surprised to find that they open some other enterprise soon and re-use the web-design AGAIN...I have been trying to wake some folks up to this not-what-it-seems investment for nearly 2months...be careful!! Arm yourself with facts!!
Larry, Thanks for your quick, thoughtful & kind reply. I appreciate your input and advice.
ok Got it,...Tuesdays (Monday/Tuesday with one Thursday). That looks to be the pattern for ENTI so far. Thanks again for your input.
Larry what's ur secret with the TA's dude? I called, then e-mailed & Roberta Moss told me that the SS was essentially the same as I last checked...
Now, I am not disputing you. In fact, I honestly believe your update and am just wondering if you have any insights into why the mistake/discrepancy? Do they update at a certain day/date/time...what gives?
Any insight would be helpful. I am not currently an investor here but I was and I watch this one, along with a bunch of others pretty closely. So, if you have any helpful info please kindly pass it along. Thanks LW, I appreciate your input in advance!
Ok GREAT News on multiple fronts...
1) Progress
2) NOT at shareholders expense
3) Stores, revenues, & growth
4) Other entities on board...
So, now the pressure is on to deliver in the next upcoming year, the clock is ticking. This could be a GREAT 1yr hold with the tax benefits from holding that long. We sit here with min downside risk and plenty of trading options for exits if Ken begins to deliver on his promises...
Which made this week a MAKE or BREAK week in my mind for this equity. The promises were beginning to mount and we need to see progress on those previous PR's. Today, the announcement is what was necessary PROGRESS and NOT at the expense of shareholders. Many Pinkies would have just diluted after a run-up and let shareholders suffer through it. Ken is saying that he is not operating that way... which is a win win for all involved (so far). Let's see to it that he keeps it up and shareholders/potential investors will have something to cheer about in pennyland.
Happy with the progress today, good news imho. Adding to my $0.0007's & $0.0008's-- averaging up...a rarity for me in Pennyville!!!
Listen,
I know people have skin in the game and I also realize some folks represent the moral fiber, or champion(s), of the board. Relishing, no doubt sometimes, the role of carrying those wounded & dispirited souls through to the next trading day...but I must question whether a service is being done here?
Look at it ENTI this way. One of the MAIN tenets of their promotional campaign was to "catch"/reach the targeted age group during the summer. That was the supposed point of the marketing & promotional roll-out. ANY COMPANY, and this is just ONE example of the operations here, that sternly BELIEVES in their BUSINESS PLAN/MODEL would proactively recognize that they may not get the first 7 people they want for the project...sticking to their game-plan they would briskly MOVE to numbers 8-30 on their "targeted" celeb list...persons that fit the demographic and are serviceable representatives while the company builds a name, product & reputation. But, that is NOT what is going on here...
do you understand???
People seem to keep making excuses for this company, their delays, their tech problems, and the "undertaking" that is this product...essentially a website. Now, according to them they have 11Million $'s at stake in getting this moving NOW, DURING THE SUMMER, when all the "customers" are off, home, not in school and/or tend to have more free time...
but is that what they are doing????
Keep it simple folks. According to their PR'd financing, revenues & deals they should be flush with cash, can OVERPAY to get the site running RIGHT now, and do everything as described before the summer melted away from them. So, why didn't or haven't they????
Even the MOST naive has to say poor management, but it sure smells more rotten than that.
I am not here to bash anyones investment. I am trying to bring some logic & sanity to a board that keeps getting the soft sell while people continually lose their hard-earned cash. But, that is just my opinion and I have made it know for quite awhile now...ENTI appears, so far, to be a scam...period!
Thoughts on the matter?
Hey Matt- sorry you are in this predicament. I have been trying to shout, scream & explain how ENTI was a risky & dangerous investment for weeks now (either challenged by poor mngmt skills with the delays & mistakes, incompetent, or simply on the take). And, although everyone here is a BIG BOY/GIRL it does pain me to see innocent, young, relatively new investors (for the most part, imho) get fleeced.
As to your question, unfortunately no one here can answer that for you...no one here has a crystal ball. However, if you can press the company for answers that is where I would go. It does two things, gets you honest about your investment and then helps you gear up for a decision.
Some will tell you capital preservation in trading is key. At these levels you can take out what's left and put it into productive, non-BS companies, with a much brighter future (there are some down here in Penny-scam). OR, considering where the pps is, wait it out as the risk is a bit lower than the potential reward from here...assuming you come to believe one iota of what the company says.
Find out though... E-mail, call, contact folks and ask after ENTI so as to protect your investment. Don't take excuses and rationalizations for communication. Every attempt to reach the company & it's executives should be a signal/information about their operation.
IF you are unwilling to do that, then I suggest you put this behind you and make a better investment decision. This stock will likely be here if they change their direction and you like what they have to offer. I sincerely wish you well and hope that you will financially recover & have learned a thing or two that you won't repeat on another investment here,...deep down here in penny-scam is where the sharks swim and if you aren't CAREFUL they will EAT YOU ALIVE...and take all your dough of course. Don't let that happen to you!!
GL2U!!!
A whale growing larger after consuming your money, and now diving DOWN into the cold DEEP blue sea...
and hitting $0.0003 soon if not lower!! They will drop this down...don't worry, they'll give you a small chance to recover some dough before sending it south again...and I wouldn't be surprised to see another O/S increase over the next week or so.
I hope, for all your sakes, I am wrong. BUT, for the better part of six weeks roughly I have been right!
Okay so let's look at the business model (keeping in mind that if Google so much as sniffs a money-maker in music-video/film editing they can act swiftly & forcibly to create a niche community within YouTube that is incomparable to anything MMX is capable of offering).
That being said...let's look at the business model.
Simple question for EVERYONE on this board:
How much money will this model generate over the next 9months?
I would like to know how much GROSS (forget about net or profit) they will earn, then please use the current O/S to determine where this stock ought to be priced (in the future, based upon those earnings)?
Thanks.
Yeah so far of printing, selling & distributing a ton of PR's & shares!!!
So far that is the difference I see!!
Just out of curiosity when I am considering a safe, appreciable investment, that can offer me returns I ask: WHAT IS THE COMPELLING REASON TO BUY NOW?
Knowing what is known RIGHT NOW about ENTI...all the money it has & has access to (according to PR's), the Caveat Emptor label on PS, the R/S secrecy, PLUMMETING Stock Price, and it's mediocre product so far (at best) why is this stock a COMPELLING BUY?
I just don't see it. If anyone does then let's stick to the MATH. Tell me how many subscribers it will have, how much it will generate in the next 9 months and then back in it's O/S and tell me what the pps ought to be based upon it's GROSS (not NET, nor Profit,...just gross). I am curious.
Thanks. Maybe that will get some minds THINKING about ENTI. Numbers= cold hard FACTS!!!
What has been stated in response are mostly rationalizations & explanations regarding ENTI's behavior that will unfortunately-- ihmo-- lead to the short-term demise of your investment in ENTI.
The "R/S gag" as I like to call it is IN FULL EFFECT. Among the very limited rights shareholders here in Pinkyland have, is the right to the SHARE STRUCTURE. Some unscrupulous companies choose TA's that provide limited info, because it SUITS THEM and their plans to (imo , 9/10 times) defraud investors.
The R/S is NOT provided by this TA. Unlike OTHERS I am NOT LAZY and do my DD; so when I contacted the company they told me that they would like to have shareholders know the SS but the TA's policy is not to do so.
LOL,...So, remove the CE (by doing your approp filings...you claim to have TONS of money--- for a company RUNNING A WEBSITE-- for crying out loud!!) and get a NEW TA! One that will allow shareholders to discern the float AND find out when those restricted shares come off restriction!!
Look, I am not going to go item-by-item here. You like your investment? Good for you, I see dilution going on AND can't prove it ANY MORE than anyone else can tell me that it is NOT occurring.
WHY? Because, no transparency, ...ENTI is choosing for shareholders to be kept in the dark!! I don't invest my money on gambles like this...there are PLENTY of FISH in the SEA and THERE ARE MANY Pink Stocks that act in the manner I have described; HLxT, TDxI are just a couple that do an excellent job AND there are others. No games, no hidden SS, contact & speak to the CEO's when you have concerns, NO DILUTION and appreciating stock prices...that's what I look for.
Until ENTI fixes some of these problems, smart money will see them for the scam they seem to be disguising- PERIOD!!!