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pit, your post is right on.
it's scary here and only getting scarier.
for investors there is no way to know which direction the pps will go--except in the short term
evidently since the likelihood of significant good news now seems to hover around zero in the
total absence of buzz...
x. your response is perfectly reasonable. i always respect your position and have learned from you.
still, i'll hold to what i posted, yet as a longtime long in lwlg, will continue to hope hope hope that
you prove to be right right right!
sometime reasonably soon would be very nice...
there is only one question: why no deal?
lwlg will sail into labor day with a pps significantly lower than it is now if no deal is announced.
the present pps could easily be seen as way high for a company that has never made a single verified
dollar.
i know a number of investment savvy finance people who aren't shorting the stock but who wouldn't
touch it with a ten foot pole because they insist there is no reason to think anyone is willing to do
business with them.
putting serious money somewhere based on what any ceo says about the company they manage
is nuts. hedge funds make so many different kinds of investments, including speculative gambles wherein
the possibility of a big home-run exists--especially in biotech and tech. if the funds holding lwlg decide to sell, we're talking crater city.
why no deal, dr. lebby, why no deal?
and so begins another week. of silence?
yes tedpeele. unfortunately, yes. possibly dismally, yes.
except for posters posting prattle, another silent week. another week of silence.
it's lucky you all have each other. minimal and strange though they are, they are relationships.
bonds of mutuality and agreed upon perspective, bonds of insult, disagreement, and acrimony,
all forged out of the occasional mixed messages and seemingly endless company silences.
next week? heaven forfend--more of the same...
at least have a good weekend everybody!
yes theroc66 and pp. also, wouldn't it be nice if dr. lebby saw fit to give us a sense of what he's been
up to as specifically as possible? and tell us suffering shareholders--speaking of myself here--something
about how he thinks things are going? an open letter to shareholders, a facebook posting, a tweet? not
going to happen, not really in the realm of possibility--yet, wouldn't it be nice?
so we enter another week, another week with almost no hope anything will be announced that has
to do with revenue--that is, an actual, verifiable deal with a customer.
there is no real when, there is only a too real whether: will they or won't they?
leonberger's sale of 49,000 shares was utterly deflating for me. to me it screamed, 'there will not be
a meaningful deal for a very long time.'
anybody who suggests i should just sell and get lost, however impolitely it was expressed, i wouldn't think of it as was bad advice--but after all these years of waiting, i just couldn't bear it if a deal was announced shortly thereafter.
what a predicament...
yes art2426, it is mind boggling.
it almost august, 2023, biel is trading between .0004 and .0005, there has been no communication
from the company in months, the ceo has done nothing meaningful in 3-4 years, there are fewer than
200 total shareholders, no sales, no advertising, no marketing strategy, 24 billion shares held by
the ceo and family, notes to cover, large debts...
all in all, looking good. bright future. reasons aplenty to spend time posting. only people with
full, good lives follow this gem. love it, hate it, devote time to it.
wish i could meet each and every one of you biel posters, just to satisfy my curiosity. i mean, who
are you??????????
infuriating and scary.
like losing your compass in the woods through sheer carelessness.
nrdc92 and proto: you two are excellent opposites. the two completely different perspectives on
lwlg:
one an an articulate investor, the other an articulate scientist.
the way the stock is trading up to this point nrdc's perspective is winning.
i pray proto's will prove to be right before too much longer.
no vein, no hit piece.
just the market reacting to no news, no deal, nothing except a bunch of proclamations made by
the scientist ceo who has been making proclamations for awhile without anything concretely
commercial happening. if nothing changes in next two months, i've said this could go to one dollar--why not? or lower...
proto. i agree with everything you say. but:
that doesn't change my basic point.
which i probably should not have posted--i did so out of frustration--partly from not taking my own advice
which has been to stop spending more than 10 seconds with lwlg until there is significant news
that relates to commercialization or...
proto. i wish you'd stop. just be patient and believe. silent belief would be more convincing--not that
anything you or others post affects the pps of lwlg. people who wear religion on their sleeves do
so out of desperation and fear and doubt...
oleblue. it's not like it's such a stretch to sour on lwlg. it has been so long in coming!
one either believes photonics will be adopted--or not.
one either believes michael lebby's predictions/proclamations--or not.
the market mostly does not. shorts have dominated and won--meaning made money--for a long
time.
not a single person knows how this is going to go. not any poster or investor or even the employees
of lwlg--including dr. lebby.
it is unlnowable and as a start-up tech, it is highly speculative--a gamble for shareholders, especially
longs such as myself.
i've said it before: it's best not to watch this day to day; wait for announcements about deals or
announcements that indicate lwlg is unlikely to succeed commercially.
it might be a long wait--like everything lwlg...
glta!!!!
nrdc92. sure is. it's getting old, i'm getting old, everybody waiting is too.
patience is an important virtue, though with stocks, it can also be a form of stubbornness that leads to
big losses. for awhile now the crux is that after waiting for so long, it would really be a mind-bender to
sell then have to watch it take off.
a tough spot for sure..
mr positive. i've owned millions of shares of biel for almost 15 years. you think i'm proud of that.
i've lost 84% of my investment. with no sign i'll recoup. why i post is purely out of frustration, to let
off a little steam about a company that hasn't been run like a publicly traded company. the whelans, they
have done pretty well for themselves. the rest of us bagholders--we're waiting to be euthanized. it's
much worse for those who believe something will change here, some near miracle will occur.
woop. the buying has dried up. only one direction for pps until deal announced. totally perplexing why
deal so elusive. some deal, any deal. viewed in the context of company claims it is cognitive dissonance.
forget ubiquity--just some deal, any deal...
srin. fine, except they don't communicate to shareholders at all.
i can sure understand buying and using the fine products. thinking about biel as an investor or
investment or even as a real company that attempts to function as a business--that i don't get.
i've owned millions of shares for 15 years--if i'd let myself take biel seriously i'd be miserable, if
not dead.
how long has it been with no pr? no letter to investors from management? no serious communication
of any kind from the company?
can anyone remember?
will biel ever again communicate to shareholders?
i wish i could understand why this doesn't bother some of you posters. in fact, it even seems to stoke
your positive outlook and opinion of the company.
in a way, that's so cool.
good news? hard to imagine. bad news? i can imagine dozens of scenarios that would crater lwlg.
no buzz, no insider buying, no news, and well, does it even need to be said?
management's failure to so much as mention the headwinds holding this hostage is irresponsible
bordering on dishonest/morally culpable. lebby seems unable to feel the pain longs are forced to live
with. he appears to be having a grand old time--more and more i wonder; who is he? what sort of
person is he?
proto taught some of us a lot. now he has no relevance. just a desperate investor very very emotionally
committed--after all, he's spent countless hours, weeks, months, years posting about lwlg.
if he went silent until an actual verifiable deal was made, he'd gain my respect--not that that matters
to him. also, lwlg has become something in his life no stock should ever become to a serious rational
investor, so silence isn't possible for him...
nrdc92. what you say is sadly true. a real, actual possibility. the fact there isn't any buzz about
lwlg in any industry is what's bothered me more than anything. lebby has yet to do one single thing that
would once and for all validate the commercial viability of the tech. his exuberant proclamations sound
more and more like hucksterism because of this total lack of buzz. certain posters here, if some big
executive sneezes, they hear lightwave. it's becoming like people who go nuts when a stain takes the
shape of what might be the image of the virgin mary. it's a miracle!!! lots of crooks have made lots
of money fooling people desperate to believe.
there is simply no good explanation for why lebby hasn't made lots of deals of all kinds.
the whole situation is scary and i'm hoping for a miracle.
jndouble1. omg--someone who actually knows something about trading and the markets. how strange.
srin also is a reasonable rational person: at least he uses the product and wants to be able to keep
buying it.
your good sense actually seems strange here amidst the looney pumpers and equally looney ddls et al.
for longs it is not a good idea to follow lwlg until lebby announces a concrete deal with numbers.
unless you are buying more. otherwise it may not even be healthy, mentally or physically. the pps
is firmly in the grip of those whose interest is to keep the stock from going up, at least meaningfully.
the company has done so much to position itself brilliantly for what's likely coming...
you are too dumb to have a driver;s license. how poor you must be. minimum wage--can't see you
earning that much...
ddls. i don't think they fight. i don't think they do anything. there is no indication that anyone is
actually working. 16 years. .0005. 127 shares traded. the same posters for years. wow.
what a company. what shareholders/bagholders. like me, for example.
ted. you strike me as a smart, rational investor. i don't get why longs get so stirred up by your
posts. you think you smell a rat. that the red flags, of which there are a number, correspond to
problems lwlg's management is concealing. tap-dancing around. it's like when someone really firmly
believes in god, they aren't defensive or angered when someone else doesn't. i think a lot of
pro lwlg posters here believe, but their belief is fragile--they have doubts. it's been such a long winding
road for longs, hopes for deals hatched with full transparency have been so long in coming--investors
are on edge. everything is speculation and hopefulness--until deals are announced.
you think that won't happen--at least not for years.
i think it will. i've no idea when, but before the end of the year is my personal timeline.
no news, no deal, no hint of a deal, no rumors--just silence.
it's actually bizarre. believers either buy more and wait, or hold and wait; others sell or trade
the swings in and out.
shorts have made money and continue to do so.
shareholders have no way of knowing anything.
it ain't easy being a long in lwlg!
sonata. so far yes. for me the rest of 2023 will tell the story. others are willing to project years before
the company sees commercial success, i'm unable to do that. a lot has to happen in the next 6
months or i'm moving on. will it? i have absolutely no idea. what i do have is hope and belief. the science
seems amazing. can management capitalize?
probity. do you think kelly whelan is working for biel or has been these last 6 months? if yes,
what do you think she does?
nrdc92, there are science posters like proto on this board. they educate investors like me beautifully.
i've learned a lot.
for my money--and it is my money--you are the sanest and most rational poster when it comes
to lwlg and business. you think like the traders and the big investors i'm acquainted with.
your criticisms of how lwlg is managed are spot on. until proven otherwise, your questioning skepticism
is articulate and justified. thank you.
will lebby's proclamations become reality? i hope so beyond words!
carlinNM. very good good sir. agreed 100%.
from a science standpoint, so much is known.
from a business standpoint, everyone is in the dark. that includes m. lebby.
me? i'm in the dark on both counts. fingers crossed, hoping. wishing some business hotshot
with a relevant track record would be given the responsibility for deal-making.
glta!!!!!!!!
lovelwlg. exactly. can't figure this thing out. from a business standpoint neither can anybody else.
other companies will either do business with lightwave or they won't. so far, well so far the pps is
at 6-plus and sinking. so many reasons to believe fully, so many red flags. it's rough stuff investing
in lwlg, unless the money doesn't matter...
xena. i really appreciate you and how you post with such resilience.
fyi: in my office and amongst those
outside in my acquaintance, (the majority of people i know are in finance in one capacity or another),
there are several traders who have shorted lwlg. none of them are 'worried,' anymore than they have
concern or mild anxiety about any position. they've made good money, and they think shorting is the
right move. they're used to making money and they're used to getting hurt. the trading of lwlg would look
considerably different if this 'they' that you imagine, as if they were a single entity, were scared. making
money is their foremost interest--it's how, or at least one of the main ways, they evaluate themselves and
get their kicks.
i can't speak for any shorters i don't know. it's certainly possible that plenty of them are anxious as hell.
the ones i know think shorting lwlg is smart, and it's us longs who should be sweating. the situation is
fluid for all of us invested in lwlg. as a heavily invested--for me--long, i pray the shorts get squeezed;
the guys i know who're short in lwlg will simply take their lumps and switch horses.
nrdc92. another very well articulated post. summarizes what i've observed and thoughts/worries
i've had.
i'm so hoping they succeed. deals begin to fall into place. lebby and all those employees who work so hard
are rewarded, as we shareholders are too. it'd be amazing, it'd be wonderful!
agree ted that it is impossible to really know why posters post.
i am a true long who hopes more than words can say that lwlg becomes very successful commercially.
hugely successful would be better. ubiquitous would be best.
because of my particular situation i am rooting as hard as i can for them to make 1 or 2 more deals
soon. within the next 2-3 months. my needs have zero relevance to the company's pace. certain things
that happen worry me, but my general impression is that they are moving forward. it is incredibly
difficult to do what they are doing, and i am grateful to those here who understand the science and
explain it in ways that make sense to me. as a company i find that communication is their weak point.
i have no idea why that is. i do wish they would hire someone in-house or an outside firm that is as good at public relations as the scientists led by lebby are at science.
good luck to all longs!
ddls. i do share your perspective generally. but i do not think i know what kelly is doing. i'm not
at all sure she does any actual work on biel's behalf. or, she is working very hard. she does not
believe it is part of her role as ceo of biel to communicate to investors. if she feels any responsibility
to investors , any obligation to them whatsoever, it is not evident in any way, shape, or form. her
attitude is: buy if you want to, sell if you don't like something about biel--i could care less. angry combative
andy, angry combative kelly. you guys can take a hike...
no one is denying anything sonata. no one needs waking up. there are a great many forces
at work. shorts among them. a lot of very smart, very aggressive, very experienced people and entities are working to make money, including with lwlg. if there is one thing some posters
don't seem to appreciate: every single stock is manipulated. no exceptions. with trading,
where there is money to be made by somebody at the expense of somebody else, no
company is out of bounds, no company is free from whatever moves traders can contrive
to prosper.
the road ahead is anything but smooth. bumpy and potholed though it is, lwlg seems to
have the goods to go way way up from here!
no runs. this is locked down. only big deal news will loosen the grip certain parties have.
we're back in waiting mode, hoping mode. a lot has happened, a lot has yet to happen.
for little guys, for the faint of heart, the stock market is a very rough go...