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Wheres the PR?
Can you say that you are so well versed in all of the laws, with all of the loop holes, red tape, and every possible scenario. That there is not even the slightest chance you could be wrong? You know for sure everything about it? I really do want to know the answer to these questions.
I do not no enough do make a decision based on the legal aspect of it.
Look I THINK it is more likely that MS isn't involved with the contract. All I am saying is. How do you know without knowing?
So now he quit? Where did you find that info?
If I have a company that develops a part, and some other companies materials are used in this product. I bought those materials, or obtained them via samples, doesn't matter. Why would the other company say anything about it? They wouldn't even have to know what I used their material for.
In fact most material vendors of any kind of material have no idea exactly where there material goes. Nor do they care.
If Warwicks contract was obtained with MS but KBLB had nothing to do with the product. Warwick just used the sample they had. Why would Kim have to say anything until there was a contract signed with kblb?
Maybe just maybe this isn't a likely scenario. But does that mean it's not possible?
I'm not saying I think this to be true. I am just saying you haven't proven without a doubt that MS isn't involved. So why act as if you have?
I have been playing catch up on my post reading. But I do agree that it is a more likely scenario that if MS is a part of the contract that it didn't start that way 2 years ago, but rather over the last year and some months. It could have been the thing that put Warwick over the top.
Remember when the CC was suppose to happen. Everyone got the impression that some how Kim was putting it off because he was waiting to find something out. Maybe that is what he was waiting for.
I have been on the fence with this being a possibility, but It is pretty ridiculous that anyone can't admit it could be possible.
I have how ever leaned more towards not likely. Only because I decided I don't want to over read Kim's PRs anymore. At least not with anything that I would have to stretch for.
Kim has always just given us what he had, and it never seems to turn out to be more then he told us. At least not by a lot.
Zinc I think you sun reference is insulting to anyone who disagrees with you. Your talking about proven fact vs a lot of unknown. Do you see your opinions as fact? I think that is just as delusional as the people who say the sun goes around the earth. You say others are close minded.
In the end we will find out the answer. it doesn't make anyone better or smarter than the other. It's a toss of the coin. only 2 possibilities. It either is or isn't true. Neither are impossible at this point.
"Like for example, whether Kim would have signed a JDA with Warwick, who is in very direct competition with SSM, if the work with SSM was still alive as Kim claims"
Why does a steel mill sell to 2 competing manufacturers, or 100s of competing companies? Because they make more money. One companies money is as good as another's.
Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. They changed accounting firms. It's not a riddle.
It is possible, but Warwick would have a hard time buying material from a company that goes bankrupt because it's not making any money.
If KBLB isn't making money in 2014 I am pretty sure it will sink to sub pennies. I know the second I start hearing 2015 will be the year, I will be gone. I'm sure a lot of others would be as well. Except for the traders.
I do know that when a car company buys materials for a prototype car that will not be released for years. They still have to pay for the materials up front.
For now I'm not to worried. I think there are many other things cooking. I still think we will see a major buyout next year. If not I don't doubt that our customer base will be extended well beyond Warwick.
To all worried about the, It may take years comment, Consider this. They will still need to purchase material from Kim to work with it. That is money in KBLBs pocket upfront.
Also Kim said there are others interested for athletic apparel. I doubt they will need to do much testing.
I'm sure there was a lot of work done with kevlar and carbon fiber before they were on any shelf.
Not really. People make guesses all the time on this board. They are all derived of very possible scenarios. One of them was bound to be right sooner or later. I can't believe the BS people come up with.
Am I seeing things, or is the bid and the ask the exact same. .0610
Thanks es1. I get the small gain thing now. I got spoiled when I started trading with a few lucky 300 - 400% gains. The problem is by the time I figured it out I was so far down that I couldn't sell any shares for a profit. So I started looking for a likely drop and selling a few and buying back in cheaper.
Hopefully I will be able to get things turned around. It's easy to predict a drop. Hard to predict news.
What was the point of coming all the way back down to .065 only to not close the gap?
Thanks Mike. I'm usually ok, but some days!!! Doesn't help that I bought more shares that are now at a loss. For now.
I have started to realize that this year. The problem is that I have been down on all my shares. I have sold many at a loss just to try to pick up cheaper shares. I have been somewhat successful with this, but it doesn't put money in my account. just more shares.
I have tried doing some trading into it. For every good trade I make I make a bad one to counter it. It adds excitement, but I don't really get anywhere.
I don't need it to be a dollar tomorrow. I just think that with all that has developed we should be in the teens. The first announcement of spider silk sent us to .026, but it fell after kim let people know that production was a ways off. Now here we are starting production, but the price has not responded at all. WHY?
If we were here 3 years ago we would have never dropped below .2 most likely.
I wasn't expecting 2 digits but I thought at least 8s to 9s. The worst part is the gap will probably close and we will be no better off than friday. Just like the last PR.
I find it funny that earlier this year people were saying that a JV would make this thing take off. before that it was an announcement that we have went into production. We now have both and here we sit.
I just want to know what it is going to take short of a buyout to make this thing get off the ground?
I believe in KBLB, but what is it going to take to make the rest of the world believe?
Why can't we get more than 15% on every run? This is great news. It was definitely more than I expected this soon.
Well I already have shares I have been holding. I had just been hanging on to some money to buy cheaper shares to bring my average down. I figured this would run bigger. Not sure about that now.
That would be fantastic
That sucks. over 300,000 shared traded at that price while I had my bid in and I got 1,000 out of 50,000.
I have a bid as the ask and it won't go.
I have had a partially filled order at .05 my self. Still have 29,500 left to fill. In fact I got the very last trade at .05. I also have an order in at mid 4s.
Things are going well, but I'm still not willing to put anymore in over .05. I need to bring my average down.
I feel like it could be a while until we here any more good news. Kims last PR didn't really leave much open as far as expecting news soon. Even when he does make it sound like we should get more news soon we still end up waiting for a month or more.
We still need to make samples. Then they will have to be tested. That could take who knows how long. I think and hope there will be plenty of more good buying opportunities at .05 or below.
Besides that 5 is my favorite number.
So are you saying your time isn't valuable so you can waste it here? Its to bad you have to waste the valuable time of others with your broken record posts. Why don't you try saying something you haven't said a 100 times.
I hope you are right, but I still think I will have time to pick up some more 5s. I hope.
Although I like the news. I don't think it's the news that will send us into blue skies. I think most of the info was already assumed by most anyway.
I wish Kim would get those samples done so we could find out what the costumers think.
Please elaborate? I don't see any issue one way or the other.
Yeah the government issues definitely throw a wrench into the works.
Well I'm ready to buy in the 4s for sure.
I wouldn't sweat it truth. Even if Ben did something wrong. Which I doubt he did. You hold the only evidence, and that could easily be deleted. You wouldn't even have to lie. You could say you had the email and deleted it. It would just be your word against Bens. You know mojo admitted to waiting for a buying opportunity. So he just wants to scare some shaky hands. But I won't help keep it going. I didn't see your post until I already said something.
So if I tell you I have a friend selling 3mil shares for personnel reasons. Is that insider? Likewise if Ben has a friend outside of the inner circle is that insider. I don't think so. I am not an expert. This is just my opinion. But I don't see how that would be a problem. Especially if it was after the shares were sold.
Can anyone tell me do the shares outstanding update when CSC receives them, or after they are sold to the market?
He could be implying that there is nothing negative happening with the company. So there would be no reason to sell based on KBLB.
I know what you mean. I have had orders that I know should have went through first that never did. Even cases where I could see my own mm got the shares but must have gave them to another client. Even though I could see my shares on level 2 before the other shares were added at the same price. I had it happen yesterday. Pisses me off.
Not quite 50/50 your forgot about the green 0 aka no change. lol
He didn't state it as a fact. He just said he believes.
Ok I am still pro KBLB. So don't insult me by calling me floyd.
I realize that the equipment is useful to Kim. It will save him time IN THE FUTURE. But I don't think its PR worthy. I don't think many others do either. It has no short term effect. Until Kim Has something to say beyond the lab this won't go anywhere.
How are machines going to teach Kim how to speak intelligently to his customers? They spit out numbers thats about it. Kim should already know what those numbers mean. I would think he could learn more on the internet for free then a machine is going to teach him.
Do you think I like being disappointed with my very large investment? Thats just the way I see it. Sorry I'm not eternally optimistic. But I'm still here. I still have faith in the long term.
I just want to here something that says we have things going on outside the lab that will lead to revenue.
Has anyone else noticed Kim's MO has changed from previous years? In the past he rarely through out fluff PR. This year they have become so frequent they are predictable. I hope that means something is brewing. He has never shown concern for the PPS in the past. I guess as always we will have to wait and see.
I wish that if Kim is going to put out a PR it would contain some statistical information. Like how many eggs or worms he has generated over the last 2 years. Maybe something about the fact that they aren't being raised in the lab as everyone thought until Ben was contacted. There has to be something better to say then we are buying testing equipment.
This PR is obviously an attempted to rescue the PPS. What I don't get is Kim is suppose to have a fair amount of experience in the stock market. How could he not know that a PR without anything solid wouldn't help at all? Everyone else seem to know. Why waste money on the PR. In fact these kinds of PRs can do more damage then good.
People have speculated that Kim might read this message board. I think not. If he did I don't think he would put out PRs like today. Considering it was stated numerous times that he would put out a fluff PR and it would most likely have a negative impact.
Don't get me wrong I know that having this equipment can help expedite future progress on future products, but I don't need a PR about it.
Your forgot to mention that Kim is looking to add 2 key staff members. That will help reduce some of his titles.