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.025 printed !!! I stole the monkey.
Apologies for stealing the monkey but he's needed...
http://ralleymonkey.com/video/kenindex.swf
Bingo! I was thinking the same thing.
"Looks like GGI put a lot of money into the merger just recently buying the same shares for a buck a piece.
Evidently they saw some value...
In addition, Golden Gate purchased an additional 482,791 shares of common stock under the stock purchase agreement for $482,791, which was credited against monies advanced."
I think it's all good as well. Im waiting on the next PR, should be a doozy.
What the hell are you BSing about?
Level 2 is exactly the same as it was yesterday at the close.
No change at all. MMs haven't even signed on yet.
This is going to be fun. Bashers feel the heat with the aftermarket good news. Glad I didn't sell when I had my little hissy fit the other day. Added more yesterday.
Apologies to all and Andrew. I blew a fuse on a stressful day last Friday but the intelligent posts here re: Aero's revolutionary product helped me keep my head. Thanks.
Im starting to see the big picture.
I agree with what you and Imperial are saying about this.
I think I can get over the "exclusion clause" and believe this deal is very good for SPZI and its shareholders.
But the argument you have made is only valid IF 141 WILL NOT BE SUB LEASING SWARM TO OTHER TRADERS.
If SWARM will be marketed and licensed to other traders, then SPZI should be the one who does that while owning 100% of the revenue for doing so.
If that is not the case, and 141 will be subleasing SWARM to other traders, then the deal looks like a semi swindle and your argument for having 141 be the EXCLUSIVE user of SWARM becomes undone.
I think this issue of whether 141 will sublease SWARM is an issue all SPZI shareholders need clarified.
That's not the issue.
The 141 deal was explained in a muddy fashion which creates a problem of perception bashers can latch onto.
Their argument is whether SWARM and other intellectual property owned by SPZI and its shareholders has and will be in the future stolen from shareholders through deals which benefit others more than us.
SWARM is an important asset of SPZI. If you don't see that, what can I say?
Questions are concerned with the manner of communication used by SPZI and the nature of the deal they made now and whether they will continue to make this type of deal in the future.
Good post Imperial, but...
First of all, once again, your posts are the bomb. And your logic has helped me see past some of my problems with this play. So thank you.
But I still have a couple of issues.
First, I don't appreciate the way the 141 deal was rolled out in the last two PRs. On Sept 25th we were led to believe that the 120 million shares for 141 was in the form of a sponsorship by SPZI of 141.
I thought, "We're getting 120 million shares and we're giving up nothing. That's genius. Awesome."
The PPS went from .085 to .011 right away.
Then the next day we get the PR about SWARM being "exclusively" "licensed" to 141 for the 1.5 mill, the 7% and the 120 million shares. The market reacted negatively and the price has dropped to between .009 ands .01
The problem is that the "sponsorship" turned into an "exclusive license" which after careful review looks like a "perpetual transfer sale" of SPZI technology to 141.
I'm starting to understand that regardless of all that, the deal with 141 still looks very profitable. But I don't like the way this deal was rolled out. I feel like it has hurt Paul's credibility and I hope from now on he realizes that it's better to just be straight from the get go. And he really needs to issue another PR which clarifies EVERYTHING.
Lack of clarity gives bashers the ability to make a good deal look bad.
The second thing which still has me scratching my head is why they want to "EXCLUDE" other traders from using SWARM for the futures and derivatives market?
Theoretically, we come here to IHUB and we share positive DD as you have done so eloquently, Imperial. We do that so that others will see the good deal here and BUY SPZI therefore making the PPS go up.
If SWARM will tell other traders the same thing it's telling 141, why doesn't Paul/141 want that to happen. Isn't there a similar extedned profit in numbers as to the decisions SWARM will make for 141 trading? I am confused on this issue and I can imagine somebody articulating an argument which alleviates my problem. So please don't assume that any attempt to answer this will be attacked by me. I could be wrong here, I just don't know exactly why there is an advantage to 141 and SPZI in keeping SWARM (for futures/derivative) to themselves. Any help would be appreciated.
If SWARM works, then surely the greatest profits will come from licensing it to as many people as will pay heavily for the privilege of using it, right? As I stated in my Bouncer argument a days ago.
Also, Paul needs to clarify whether or not 141 will, as a result of its exclusive control of SWARM (for derivative/futures), be able to sublease SWARM to other traders. If that is the case, then that is a big problem for me. Hear me out...
I understand that SPZI should not be trading using SWARM since SPZI would have a conflict of interest with customers purchasing automated trading solutions and other SPZI products, but as for leasing such products to other traders/customers...THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SPZI IS IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING. And for that purpose and as to those sort of transactions I want assurance from Paul/SPZI that SPZI and its shareholders will not have this revenue source taken from them via this 141 deal and that SPZI will not be sharing such revenue with 141.
In short, we need to know whether 141 will be taking business profits away from SPZI by sub-leasing SWARM.
SPZI sells software while 141 trades.
As long as Paul will clarify that this is the way it will work, I am looking to get back into SPZI. But if this 141 includes 141 sub-leasing SWARM, I don't like it. Paul needs to clarify all of this.
If there's a good financial reason for SWARM to be licensed exlcusively to 141, then I can understand the deal, just as long as 141 will not be subleasing SWARM as that would effectively take something SPZI had 100% control of away from us....
My best personal guess from the 1.85 million shares sold today two ticks BELOW the bid (which I posted about earlier), is that GGI was involved and that, hopefully, hope hope hopefully... FCCN negotiated with GGI to have them finish their debenture off today so that the 10K will tell us that GGI is gone.
If that is, in fact, what happened and is the cause for the delay...
I will be one happy FCC'n camper.
Regardless, a little PR heads up on Friday would have been a better way to handle it IMO. Keeping your word is important.
Hopefully they're gonna give up the love soon.
Just when I thought I was out...
have to defend my DD. need the last word.
"A sale is much different than a perpetual license."
Only if the license is not exclusive. If the license is exclusive and perpetual the difference is in name only not effect.
"SPOOZ owns the IP associated with SWARM. Period."
Big deal. if the license bars them from leasing it to other parties, this means jack crap. It's the person who controls the intellectual property that "effectively" owns it.
"141 gets to use SWARM as long as they uphold the agreements in the licensing contract."
Since 141 and SPZI are the same people, I don't see how not upholding the contract is a possibility. What will SPZI do if 141 doesn't uphold the contract? Will Paul go sue himself in court?
Listen people, I have made a valid point here, a point which is in the best interest of SPZI shareholders to have clarified by Paul.
I want to leave this now. But if you want me to stay here and bash my point home, I will and it will not be good for PPS because I know the law and I can articulate the law.
Let's see a little PR love from Paul to the shareholders with some clarity as to what the deal is.
He's left this open for bashers to have a field day and that's what is going on.
Jenny, Snow and Verapan are all the same people as far as I can tell. Their handwriting and arguments and even the manner in which they graphically structure paragraphs are the same. Furthermore, all three are involved posting exclusively at the same two boards where they hold the same exact positions. Look at their posting history for confirmation.
The MOds here should have Shelley or Matt (IHUB MOds) check their IPs to see if that proves my point.
The Mods here need to be more vigilant about weeding out this behavior. Have a little courage that what you are seeing is truly what you think it is.
See you got another alias.
I am officially out of SPZI, was in at .0087, out at .01
I am counting on the bashers and the lack of control the MODS have in weeding out the paid bashers using multiple IDs to bring the price down.
Furthermore, I need clarification from SPZI whether the so called "license" to 141 is actually a license or was it a permanent "sale" of SWARM.
The PR said the license was "exclusive" and that means, as to futures and derivatives, SPZI will not allow any other traders to use SWARM.
If that exclusive license is also "perpetual" as was attributed to Paul in an e mail he sent to someone from this board, then 141 now has effective "ownership" of SWARM, not just a license.
And if that is the case, I will find it EXTREMELY devious for Paul to be calling a transaction like this a "license". A license which is exclusive AND perpetual is no different than a "sale".
Furthermore, under the terms of such a sale, it will be 141 and not SPZI who may have the rights to "sublease" SWARM since they will be in control of the intellectual property involved.
Until this is cleared up by Paul, I believe it will hold the PPS down and that paid bashers will also swarm here holding the price down as well.
You have seen an influx of paid bashers. Nobody hangs around bashing a stock they own for weeks on end.
I was long SPZI and defended the stock with much heart until I read about the e mail from Paul yesterday which said the licesne was "perpetual".
I also challenged the bashers who claim to be long, I challenged them to act with proper etiquette by selling their shares and leaving the board so as not to continuously damage other people's investments which I believe is such a rude thing to do.
So, I am living by my own words. I do not own even one share of SPZI anymore. I will be looking closely and waiting for more info before I come back as a long.
I hope you all make money on this interesting stock play. I hope to one day do the same.
i have used this post to clarify my position and to answer the PM I received as my Ihub account is free and I cannpt return PMs. This is my final post unless and until I once again become long SPZI.
I hope by living up to this proper etiquette, the bashers who remain here and FUD day in and day out will be exposed and banned from this wonderful Ihub box.
Peace
How does one accomplish such a good buy?
It's not like anybody is going to sell us 1.85 million shares two full ticks below the bid.
No comment on this post?
Does anybody else ready anything into 1.85 million shares well below the bid?
Promising Level 2 develoments...
At 9:59 the bid was at .024 and the ask was at .025
when came matching 500000 trades at .0222
Think about that, the bid was at .024 but somebody sold (and somebody bought) 1 million shares at .0222 with the ask at .025 which was hit three times in a row after these .0222 trades.
Then, at 10:23, with the bid at .024 and the ask at .025, two trades went down at .023, one trade for 350000 shares and another for 500000 shares.
1.85 million shares sold two ticks below the bid...
And these trades only saw the ASK going up.
I would imagine GGI might have just been sent packing. And if I'm right, look for .029 in the near future.
By the way, I got some cheapies at .022
Stuff it, dude.
Ever heard of the Law of Attraction?
Go look it up in Wikipedia.
As most here know, I have some issues with FCCN and IR, but it's posts like yours that really have me excited about FCCN. When paid bashers come along to save me, that's when I really start to get more money into my brokerage.
I think this is it people. The dark cavalry are here and that can only mean one thing. Somebody somewhere has brought them here out of desperation and fear of a rising PPS.
I've got a full supply of popcorn, butter and Pino Noir. No work for me this week. 24/7 trade monitoring.
Rub the rally monkey early for good luck.
http://ralleymonkey.com/video/kenindex.swf
Thanks for reminding me why I bought this stock. The AERO product line is revolutionary.
Not happy with FCCN or IR this week. Can't wait for Aero to take over.
It's not the content of the 10K, it's keeping your word that matters. They've put many on edge because people are prone to wonder whether the 8K is coming on time now that the 10K has been delayed.
But as long as they've got the the 10K out pre-market tomorrow, I think all will be good.
Was it "exlusive" and perpetual or "non-exclusive" and perpetual?
It is possible that it may be "exclusive" for a limited time and then become "non-exclusive"... and also perpetual.
"3. Will the license for SWARM to 141 Capital expire? If yes, can it be renewed under different terms?
Answer: It is perpetual"
Did he address that in your email?
If the license is "perpetual" and "exclusive", I don't like it.
I will stop posting here if that is the case.
And I will probably stop posting here anyway because the MODs do no seem to be interested in keeping paid bashers in check.
The 141 license is not "perpetual" according to the PRs.
The PRs do NOT say that. My reading of the PRs does not indicate that the license is perpetual.
There's nothing in the public record to say the license is perpetual. If it were perpetual it would not be a license, it would have been a permanent sale.
It is possible that a perpetual license is part of the 141 deal, but I would imagine that any language as to it being perpetual would also show it being "non-exclusive".
If the license is "perpetual" and "exclusive", I would not be happy about that.
By legal definition, an exclusive license will have a set period for it to begin and end. The license may provide terms for it to be renewed, but this is far from it being "perpetual".
A "non-exclusive" license could be perpetual, but an exclusive license would not be perpetual. At least, I've never seen a perpetual exclusive license. Regardless, there's nothing in the PRs to suggest the license is perpetual.
I appreciate your posts, but please be careful with the terminology. We don't want to feed the animals.
If the license is perpetual and non-exlusive, I may have a problem.
Can somebody please elaborate on this issue with DD directly attributed to Paul. I may have missed something here.
You misrepresented your words.. This is what you said...
"Again I just have a feeling many feel we have been slighted."
Speak for yourself, because you don't speak for me. You are not going to win this one. I promise you. SPZI is not some crappy littl pink sh*T. This one is bigtime. So go play your games with your little pals, you're just making us look good, building volume of posts.
YOU'RE BUILDING THE VOLUME OF THIS BOARD AND YOU'RE INSPIRING ME. And that is not in your best interests.
1000 shares, what a load of crap. It's just too easy to spot them these days. They always become exposed when the company is truly for real.
SPZI is for real.
I believe in this company.
I absolutely do believe that.
"Do you really expect that ouside money will put a lot of money into 141 if the license runs out anytime soon?"
Duh.
SCENARIO:
1. The license runs out after one year.
2. In that year, SWARM proves itself a monster and makes 141 and SPZI a ton of money.
3. SPZI announces it will be licensing SWARM to the general public for derivatives etc.
4. SPZI publishes its audited finacials based on SWARM success.
5. Outside money lines form in Chicago, end in China.
6. We all get rich.
Duh. You are too easy.
Stop making unsupported evil assumptions.
"My main objection to your calculation is that I assume the license fee is not recurring. You cannot reasonably base a p/e ratio on non-recurring revenue. If it is recurring I have no major objection to your calculation."
You have nothing, nada, zilch to support your assumption that the license fee is not recurring.
But maybe it isn't, still you fail to point out that the license will END. 141 is test driving SWARM. [And that means its debut has a higher chance of success than with any other trader.]
That test period, by virtue of it being set by a license, must, according to law, have a set period for the license to end.
The more fair ASSUMPTION is that the fee won't be recurring because the license will come to an end and any future license may be renegotiated. But you're not interested in playing fair.
All you do is assume evil when all of the evidence points to this 141 deal being a huge bonus for SPZI.
Not OT, just OS. Off sanity.
"My take on what has happened is that the great success rate of SWARM is the reason for the quiet period and for insiders wanting to make some extra money at the cost of ordinary shareholders of SPZI. Is that statement off-topic?"
I don't believe you Jenny Snow. What you fail to relay in your posts, but which you know is true, is that SPZI was sold to the public as a DESIGNER of software, not a trader of securities or derivatives.
Everybody knew that going in. SPZI designs software for traders.
SPZI is NOT a trader. If SPZI were a trader, it would have a conflict of interest with other traders it is intending to market its product to.
Nobody who bought this stock before the recent 141 PRs knew they would get shares in a company that uses its own capital and the capital of hedge funds etc to make bets in the market for them.
We bought this company thinking it would license its products to traders. Nowhere did SPZI ever tell us they would use their own money to make bets on the stock and derivatives market for us.
But then, out of freaking left field, Paul announces that not only do we own SPZI but we will also own part of 141 which:
1. WILL USE ITS OWN MONEY TO MAKE TRADES
2. WILL USE THE CAPITAL OF OTHER INVESTORS TO MAKE TRADES
3. WILL GIVE US 1.5 MILLION CASH
4. WILL GIVE US 120 MILLION SHARES OF 141
5. WILL GIVE US 7% OF THE PROFITS OF 141
6. ALL OF THE ABOVE FOR A RESTRICTED[/B]LICENSE PERIOD (WHICH WILL END).
NOBODY EVER PROMISED YOU WE'D BE GIVEN SHARES IN THE CAPITAL GAINED BY THE USE OF SPZI SOFTWARE BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT PAUL HAS DELIVERED.
So for Paul to give us this amazing bonus is the exact opposite of doing so at the "Cost of us shareholders."
I was completely blown the f**k away when I found out we would own part of 141. aND SO WERE YOU.
Jenny Snow, you post on the same two boards. And you are not fooling me and I will be here to cover every bash you spread. Every single one. I will expose all blatant nasticity.
I will protect my investment with truth, I will defend all attacks on this company. I believe in this company.
Then why does she mention "the extremely loyal shareholders"
That is so emotionally charged and blatant. Just ask the damn question and cut the implication via rhetoric. Like she's a "loyal shareholder."
With shareholders like her, SPZI won't need enemies.
You certainly did imply that Paul scrweed SPZI shareholders.
"Defireman, are you serious? I hope you didn't mean with the statement "that Paul is screwing shareholders". I never said anything along these lines..."
Yeah, you certainly did.
In post 29650 on Sept 26, 2007, you stated:
"What I don't get is the following. Paul and all the others hold lot's of SPZI shares and they also own this 141 company so why are they giving the long term shareholders which have been extremely loyal throughout all these years only 7%??"
Wow, you even put two question marks. Your "question" is a bash and a half. The implication is that Paul should have given us more and that it was greedy of him to not do so and the sure implication is that we all got screwed.
It never crossed your mind that SWARM was always intended to be licensed to traders? Your problem seems to be that Paul/141 is the trader it was licensed to. Had Paul achieved this 1.5 million cash, 120 million shares and 7% profit from some other company, you wouldn't be able to bash this way. You'd find another way though.
What you've failed to honestly discuss in your post is that Paul/141 will be putting their own money on the line when they make the SWARM trades. SPZI gets FREE bets. We don't risk anything.
WE DONT RISK ANYTHING.
IF PAUL WAS SCREWING US, THE NATURE OF THE DEAL WITH 141 WOULD NOT BE AS A LICENSE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FORM OF A CRAPPY SALE.
SWARM wasn't sold, it was "partially" leased.
Paul is going to test drive SWARM with his own money and then give us a cut. I think he's been damn generous.
Your analysis is downright disgusting.
Furthermore, in post # 30415 on Sept 28, 2007 you stated:
"I do still have confidence in SPZI, otherwise I would have sold, I'm at break even right now. So please don't take my posting as a bash because I own a lot of shares here."
Well, only an idiot would see your posts as not bashing. And only an idiot would bash relentlessly for days on end while owning so many shares. You got a gripe, fine, make it. But if you're long we ought to see some balance in your posts. There is noene.
You know I don't believe you own a single share of SPZI. But if you do, and you are so upset with the way things are going, and you are at "break even" then why don't you break even now and buy back later when you see something you like?
As long as you're at "break even" stop making all these negative statements and get the hell out of Dodge.
Great post Gab,
Very conservative analysis which shows a nice doubling of SPZI pps... and that's just based on one single deal for one part of the SPOOZ product line and that's a license which will expire one day. And it's only a license for one sector of the market.
Hasn't anybody else realized that by having 141/Paul take SWARM out to publicly test drive SWARM for profits we are in such a stronger position to have it become a phenomenon.
Imagine if Paul had licensed it to somebody else for more money, but that entity didn't use it as well as Paul will. The first results on this software will be the most important. It needs to make money coming out of the gate. With Paul in the driver's seat, the chances of it being a fast success are much stronger.
When Paul has teased the market place, when the exclusive license runs out, they will be lined up a mile long to get on SWARM. Think long term on this play. If this works out, who will be able to trade without it?
Maybe I've missed something and I am prone to dreaming. But might we be sitting on something here which is potentially MASSIVE?
If SWARM and ST work as well as we think they work, how will traders go without this stuff? And people are worried about the first license? C'mon, sometimes the big picture doesn't pan out. But if this one does, man are we in for a trip.
Pinks are by nature, not safe. So I consider all Pinks a risk, but I also play poker and I know that I have to get my chips all in when I "think" I've got the best of it. Sometimes Aces get cracked. That's life. But they win alot more than they lose.
[Thanks for all the good vibes from the board. I can't PM so sorry if I dont get back to you tat way.]
It's a matter of context...
It's not that you can't ask a question, it's the way you state the question.
It's not a matter of making an objective observation, it's the way you characterize your observation.
You, and others, have made terrible accusations about Paul having sold out SPZI to 141 without having any evidence to back that up.
It's one thing to ask, "Is it possible that 141 is getting a better deal than SPZI on this transaction"... which is a legitimate question to ask.
It's quite another thing to group all shareholders together and speak for them as you did and speak for them in such a negative way by stating that SPZI shareholders got screwed in "Round 1" and that Paul and 141 took advantage of us. That's what you said and what others have said and all of the evidence taken together doesn't bear that out. Not by a long shot.
There's more than one kind of volume. The volume on this Ihub board is picking up exponentially. People are doing their DD and some do it by bashing. But they will be covered by those here who can articulate and fight back.
This board is laced with intelligent people like Imperial whose posts speak to the fundamentals in such a clear way as to make this decision very easy for me. I have been led by this board to the DD which makes this a very easy decision of being long.
The bashers turn up when MOMO is anticipated. Just like black helicopters UFOs, right?
Paul owes SNOW/JENNY NOTHING....
Paul/SPZI doesn't owe anything to them. SPZI are free to make whatever strategic decisons regarding the release of info that they deem best for the company and if Snow/Jenny don't like it they can just go fund another company to believe in.
Who the hell wastes all of their time and money bashing a stock they own for months on end? Do you honestly think Snow/Jenny are trying to help you make an informed decision?
Here's the formula: Do your own DD. Read the entire ihub box above you. Go to a search engine and dig. Read the PRs.
If all of the above doesn't make you want to go long, then sell or stay out of the picture until the price has moved up and all is confirmed.
THIS IS A GAME.
Management + Investors = TEAM
Paul is concerned with the best interests of the team. He has done nothing anybody can point to which "proves" in any way that he hasn't been a good Captain of this team.
If people don't want to be on the team, they should sell.
There's no good that will come to any long by bashing the Captain.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
If shareholders have a gripe, let them state it and the FACTS such gripe is based upon... Then sell or shut up. The worst ettiquette is to consistently bash a stock once you've made a negativ point. When I lose faith in a company, I state my reasons why, respond to others on that day and then I either sell or find a reason to stay long and shut up.
I don't continue day after day to bash the company while holding the stock thinking that this kind of behavior would in any way make my position grow in value. People who do that are NOT LONG. They are liars and bashers and they have other nefarious agendas.
Has anybody noticed the increase in board volume this week?
That will tell you all you need to know about what is going on with this company. Think about it. Why are people all of a sudden showing up out of the blue. People like me, new longs.
Bashers too. You know why. We all know what is about to happen. Shorts, flippers and MMs are trying to scare people and get management to react so their flipping decisions will be made easier.
THEY ALL SMELL THE MONEY.
But Paul is running this ship like a master. Longs know how to read his PRs. The guarantee that these MOMO players want will NOT be forthcoming in PRs until it's too late.
Paul is forcing people to make a decision on the fundamentals and the past performance of his word.
Don't group all shareholders together.
I don't see even remotely eye to eye with you. IMO you've got it all backwards and your extrapolations as to Paul's intent appear to me to be extremely negative with no basis at all.
"...all I have said thus far that could remotely be confused with me being negative on SPZI is that the market, us shareholders seem to view this as an negative and that Paul and company are taking care of themselves 1st."
"us shareholders" don't think the way you do. SPZI made SWARM to gain profit from it by having companies use it. I feel a whole lot better knowing it's Paul's company doing the public test drive than if they had made the same deal with some other company. Furthermore, you make this statement about 141 getting a better deal with no basis in fact just speculation.
You have no idea how this will play out for SPZI shareholders.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
You're making baseless claims that it's better for 141 than it is for SPZI. And that tells me Paul's game is working. If you don't have faith in Paul, than you should sell. AND IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN HIM, THEN YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN SOLD OUT.
"I mean look at the market reaction to this news. I think shareholders here are on the edge of their seats wondering ok whats all this mean."
EXACTLY. That is exactly why I believe in Paul. SPZI longs are NOT wondering what this all means. SPZI longs are slowly accumulating, putting more money in our accounts and waiting for those accounts to clear funds to invest whatever extra cash we've got on hand.
And we're watching flippers, MMs and shorts wondering what the market reaction is to this news. AND THATS EXACTLY WHY PAUL IS A GENIUS. Because the fast money MOMO volume players are sitting around wondering what it all means.
PAUL IS TAKING CARE OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIS VISION.
And he's not bothered at all by those who don't believe he has SPZI shareholders interests at heart.
"I think we all think its sounds good but it is not the news we have been expecting."
I was expecting a much longer quiet period. I was expecting alot less than this. Speak for yourself, I am psyched.
"It appears that Paul and company 141 are the BIG 1st round winners."
Your have no idea and nothing at all to make that speculation upon. You have no numbers. You have no percentages. You have nothing. You want Paul to make it easy on you to play your game, but instead he's making you squirm. And I hope he continues to make people squirm. If the man hasn't proved himself to you, then just sell your shares. There's plenty of people waiting to pick up cheap shares.
You see, this is the fundamental difference between longs and those that claim to be long. Longs are not bothered at all by the lack of volume. We will gladly take all those shares weak hands feel are too hot to handle.
And we know that the CEO is more interested in pleasing us than you.
"I just dont think this was the news we were looking for"
Don't say "we were looking for"... "We" are not thinking the same way. From now on just speak for yourself and not the rest of us. I mean you no ill will, but you really do not speak for me.
At some point well after close....
that 630000 sale at .028 from 4:04 PM was followed by a mirror 630000 trade at .029 backposted to 4:00 pm. L2 reads like this
630000 16:00:30 .029
630000 16:04:54 .028
30000 16:00:30 .029
9500 15:59:45 .029
May not mean much to anybody else, but a full tick up and a green close makes for a much nicer weekend than the miserable Friday night I had.
SPZI has already delivered more...
We've got a real company here with real products, and now proven revenue. This company is making deals, kicking butt and taking names.
Go try to find another pink sheet with this much potential and so very little to lose. We're basically around a penny a share for a company that has already proven itself to have real products which are intriguing, exist here and now and are getting alot of attention.
We've got an experienced management team who has delivered us real revenue and is making deals left, right and center.
The PRs have started to come but some are not satisfied. Hey, Paul never promised to release everything in one PR. He's giving you a chance to see what the real deal is and accumulate by giving out the relevant info slowly, but surely.
I BELIEVE HE'S NOT GIVING YOU THE PERCENTAGE OF 141 THE 120 MILLION WILL BUY BECAUSE HE IS RIGHTFULLY SHAKING OUT THE WEAK HANDS WHO DONT BELIEVE IN HIM.
That's right. I would do the same thing. Why give a bonus to people who are going to bash the living hell out of you? Follow me here:
a. He's made a deal.
b. He's told you about the deal.
c. He's given you some facts, ie 7% on profits, 1.5 million cash, 120 million shares.
d. He's explained why they are doing it this way.
e. He's left out a few key facts, ie what % the 120 mil will buy.
f. he has a purpose in holding back
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE IN HOLDING BACK
PURPOSE #1:
The purpose is to shake flippers, shorts and MMs from doing what they do best, ride a stock with MOMO until it's been ridden like a cheap whore and thrown to the wolves. Paul is NOT going to let his company be herded like that. He's not going to make it easy on anybody who doesn't have faith in him and his team LONG TERM.
PURPOSE #2:
By following this plan of slow info release, Paul and SPZI have given us longs the chance to accumulate shares at ridiculous low prices.
So, I say thank you to Paul for allowing me to reap the benefits of my own DD and the DD of everybody here, especially the mods and ESPECIALLY Imperial_Whazoo.
Paul is increasing the pressure on MMs and shorts by proving to them that he has the long term investor held dear to the heart of SPZI. He's not interested in making fast money for flippers. He's not interested in delivering gushing PRs which have more fluff than meat.
He's making deals and releasing the details of those deals at a pace he feels will keep the company on a steady line of growth. Babies are whining for more info like they somehow deserve a prize for being an investor. You invest for the long term and if you're not long I hope the CEO makes you squirm.
I am going long on SPZI because my DD ensures me of a very long trip. If you don't like the company, than sell me your shares or say your peace one time and shut up. Stop repeating yourselves over and again. Your posts are logged and available for the world to read. Have confidence that you've made your case and that the company will hear you.
This company is the most exciting financial reality on my life right now. I am in other Pink/BB situations, but none of them make me feel as safe with my money as SPZI.
I want people to share DD, whether it be good or bad, but regardless, back up your DD with facts or links or something substantial.
The bashers have no meat on their bones, just blatant negativity with nothing to base it on. Nobody promised you a damn thing. If you don't like the goods, get out of the company. If you're short, run for cover.
"Pretty standard actually."
Best IHUB box I've ever seen.
Thanks for all the hard work and sharing the DD, people.
This is the most promising pink around right now.
I needed a good night's sleep.
A whiskey and cola put me right out.
Things looked better with the sunrise.
Can't wait for Monday and some PR/filing love.
That's not accurate, Todd.
It contradicts what you posted in message # 76940:
"OK Guys.. just spoke with Andrew..
Anyway, here goes..
1) The 10K will be out sometime tomorrow.. while they were shooting for pre-open it really depends on when the Auditor review is complete and the sign off is given for them to file. Nothing that he is aware of will prevent that from happening tomorrow, but there is no guarantee it will be first thing tomorrow.. so don't freak out if it's a bit late."
"will be out sometime tomorrow"
According to my record of the conversation I had with him, "will be out on Sept 28" is exactly what he said to me,
"The 10 K will definitely be out on Sept 28 and it will tell you exactly what GGI has left, or it may even tell you GGI is done."
It's the flipping of that certainty which creates uncertainty and therefore stress.
But as long as the merger goes through on time, none of this will probably matter, but they've blurred the image, not us. And you can't blame people for getting angry. It's our money and they've behaved just like every other pink by not doing what they said they would do.
Either they gave Andrew the green light to promise the 10K by yesterday, or Andrew got it wrong. And we deserve a pre-Monday PR, which was promised, explaining what happened.
Apologies for being alarming yesterday.
"If I had a dollar for every time a pinksheet IR guy said everything is proceeding as scheduled I'd have more money in my trading account than I do now lol."
I agree with you, it's just that I had some really good conversations with Andrew and I honestly thought he was different and I had posted that sentiment to this group. I went out on a limb to tell people extremely good things about Andrew. I spoke so highly of him that people thought I was pumping, but the guy was way more prepared for my questions than any other IR guy I have ever spoken to. And I still hold to that. Yesterday was just a bad day.
Yesterday was a triple whammy bad EOD for me.
1. No 10K
2. There was an after market trade of 650000 shares which took the close, on my portfolio at least, from .029 to .028.
3. The Andrew incident.
That all happened within 30 minutes of each other and I was not a happy camper.
I think it should be obvious to anybody who reads my posts, that I was very angry about that last .028 trade. So, all those people who thought I was just switching to basher to get cheaper shares, you're just plain wrong. I wanted the close at .029 because I own my entire position.
I have a history of nailing IR guys or CEOs on Pink or BB companies when they don't live up to their words. You can see that in my posts to other boards. I don't like BS and when I smell it, I say so.
I didn't hit Andrew with hugs and kisses when I spoke with him last night, but until he said -- "I don't care" -- I wasn't overtly rude either. I got the impression that just asking him about the 10K was getting on his nerves and he clearly changed his tune from last time I spoke to him when he guaranteed the 10K by yesterday.
Todd's big recap of his Andrew conversation on Thursday said the exact same thing, that Andrew had guaranteed the 10K yesterday.
OK, so the company let him down. He needed to be honest about that and not deny the very things he promised. The company definitely gave him a green light to promise the 10K so Andrew should not have been saying otherwise to cover their asses.
The man just made a mistake. And so did I.
I still believe Fccn/Aero is a good play and that Andrew has done a fine job up until yesterday. We all have bad days. Hopefully they've heard the restless natives war chant and will not pull such a stupid stunt again.
If I misread the following, I apologize.
http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=fccn&tabValue=5#getShortInfo
I thought that meant we were on the REG SHO since that date, not off of it since that date. If I read it wrong, I apologize.
Very stressful day. I need a shower.
Listen, just read my posts in this forum.
I said previously that Andrew was a very honest and forthright IR guy and that I trusted him. I have a long history of posts which are glowing about FCCN. This is the first negative thing I've written about FCCN.
But it's true and I guess the man just got frustrated with people asking him, but when you promise something you should deliver or have a good explanation and NOT berate the people who are calling you on it. It's his job to do IR and listen to us and explain this stuff.
Just go back and read Todd's post. He was told by Andrew that the 10K was DEFINITELY coming today. And it might come today. Hopefully it will come today. But the man told me "I don't care."
Perhaps he just cracked under the pressure of the days' events. Regardless, I'm sharing what happened.
Now go ahead and bash me all you like. I am not the type to relentlessly bash. I had good things to say and now something negative happened. I've said my peace and I'm done with it.
And somehow that explanation is NOT manipulation?
And how can that be legal? Where is the order in that?
My point is that the PPS is being manipulated by the MMs. It's just going back to an earlier argument.
I wasn't pumping. I had been pumped and brought it back here. That's the way I see it now. I was told without any reservations that the 10 K was guaranteed today.
It might even turn up today. But that doesn't make me feel like I haven't just been slapped in the face.
A total defense to a defamation suit is the truth.
Have a look at my prior posts about speaking with Andrew. I touted him as the best IR guy I had ever come across. But today he changed. End of story.
I'm not saying it's a scam, I'm just saying that Andrew turned into something different today. He turned into a BS artist from what I thought was a straight up guy.
Go back and read my posts regarding my conversations with him.
When an IR guy tells you "I don't care" and goes about twisting what he said before, then you have to wonder what the f**k is going on.
All I know is this, there's a good reason the PPS is low now. Because a deal isn't a deal until it's a deal.
I didn't get out of my position, but I don't feel comfortable in it right now either.
Just spoke to Andrew IR...
Many of you know that I have said only good things about Andrew at Gemini IR. Glowing good things. Well, let me retract all of that right now.
I called him out on whether the 10K would be filed today and he told me that was up to management. I then told him that I thought by not getting it filed today the company would lose alot of respect. He then tried to retract having told anybody that the 10K would definitely be out today.
I told him that he and I both knew that was not accurate. I took notes on my conversation with him and I he told me as well as others that it would certainly be out today.
As he tried to retract that, and I kept explaining to him that it's not a matter so much of the content but rather the perception of being strung along and he laughed and I then said, "You really don't care."
And he said, "You're right. I don't care."
I replied, well "I'll tell the Ihub board what you said." And he said, "Go right ahead. Please do."
Man was I fooled this time. Perhaps the merger will go through and the price will rise. But I've lost all faith in FCCN and Andrew at Gemini IR.
I'll be looking to sell the next uptick.
Every damn Pink or BB company I've invested in has turned out to be crap.