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shank - "Like Faessel's view is balanced?"
The difference is that Faessel's writing is based in fact. There is a difference between putting a positive or negative spin on information and deliberately misleading readers by false comparisons, mischaracterizations, and misrepresentations.
"Silence" uses things like false comparisons (i.e. the power bracelet & nicotine) to generate FUD. Notice how he says "CIGX is simply testing for stuff that they already know to be true." He totally ignores the fact that it is Johns Hopkins doing the testing and bases that sentence on the false premise that they were testing smoking/nicotine, not anatabine.
He then launches into a long diatribe about the potential for EnVivo's possible new drug for alzheimers as competition for anatabine, totally ignoring the fact that they still have to find a partner, design phase 3 trials, get FDA approval for those trials, complete the trials, and then if those trials are positive, try to get FDA approval to market the drug. How many years is that? If the Roskamp studies indicate that anatabine works, you can just stop by GNC on your way home. (BTW - If anatabine doesn't work for alzheimers, c'est la vie. There are a lot more bullets in the gun.)
Finally, he continues to try to ignore and dismiss the involvement of Johns Hopkins with this statement. "My guess is it is simply more of the same snake-oil that Johnnie Williams and company has been peddling since the company began." What he actually did with this statement was to slander Johns Hopkins and the doctors who did the study by saying that they are participating in a fraud.
And what "snake oil" is it that "Johnnie Williams" has been "peddling since the company began"? The patents that they have been fighting about with RJR for over a decade have now been ruled valid. So how is trying to protect your IP "snake oil"? I would think that the CAFC and the USPTO rulings settled any possible question of Star Scientific's legitimacy, past or present.
Could it be that "silence" or "ski" is so negatively biased that he doesn't realize what he's doing? Maybe, but I doubt it.
"...and seems to be openly hostile towards Star for whatever reason."
He posted on IHub a couple of weeks ago as skiguy28 or something very similiar. After being called on it, he admitted to being silence_twain on SeekingAlpha.
This was found by WhoB007 on IV.
"GNC Seen Posting Healthy 33% EPS Gain On New Products
Jul 23 2012
By GILLIAN RICH, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY"
I wonder how much of that "33% EPS Gain" was due to Anatabloc?
http://news.investors.com/article/619137/201207241024/gnc-second-quarter-seen-rising-on-new-products.htm
@Leif - I agree with you. Sandiegodude2000 had a good post on this topic on IV.
"Star is taking the long view on pricing. (See my previous post). A company does not start out selling its product at $19.99, then raise the price over time as more people buy it. They'd end up losing whatever customer loyalty they had developed along the way. The only 'company' that can start out selling cheap, then later on selling high, are drug dealers who use the low pricing to hook their customers. There may be some Anatabloc addicts out there already, but certainly not enough to sustain such a pricing model.
It's all about finding the pricing sweet spot after the company has stimulated demand through various means. Over time, as more and more people use Anatabloc, you'll see ASP's come down. As with any product (such as iPhones, iPads, etc)."
@Detonate - I don't think your post is negative at all and thank you for the effort. I just hope that you will find a way to push your findings up the GNC ladder.
I am so encouraged by the active engagement and support of so many shareholders of this company. I spent 10 years running a university based business consulting organization and I have seen this happen in many closely held companies. But to see this level of participation from the shareholders in a publicly traded company is simply amazing. It sounds corny to say, but I think we are involved in something really special.
By reversal, are you talking about reversing Allen's buy recommendation or reversing the current downward trend?
I thought you were switching to the unflavored and was concerned that you had already tried the unflavored and it did not alleviate the problem. However, I just looked back thru the posts and realized that you probably have not had time to acquire the unflavored much less test it.
I should have refreshed my memory before posting. Confusion is one of the results that occur when you get in a hurry. Mea culpa...
I think that the unflavored without the sucralose will help. Good luck.
Goodbuddy - "My back pain is receding after just 3 days of taking only one frozen mint flavored swallowed whole ...tablet per day of Anatabloc."
Why "only one"? The response is dose dependent. So why not go ahead and take at least the recommended minimum of 3 per day or even the recommended maximum of 6 per day?
Thanks to wonder_wench on Yahoo...
"These peer-reviewed journals lead the field in providing in-depth information on cutting-edge issues in all facets of endocrinology."
http://www.endo-society.org/journals/
If this is correct, it means that our product (anatabine) now has TWO peer-reviewed publications to it's credit.
Endocrinology Update...
This is good! Thanks to mad_1957 and nfkappabee on Yahoo for this information.
http://endo.endojournals.org/content/early/2012/07/17/en.2012-1452.abstract
About the journal...
Endocrinology, the Society's oldest journal, has defined the science of endocrinology for most of the twentieth century. One of the most authoritative biomedical research journals in the world, it publishes 6,000 pages annually of the highest quality original work ranging from subcellular mechanisms to whole animal physiology. Topics include bone and mineral; growth factors; reproductive/steroids; neuroendocrinology/signal transduction; thyroid; and physiology. The low manuscript acceptance rate of 30% reflects the degree to which it is committed to the highest scientific standard. In the 2009 Thomson Reuters Journal Citation Report, Endocrinology received a 5-Year Impact Factor of 5.103. Published monthly.
I believe the sentence in bold is a VERY good indication of the significance of Johns Hopkins work with anatabine.
shank - "Do you know if it contains xylitol?"
Xylitol is not listed as an ingredient on the label of my bottle.
The "Unflavored" is available from the GNC website so I would assume that the stores can get it as well. If your GNC is not stocking it yet, I bet they would order it and have it shipped directly to you with no shipping charges. When my local GNC was out of stock, they offered to do that.
I think you are correct. One of the problems with Alzheimers is the difficulty in obtaining a definitive diagnosis.
Assuming that the ongoing Roskamp human study confirms their previous results in the mouse model, there will now be a way to treat Alzheimers (Anatabloc) and a way to monitor the treatment's effectiveness.
People might take Anatabloc as preventative that they may not need. But they WILL take Anatabloc if the doctor says, "The PET Scan shows that you definately have Alzheimer's plaque forming in your brain. Anatabloc has been proven to help."
Atlanta - "NJ - do you know what this is: beta amyloid plaque. If you do, do you know if Anatabloc has any potential in this area?"
I'm not NJ, but I think I know the answer to your question. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will be glad to correct me.
I believe that this was the subject of the peer reviewed study done by Roskamp. Beta amyloid plaque is present in the brains of Alzheimers patients and the study shows that anatabine inhibits it's formation both in-vitro and in-vivo (mouse model). Roskamp has approval for a human study which may already be underway. In any event they are apparently still recruiting volunteers.
However, it has been postulated that they will begin the study with each subject once each is enrolled. There is no obvious reason why the study would have to begin with all subjects at the same time. Therefore, it is probable that the study is already underway.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21958873
In the abstract above, Aß stands for amyloid beta.
skiguy28 - "The only thing I find interesting in your post is that based on the words used and the writing style, I am now 90% sure you are Patrick Cox."
And I am 90% sure you are silence_twain. I'm 70% sure you're also Adam Feuerstein which leaves a 30% chance that you're Martin Shkreli.
skiguy28 -
1. "...It is the fundamentals which are being debated by the bears and the bulls, not what the chart looks like."
My mistake. I thought it was the future price action that was being debated. How foolish of me...
skiguy28 -
2. "When I said celebrity endorsements mean nothing I was referring to how a celebrity can be tricked into thinking something is working when there is no real science behind the product. ...I always liked Fred Couples and I am glad that he is being paid to endorse the product."
Most celebrity endorsements occur because a company went searching for "a" celebrity to endorse their product. In this case, Fred Couples approached Star AFTER he tried the product and was convinced that it WORKS! BIG difference.
skiguy28 -
3. "I am going to talk about the patent validity in a way you might understand. Let's say you have a patent on a square tire and you sue Goodyear. Goodyear comes to court asks for your square tire patent to be re-examined. While that is going on, a jury finds that even if the square tire patent is upheld, Goodyear did not infringe because Goodyear sells a round tire. That is what you have here. Reynolds asked for the patents to be re-examined. They were and they were upheld. That is great. The only problem is that it has also been ruled that Reynolds did not infringe on the patents if valid. What good is a valid patent if someone does not infringe on it? The Supreme Court holding up the patents means nothing because it was ruled that Reynolds did not infringe if they were valid."
What a ridiculous comparison. Justhinkin did a very good job of illuminating your flawed analysis on this topic in his responses to your comments on seekingalpha at the website hyperlinked below.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/671331-star-scientific-is-on-a-run-who-s-buying-and-who-s-selling
skiguy28 -
4. "I remember a few years back when everyone was so convinced that Reynolds would lose to Star and when Star lost the stock dropped below $2. It had been above $5 recently before then and then dropped like a stone. The bulls seem to have placed a lot of faith that this mediation will result in hundreds of millions of dollars. If it does not, under $2 might be just around the corner."
Yes, we are perfectly aware that you and your friends will say or do whatever you think you can get away with to protect your short position. We still remember the false delisting story that you or one of your friends planted with Bloomberg when Star went over $5. And as I told you previously, "If the price drops because of another court decision, I'll buy more stock."
http://seekingalpha.com/article/671331-star-scientific-is-on-a-run-who-s-buying-and-who-s-selling
skiguy28 -
"5. It is nice that Johns Hopkins is looking into the product, but that means very little."
Really? I guess we will know when the results of the human study for thyroid disease, currently being conducted by Johns Hopkins, are released. It makes no sense that such highly reputed medical professionals would put their reputations on the line, with repeated presentations at high profile venues, for a "food supplement". Unless of course, they are already confident that it will work in humans. Oh that's right! They HAVE already seen it work in at least one human subject. Maybe they are not risking their reputations after all?
skiguy28 -
"Numerous small drug companies (note Anatabloc is an OTC dietary supplement not an FDA approved drug, but I need to use drug companies as an example) have a drug that gets through phase 1 and phase 2, but their stock gets wiped out when the drug gets to phase 3 testing and fails. Large companies have drug trials that fail as well. It is not that these companies are running a scam, it is just that what they thought would materialize does not."
From what you say, I guess it's a good thing Anatabine is "just" a food supplement. No matter what happens with any of the many studies underway, Anatabloc is already on the market and will continue to be sold. And when those studies are positive, the public will not have to wait for a bunch of FDA red tape to start taking it.
Every study on anatabine for which the results have been announced has been TREMENDOUSLY positive! Results documented so far include: reduced plaque formation in alzheimers, "dramatically" reduced rate of paralysis in MS, reduced C-Reactive Protein levels, and of course the statement by Dr. Ladenson that anatabine is the only known substance to stop thyroiditis. So far, the only human study was the CRP study. The rest were animal studies. But human studies are now approved and underway, including the "Flint" study for which a Michigan TV station has provided us a preview. The publication of results from any one of the on-going studies could be the catalyst that sparks major network coverage of this major medical breakthrough.
skiguy28 -
"The reason I think that Anatabloc is more scam than science is because of the history of the company behind it."
As I stated previously, there is already more than enough scientific evidence available to belie your statement. Only someone who's shorting this stock could ignore all the evidence and claim to believe "Anatabloc is more scam than science."
skiguy28 -
"You will forgive me for not being swayed by numerous anonymous testimonials that could be posted by anyone or even the same person under various user names."
I know this is not the case because of my own experience with Anatabloc. I thank the Lord that he gave me a decades long malady that responded quickly (and quite unexpectedly) to Anatabloc. Because of that, I believe that I have an advantage over many in the investment community (like you) who apparently don't believe it works.
skiguy28 -
"The reason that Anatabloc is an OTC dietary supplement and getting FDA approval is not being discussed is because I believe Star knows it would never hold up under the scrutiny of FDA required testing."
This is total BS. The FDA determined the "category" for anatabine. The FDA determined it was a food supplement.
Anatabloc works! And a significant percentage of those who try it will believe and many of those will invest - just like I did. If you're smart, you'll cover while you can.
200+K dump in a low volume environment. The dump was more than the total previous volume all morning.
I guess that this short manipulation will solve itself in time. But I find myself wishing that CIGX would hire that lawyer who's working for Overstock.com. Perhaps that would slow these criminals down a bit...
Hi NJ and thanks for your efforts to educate and illuminate the potential for Anatabloc and CIGX.
You referred to the Fred Couples TV commercial as "being rumored on Yahoo". The TV commercial is not a rumor. The info regarding Fred Couples and the TV commercial came from the May 31st, 2012 PR. It said, "Also, Rock Creek is preparing a national television commercial featuring Fred Couples that it anticipates will begin airing this summer."
http://www.starscientific.com/news/press-releases/
Thank you!
caerus - "EDGX still all over the ask, i think hes shorting. once hes done selling its time to buy!"
Where are you getting the information on EDGX? Is it a subscription or something provided by your broker?
"We had a bet. Billy Ray said that he didn't think we could get rich and put you in the poor house at the same time. I won!" "Yes you did Louis, and here's your dollar."
Dan Ackroid and Eddie Murphy... Great movie!
Item 1. Someone has apparently been accumulating CIGX.
Item 2. It also appears that sales of Anatabloc may be ramping up rapidly at GNC.
So if you are a GNC insider who knows how popular Anatabloc is and how fast sales are growing, do you buy more GNC stock or start accumulating CIGX? In their shoes, I think I would be accumulating CIGX. Of course that assumes Anatabloc sales at GNC really are that good...
Freddie Couples on Anatabloc - “I went to Germany for some shots, and it worked miracles,” said Couples, who lives in La Quinta, Calif. “Now they give those shots in Los Angeles. I just had a couple of shots last week in L.A. And the only (medication) I’m taking now is Anatabloc (a dietary supplement). I’m a big believer in the stuff.”
http://www.timesonline.com/sports/local_sports/ready-freddie-defending-champ-couples-is-back-at-it/article_6ba7f28b-fa22-54b0-aa51-52c4cba0a1bb.html
I agree that we are overdue for a PR. This is the longest gap between PRs since January 11th.
China is a problem for any company with intellectual property. However in most of the western world, governments do try to prevent the sale of products manufactured in China (or anywhere else) that violate legitimate IP. My take is that Star will face the same IP challenges as any other company.
I'm looking like a genius. In April, I bought some $5 Aug calls for a nickel. Then in May, I bought some $4.50 Aug calls for a dime!
Forget that genius part. I'm a fool! I should have bought more!
50 bottle or 50 case?
Hi NJ. I do not see the 50 case option on the wholesale website. Do you know what the price per bottle is at that quantity? Thanks!
"AlphaFlex" is NOT competition for Anatabloc. They are entirely different products. AlphaFlex is just your typical supplement playing up "Omega-5" fatty acid (think glorified fish oil). The verbiage below is from their website:
"The active ingredients in AlphaFlex are Omega-5 (an anti-inflammatory fatty acid ester), a few natural key enzymes like manganese aspartate, D-calcium panothenic acid, zinc aspartate, chelated copper and boron citrate, along with a patented form of black pepper and capsaicin. All of the ingredients found in AlphaFlex are anabolic nutrients and actively participate in our body's process of repair and growth (Anabolism)."
It goes on to say that it "promotes wellness by providing the body with nutrients that support the body's efforts to heal its self and lessen the minor aches and pains of life."
Anyone willing to compare this to Anatabloc has not experienced Anatabloc.
I guess it's a technicality, but exactly which case did they officially join? Did they all join Star II? The case # of the one pdf on the yahoo private group is Case 8:01-cv-01504-MJG.
Duh.. Thanks for the reply - and the patience.
Star has not issued a PR on these new attorneys, so how did you find out? Just curious...
Hi persyst. FYI - The imitator who added an "s" to your moniker is posting up a storm on Yahoo. And his view messages link brings up your posts.
Hi Virgo, I believe that you were ordering a CD of Dr. Ladenson's presentation at AACE. Has it come in? I am willing to share the cost.