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Totally agree.
We still have a percentage in TFN. I think the mail from burger confirmed that. No reason to panik.
Please explain me how it works then.
You got an email with a document attached saying that you sent in x amount of certs and they guarantee you 0.02 per share.
Is that how it worked?
So the document is not signed by anyone. Is that correct?
So you own PDRs and you are worried? Finally someone of the 'PDR owners' with some doubts. It suprises me that all these PDR olders are not the slightest bit worried and keep on defending the company. Even after 6 (or more) months of not seeing anything.
I would be worried too. I read that hotstocks suggested to pick up is money in person and he was not allowed. And still everyone has complete faith in this company.
So you are not aware of any signed guarantee? That is also good to know. I asked this too some people, but I did not get a clear answer. So the guarantee is only in the PR is seems.
Hope that you didn't loose too much here. Good luck!
I agree that pinkies usually don't provide audited numbers. But pinkies usually also don't have numbers like PNMS has. Companies with such numbers move away from the pinks. They start filing with the SEC and move to OTCBB and AMEX while they buy some of the O/S back. They would probably spend some dollars on an audit with a respected audit company.
Would you not agree that if PNMS did exactly that (SEC filings, buy-back and move to OTCBB for a start, an audit afterwards) the share price would be at least a 100 times higher? But for some reason they don't....
Instead they give you excuses about why they can not be audited. And we all now those arguments are untrue... another reason to think twice here.
unfortunately, huge numbers posted on some website without any proof don't make a lot of difference, huge or not. I can post huge numbers on my website and then dump some of my stocks on you.
Reopening of the exchange also won't matter as long as people can not sell (who will buy for 0.01 if you can get the same for 0.0004?) and get their money back off the exchange.
Quite some things todo it seems...
That is the same as saying: this would really run if it turns out not to be a scam after all. I totally agree with that! Boy, would this run! Based on the fins it could be over 0.1!! Unfortunately it will never happen. Good luck!
In my opinion the fins are worth sh*** as they are not even published on pinksheets.com anymore. It is just a document on a website. As to how they make money: I think I have seen the explanation multiple times, but I forgot... doesn't really matter. Sounded too complex.
We think indeed that the value is in the exchange... That is also what we all think they are working on. However, in a couple of days they will announce another record Q, with 50 million made or so... and there is no-one that has even the slightest clue as how they make the money.
thanks ... so not huge, but another step in the good direction and another step towards a US carrier
nope, I considered it, but after I saw that you could not get any money off the exchange I did not go ahead with converting...
Post on a blog are not "News". Mails or phone conversations from someone of the company are also not "News". Posts on a message board are also not "News".
As a shareholder, all I do is read PRs from the company or look at the SEC or pink sheet filings. That is where I get "News" from. As far as I can tell they are not even providing financials for this company as they are not posted on pinksheets.com.
Glad we can at least agree on that
I'm pretty confident about the TFN part, the real question is: is it huge? What is this hulu stuff? Is it US cable provider? How many customers?
yeppers... even on scams you can make money. I was able to sell last week for 0.0006, but not with profit... good luck!
20% I'm sure you mean... There was only one very small trade at 0.0004 until now, so I can never believe you have those. And even if you have, it was a very small package
same here... hoping!
I can't believe that Sandy just screwed us all. I refuse to believe that for now. But maybe that is just denial.
Lets go for an after hours shareholder letter.
Nope, BKMP own the money...so "we" own it
because we have no clue what we currently own.... be it money or TFN or both... we have no clue how much and what it is worth. Also we have a pretty large amount of shares... that might also explain the flatline.
I see... but if Garrow was bought out, then also BKMP has been bought out. And as they both were involved from the beginning, I would expect that they did not give away their shares for nothing.
Of course, but he should be still a shareholder of TFNG... he had like 80% of the shares. And he is not listed in the doc...
Also note that you don't see Mike Garrow on the chart. He owned like almost all of the rest of TFN.
at least there is no sell-off it seems: 0 volume.
me too .... but if BKMP got a billion for its shares... that is fine too!
don't know... but give it some time. I can't believe that we are left with nothing. If that would be the case, we are scammed, and not in a very subtle way. Sandy could never do something like that without going to jail or he should be in the bahamas by now... together with wise and webprots
guys, chill... either BKMP has shares in TFNG or Manheim, or we have money instead... I'm just wondering how much.
If we don't have a percentage in something, Sandy has gotten money in return. That is what they call a buyout. So it could be we own money instead of shares now.
today has to be the day as it is the last day of this week!
Finally we are going to be rich.
he was quoting hotstocks.... without doing the slash i thing
Are we still this week?
Thanks ... I was worried there for a second. Glad to hear they told you they aren't scamming us.
just wondering: when you sent in your certs, did you receive some kind of contract, signed by MT, confirming the guarantee?
I'm ready too, so who are we waiting for?
you have 2 options: sell and get 0.0005 or convert to PDRs and get nothing.
It looks like we're not starting yet:
For the next thirty days, the site will only grant access to review data.
If they are scammers......they are the worst in history! LOL
Actually they could be the best in history: they took scamming to the next level: They just asked people to send in their money! And people did it...
Sorry...but it looks they have succeeded in rewarding the faithful and sqeezing out the scam sayers all in one move.....brilliant statagy....Check Mate! LOL
Guess that you could also see it as: they have scammed those that are easy to scam, who blindly obeyed without requesting any proof and gave up on the others...
We will soon know a lot more. I hope that you are right btw, but allow me to stay skeptic until I actually see money coming back.
Supported them? To me it still looks like a scam, so I would first like to see somebody getting money off the exchange before I would consider joining it.
Also: I don't care that much. If the exchange would be working and people could get money on and from it, the share price on the exchange would be the same as the one on the US market: I would not have to convert...
It doesn't really matter how nice it all looks or whether they have back-end management or not. What matters is: can you get your money off.
That's all that matters and it was the only thing that mattered for the past 7 months.
I remember MT saying: watch the exchange for a while, see if you like it and then you can still decide to convert or not. Well: there was nothing to see, so I guess not a lot of people converted.
the only reason why it didn't work was because people could not get any money off it. Desimplex had nothing to do with that. Whatever they delivered did not look very sexy, but it did work.
7 months? Agreed, but the thing never worked. So only people with blind faith have PDRs now...
Do I get it correct that we can not convert anymore? (last time it seemed you could not convert through Dallas; but you could still convert... now it seems you can not at all anymore, besides some exceptions...)