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owd3, Musicmatch at this time has drivers for the old clunky Nomad Jukebox and flash-based Nomads, not the Zen or Zen NX.
http://www.musicmatch.com/info/plug-ins/?plugin=player&version=6.0&os=pc
I still maintain that they are dragging their feet to confound a certain female (?) basher. They don't need a CFO to file with the SEC.
"it's (sic) goal"???
OTOH...
"Personal digital entertainment (PDE) revenue should increase (for the Christmas season), but by what quantum, I can't say now... Creative will also try to sell its products under corporate customers' brand names - a strategy which until August it had declined to do. He didn't elaborate on specific corporate orders where it has dropped its own brand name. "I can do these kind of products for anybody," Sim said."
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030911/0230000066_2.html
Re Creative manufacturing an EDIG design for Dell to retail, IMHO it is unlikely for two reasons:
1) I can't see CREAF giving Dell first rights to a new design (which the DJ obviously is).
2) CREAF is not a billion dollar company ( http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=CREAF )
Hit your refresh button, Trend. When I load it, it says they aren't hiring.
lickily, the source for the seems quote was http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/4533.cfm
Try this link; can't get the "b1_44.jpg" link to open: http://www.chaosmint.com/macintosh/articles/dell-dj-digital-jukebox-h.shtml OOPS - seems to work now.
FWIW re red X:
Many websites (including this one) display a red X as a substitute image when the actual image's file location is invalid.
I'd be happy if the PPS would stop moving in circles.
Ray, I suppose that could fit into the "other wireless projects" supposedly underway at EDIG. Que sera sera.
Also, FWIW, the Zen and Zen NX use Creative PlayCenter 3 PC software, not MusicMatch. And it would take some major industrial design work rather than simple rebranding to make the Zen look like the Dell JB:
versus
A contrast to the SJM article:
Dell: No Plans To Give Singapore's Creative New Contract
Thursday August 14, 12:48 am ET
SINGAPORE -(Dow Jones)- Dell Inc. (NasdaqNM:DELL - News) Friday dispelled market speculation it was about to award a new contract to Creative Technology Ltd. to supply computer-related products.
"There is no specific plan apart from the current partnership that we already have," Dell spokeswoman Judy Low told Dow Jones Newswires. Analysts say Dell already sources soundcards from Creative for some of its desktop computer products.
"If there is something concrete," Dell will announce it, Low added.
There had been speculation Creative would win additional contracts to supply more products, such as speakers, to the U.S. company, lifting Creative's stock 9.3% higher Thursday. The stock was down 0.6%, or 10 cents, at S$16.40 Friday ( US$1=S$1.7480).
Sound cards, which enhance the audio quality in computers, and speakers, comprised about half of Creative's fourth quarter revenue of US$149.6 million.
versus
"Dell will most likely use now-launched MusicMatch Jukebox as the Dell re-branded frontend to its own music store and its first digital music player seems to be re-branded version of Creative's portable MP3 player."
versus
"This is their way of putting a stake in the ground in the mass consumer market,” said Tim Bajarin, president of research firm Creative Strategies." ( http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-9-2003_pg6_3 )
http://www.creativestrategies.com/whoweare.htm
As best I can tell, the folks at Apple are the only ones claiming that Dell is rebranding a Creative JB... "It appears that Dell is re-branding one of the second-tier music services that will be announced soon, just like they are re-branding Creative's MP3 player. There is little original here," Apple's statement said." ( http://www.macobserver.com/columns/thebackpage/2003/20030929.shtml )
Time will tell.
PressESC, the Nomad Zen does WMA and MP3.
OT to Milplease:
But he was a she
She said Heybrad.
take a walk on the wild side?
The difference between industrial design and the player's internal workings has previously been discussed ad nauseum. Suffice to say that Digitalway has no rights to the core electronic design of the O 1000 platform, IMHO. Should EDIG choose to market a new 1.8" drive player, I seriously doubt that Digitalway would share in any licensing revenues unless the new OEM finds some feature of the industrial design that they can't emulate by means other than that chosen by Digitalway.
Actually, Oz, it seems more a case of misreading the leaders.
Cass, comprehend THIS:
"Yesterday Apple unveiled their new music service, “The Apple iTunes Store” with the traditional hype and fanfare. Apple is using the Advanced Audio Codec (AAC) format at 128kbps."
http://www.phataudio.org/article.php?sid=134
Furthermore, 128KBPS is the most commonly used MP3 encoding rate, since it represents the best compromise between quality and capacity.
As a design house, EDIG targeted the MP3 player market and has successfully licensed their designs to Bang & Olufsen, Digitalway, EMI Global, and a yet to be named major CE manufacturer. It also appears that their design for an innovative IFE appliance is headed for success, since the 9th largest American airline has committed to funding and employing it. As far as financial success, positive cash flow has not yet been achieved, but that didn't stop Cassandra from proclaiming Sigmatel as successful. (Although, to be fair, she was apparently unaware that Sigmatel is losing money at a rate 5 times greater than EDIG.)
How do you define 'successful'? According to the following, we are actually losing less money than SGTL:
"For the first six months of this year, the company's net income was $150,000, compared with a year- earlier net loss of $7.5 million... Those net income figures, however, don't include the impact of dividends paid on preferred stock. Including those payments, SigmaTel would have reported a loss of $8.1 million in the first half of the year, wider than a loss of $7.7 million in 2002. ( http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030919/1121000470_1.html ) Statistically, our losses (including preferred stock considerations) were cut from $3,910,000 for just the last 6 mos of 2002 to $1,519,000 in the first 6 mos of 2003. Whatever we're doing, we seem to be doing it far more successfully than SGTL.
Cass, you aren't striving very hard to be accurate The D Major product is a chip... here's the brochure: http://www.sigmatel.com/audio/audio-decoder-br.htm
Sigmatel is a fabless chip manufacturer; EDIG has never targeted that market.
I might be wrong, but I suspect that the board would rather see lower levels of fallacy when perusing your posts. I, for one, seek the truth elsewhere.
Wrong again, Cass. Here's the referenced premise: "According to another poster who supposedly spoke to RP, the so-called "encryption" is simply DivX encoding (posted on Agora a few days ago). #msg-1462580
The e-mail and linked PR are all the proof I need that your premise is wrong.
Thank you for your e-mail, XXXX. The proprietary encryption and hardware Mr. Anandpura referred to in his quote is e.Digital's.
Best regards,
Robert Putnam
Senior Vice President
See also http://www.edig.com/news/releases/pr091003.html
Sorry to prove your premise wrong.
Nope, you're the backwards one. Read the basher's message first. ( #msg-1463471 ) He, not Johnny, is the one that claimed "e.Digital is a contract manufacturer, plain-and-simple." Furthermore, Johnny said "Why would Digitalway be interested in using e.Digital as a contract manufacturer?" which in no way implies that Digitalway indeed uses e.Digital as a contract manufacturer. You really need to start reading things more closely and striving to comprehend them more fully.
For me to educate you in the mechanisms of file management and how various file managers and operating systems can or cannot interact would take far more space than is available here. Everyone here that understands even the rudiments of the above knows that what I say is true. If you call EDIG and ask someone in engineering about it, you'll know too.
BTW, had a chance to reread that 10K yet? (My quote came from page 11, 3rd full paragraph.)
Photo and article re the Samsung/Napster player (sorry if a repost):
Samsung develops MP3 player for Napster / September 17, 2003
By Martyn Williams
Samsung is working with Roxio to develop a line of portable audio players that will carry the brand names of both Samsung and Roxio's Napster service, the two companies said on Tuesday.
The first results from the partnership are expected later this year when a portable audio player is launched to coincide with the start of the Napster 2.0 service, the two companies said in a statement. Far from its roots as a centre for the trade of audio files, the second-generation service will allow people to purchase and download music from a catalogue of 500,000 songs, according to Roxio. The company is working with the five major record companies to operate the service.
The two companies didn't offer any more details of the planned players. However, on Monday a Samsung-manufactured player received approval from the US Government’s Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Along with an approval notice the FCC published pictures of the device and the preliminary user manual, which carries the Napster 2.0 logo.
The Samsung Napster YP-910 Player, includes a 20GB hard-disk drive, according to the user manual published by the FCC. The capacity is enough space to store around 5,000 average length MP3 files. That puts it on par storage-wise with mid-range Apple iPod and Creative’s mid-range Nomad Zen NX – and a third of the largest so far, Creative’s 60GB Nomad Zen.
It measures 108-x-70-x-20mm, which is roughly in-line with competing players albeit a little on the thick side, but beats both Toshiba and Apple by a long way when it comes to weight. The player weighs 60g, according to the preliminary specifications. If they are correct that makes it less than half the weight of the iPod or Zen NX, and a quarter that of the 60GB Zen.
Other features include support for both MP3 and WMA files, a USB port, and FM radio and an FM transmitter that means you can listen to songs wirelessly through an FM radio. It is this latter feature for which FCC regulatory approval was necessary.
It also includes a rechargable battery that provides enough power for up to 10 hours use, and a recording function that can be used to record from the built-in FM radio or an external device, such as a CD player, to an MP3 file, the manual said.
UK pricing and availability have yet to be announced.
Samsung, www.samsungelectronics.co.uk
Comment on this story, www.digitmag.co.uk/forums
http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/display_news.cfm?NewsID=3225
(Kudos to deBeer at Agora for finding the link)
Yup (Although FAT file blocks may also be non-contiguous, their locations are tracked by the FAT, which is not present in MOS.)
Basher, the simple fact that MOS allocates disk storage in a proprietary manner rather than by the standard (at least for DOS/Windows systems) file allocation tables ensures that only devices utilizing MOS can retrieve the data in sensible form.
Your DD is flawed, Cassandra. The following is a direct quote from the latest 10K:
"Our MicroOS™ is a low-level, real time operating system designed to transparently manage the difficulties of writing, reading, and editing data on Flash or related memory. It serves as system software to manage all operations in handheld devices using either removable or embedded Flash (or related media) for data storage. MicroOSTM is compatible with virtually all types of portable storage memory as well as other standard Integrated Drive Electronics ("IDE") drives. MicroOSTM facilitates advanced functionality, ease of use, flexibility, and reliable performance in products and supports all types of data files including voice, text, images, video and/or music."
Contrast the above with your bogus assertion that "the SEC filings make no mention of any operating systems available for license."
The Odyssey 1000 CONTAINS the MOS code that allows it to function transparently as an external drive. Were you to pull the drive out of the O1000 and plug it into a laptop, it would not be recognized as a drive. You really shouldn't venture too far into technological issues; it is obviously not your forte.
As you said in the referenced post #msg-1372863 : "The patent was filed 7 1/2 years ago and was simply a different way to write to flash memory (which could be expanded to other types of non-volatile storage such as hard drives)." The 'different way' (MOS) of writing to flash or hard drives also means that a different means of reading is required to retrieve the data (not my claim; it's right there in the patent). So even your limited grasp of MOS is sufficient to verify my claim that non-MOS systems (Windows, DOS, UNIX, Linux, etc.) are unable to read data stored via MOS. End of discussion.
I need not prove anything to you. Study the patents (or call EDIG) if you want confirmation.
The content encryption is not "simply DivX encoding", since it is common knowledge that the device uses MOS file management. As I have often pointed out, files stored via MOS cannot be read by non-MOS operating systems. So, even if someone were to steal a fully loaded device (after buying a ticket and surrendering their credit card info), they would still have to obtain the MOS software in order to copy the file's data in usable form. Since the MOS code is very hard to come by (you can't get it from the device due to the FPGA chip's security), theft might prove to be more trouble than it's worth.
OT: Iolani, a correction re M-L... they charge the greater of $1500 or 2% on acc'ts up to $1 million. 1.5% on $1-5 million.
OT: Merrill Lynch offers 300 trades a year for a flat fee of $1500 or 10% of your account balance, whichever is larger. Absolutely no complaints here on their services.
With respect to the starting point of this discussion ( http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1445904 ), I feel that your contention has been sufficiently debunked. As to whether I mistakenly assumed that Dway had consummated its IPO plans or perhaps just keyed in 'cap' instead of 'share', the truth (like so many other things) will remain a mystery to you. **End of thread**
It is very unrealistic to believe that APS is only paying for the use of MOS. Last time I checked, MOS was a file management system. It takes a bit more than that to make a functioning video player. And don't try to claim that Digitalway's industrial design took care of the rest. That'd just make you look sillier from a technical perspective.
"Digitalway has proved that profits need not be sacrificed at the altar of rapid market expansion. The company expects to report net earnings of $4 million on sales of $41 million in 2002, vs. $1.6 million profits on $24.4 million in revenues last year." ( http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_27/b3790619.htm )
Cass, unless Digitalway achieves an annual growth rate of almost 25,000% in earnings or 2,500% in sales, it ain't in the billion dollar league. It seems that you're the bluffer here, not me. Of course, 2003 isn't over yet. I trust that you'll give me a heads up if Digitalway surprises on earnings or sales.