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there was no war to be fought in the first place. the point wasnt to end monster moto but was to make them pay for patent infringment etc. motovox simply made them pay for what they did, they didnt lose anything, they simply made a wrong situation right
I never stated that cerner hasn't released any info, what I stated was that when information about the transaction is released by cerner then so will motovox, apparently that didn't happen because cerner doesn't have an release about it. information about buying the whole bannister mall campus was released, we all know that it was covered in news articles, but specific details about buying the land from motovox was not.
its going to happen my friend, nothing but forward and up from here. more news to come, great news. Go MTVX!
bravo! thats how i should have responded lol great response! definitely should be stickied because people are steal questioning why motovox didnt release info before and i have been saying this for the longest. great response!
im well aware that cerner is a publicly traded stock and i have also taken a look at their filings which last were updated on 10/24. cerner share holders knew what was going on because it was announced all over the news in missouri...thats no suprise considering how big cerner corporation is, there was no need to release prs on the event to take place because the media was already on it...the stock trades for $60 a share, go figure. with that being said, it seems that your trying to imply that motovox is keeping their share holders in the dark which is not true. in a pr they released back in july they even informed us of all the dilution coming and also the fact that they had not accurately conducted an audit and were working on catching up. nothing should be a suprise to any of us here accept for new investors and those that dont do proper due diligence before investing. details were not released until the proper time so as not to put out inaccurate data as well as to protect the transaction that has just taken place. motovox share holders knew what was going on and we were even told about a non revenues producing transaction that would take place, we just didnt know the full extent of all that would comprise of because they were still working those details out. they cant put information out to us until they have it all together, not because their hiding information.
whether cerner did a joint announcement along with motovox or not is irrelevant to any of the points you have been trying to make. it has nothing to do with the fact that an 8k was released by motovox to update share holders, as far as we know and of course everything is speculation until we have facts backed by paper work, but as far as we know there MAY have been an agreement between the two parties on when to release info on movotox's part. either that or motovox wanted to wait until they properly gathered all info to put out an accurate 8k with full details. cerner share holders already know whats going on with acquiring the 200 plus acres, us on the other hand didnt, which would be why it would make sense that only motovox would release an 8k.
wrong...again.
we are hearing about this just now like cerner corporation investors as well. theres fine print in contract sales like this one, neither party can release information until the time is proper where it wont sabotage the transaction.
I agree completely in order for me to be satisfied.
MTVX- On November 5, 2014, the Company sold its real estate holdings, consisting of two buildings located at 8844 Hillcrest Road and 8830 Hillcrest Road, Kansas City, Missouri, and tracts of land totaling 19.80 acres to Cerner for total consideration of $8,938,282.27. After paying off the existing mortgage and separating from the New Market Tax Credit transaction, the Company received net cash proceeds of $1,785,810.84.
forward motion is always a good thing, far better than standing still or moving backwards. from this action, this shows signs that motovox is definitely moving towards the green...i will be accumulating more shares. lets see how management will do with the net cash. imho, they will get it right this time. either motovox will fail or they will be a huge success yielding huge pay day for us all. either way, im willing to lose a little money to potentially cash out BIG time. at these levels its safe to buy tons of shares to play the lotto as opposed to leaving hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table. Go MTVX!
MTVX- actually i dont know that, i do know about the due diligence that i have performed and you must have information that this board hasnt seen before. if you would please provide us with documentation other than whats been presented here already, i would be glad to look over it.
MTVX- not possible. motovox is ramping up for mass production of motopeds and with all the dealers that have requests coming in, no bid status is way out of the question. if anything, the pps may stay at these levels or even reach sub pennies due to flipping at these levels but current and new share holders are accumulating shares everyday in anticipation of a turn around. motovox will take sometime in turning the pps around with all the debt and penalty fines they have to pay but every accumulating investor here is here for one thing and one thing only...the products. the products are real and consumers are buying, the only problems motovox has is problems with keeping up with demand from consumers, toxic debt from institutional investors, share dilution and penalty fees. once all of those factors are fixed, there is no limit to how far the pps will go from here. business and revenues will come in, in 2015 at huge volume...i wont begin to speculate how much in revenues but they will be moving towards the positive by end of year 2015. the big thing here is numbers, honestly i wish hype would push this one so i can cash out early but because of the market and the potential here, POSITIVE numbers are the only thing that will push this. Go MTVX.
Imho i hope he lied, more ammunition to get him removed...im not a fan of covey or a supporter what so ever but i fully support Motovox and its products and that is why im here.
MTVX- if thats the case then a complaint should be filed against cerner corporation who also has investors and is a publicly traded company...they also do not have an 8k released as of yet. like i said yesterday, one party can not disclose information when there is a contract agreement until both parties agree on a time that is proper for BOTH of them to release information. as long as you have been dealing with stocks and im sure this isnt the first time you have seen a scenario like this, there is obviously more going on behind the scenes with the two parties that is in the works of being finalized. even selling and buying a house takes more than a few weeks to close, you know this...so why would this situation be any different being that we're talking 18 acres worth of property. im sure there is alot more on motovox's end as far as getting together the 10q, the 8k as well as putting out a pr that will cover everything that has gone on since the last pr. patience is key here. anyone looking for a quick upside should take there money and go else where. Go MTVX.
can you please provide me with a break down of the source you got your information that either adds up to 22m in debt or that states that they have 22m in debt please please?
MTVX- how much debt in total does MTVX have? anyone?
the property belongs to apt motovox, i agree with you to a point but what i think you fail to understand is the contract between cerner corporation and motovox. motovox cant just release information regarding the sell until it is the appropriate time that both parties have agreed upon. cerner corporation has not released any information as far as the sell or the agreed upon amount that they would buy the property from motovox for, so how can you expect motovox to release information before they do? im sure cerner corporation doesnt have an 8k disclosing the sell and the amount paid, just as motovox doesnt, you would have to have the contract in front of you to see the agreement between the two parties...and you do not. we must be patient. the deal is completed, but now is not the proper time to disclose that information until BOTH cerner and motovox agree on a time when details can be shared with share holders of both publicly traded stocks.
MTVX- cerner which also has a stock symbol and is publicly traded didnt even pr their buying of the land on NOV 6TH or even after the ground breaking ceremony. im sure you have been involved with stocks sometime now and understand that when doing a sale such as property when it comes to stock information there are stiff agreements in the contract, information can not be released until the parties have agreed so as not to sabotage the process. when cerner releases information, so will motovox. the deal may have been completed on NOV 6th but no news would have or should have been released even until after NOV 12TH when the ground breaking ceremonies were to be had. when cerner releases news, then we should worry about when motovox will but until then we all have to be patient. all information will be disclosed by motovox at the proper time.
MTVX- no ones for sure if the 10q will be bad or good. no one has expert knowledge on what motovox has been doing or on the contracts and sales they have up to now. everyone on this board is speculating on news that isnt even up to date. no one knows what revenues will be, no one knows if share dilution is complete, no one knows if taxes and liens are already or in the process of being done. no one even knows if the borrowed funds are being used properly...no matter what anyone says on this board whether negative or positive, everything is speculation...nothing is fact based up to now. imho, the dumbest thing to do is not to try to ride the hype...its building! last year there was a stock that i rode from .05 all the way to .43 on hype alone...the company was legit but the numbers were inflated. honestly...who marries a stock?! everyone gets into stocks to make money, who really cares how the company performs as long as you make a profit? whether a company is running a legit business or not shouldnt matter, the objective should be to make money...so does it really matter about fundamentals or do you care about making a profit. imho, i like motovox and i believe that in time they will get their act together...they have no choice, but in the mean time, all that matters is making money. i believe the 10q will have some positive surprises that no one is expecting...no news is even better than good news imo, you have nothing to lose down here on playing on speculation. whether this company succeeds or fails is irrelevant to me...as long as there is a turn around and i can make money, whether motovox goes bankrupt or turns into a household name doesnt really matter to me. but i do believe that motovox will get their act together, especially if you have done your dd on the good and the horrible about the company. this is my one post for the day, im almost up for parole :) Go MTVX.
MTVX- truth be told, no one on this board knows exactly whats going on with management right now and what motovox's next move will be. all we can do is speculate, whether negative or positive. a few scenarios will unfold depending on what motovox's next move will be...either the company will continue to go down hill due to mismanaging the funds received from the cerner deal or they will manage the funds properly and a turn around will happen. no one knows the amount of money that will be paid to motovox as a result of the sell...absolutely none of us, no has read the contract between motovox and cerner except for the parties involved but either way...motovox will either receive an amount that will enable them to pay off 40% of the debt as mentioned in a pr from july OR they will receive an amount that will pay off all debt and leave funds left over for share reduction and possibly more. either scenario is good depending on if motovox will use what they have diligently. the worst case scenario...motovox will mismanage the money and not pay off debt, loans and move forward with the objectives they outlined to us in the same july pr. there are many who want to see the company fail, but they dont have any expert knowlege, all they can do is speculate and so it is the same with those praising the stock in hopes that a turn around will happen. if funds are managed properly whether all debt is paid off or just 40%, there will be a huge turn around that WILL take some time...if not, motovox is doomed. i came into this stock willing to lose money on a chance that motovox will succeed, this is a low risk high reward situation. either you win or lose, as it is with all stocks because no one has any idea what the company or the market will do. the fan base for motovox is growing daily on the consumer side, this is a good thing for share holders...but as far as management goes, everything is up to speculation no matter what anyone on this board says. i will continue to accumulate shares whether i lose money or not, i trust my dd...toxic debt and all. this is my one post for the day. keep in mind, everyone on this board is speculating, everything is opinion unless backed up by concrete facts that you can see on black and white. Go MTVX.
either there will be a serious turn around or motovox will go under...this company will either sink or swim, with all the products and potential, for me i believe its worth it to continue to accumulate shares and stick around to see what happens. two scenarios will unfold...either motovox will use the borrowed funds properly, or they will continue to spend recklessly and as far as im concerned, they havent done that since becoming a publicly traded company. they have taken on toxic debt as far as going with the wrong institutional investors, but imho, im sure if they knew how all this dilution would have unfolded to hurt investors they would have never taken the route they took, ill chock it up to first time dealing with a publicly traded stock. they fully understand that they have an investor base that fully believes in them and for as long as we have all been supporting them, im sure they would not knowingly continue to hurt us. everything we are experiencing dates back to when decisions were made to take out loans right around the same time the merger was being completed. they obviously needed help to push there products, and up to now since the merger completion, they have been working hard to meet objectives. in this press release that dates back to july, motovox addresses whats going on as of now, nothing that is happening now should be a surprise to any of us.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/apt-motovox-group-inc-shareholder-update-268279492.html
inexperience is the main reason why the pps has gone down so low, but for some one who got in late, i am very grateful for how low the pps is. i would have hated to have stood on the side line while the pps continued to rise. to you longs who have lost hope, dont. you know exactly what you own, trust in your dd and trust that the proper decisions are being made to orchestrate the biggest turn around that any stock on the otc has seen in years if ever. this is my one and only post for the day. Go MTVX.
MTVX- i actually dont mind the share dumping, it says two things imho. it says that there will be room for expansion and additional funding once all the shares are dumped by institutional investors AND that we are near the end of the share dilution for borrowed funds. in the future we dont have to worry about more common shares being issued or a forward split. mtvx will never see a r/s no matter what you hear, from the bashers. all the bashers and pumpers do is speculate, they dont have facts or dated information. as bad as the situation looks, we have more than enough money coming from the cerner land deal as well as the funds that we received via the loans...i dont trust a pumper or a basher, i treat them both the same. we are all aware that mtvx took cash in exchange for shares, those shares are near to being done with being dumped. lastly, i like the pps where it is because it does two things...it will shake the weak hands for one, especially with all this no bid talk and the bashers on the board to be real honest, and lastly i love the negativity because it allows me to continue to load at the lowest price possible. NO RETAIL INVESTOR IS GOING TO GET 1S...sorry. the 1s are being sold back to the mms and the mms are selling them to us for 2s...keep in mind, for every share sold, there is a buyer. someone is buying up these shares at 2, it could be a flipper, it could be a normal investor, or someone who knows something we all dont...you decide. last but certaily not least...apt stated that information about the cerner deal would be released once the deal is completed and when its appropriate...cerner corporation is a pretty big deal, im sure they have some very stiff guidelines in their contract deal with motovox that restricts what and when they can report back to investors. the ceremony just happend yesterday, cerner hasnt even released info regarding the ceremony or starting the building project so what that tells me is that the process is more lengthy and delicate than we think. mtvx cant just pr right away without certain things taking place...think about how big of a deal it is for cerner to buy out the whole banister campus as well as the land motovox is sitting on. the deal was most certainly done, why else would the recent article released yesterday report that cerner has all 290 acres? 290 acres adds up to the total amount of acreage on bannister campus INCLUDING the plot motovox is sitting on. the deal is completed but imho, news wont be released until next week, these things take time...lets be realistic. This is my one post for the day. Go MTVX.
Looks like all the dilution wasnt for nothing...the cash in hand motovox recieved is being put to use for mass prodction. With all the dealer contracts and orders coming in, they will need every penny but the revenues that are coming are going to be outrageous. Imho i actually think all the shares dumped is a good thing, we dont have to worry about a forward split or more shares being issued which would eventually bring the pps down when ever the pps does run. When the whales get a whiff of this and motopeds build more steam, this will be back to .01 in no time. All the shares dumped in time will be absored once mtvx starts making noise. Even with all the issues mtvx has, i rather lose a few thousand dollars than to run and leave money on the table. At these levels it would be ridiculous,not to play the lotto, but if you have done your homework even with all the negative, you know where this pps is going once management gets their act together. Motovox stands to make way too much money not to put money towards production and not to build investor confidence and dont forget the insiders have shares too. Im pretty sure they look to cash in once the pps gets higher building investor confidence is definitely a high priority, if they like money...and we all know they do, bashers, pumpers and realists alike. This is my one post for the day. Go MTVX.
great post...simply put and straight to the point. even with all the debt, share dilution and crappy management, mtvx is severely undervalued. imho, all it takes is debt removal and share reduction and this baby will fly to multiple pennies. the only reason we are down this far is due mostly if not entirely due to share dilution by iron ridge and panic selling. according to a past pr, this asset sell should remove 40% of the debt, i could only imagine the impact that would have for share holder confidence BUT if they are able to break even and knockout all debt or even have some funds left over, alot of share holders are going to be sick that they didnt buy at these levels when this one runs. im well aware of the risk involved with this one, imo, this is a low risk high reward scenario...im willing to lose money here...you lose pennies at this level if all else fails but if this one begins a huge upside movement as i see coming, the reward could be out of this world...lose pennies, or leave money on the table when this uptrends? ill take my chance and bet on motovox getting their act together and losing pennies over leaving serious hard cash on the table when they finally decide to make the right moves. motovox will finish up strong before the new year and great things will come in 2015. this is my one post for the day. Go MTVX.
MTVX- all imo...the products speak for themselves but the use of funds and management has been the deal breaker here. if management were to use funds properly, motovox may see a huge turn around. debt needs to be taken care of as well as other taxes and fines, but once that has been taken care of we could see something special here. no company has been this promising, the products are truly in a league of their own and if motovox does everything properly they could very well become a household name. this is my one post for the day. im still accumulating and holding shares, down here is a good level to flip but i dont want to take that chance incase the share price decides to make its march forwarded. literally, anything can happen once management gets their act together. Go MTVX.
wont be much movement in shares traded or the pps until people slap that ask and until news is released. we need numbers, we need to see debt being taking care of and the proper use of funds. 500m on the bid...everyone wants those ones and nobody is going to get them. the management has made some poor decisions which has hurt the pps devastatingly but theres still mm manipulation going on. the only ones getting ones are the mms, sadly when the pps dips to ones, other investors think that means they can bid on and possibly get ones. this one is going to take sometime, we need hard numbers and solid news. this is my one post for the day. im still going to continue to accumulate, i believe this time around management will do right by the business with the proper use of funds which in turn will reward each of us that is still holding. Go MTVX.
MTVX- Big news that we are all waiting for will soon be out. IMHO MTVX has not put out news on ther cerner deal or other information because the next pr will be a build up of everything they are doing to build and expand. it takes going into debt to borrow funds to expand a business in order to build a house hold name and MTVX will do that. with all the dd available to us, its clear that MTVX has made mistakes but now is using their resources to really build the business. with the sema show going on as we speak and the next show coming shortly afterward, i wouldnt expect a pr until after the second show which may be a few weeks from now. accumulate at these levels as many shares as you can because these price levels wont be here for long. this is my one post for the day. Go MTVX.
MTVX-2014 ROOKIE OF THE YEAR AT AIMEXPO IN ORLANDO FLORIDA. BEST BOOTH OVER 400FT AT AIMEXPO OUT OF ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES INCLUDING HONDA, KAWASAKI, YAMAHA, DUCATI AND OTHER BIG NAMES. RECENT AQCUISITION OF MOTOPEDS THAT WENT VIRAL AND SOLD OUT AFTER DOING A MILLION IN REVENUES IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF LAST YEAR. X GAMES 2004 GOLD MEDALIST CHUCK CAROTHERS IS CO-FOUNDER AND PRINCIPAL OF MOTOPEDS. TRAVIS PASTRANA LOVES THE PRODUCT AND THE MOTOPED WILL BE FEATURED IN AN UPCOMMING EPISODE OF NITRO CIRCUS AT PASTRANA LAND. APT MOTOVOX ALREADY IN TALKS WITH LEAD MILITARY CONTRACTOR ABOUT MOTOPEDS, ALSO IN TALKS WITH NASA CONCERNING SONIC FLOW ENGINE, ORDERS OVER FLOWING FOR DEMAND OF SMART CARB. OVER 26 PATENTS OWNED BY MOTOVOX. OVER 500 HUNDRED DEALERS WORLD WIDE AND NATIONALLY ARE IN TALKS WITH APT MOTOVOX, PRODUCTS IN STORES IN WALMART, SEARS, PEP BOYS, AMAZON AND MORE!!! COMPANY DOES HAVE MASSIVE DEBT BUT COMPLETION OF CERNER CORPORATION LAND SALE SHOULD ALLOW MOTOVOX TO ELIMINATE 40% OF THE DEBT AND POSSIBLY INITIATE SHARE BUY BACK OR RETIREMENT OF SHARES. SHARE DILUTION IS ALSO AN ISSUE DUE TO TAKING OUT LOANS IN PREPARATION TO EXPAND AND TO MEET DEMANDS OF CONSUMERS IN 2015. MOTOVOX ALREADY HAS PRODUCT IN STORES JUST IN TIME FOR THE CHRISTMAS SEASON. HIGHLY UNDERVALUED PLAY EVEN WITH DEBT AND SHARE DUMPING BY INSTITUTIONAL AND RETAIL INVESTORS, BUT THE PRODUCTS DO AND WILL SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. MOTOVOX HAS ALREADY SEEN .03 AND WILL SURPASS THAT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, ACCUMULATE AS MANY SHARES AT THIS LEVEL AS YOU CAN FOR A HUGE RUN ON PENDING NEWS! THIS IS A BUY AND HOLD! GO MTVX!
Awesome post and simply put but of course this makes too much sense...TOO much sense lol only a newbie or an investor who doesnt understand how starts up that go public operate in expanding and preparing for mass production would see share selling as a bad thing, it could be but this company obviously has products they are trying to push to the consumers on a wide scale. MTVX is trying to meet the demand of consumers in 2015...how are they going to do that unless they sell shares. ill be accumulating more. my one post for the day. Go MTVX.
Bravo!!! You were able to escape this awful pos stock and now your back dedicating your time to warn all the helpless new investors before they lose money here...you deserve a medal, you sir are the real MVP. Your not only making money in other stocks but you find time to come back to this board to warn all new comers of how bad of a stock this is. I mean really, this stock is horrible, real products and massive amounts of debt due to borrowing funds just to turn around and rob all of us helpless investors and although all these poor little investors should understand the risk here and do their own dd, you care so much that you tell them what they should or already know, me personally, if it doesnt put money in my pockets i wouldnt waste my time. Somebody give this guy a humanitarian award for his worthless efforts! Very few people here care about the business or the products, their here to trade the stock and the hype but miraculously some how they will listen to you and run. Somebody give this guy a round of applause!!!
has anyone been able to load up on 1s?
A company is clearly defined neither by its people neither by its history, but by its products. Products dont lie. If a product is really good, it will succeed. Our products will speak the truth about Honda. -Soichiro Honda
wow...simply put! bravo!
there will be more dilution, and will continue to be until the investor groups get their money back from the loans. i dont think its a bad thing imho considering motovox receieved cash in hand in exchange for shares, i rather the investor groups and insiders share dump and dilute at these levels so that we all can accumulate shares at a discount price because when the share price runs, its blue skies from there. so please let the dumping and dilution continue so we can get it out of the way. once it ends and the the loan money is paid in full, we can start making our run up. but of course, this is ALL imo.
No SING did not buy out ADCS. Advanced Content inc gave sold its 33% stake in green star to SING and so did Chris mills. The greenstar reward card still belongs to ADCS, what ever SING makes from the card, we get a percentage. please read over the last 2 pr's in their entirety. GO ADCS.
im long on mtvx as well but to be honest with you i think that request was ridiculous. yes share holders are important (heck i am one and i have been holding since froz frozen food gift company days)but they have a business to run. i dont care about the pps as much as i care about revenues and numbers and being out of debt. no fundamental investor with deep pockets to invest with will touch this, the numbers are horrible. those same funds that can go into a share buy back or reduction can go into meeting business objectives that can bring in funds to reduce or eliminate debt. when a company is and looks healthy, real investors with big money want a piece...seriously expecting a share buy back or share reduction in order to raise a share price is absolutely unrealistic and shows a sense of delusion. i care about the health of a the company, i rather the pps rise naturally and healthily from proper business fundamentals being diligently tended to. if mtvx were to do a share buy back to please the share holders before putting funds into mass production of product, developing our presence internationally, reducing debt or creating new product...basically putting funds into the business in such a way to create positive cash flow, i want no parts of it.
this 8k shows that this borrowed money can be very detrimental or could really prove to be a positive in the future, even possibly in near future. if motovox stays focused on objectives and stays disciplined, they will be able to accomplish all their objectives for 2015 and more but thats if all borrowed funds go to mass producing product and shipping. im sure somebody else can name more BUT if they recklessly spend money on anything other than the production side and shipping, they will go under. the pps is a direct reflection of the business in the sense to where if the business is thriving and we are out of debt or near it, the pps will fly BUT if things stay the same with debt and not being able to meet demand, the pps will stay at these level. we cant clear up debt or do share buy backs unless revenues come in, and revenues wont come in if we dont have products on the shelves. im willing to sit back and see what management will do with the borrowed funds. unfortunately share dilution is the price we as investors have to pay for their borrowed funds because unfortunately, our invested money isnt enough to cover everything they are aiming to accomplish. the dilution will end and yes it will definitely take some time, but if you are invested in the company and its product more than just making a profit, in a few years we will profit. accumulate shares here and there and stop watching the stock and the boards.
simply put and straight to the point.
MTVX is not a pump and dump and here is why. I have been in several pumps that i knew were pumps and made some good money. A true pump and dump does not file with the SEC, MTVX does. A true pump and dump does not have transparency, MTVX does otherwise why would they release to us both good and bad information. A true pump and dump releases false information and inflated numbers in every press release back to back so that the new investors will be suckered in to buying shares. A true pump and dump doesnt have a product you can touch or even buy, just a bunch of fluff and no see through. I can keep going on, i treat a pumper the same way i treat a basher. I dont believe anything they say, if anything i do my own research because a basher always has there own agenda with bad motives for their own agenda and the same it is for a pumper. I can go through and give off a list of pros and cons for MTVX but at the end of the day, you as the investor has to understand the risk you are taking. Im long on MTVX and will still continue to accumulate at these levels because i know exactly what i hold, problems and all.
Its not a matter of whether they care about their investors, they have a business to run and unfortunately they need to seek more funds for business cash flow to push forward with operations and their objectives. How can the stock even survive unless the business survives? With everything coming down the pipeline, in order to be a front runner and a presence in 2015 they need funds and sorry if every investor on this board is qualified to bash and is an expert in running a business that could possibly be a household name and industry giant but their doing the best they can at such an early stage. Would you had rather them not seek institutional investors and had just pleased the average investors who ONLY want to make money off the stock, without leaving their money in long enough so the company could actually use it for business...?! If the price ran up we would have ran it back down after taking our profits, so it was either institutional investors or us that would have dropped the pps, at least they have money in hand in exchange for shares. They now have the funds they needed to push forward their plans for the rest of 2014 and 2015, but unfortunately it was inexchange for an ungodly amount of shares...as a patient investor who sees the value and potential im this company, imho they did the right thing and im willing to sit in the red for awhile until they get it right. With the funds to push the products and distribution internationally, they will dig themselves out of the hole. It may take months or even years and im fine with that.