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What's this about? It appears to have a lot of hits already.
http://www.bac.edu.cn/newsnet/newsview.asp?articleid=5163
What's up with the Russian involvement? Could it be a turning point for Kiwa?
"Provincial Head Office concern the development of new fertilizer Sunong Group"
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://cache.baidu.com/c%3Fm%3D9d78d513d9d431db4f9d93690c66c0176843f0682bd6a0020edf843ce0732a36501197af60624e0b89833a2516ae3a41f7b57337200357f6dc94d51688ac925f7ed43a682759c720488e5cb8cb31768062875b9df44ff0bb863794a4%26p%3Dc049ce16d9c111a058efd32b490e%26user%3Dbaidu&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiVVWfQELyU-i6nBMZbxISrSFJiHw
"Shandong Yishui county measures are in place prohibiting the straw every effort to"
This could be good for Kiwa's fermentation product(s).
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.farmers.org.cn/Article/ShowArticle.asp%3FArticleID%3D75497&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522%25E5%25BA%25B7%25E5%259D%25A6%25E7%2594%259F%25E7%2589%25A9%2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3D1%26tbs%3Dqdr:m%26prmd%3Divu&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhh-7hTklbDKUG2cdJb20h2penyhAg
"vigorously applying organic fertilizer products to enhance soil organic matter content"
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.farmers.org.cn/Article/ShowArticle.asp%3FArticleID%3D75672&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522%25E5%25BA%25B7%25E5%259D%25A6%25E7%2594%259F%25E7%2589%25A9%2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3D1%26tbs%3Dqdr:m%26prmd%3Divu&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgd3qpaWXhtUqaoSKljK4KWgyltfg
Good source for related info.
http://www.farmers.org.cn/Article/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=74753
"Of the 9th Chinese People China Times News Winners levy assessment activities...Top ten brands"
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hanwaymesse.com%2F888%2FNews_Details1.asp%3Fid%3D195%26ParentID%3D1%26BigClassName%3D%25D0%25C2%25CE%25C5%25D6%25D0%25D0%25C4%26SmallClassName%3D%25D0%25C2%25CE%25C5%25B7%25A2%25B2%25BC%26BigClass%3D%25D5%25B9%25BB%25E1%25BF%25EC%25D1%25B6&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
Insider? Can't find much on the web that would justify much right now.
Corps Agricultural Technology Extension Station straw decomposition agent notice of the result of domestic public bidding
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://cache.baidu.com/c%3Fm%3D9f65cb4a8c8507ed4fece763105392230e54f7326d8292027fa3c615d7735b36163afeea657d515e959a227a55ef1400aca661336e1e70eccd89951c89a6922a2c8a253f73179b4016d118afcd4d32c157d100aff047f3ffad72c5a1c5a3ab4323cd44040a9781fa4d701fdd6e800340e8b1ed3b022e67ad9a44%26p%3D89708b0c85cc43ff57e9c03c53%26user%3Dbaidu&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhM1akX_ShTIDMmhDEPc6Q7z1dIQQ
They have no shares to dump, not without a vote to increase AS.
This stock is no more of a joke than any other sub penny. Your timing and time in may be off, but that's the chance we all take. I'm considerably up on this, with a share count that is a lot greater than yours (irrelevant). I'm in it for the longer haul. These drastic fluctuations in share price are the shorter termers buying and selling...
As always, good luck against the dark side, whatever you do.
Bad year in China for crops all around, just as the quarterly states. Shouldn't cause any large sell off's by longs because the first quarter did look much better than the previous quarters from last year. IMO, the potential is still there and great. I'll continue to hold my steak.
W
H, all the shares are sold into the market. There is no dilution happening that would facilitate large blocks (large is relative to the size of your wallet as well). (OS=AS). IMO, shares are mainly held by longs that bought in above the share price we see now and see the same potential we do. I think the bid and ask spread is large due to someone trying to pull the ask down in order to get more shares at the level they want (last trade yesterday was a 5,000 share sale to bring it down to 18, WTF is that?). The MM's holding aren't going to dip on a trade like that. It seems like that's what has been happening the last couple days to me.
Just my non-pro opinion.
W
Kiwa fermentation products could be an aid in the digestion process written about in the articles.
Sorry for butting in...
Are the shareholders that bought in on the special offerings "20 cent deals" time restrictions starting to expire now? Is this the reason for the plunge lately?
IMO, I think so, along with the company still living off share sales.
They need to generate revenue....
W
Great, it's been a long time since they've released anything other than the required filings. IMO, they are bringing in the rev. to support some pr releases now. Hopefully we hear news on a refi. or something good in that regard. I look forward to more, because it should be better than the past.
W
"Cause of action: contract dispute "
What's this about?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://tx.jiaxingcourt.gov.cn/Web/Detail.aspx%3FNewsID%3D2631&ei=f_cxTN6xMIT5nAfem4DtCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDAQ7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522%25E5%25BA%25B7%25E5%259D%25A6%25E7%2594%259F%25E7%2589%25A9%2522%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3D1%26tbs%3Drltm:1%26prmd%3Du
IMO, Kiwa's pps has been sitting pretty low here for a quarter now on little volume. MM's collected those that bailed and brought the pps here today (couple million at most). Any uptick in volume/buying and the pps rises quickly. I'm guessing a rise before the quarterly release, if it's positive. Do your DD and think in longer terms here.
IMO
There sure seems to be consistent interest in people wishing to represent their products.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.3456.tv/business/kangtansw/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgn_KGP0eEX_eJ5ChdJf_sPFkMR5Q
The website says he joined them 10/20/2009. Gotta hope this brings new connections in the mix that may help Kiwa get past the NIR hump this year. I could stomach a small increase in AS after NIR is gone to promote themselves and finish the invesment in AF-01.
Just a thought.
W
I'm surprised, wasn't expecting this until next month...things are due for a change.
Great, will this turn into another death spiral? Who's the note holder, NIR? I would think the OS/AS is public info. They need some turnover on these projects asap or they will be asking to increase AS again to cover the convertible note requirements.
IMO
Anybody have the latest share structure (OS/AS)?
thanks,
W
up-down, can you update the OS? This won't rebound until the OS is maxed, IMO.
W
Almost seems like they want to keep it suppressed, or supress it more ahead of any turn around. Why could that be?
good question, maybe ask management and let us know?
w
year end should be out any time...
I guess my point was that a company that owes a lot of money will be manipulated so that the entity owed the money has the best chance of getting it back. Some guy named Vinny or Guido would usually do the deed of informing management of what to do next so that entity owed the money gets it back.
Nothing against CYBL, they seem to be trying hard, but they owe money. Ya know what I'm sayin'....
Does not a ticker symbol and name change usually go along with a RS?
The market makers are sitting on the billions of shares, not investors. I'm thinking they have to take the shares from NIR, we just don't know for how much. The Market Makers have to "make the market", but they won't do it for free. Once the buying by investors slows to a trickle, the MM's scream for a RS in order to be able to dump the rest they have into the market on new uninformed investors.
The owners and brokers of the big money involved will manipulate us all in order to recover their investment and profit, since the company itself is not capable at this time..
JM Theory.
IMO, all the sells you see are from NIR to the market makers. The MM's are getting the shares below .0001 and selling them to shareholders @.0002. NIR is given the shares for a discount to the lowest share price from CYBL. The MM's only have to sell a percentage of the shares to break even. It's the only way the $ works out when there are billions of shares dumped to the MM's and not enough buyers. Calculated risk for the MM's, they have to make a buck. They'll also force a PR pump, when their shares aren't moving out.
IMO
just watching and trying to learn.
"Looks good"
HAHAHA, what a difference in culture...
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://1908.dajata.com/job/show_company_14519_1067.html&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgXOkzcYe3J5R7OFtrzuFcr_MsVZA
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wobblenuts, there's no guarantee at all. But if the company didn't care about shareholder then why do anything?
They indirectly stated this by signing the contract for the convertible debt note knowing that shareholders would pay for the debt directly, if they could not.
Why be a reporting company?
To play the game and to be legit.
Why put out a letter to shareholders?
To help the sale of the stock.
Why keep partnering with other companies? Why keep working to increase sales and have overhead expenses when they can just sell stock?
No question it's a business, but they take no personal risk or responsibility to the shareholders, typical.
If the company grows business dramatically, the stock will appreciate in price regardless of management's intentions.
What would the estimated market cap be with the current share structure and a pps in the range of where most got in at? Billions?
i think they care but have created a situation for which there's no easy way out for them or the shareholders. Their letter to shareholders didn't really sugar coat anything. It seems they're trying to be honest in what to expect which is mostly bad.
I'm not at either end of the spectrum. There's some middle ground to the truth here I think. Time will tell. The BOD owns shares in the company so they have some interest in what happens. I don't think management are ogres nor angels. I hope they help out shareholder in the long term. All I can really do is hope for the best. The rest is out of my hands as it is for any investor in any company.
You said it, "Time will tell".
I'd assume by now that number is very close to the AS #. The share price would move up then, but what's to happen in April when they hold the vote to increase the AS?