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zeroluv,technicals show below a penny this week without major news.
It actually looks horrible from Both a TA and fundamental perspective.
The bounce already came off MA last week .0096.
Please explain what you see.
This is a valid question that should not require the typical character assassination reply.
His statement below is vague and I would like to know what he is looking at. Maybe we all could learn from his TA.
Or perhaps I should turn my chart upside down. LOL.
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Posted by: zeroluv
In reply to: None Date:4/15/2006 6:28:05 PM
Post #of 152130
The GZFX chart looks good and we should see a bounce this week.
Freto, not true, many people are not happy with GZFX. My posts are only on I-Hub. Stated this numerous times. (answering this post plays right into the game of diversion), The board sees it clear as day.
Feel a need to reply to this question, once and only once.
You actually think only a couple people are responsible for all the negative posts on RB? Are you kidding? You new to investing? 1000's of people post there each day.
People come to I-Hub for the quality. But you are trying to turn it into RB, why ?? Turning people away to read about the poster every 2 seconds. Quit it. People are tired of it !!
I have never seen a stock (except QBID) where so many investors are underwater from their buy price. To say that one group does all the posting under numerous aliases is bold. And how would they ever have time to trade if always on the boards. Please do not give me that much credit. lol.
You have any idea how many investors are out there. And of those, how many are angry about getting burned by GZFX? Maybe these are who you need to look at.
Conspiracy theories do not fly here.
(Opinion is one thing, but careful about false accusations-Big difference). And as far as I know websites only allow one IP Address to post. So this eliminates your theory.
There go all the character assassinations again.
Thought the question at hand was about Cost Per Subscriber?
Guess it is just easier to bash a poster than discuss the reasons we are at a penny.
The board knows your game of diverting to the poster for personal gain and is finally fighting back.
* I will not reply to any non GZFX posts as it hijacks the board. Other members recognize this and do the same. Maybe we can now talk about Cost Per Subscriber?
Kermit,the Market Cap is absolutely out of control !
This is another reason why the price is adjusting. Many value & fundamemtal investors place GZFX well below a penny even with future forecasting. Even running the inflated numbers at 100,000 subs. You have seen all the financial formulas. Even Technical Investors see the charts breaking down below a penny from the MA bounce.
Sure, GZFX has a value. But what PE ratio are you giving it, 500, 1000? There comes a point where numbers are tossed out that are not realistic. GZXF is in a correction stage due to investors figuring out that they spend much more than the net business model produces. GZFX will have to prove it all wrong. So all eyes point to the Q's.
Truly break down the spending pattern. Line item it versus the net per sub. Then multiply by a realistic sub number a year out and factor in O/S's. Choose a realistic market PE and you get what many are willing to pay.
And you are also assuming that the outstanding shares do not increase for the rest of 2006. Formulas must adjust as new numbers are released.
I saw 2 posts on the board yesterday about people selling simply because they figured out the market cap. As shares get into the billions, all of a sudden 1 billion versus 4 gets jaded. Hey, what's another billion! Well, it completely takes down the price. The market is always right.
GZFX has always spent millions of dollars. It will be an eye opener to see how much they spent on VOD, e-golf, race car, etc. Anyone ever going to question this? Because business revenue is not even close to catching up with spending. Simple deficit spending.
The reason I believe we head below a penny is simply because the true value is now being realized. Those in for the excitement of CC news are leaving. New money is looking at the filings and balance sheet and passing on GZFX for now.
It will take alot of time for the sub count and revenue to try and play catch up with the outstanding shares.
Look at the actual business revenue and expense ratio.
(**Not revenue generated from the sale of shares for cash-this Dilutes and takes the value lower-so no need to get excited about cash when you realize where it is coming from)
The actual cost per subscriber is astronomical when you run it with the limited revenue from the business.
The money generated from the sale of shares for cash should be well spent. AmeriTrade and some other major trading houses do not even get GZFX news on their wires ! No excuse for this. The word should get out in order to give the price a chance. How are any new investors going to hear the story if it does not come across DJ, Reuters, etc. Many would much rather see them pay an IR firm than advertise on a Race Car sponsorship or e-tour golf.
The money should be tracked for the actual correlation to bringing in subscribers. VOD, same story. Sounds glamorous, but how many subscribers are coming in versus money spent. Who will be watching these satellite broadcasts anyway. And why does that ensure they are the proper target market?
It will be interesting to see how much is being spent on 170 channels that we currently know nothing about? Is any price spent okay with you?
There has to be a price point where a Race Car, E-Golf, and GnF Satellite channel actually hurt the business. Maybe a suggestion is to get into more pots after breakeven. A satellite channel will be around. Expenses have been outrageous with GZFX. Someone needs to reel it in alot at corporate.
Again, cost per subscriber. We need to talk much more about cost per subscriber. After all, the shareholders fund the company and deserve to know more details about each venture.
Open to a discussion about cost per subscriber...
* no reason to bash the poster, let's discuss CPS.
all imo.
* those posts did not require an imo. Read them again.
Mike, the 6 million came primarily from GZFX selling shares to market for cash. This is much different than coming from the actual business plan. So when we see cash on the balance sheet, remember how it got there. Dilution hurts the price.
Perhaps if JF did a CEO update on what the cash is and will be used for, investors would not feel so uneasy. But how much cash is ever enough? They get it from selling shares and also the deal with GG.
If he addressed the goals, then it would help the price, imo.
The Q that shows cash and No More Dilution is the day we know the cash has come from the actual business plan.
More cash will show up in the following Q's from selling shares to market for cash. Along with the GG conversions are why the price cannot sustain an advance.
Simple math for GZFX price on # of subs, cost per sub, net per sub and total numbers of Outstanding Shares. Then give it a PE ratio based on forward guidance (1,500-2,500 subs per month-add more if you wish) and you get the valuation.
This is an OTC stock. JF has an opportunity to embrace the same shareholders that funded his venture. Many OTC CEO's type letters and give updates each month about plans, goals and objectives. Even if they speak in broad terms, the consistency by a CEO builds trust.
You think this may be a nice idea? Sure, he cannot tell all, but some hidden items are hidden for no reason whatsoever.
And the inconsistency of timing has burned people. Many shareholders will never return.
There is a major disconnect between management and shareholder and it shows in the price, imo.
Great post Egeliah!
People are realizing the game and finally stepping up to clean this board up.
Using the Ignore feature would end all of this. Anyone is welcome to use it. Playing policeman to save the board is no excuse to not use it.
90% of the clutter are replies in defense of character. So use ignore and choose who you want to hear.
People can hear both sides on a public message board and decide for themselves. The repeated posts are only in Reply to character assassinations.
Many people have lost money. Frustration should turn to GZFX instead of the poster as an anger outlet. Simple sociology. The anger of losing money is bottled and directed to a message board poster instead of the actual company itself.
Some just do not want it to end. They thrive on the drama. Watch how many Replies about character this post gets. Well you now see the game so this is a start.
Let's talk about GZFX !
Tina, they are diverting attention away from the tough GXFX questions yet again. In record time !!
When will people start discussing the reason so many are losing money here? It is not because of a poster for certain.
But it is easier to blame a message board poster than face the reality.
The board needs to step up and end this dialogue now.
This is where the clutter comes from ! Someone accuses another of manipulation and then the poster replies to defend their character.
Thought we all agreed to discuss GZFX and NOT the poster ??
Look how quickly the group took it right to the poster.
End this now.
Tina, thank you for pointing out the game these people are playing. If enough people point it out, they may just stop.
Only a tiny percentage of their posts are actually about GZFX. Actually go back and look. They would much rather stir the soap opera pot because they know very little about GZFX but feel the need to hear themselves speak 24-7.
Nice posts, Tina & Wick! It is a small group that personally attack each poster. (We all know who they are). It has now been uncovered lately what their intentions are, DIVERTING the difficult questions away from GZFX to focus on the poster, all for personal profit. This has been the way to not have to answer tough questions on what is really happening with GZFX stock price fall.
People need and deserve to know what is happening with their money. Talking about a poster hijacks that right.
Moderators are aware of many PM's and e-mails that show the serious game that is going on here. The same 24/7 Pumpers are flipping the stock, playing off of each other when a question comes up that will not support their effort. That poster will become the focus. The game needs to end now.
The clutter comes from Defensive replies to these people and further attacks continue from the same group.
Many quality posters have moved on to other boards. This is sad because I-Hub used to be the place for the best DD and discussion.
And new people are hesitant to post for fear of being attacked!!
It is a battle zone where people are in "fight or flight" mode.
The board needs to self regulate. But moderators may begin by removing posts that single out a poster as a blatant attack. This will eliminate a string of replies that will not help the board.
Many opinions from each side are allowed on the board. It is when opinion turns to known lie, rumor or bashing the individual poster that the line is crossed.
Let's all help Wick in restoring the board to a place for GZFX quality dd and discussion.
** bashing me for this post would be typical, but moderators will now remove the personal attack reply as a start. I repeat, no need to Reply to this post to begin a string of unwanted posts.
**(watch and see who replies and it will tell the story).
No replies will be granted if they are a bash. The board should not allow them to play this game any longer. If so, the board can be cleaned up this weekend. Perfect.
Have a great holiday !! Looking forward to a new and improved board.
Chicago, and how far will GZFX fall before that time ? Ever held into a Reverse Split before ? Look into it.
No matter what, people pump. It is manipulated, MM's fault, an I-Hub poster caused it, a weekend selloff, but NEVER the fact that GZFX management caused the price. Quit making excuses all the way from 16 cents. Ask the questions !! Plenty of them.
Exactly. Look at the market cap, charts, laughable sub count, whatever. GZFX is such an over-valued stock. CC cannot save them. CC will cut bait when VOD comes.
GZFX should be trading much less with the new Dilution and it is beginning to finally show in the price. .0005 is more like it fundamentally. And this is the forecasted price !
Less and less dreamers are around here.
And traders pop in to see what JF blunder is next. They may be able to catch a TA play on a 50 percent selloff. Of course, none of these people hold this stock.
The trend is way down. Too many O/S's to date with hardly any business revenue. Period. End of story. (sad thing is that the dilution continues each day). Even if it stopped, GZFX is way overvalued.
Very sad lesson to learn.
GZFX will not make you rich, it will only hurt you.
JF and Chip got raises to around $ 200,000.00. Ask who is making all of the money. Beauty for them is nobody holds them accountable for any frivolous spending !
imo.
Then you will certainly have plenty of opportunity to buy lower. Keep averaging down, that is smart ??
Always the bottom, right? Even when it was at 15 cents ??
TA shows it is not bouncing off MA this time around.
imo well below a penny this time around. Especially, when the Q hits the wire.
Enjoy your weekend.
Falling below a penny. Better start asking the tough questions.
Quit diverting to the poster. Obvious what you are trying to do. Or did a post at I-Hub cause the selloff? haha. Get a clue.
This is serious now, folks.
Not bouncing per the chart this time around.
Who here is holding into the Quarterly filing ?
CC decided to work with GZFX for the profit margin. $ 30 per sub is alot. GZFX takes care of all expenses. CC has nothing to lose. Get it. Only so many companies out there that do games and movies. Best Buy already had Netflix and Gamefly, CC had to take what was left.
The industry is not very profitable (GZFX great example). So CC had very few to choose from. This GZFX was chosen is BS.
Having a high profit margin item on the floor is appealing to CC. GZFX has to give away the farm as they were at .002 before CC and dilution. GZFX needs the name CC. But CC loves the free cash for doing absolutely nothing.
Retailers are not filtering thru companies anbd choosing. CC will gladly take the free GZFX cash until VOD takes over. And no Pittsburgh satellite is going to save GZFX at that time.
And there is a reason why Netflix and the big dogs do not handle games. It is NOT Profitable to do both ! GZFX is certainly not proving this. They have generated tiny sub count and also make no money. (except for selling shares to market for cash). If it could work, Netflix would be all over it.
imo.
There are plenty of other plays out there.
The issue is that many people are overloaded with GZFX. They think it is their payday. The ticket to riches and a quick buck. Diversify folks. GZFX is not going anywhere but down for a long time.
This time it will not bounce much again on the 50MA. We will be well below a penny again thanks to the new dilution and low sub count.
The concensus is that GZFX is several Quarters off from showing much. The sub count is ridiculously low.
In the meantime, more shares are sold to market for cash to fund operations. This devalues your shares each day.
Some decide to wait around for a payoff that may come in a year or so ?? But they run the risk of Reverse Split and further declining price below a penny too.
Most are already in the red hoping to just get back closer to even.
Ask those still holding from 16 cents ! Each day, people call bottom. Take emotion out of your trading. Cutting bait on a bad trade is better than making it worse by averaging down as it continues to fall.
Time value of Money is also very important.
Maybe after the selloff on the Q, a short term trading opportunity will be presented. That is why some people hang around. Never know when JF will surprise with an early filing.
Just not sure what people expect to rally GZFX at this point in time?? CC news has come and gone.
GZFX (and QBID) are the # 1 examples of why I will never hold an OTC stock, but what do I know.
all imo.
Anasta, INSQ is an Ethanol play. It is 70% owned by GSHF (a BDC company I recently posted about on I-Hub).
The Ethanol plays are much like bird flu plays. Money will flow there in a frenzy, then some will be left with the bag. Baptism by fire for many traders.
PEIX led the charge with these plays. Bill Gates has a major stake. But this company has made quite a run from $ 12.
The Ethanol plays will rise and fall quickly, just like Bird Flu. Alot of money changes hands quickly. Certainly an example of why an OTC stock is not a buy and hold. You must be fast.
Hope this helps.
What a post! It gives the heads up to what is really happening here.
Most people are afraid to ask questions because the same group. (Agent, Unknown, Howaboot and Kermit) arrive on the scene 24-7 to run them off. They can say whatever and TOS are not in question. Most of their posts are Personal attacks on a poster and full of unproven accusations.
People are well aware that diverting attention to the "poster" takes away from the truth at hand.
It is nice that most people can now see their intentions. Divert the real questions quickly to the poster. The reality is that I-Hub has little to do with the falling price.
The board is tired of filtering thru posts about other board members. This gets old. Many quality posters have left to other boards. Only takes a small group to ruin it for us all.
The price is falling, why not actually discuss the reasons?
Thank you J-Rod. More people are now aware about the TOS double standard on here. These people will fade out. The board should step up and TOS those that attack posters for asking questions and stating opinions. This is about GZFX and not the posters.
The lies and rumors yesterday were welcome, but a post asking about GZFX selling shares to market is deleted?? We must be consistant here. Use the Ignore feature.
J-Rod- that is the post of the year. Sums up the board. The clans plan has been uncovered. People are tired of getting bashed for asking valid questions. And the board would not be cluttered if people were not always in Defense mode posting.
It is sad to see new people begin with, " I am not bashing, but what happens with a Reverse Split?" Or, " I am not bashing, but when will GZFX stop selling shares for cash." People have been conditioned to run from asking questions due to personal attack.
Losing money for longs is not fun. Ask the tough questions ! It is your money funding this venture. You deserve some answers to the mystery.
Markey, pertaining to your question.
** Do you ask in order to bash me? Is it only for an argument? Willing to discuss, but baiting me for bashing sake ruins the board.
The fact is the the market already knows the current Outstanding Share count in the billions is ALREADY much too high.
So the best question is when will JF quit selling shares to market ? He seems to enjoy the GZFX ATM for now.
Even if he quit today, the Outstanding share count formulas show that GZFX is extremely OVERvalued. Be it 4 or 7 billion shares O/S.
Let's say they get to 10 billion O/S's before the Reverse Split.
No matter what formula utilized, the current price is extremely overvalued because cost per subscriber is much too high.
25,000 subs by year end is the target. But even at 100,000 subs, the share price is much too high.
The numbers explain why this is headed well under a penny when the Q hits the wire.
As long as you continue to ask, I will reply.
imo.
DonsHub, Great post!
People with nothing to "Hide" do not gag information from the public. People have to wait for the Q's to see the dilution. That is why we selloff each time. 2 billion shares came last Q AFTER JF said dilution was finished !!
So why defend this guy ?
None of JF's PR's explain much. A PR firm could work wonders in getting the story out. But no, JF hurts the price yet again with incorrect spelling and lack of exposure. Selling the GZFX-CC partnership could have added a surge in stock price.
The PR's should hit Reuters, DJ and other avenues. The main Brokerage houses, AmeriTrade, etc. do not get the news.
Therefore, Many new investors do not get the news on GZFX. Instead of a Race Car, JF, spend some money on PR as an idea. Someone needs to buy up the billions of shares.
25 billion is not "Just a Number". If it were "Just a Number", JF could have very easily made it lower to appease the shareholders. He knows that the number being there looms over the stock price. It was a planned event and not just a number.
** Quit making excused for a guy that has burned shareholders many times over.
He also said Dilution was done in the millions of shares. Same guy maxed out 4 Billion and then went for 25 Billion. So his credibility and trust is shattered with shareholders.
It is 25 billion to sell from for cash now and then it will be slashed on the Reverse Split that JF has discussed. He Needed a high number in order to break it up on the Reverse Split. JF will certainly sell into that news.
If you have never been burned by a Reverse Split, you had better check into it.
imo.
This is for the many PM's & e-mails I got today asking for a current public review of where we stand near term.
Traders got their expected 50MA bounce off .0096. It happens every time. And every time, the public thinks it is a reversal. Stocks bounce off Moving Averages. And 50, 100, 200 are when traders take most advantage of the bounce.
The concern for investors at this time relates again to timing:
- When (not if) will GZFX do the Reverse Split
- Can JF be trusted to wait until profitability
- Will they file the 10Q early like the annual
Waking up to either one of these is not appealing.
TA and fundamental traders are exiting for now as the trend continues down into the Q. imo.
$ 30.00 per sub goes immediately to CC. Call JF and Chip as the source. They have to pay alot for the CC name and shelf space. This number does not require an imo. It is the real number, plus the cost of marketing and creating the packets themselves.
GZFX will only produce revenue for a CC sub if maintained on the books for months. Also factor in the GZFX spending spree. This all hits the bottom line of Cost Per Sub. This is why each dollar should be spent wisely. Because the further out from breakeven, the more shares will dilute the public float to raise cash.
But the numbers above are directly from GZFX. I am not the only one that knows this information.
Kermit, there is a giant difference from a company making it and a stock price not making it. Dilution is not always overcome when it gets into the billions.
And a reverse split murders the very investors that funded the venture. Those in early will continue to take the largest hit as more shares hit market. (and you agree more shares are hitting market). The valuation equation is hit each day they do this.
Unknown, my opinion (not to be bashed as I was kindly asked),
It is not hard for GZFX to get deals with retailers. They are a cash cow for the retailers. AAFES is strong for GZFX, but the public recognizes popular retail names. So not sure a rally can be sustained on the name AAFES any longer. At the right time, it sure would have helped.
The issue to consider is the immediate outlay to the retailers. GZXF pays nearly $ 30.00 in cash immediately to CC, PLUS the cost of the promotional cases and marketing. Acquiring each sub is very expensive. It turns out to be one of the most profitable items on the retail shelf. So retailers love the deal GZFX gives to them.
So it takes a long time to recover from the Red on any given sub thru a retailer.
The other factor that concerns investors is whether or not GZFX can handle the traffic of new subs. The churn rate has been a major issue that is rarely addressed.
So if they pay $ 30.00 plus and lose the sub the second month, it hurts.
GZFX must grow at a steady rate in order to maintain subs. But GZFX needs to gain suns thru other avenues because the retail venture does not help with breakeven much in 2006.
Check into the Cost Per Sub, Churn Rate and also the actual amount coming from each CC store.
The dd above will also show that GZFX will either tap further into the new GG funding and/or continue to sell to market.
The questions above are valid for any person trading or holding GZFX long term. Most questions go unanswered for a reason by GZFX. It it were positive, they would not Gag the Transfer Agent from telling the public.
And the 1.3 billion share trading day along with timing of 25 billion shares further illustrates why we trade at this level.
** I was asked to reply, so bashing me for answering with opinion only hurts the board.
Unknown_factor, the public is aware of GZFX selling shares for cash following the end of the quarter. They did it to the tune of 2 billion shares last Q. (in the filing) This is where the 6 million came from in the filing.
It is also why money should be spent responsibly. GZFX sees an ATM, but shareholders should get answers to how much was spent on each venture. You want them to Stop selling shares for cash. How much cash is ever enough ??
And shareholders have this new filing to look forward to. So the Q share numbers mean little as GZFX has some major dilution after march 31. This cannot be good, as people buy on a forecast. The number can only go to the A/S number at that time. JF timed it so that he has time before most of it shows.
Remember, GG is 18% in the money, so they sell regardless of other factors. They are ALLOWED to SHORT GXFX. So much of the action is a result of them making money on a trading range. See past posts for how PP companies make money moving the stock in each direction. GG has this reputation. Check into it.
The Agreement should have taken out the SHORT SALE clause to avoid the manipulation by the same company funding the company. There are many Google articles on Private Placement companies and falling stock prices should you want to do some dd.
GZFX -- GameznFlix, Inc.
Com ($0.001)
As filed with the Securities and
Exchange Commission on
March 30, 2006
An Exhibit List can be found on
Page II-11.
Registration No.
UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON D.C. 20549
FORM SB-2
REGISTRATION STATEMENT
UNDER
THE SECURITIES ACT OF 1933
GAMEZNFLIX, INC.
(Name of small business issuer in its charter)
Nevada 454111 90-0224051
(State or other (Primary Standard Industrial (I.R.S. Employer
Jurisdiction of Classification Code Number) Identification No.)
Incorporation or
Organization)
1535 Blackjack Road
Franklin, Kentucky 42134
270-598-0385
(Address and telephone number of principal executive offices and
principal place of business)
John Fleming, Chief Executive Officer
GAMEZNFLIX, INC.
1535 Blackjack Road
Franklin, Kentucky 42134
270-598-0385
(Name, address and telephone number of agent for service)
Copies to:
Gregory Sichenzia, Esq.
Stephen M. Fleming, Esq.
Sichenzia Ross Friedman Ference LLP
1065 Avenue of the Americas, 21st Flr.
New York, New York 10018
(212) 930-9700
(212) 930-9725 (fax)
APPROXIMATE DATE OF PROPOSED SALE TO THE PUBLIC:
From time to time after this Registration Statement becomes effective.
If any securities being registered on this Form are to be offered on a delayed or continuous basis pursuant to Rule 415 under the Securities Act of 1933, other than securities offered only in connection with dividend or interest reinvestment plans, check the following box: [X]
If this Form is filed to register additional securities for an offering pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act, check the following box and list the Securities Act registration statement number of the earlier effective registration statement for the same offering. ________
If this Form is a post-effective amendment filed pursuant to Rule 462(c) under the Securities Act, check the following box and list the Securities Act registration statement number of the earlier effective registration statement for the same offering. _________
If this Form is a post-effective amendment filed pursuant to Rule 462(d) under the Securities Act, check the following box and list the Securities Act registration statement number of the earlier effective registration statement for the same offering. _________
If delivery of the prospectus is expected to be made pursuant to Rule 434, please check the following box. _________
CALCULATION OF REGISTRATION FEE
CALCULATION OF REGISTRATION FEE
Title of each Amount to be Proposed Proposed Amount of
Class of Registered(1) Maximum Maximum Registration
Securities to Offering Price Aggregate Fee
Be Registered Per Share Offering
Price
Common stock
issuable upon
conversion of
debentures
5,816,096,751(2) $.01(3) $58,160,967.51 $6,223.22
Common Stock
issuable upon
exercise of
warrants 20,339,100(4) $1.09(5) $22,169,619.00 $2,372.15
Total 5,836,435,851 $8,595.37
(1) Includes shares of our common stock, par value $0.001 per share, which may be offered pursuant to this registration statement, which shares are issuable upon conversion of convertible debentures and the exercise of warrants held by the selling stockholder. In addition to the shares set forth in the table, the amount to be registered includes a good faith estimate of the number of shares issuable upon conversion of the debentures. The amount to be registered also includes shares of common stock issuable upon exercise of the warrants, as such number may be adjusted as a result of stock splits, stock dividends and similar transactions in accordance with Rule 416. Should the conversion ratio of our convertible debentures result in our having insufficient shares, we will not rely upon Rule 416, but will file a new registration statement to cover the resale of such additional shares should that become necessary. In addition, should a decrease in the exercise price as a result of an issuance or sale of shares below the then current market price, result in our having insufficient shares, we will not rely upon Rule 416, but will file a new registration statement to cover the resale of such additional shares should that become necessary.
Quit diverting to the poster. Let's discuss this as I have done above.
What sparked the 50 % immediate selloff the last 10K ? Will this happen again? Or is the dilution and low sub count now expected?
Let's discuss. Many holders are expecting higher sub numbers than will come in, imo. That is why I feel it will sell off again.
GZFX did the natural bounce off 50EMA .0096 and will head back well below that area very soon and much more when the Quarterly hits.
For discussion:
What do people expect to see in this Q that would be positive for GZFX?
An S filing After the quarter ended showed billions more being converted from Authorized to Outstanding (public float). So the market is not fooled and already knows the share count is currently billions more than this Q will show. JF tried to be sneaky and the market has figured him out.
Let's open the discussion to the Q. What will be positive at this time? Open to any ideas. Both traders and forever longs may have some ideas on: Sub Count, Share Count, Timing of AAFES, etc.
Opening the floor to discuss it rationally. These are valid points that bode well in the purpose of a discussion forum. Listening...
all imo.
Sire and Board:
Wick had an interesting observation. He mentioned that much gets lost in translation due to "trading" vs. holding for an end result.
Many of you are long and will hold regardless. This is fine, for you. Of course you will want to hear positive rah-rah each minute. This could easily be bashed, especially because GZFX has falled from 16 cents.
My style is a trader on technical support and resistance points. I learned years ago that a penny stock is not for holding. Sure, I tried it many times.
Buying and holding on emotion to "get rich quickly" cannot happen with billions of shares. Simple math. So traders adjust and make the best of it until profitability changes the picture. But for now, the sub count is so low that it cannot possibly sustain a rise fundamentally.
The reasons are clear. OTC's are struggling to survive. Private Placement financing is toxic. Conversion schedules and printing shares to sell on the open market decrease the value quickly. A reverse split before profitability is stockholder suicide. Again, all timing. This happens with many OTC's. And we have seen much of it with GZFX already. Many listened to management and expected Breakeven last year. Many expected the website news in November. Many even heard from John, No More Dilution. An excuse may be made for each event, but it still does not help with the time value of money.
A few facts to remember:
- I never praise the company and/or management. This is very clear in my posts dating all the way back. All comments pertain to why the pps is heading in a particular direction.
- My statements can change each day because I am a trader. It all depends on Technical Analysis and what JF decides to do with his "timing" in accordance to the TA. Timing is extremely important.
- Many people send me e-mails and PM's each day asking for up to date observations about GZFX. I answer truthfully and give the reasons why. * and many of the bashers are the ones asking for an up to date analysis. Interesting. Most of my posts are replies to questions. This makes a difference.
Why are people asking each day if they do not want the perspective? The theory is that many "trade" GZFX and claim long in order to be accepted by the board. I take much of the bashing for these folks. I will not name any names, but more than you may think. And some of the names will surprise you for sure.
- You may be surprised at how many trade the support and resistance points. My posts cater to those folks. But many of the posts also have information that affect those holding long.
AND EXAMPLE of TA & Timing:
There was a time when TA and timing were set for an explosion. It was all up to JF on the timing of his 25 billion Authorized shares and CC. I was called a basher, but was very clear. If JF must place CC BEFORE the new shares. If not, the stock price will hit a wall of selling and we will slam back down. * This happened and is an example of being on both sides. If JF goes CC first, the stock skyrockets. If not, it advances and crashes. The latter happened.
But I addressed both sides on the forefont. The same applied to AAFES. If released near .016 when momentum was highest, it would have made a difference. Sure, it will still pop, but many people left GZFX to never return. You need alot of "investors" and "traders" present to buy the shares GZFX has been selling. The float is too high to move it very much just based on an event.
Let's do this. Traders ask for me to post (and some longs). Where it gets out of hand is not respecting where each other is coming from. Getting in a pissin* match clutters the board and does not help the TA traders or longs. Short term traders have every right to post here. Place me on ignore, but do not bash. I will do a better job of disclaiming my objectives and time horizon. Just understand that TA trading can change on a dime. Pointing out old posts does very little.
So let's agree to move forward understanding that I will never hold GZFX till death do us part. And many of you will never trade GZFX.
My posts offer another option. That is all. Listen if you wish, place me on ignore if you wish. your call, but bashing only ruins the integrity of the board. I am sure we can all agree that people have different styles. And there is a major difference from presenting Opinion versus a flat lie or known rumor. So let's agree that the board asks for opinions on holding forever and simply trading GZFX. Both shall be respected.
Enjoy your day.
Young CEO,
Stocks bounce off of moving averages. The MA was hit and it bounced. Typical behavior after a gap up.
Not enough volume to call it anything.
And the false Rumor of a buyback also got it going.
But known lies are accepted on the board for some reason.
Authorizing 25 billion and then a few weeks later buying back ??
Yeah, that makes sense. all imo.
Paidinfull, Great post(s).
They (GZFX) just authorized 25 billion, now the Pumpers rumor a buyback. Comical. But this is allowed on the board while discussions of major dilution gets deleted and/or bashed.
Sounds like a desperate double standard to me.
They spend the cash from selling shares on Race Cars, TV channels, e-Golf, " consulting fees ", Giant pay raises too.
The last thing they do is take care of shareholders. This was plain as day when JF Authorized 25 Billion shares days ahead of CC deal. He could have waited a few days.
It is obvious the shares were not used in the deal. They were only used to sell into the news. Get it now ?
A buyback pump is what needs to be filtered from the board. As do rumors of a major merger.
Give it a rest pumpers. Celebrate being above 1 cent after a fall from 2. Throw a party.
Lower lows and lower highs is the story because of the GZFX constant selling that nobody will discuss.
You cannot save this from the Q filing. Do not forget what happened on the last one that came very early.
all imho.
Agent,
Ever heard of time value of money? Ever heard of a Reverse Split? Ever head of no more dilution and then 25 billion shares hitting by the CEO ??
* Holding this long term will not work for those in pre split.
I posted a sell near 2 cents on a runup from .0076.
Then a purchase at .0121 also posted. Then announced a sell near .016 on that NEW trade making alot of money.
Then another purchase near .0121 again and a sell in .013's and then .012 when support broke.
So let's add up a sell in .012's and not buying back until the Q selloff. Already saved 20 plus %.
Your messages are old.
Those that read me sold in .012-.013's on the message (of course bashed) that said we are heading well below a penny.
Amazing return if you add is all up. And it was all in front of the board in advance. Many did listen and will continue to listen.
When JF ends his Selling spree, it may be a nice entry. Much lower than todays price for sure. all imo.
* Again, Diverting the focus to BMI is your job. The stock price is falling and people are losing money. Time for JF to answer some questions about a Gagged Transfer Agent. He have something to hide?? Ask him how many shares they have recently dumped !!
I challenge the board to ask the tough questions for once.
DELETING ALL MY POSTS NOW? Then delete all the Pump posts too.
YOU DID THIS WHEN I WARNED OF THE 10 K COMING EARLY TOO.
IT IS A PUBLIC FORUM.
I suggest you reinstate the posts and let the public decide with their money.
But Censoring is not the purpose of the board.
Especially, since I have been absolutely Right so far about the pps.
Some want to hear both sides. Pumping as it falls gets old.
The posts did not violate TOS. Place them back for all to read and decide.
When Agent, Unknown and Kermit bash me and then ask questions, I reply to these posts. They are in Reply to a Reply. Not a violation of TOS. Quit replying if you do not want and answer back. Polite that way. Always will reply if asked a question.
Z-Axis, Great Question !
Simply because they only know one direction, Pump, while the price falls. Ignorance is bliss.
Better yet, why not call JF and Chip and ask them why GZFX needs to Dump so many shares to market. Why they get major pay increases around $ 200,000.00 and why the frivolous spending ! It is your money.
They gagged the Transfer Agent. End of story. Cannot defend that. They do NOT want you to know about the Billions being dumped !! Get a clue. Way overvalued because JF ruined it with the massive selling of shares on any news.
Being in CC means nothing when billions of shares are being sold.
There are many companies that are successful and the stock price is not.
Eventually, they will slash the 25 Billion with a Reverse Split. Remember, they can just Authorize more shares and 99% of people will stick up for the decision regardless.
Those investors that built the company should be asking the tough questions right about now instead of bashing a poster for having the courage to bring up the real issues.
Nice to see some rational posters on the board.
Now bash me Agent, howaboot, Unknown, Mike,,, Makes little sense to bash those that have been correct !! all imo.
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Ha! Howaboot you and the fluffer engage in conversation with BMI about the issues HE brings up instead of taking the focus off of his statements/questions and re-directing the conversation to bashers/flippers???
Young CEO, you of all people know that charts and information change.
CEO's adjust to change daily.
As stated numerous times, I have never praised management or the company. Only have been bullish on the stock at times based on charts or news that may come.
A big difference.
Take the emotion out of it.
I have given you facts to realistically look at GZFX objectively while still over a penny.
The last time I did this, Some sold at .0105 and the stock went to .006's.
People make their own decisions. Just not sure what can be expected to keep it up at this time. All indicators point way down.
Thank JF and crew for selling the massive amount of shares. Guess you can watch GnF TV while waiting around. all imo.
MAXING OUT the Authorized shares will not be taken as a positive.
Not only Maxing them out, but taking the pot to 25 Billion !
Smart money knows GZFX has continued to sell many shares to market. It can only show so much on this Q because of when the 25 billion hit the SEC.
It is the sub count and other factors that will not be taken well on this Q. And the fact of rapid Dilution is taking place.
2 billion last Q and now maxing and adding right after the quarter ended.
The market is much smarter than you think, unknown_factor. A company can only use as many shares as are Authorized.
Remember when I got bashed for saying shares in the Billions were coming ?? You all slammed me.
25 Billion came the NEXT day !
The market can easily Forecast that billions more will hit the market after this Q. Get an updated Outstanding share count. Oh, we cannot, the transfer agent is gagged from telling us !
Listen up only if you wish. Those shares have and will continue to hit market. The charts and declining pps say so.
Share count was already out of control Before they began dumping more to market for cash. all imo.
You think showing near a maxed out dilution number on the Q will help the stock. People know you can only use the A/S amount at the time.
JF timed it well for himself. It may trick some investors and buy him time until the following Q's. But most people will not be fooled by this strategy by JF.
The truth eventually comes out. (Stock Price declining below a penny on news) The market is telling you. Stubborn people that trade on Emotion will never listen. They call bottom all the way down. Never catch a falling knife. Average only up.
GZFX changed the plan with AAFES! Not hard to follow. That was 12 days ago. Quit living in the past.
ALOT has changed. My sells were cordially posted when the chart broke down. I adjusted and saved over 20 %. So quit posting old news.
I posted the change publicly in the .012's. Many listened per my PM's and e-mails. Many remain Pumping each day as we head below a penny.
Waiting for the Q to tell more of the story. For all we know, it could come early again.
Ask them about it. JF is holding his last card (AAFES) for his "typical" type of release. all imo.
Yes, ALOT has changed in 12 days.
Watch the behavior of the stock.
This dilution is much more than expected and will mainly show on the 2,3,4th Q's.
Nearly impossible to overcome this kind of dilution. The valuation is shot and the price will adjust now.
Thank JF and Chip for the irresponsible spending spree(s). Run a calculation on the cost per sub to understand.
imo.
25,000 subscribers max by year end. Call and ask John and Chip as the source.
I often wonder how Agent and unknown_factor are ALWAYS here 24/7 to bash any poster with a valid question.
Wonder who pays them to immediately jump on a post and turn the attention to the poster. hmmmm.
You sure must have interesting lives to sit on a board all day and night trying to strongarm people as the price falls.
24 hour pumpers are the worst kind.
Someone needs to answer the tough questions now.
all imo.
Unknown_factor & others,
Rational investors would demand that GZFX answer the tough questions as money is lost each day.
But this board diverts the attention to the actual poster. This solves nothing for those that want to discuss the issues.
It is way Overvalued at 4 to 7 billion Outstanding Shares. Do the math. It was a value in the millions of shares. The equation changed on the last few filings. 2 Billion hit the float last Quarter alone !
Let me see your real numbers. GZFX technically and fundamentally worth well under a penny.
Show me the math before replying.
10,000 subs (generous) * net per sub / 4 billion shares = Way under a penny.
Problem is that the share count rises each day. So the value is even less.
If not, explain declining pps each day. Seriously, explain this instead of taking the easy route and bashing me.
The board is listening. Show us the formula.
Bingo !! RD, Now you are on to something. The same talk was absolutely present at 15,14,10,6,3,and 1 cents. And it will be here at .004 saying it is bottom !
I have never seen a stock where the majority of investors are in the Red for so long. And the same shareholders make excuses for the company as the price falls and falls.
NYSE and Nasdaq companies are not paid as well as Chip and JF ! Did shareholders vote on their pay increases as the price falls each day ? Seriously, 200K and stock is out of control.
There was no reason for 25 billion to be the number. It has nothing to do with CC. So why can't JF explain why 25 billion? Because he is conveniently selling from it. Then a Reverse Split and then more shares.
GZFX is not on the forefront of anything. So gagging this and that is only an excuse. Netflix could care less about a company with 6,000 subscribers. JF should embrace the shareholders as they funded his project.
Think about it. JF and Chip increase their salaries as the price decreases. $ 200 K per year plus stock for a company with very little business revenue.
JF and Chip just want to keep the gravy train afloat. As long as people call bottom and pump this thing, JF and Chip get paid.
And there are plenty of pumpers calling bottom, 15 cents,14, 13,12,11,10, and now 1 cent ! Get it. It will never end.
When many began here, the argument of value was in play. But the Outstanding Shares were in the 100 millions. Now 25 Billion pot for GZFX to sell from. So the equation of price falls as the billions hit the float.
It is all simple math.
And they are selling. Imagine how many were sold on the 1.3 billion share CC announcement day. Stocks only fall like this each day when major Dilution is hitting the market. It will take 2 quarters to see all of it to date BECAUSE they gagged the transfer agent from telling us. Well, how convenient for them. Buys time while they dump billions more.
The share count is the problem !! It makes the difference.
The problem is 2 fold:
A. The share count has risen and sub count has not kept up accordingly. The revenue is coming from the sale of shares and NOT the actual business plan.
B. Any momentum is HIT HARD with a ceiling of GZFX shares for sale. The company sells the shares for cash and squanders the money on a race car, shady Pittsburgh satellite, e-golf, Superbowl ad.
Wait until you see how much was spent on the satellite channel venture ! When will people wake up and question the frivolous spending ?? Many defend management regardless.
They doubled the Outstanding shares in 1-2 quarters ! Imagine 1-2 more Q's. This is unheard of. They are no longer a value at 1 cent.
1 cent is way overvalued with only 6 k subscribers last filing.
Any way you work the true numbers, GZFX is heading well under a penny.
The argument for value was lost when JF added 25 billion Authorized shares. He was even bold enough to make billions Outstanding on the last day of the quarter. He is mocking the market and making all of the money.
GZFX has a clan of people on the boards that defend their every move. Well, if losing money is appealing, then keep defending them. Time to ask the difficult questions.
Now bash me as usual and take attention away from the company heading below a penny because of JF's blunder.
Diverting attention to BMI only tables a discussion on addressing the Dilution issue.
The market is speaking to you loud and clear. Listen this time.
all imo.
Wick, well said ! The messengers on the board all were on the same page.
We can only play with the cards that are ultimately dealt.
You need to be quick when the plans change.
JF has created the flippers when he did the 25 billion Authorized Shares ahead of CC. The big pop theory on CC news is behind us. And the company is a year off from results. Many fear dead money for a year or so.
And the looming question is when the Reverse Split is coming.
In essence, adjust with the timing or lose money.
Many were also expecting the 2 for 1 rocket ride too. 1 came exactly as planned and the other is on hold. (fancy timing yet again by JF).
So take what the market gives you. And be fast now that GZFX is lined up on the Ask selling shares for cash. They end most rallies. Kind of a double standard.
The fluffy PR today cannot hold up GZFX. The chart is absolutely headed below a penny.
Seems that many are waiting to make a decision with the Q filing selloff. And they are hanging around as it could come early again. Quarter ended in March.
all imho.
4-7 post is a week after the OLD post you discuss. This tells the updated story.
How could I be any more clear ?? Those that were willing to adjust saved 20% yet again.
Nothing wrong with changing. The market changes by the minute.
I posted it publicly, so changing should not be an issue.
You must change with the cards dealt when real money is at stake. Especially with JF running the show. Think of all the interviews where JF and Chip say one thing and do another. Guess what, their salaries both increased to around $ 200,000.00 plus stock.
The newer post was public courtesy. So noone can bash me. It was posted 20% higher !!
Quit being bitter. Distracting the conversation about the poster to take away from a declining stock is Pumper101. We are on to all of your games.
Pumping as a price falls each day is the worst kind of manipulation.
all imo.
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Posted by: big_money_insiders
In reply to: PeeVeeCee who wrote msg# 145640 Date:4/7/2006 10:47:27 AM
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Exactly, PVC ! (*Without quality news), the chart shows us heading .009's within weeks. Or on the Q filing.
It is on the chart, so no reason to bash me if you cannot read TA. The Chartists can confirm this.
So hope for some some quality news. Perhaps some fluff coming at any time. This only helps as a temporary fix. VOD, e-golf, etc.
No way I will hold into the Q. It will show you exactly what I am talking about with the low sub count. And Quarter ended in March.
Without news, support has broken, imo. And I trade on support triggers, always taking the emotion out of the transaction. .012 was the support. It only bounced off it the past few days. Sure, it may bounce up there again. But lower highs and lower lows until big news, imo. And any news can pop it. But sustain is another question.
Perhaps will revisit on the selloff after the Q. I cannot trust that they will not release it early just like the 10K was. And this is the main factor in conserving principal.
No news can pop it enough to make it worthwhile at this time. AAFES is huge, but the market does not know AAFES like it knows CC.
So many great trading opportunities out there with low floats. Too many shares to move GZFX much as evident by the CC announcement. Sure it dinged .0209, but fell all the way back rapidly. No support was ever established that high.all imo. And GZFX has added more to the A/S since that time.
So let's be realistic about the stock price for GZFX. The trade was on the big news. Sure small gains can come with fluffy PR's, but flippers will rush to get out. So many are waiting to get out on the next press release, imo.
The risk absolutely outweighs the rewards before the 10Q.
Good luck and hope for a PR.
JF and Chip have changed the plan numerous times in their favor. You afraid to call and question them? Guess hiding behind a computer screen is easier. Ask them about the timing of AAFES. They love the double PR.
Shareholders must also be aware of JF's history and adjust their plan accordingly. AAFES is a big deal for GZFX, (but now not the stock price, make sense ?)
Those unwilling to change a plan on a dime (when new facts are presented) deserve to lose money.
So pulling up old posts make no sense when newer posts tell the story.
The post following the one you allude to was a sell, 20% higher than today. Not listening has cost you yet again.
Some are so bitter about losing money here. They take the jealous rage out on posters that present the current truth.
Now answer, why would anyone hold when TA says under a penny very soon ?
And what possibly can keep the price up with the Q coming ??
all imho. ** Dart, send me your e-mail for an answer to the PM.
Simple, JF changed the plan. So now AAFES is not going to be a pop like before.
You must play the cards that are dealt. Call and ask JF about AAFES. I cannot control his timing.
JF is known for the double PR that lightens the luster.
It is now known and priced in. The market viewed it on the website and did not care.
Sure, AAFES is big for GZFX, but the market could care less.
Get it now ? And I announced a sell 20% higher than this when the information changed.
You must change quickly with the facts that are presented when real money is at stake.
Argue with JF and the charts, not the messenger.
Please answer why anyone would hold into the Q with the TA showing sub penny ?
all imo.
Down on news ? TA shows gap will be filled soon from pre-CC price. Argue with the chart, not the messenger.
Many are only holding until .01 breaks, then rapid selling.
The new pot of 25 billion shares certainly is taking its toll, thank JF and Chip for that.
You will soon see on the 10Q the lack of subs, increase in shares and frivolous spending.
Please explain why anybody would hold into the Quarterly filing?
Especially, knowing the price fell 50 Percent immediately on the last filing.
all imo.
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