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matt, I can't read your post
It keeps timing out on me. Can someone email it to me mmmaryinla@aol.com then I can at least read it and maybe reply.
I can read other posts so maybe your post is long? or so I've been told
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we all have character flaws
we are all humans
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I didn't say I would say who he is
I cannot say. I was just wondering if she knew from whom she was copy/pasting information. Heck, stock promoter kathy on npct used to copy/paste me til she learned who I was and what I felt about npct. She used to copy/paste all my TK research before that. Now she just uses my research and sources and calls it her own.
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true about guts behind the computer
I have debated motorcycle stocks for a while. I know all the companies, employees, products... Some of the employees would get on the board and threaten me. They said if they ever saw me FTF they would give me a piece of their mind and their fist. I then told them exactly where I'd be at the next motorcycle event. I was nervous showing up, looking around. Then I saw the guy and went right up to him and said hello. He said nothing and slowly walked away. Since then no one even bothers to show up. I go to the shareholder meetings and the employees who threatened me say nothing when they said they'd kick my behind if I even showed up. I say these exact same things about these companies on the phone to people who call and in person. Turns out a lot of SI people are local to me and I met up with them. The ones who dislike me never show up. Funny how that is.
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Agreed, bull
It's easy to go to a board and post positively and make tons of friends instantly even if you just post something stupid like "i like astn." All the promoters and longs in love will be very nice to you and say things like "great post! Thanks! welcome aboard!"...
If you go to a board and copy/paste an honest negative public news item, watch out. People will be calling you every name in the book, threatening to kill you, posting your home address, spamming your email boxes... I think it takes a lot more guts to post the negatives than the positives by far. Most people who post a negative get bashed off the boards with the attacks. You really have to be sure of your posts and yourself in order to stay and take the abuse.
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with ASTN, price up before bad news
A lot of suspect companies behave this way. Right before delisting they went up. Right before deciding to increase shares from 100M to 250M they went up. Right before other bad news they went up. Then the news hits and it goes down to where it was before. I don't know if the company intentionally leaks positive rumors before bad news or if someone is just manipulating the trades. Generally right before bad news all the promoters and longs in love start posting a lot. We shall see what comes next week. Maybe it was just the people who converted all those shares making a little move of their own.
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I already read the site, sara
I was asking YOU who he is. Do you know who he is?
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This is know, bullrider
I actually don't even like young guys. I like men.
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sara, who is otcbbpulse.com? who owns it?
have they been compensated in anyway? I notice that they provide consulting and investor relations work for otcbb companies.
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funny how my posts are beneath people
when they just don't want to reply
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matt, have you sent anyone to jail yet?
for personal attacks? obscenity? spam? I'm curious how your enforcement is going.
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sara, could you please post my astn dd in ibox?
here it is http://www.mary.cc/astn or I can put it in a post.
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The courts state that all are opinions
expression of freedom of speech. All sites warn that they are merely opinions and should not be relied upon in investing. What is the problem? You guys like to fight about semantics.
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I am not dishonest
Everyone knows that ALL that we post is opinions. My opinions have been shown to be correct as to the ultimate outcome of some public companies. The links and copy/paste from independent news and SEC articles are all independent. All I do is say "I believe this company is a bad investment" then I post all my links. They are straight from the government sites, especially the SEC docs and lawsuits. All of my calls have been correct so far. I have not lied here. I'm not the one saying that "NPCT is the besssssst! they're intalks with infineon." "ASTN to the mooooooon. Merger talks! Knight will buy us out."
You guys just don't like me personally. Fine. You don't like negative talk. You'd rather the world be a rosy place to live with only great positive calls. Don't read my posts and don't reply to me. Use some willpower.
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xxray, tony won the lawsuit
go take a look. You should have checked ot make sure your information was current first. The ruling came t hrough a few days ago. It's on tony's thread on SI. Not only was he found not guilty, but they even said in court documents that his information is right on.
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Here is my ihub dd post
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=240195
just so you can see that it's full of links to independent sites and information. I can't believe that you can accuse me of not providing links when you never even looked at my dd which has been posted before and not only in my site.
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Read the TOU: ALL IS ONLY OUR OPINION
from ihub
"Messages posted by individuals may be misleading, deceptive, or in error. If you disagree with a posting, feel free to voice your opinion."
from yahoo
"These messages are only the opinion of the poster, are no substitute for your own research, and should not be relied upon for trading or any other purpose."
from SI
"Go2Net assumes no responsibility for the accuracy, currency, completeness or usefulness of information, views, opinions or advice in any material on a message board contained on this Web site. In addition, it does not endorse any opinions or recommendations posted by others. The information posted here is the responsibility of the person or persons posting the message."
from RB
"DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ
Our members strive to engage in enlightening, useful conversations about investments. You will also find lots of opinions some of them very helpful, some of them just plain wrong. In addition, members may post information that is biased, misleading or false. When it comes right down to it, you are responsible for the decisions you make about your own money. Never trust a single information resource, whether a post on this Web site or a stock tip by the water cooler."
Also read recent court rulings in relation to message board posts. They are legally considered statements of opinion only and are protected under freedom of speech.
10/18/2001 16:15 by Electronic Frontier Foundation
Seattle -- In a precedent-setting ruling on free speech in
cyberspace, a federal court in Seattle yesterday upheld the right
to speak anonymously on the Internet. U.S. District Court Judge
Thomas Zilly quashed a subpoena seeking to force an Internet
service to disclose the identity of persons who spoke
anonymously on an Internet message board. The American Civil
Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Electronic Frontier Foundation
(EFF) represented J. Doe, one of the anonymous speakers, in
blocking the subpoena.
The subpoena was filed by 2TheMart.com, Inc., which is currently
defending itself against a class-action lawsuit alleging the
company engaged in securities fraud. The subpoena requested
that InfoSpace turn over the identities of 23 speakers who used
pseudonyms in participating on the Silicon Investor Web site
owned by InfoSpace.
The ruling is the first of its kind nationally in a case involving
anonymous speech by a third party. The case differs from many
other Internet anonymity cases because J. Doe, who used the
pseudonym "NoGuano," is not a party to the case, and no
allegations of liability against Doe have been made. While Doe
does maintain a Silicon Investor account, Doe never made any
statements about 2TheMart, nor has Doe ever posted on Silicon
Investor's 2TheMart message board.
"This is an important ruling for free speech on the Internet. The
court recognized that you should be able to express opinions
online without having to worry your privacy will be invaded
because of a lawsuit that has nothing to do with you," said Aaron
Caplan, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union, an
organization with an 80-year history of defending freedom of
speech. "You have the right to speak anonymously on an Internet
b ulletin board just as you have the right to distribute a leaflet
using a pseudonym," added Caplan. Caplan argued the case on
behalf of J. Doe before the Court.
"By ruling for Doe, Judge Zilly has sent a clear message that the
courts will not tolerate lawsuits designed to chill online speech,"
said Lauren Gelman, director of public policy for the Electronic
Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties organization working to
protect rights in the digital world. "We hope that this decision will
force companies to think twice before they issue subpoenas, and
encourage users to step forward and protect their rights if they
receive a subpoena."
The ACLU and EFF argued that the Court should adopt the same
test currently used to determine whether to compel identification
of anonymous sources of journalists or members of private
organizations. Under that test, the Court must first determine
whether the person seeking the protected private information (in
this case 2TheMart.com) has a genuine need for the information
in the context of the case and cannot discover the information any
other way. If so, the Court must then balance the harm to the
anonymous speakers against the plaintiff's need to discover the
identity of the speaker. Anonymity should be preserved unless
the identity of the anonymous person is clearly shown to be of
central importance to the case. In his ruling, Judge Zilly said that
the information sought by the subpoena clearly was not central to
the case of 2TheMart.com.
2TheMart.com was a fledgling company that intended to launch
an online auction house. After its stock price plunged in 1999, a
number of investors sued for securities fraud, alleging that the
company had misled them about its prospects. Like many
Internet start-ups, 2TheMart.com had a number of people who
chatted about the company on investor-related bulletin boards.
One of these bulletin boards was operated by Silicon Investor, a
Web site now owned by Seattle-based InfoSpace. The postings
were made under 23 different user names, including "The
Truthseeker," "Edelweiss," and "NoGuano."
J. Doe was represented by ACLU staff attorney Aaron Caplan and
Cindy Cohn, legal director for EFF. InfoSpace also submitted a
brief supporting the right of its users to speak anonymously, and
Brent Snyder of Perkins Coie argued the case before Judge Zilly
on behalf of InfoSpace.
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I cite same sources, northwest
Where do you think I got the format? I followed truth, tony, auric, pluvia and asensio.
look at my dd posts
http://www.mary.cc/astn
http://www.mary.cc/npct
http://www.mary.cc/umcc
http://www.mary.cc/wbn
http://www.mary.cc/tk
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Content vs Style
How do you feel about tony's posts and reports? http://www.insidetruth.com How do you feel about the language in his reports talking about turd nuggest stocks and scammy CEO's and cra* P** stocks? Do his reports bother you as much as mine?
Here are some posts of his
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/profile.gsp?id=4899810
His calls have always been very good. What is more important? The content or the style? If you're investing, would you rather see an eloquent poster who is generally wrong or a colorful poster who is generally right?
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EVERYTHING we post is ONLY our OPINION. This is a given. Please see recent court rulings and the TOU agreement which you agreed to when you signed up here. If you state that any fool should not invest based on the opinion of stock promoters then any fool should not invest based on my opinion or yours either.
If you would like to rewrite all of my posts to make them more palatable to you, feel free. Better yet, you dont' like my style, don't read them. I most certainly do not post for you.
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xxray, you are taking the post personally
and reading into it much too much. My style is, how shall I put this politely, a tad more colorful than most. It doesn't mean that it's bad or wrong. If you don't like my style, fine. Your personal preference. I will not be changing my style to make you happy. My message is not even meant for you anyway so I don't know why you bother to read my posts. My posts are for newbie investors who have been lulled into a bad investment by a suspect entity such as a suspect company or promoter. If I were polite and just stated "this company is not a good ivnestment because" while the promoters are stating "huge returns! we will all drive expensive sports cars! $50 by noon!!" my message will be completely lost. Heck, I was polite with the umcc posts and that investor didn't listen. Nowadays, more people listen.
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The guy was still fooled
He had John Westergaard and his resume along with the CEO an attorney against me, someone who just has a good track record for spotting bad investments and fraud. Who's he gonna believe? He believed that because West was a "financial advisor" with a license from the SEC and because the CEO was an attorney with an active license, they wouldn't dare lie to him in writing and risk legal liability. You also had the touts posing as his friend pretending to be regular investors. You and I can clearly see through this but some people can't.
I don't think it's right to take advantage of kids, disabled, elderly, mentally retarded, overly trusting souls, people in love... In real estate sales I can't tell you how many times I could have totally ripped off my clients because they were too trusting. I most certainly never did. Most of my clients were minorities and the elderly, the ones most often ripped off. This is why I feel for these people. When I'd see people try to rip them off, it'd get me mad. I guess I just like to stick up for the little guy. What these con men are doing is still absolutely illegal besides being immoral.
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I will continue to post on other boards
So please quit trying to put me in my own little tiny obscure corner of ihub. I must post on the other boards to counter misleading press releases or dd posts by paid touts or independent hypesters. I need the message to get to the investors not people who want to play stock scams. If people don't care to read my posts on those boards, they can use some will power and not click on them.
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I will get people to scam board
by posting the information on the boards I'm outing. My real purpose is to get the information to the ivnestors. I don't care about traffic on the scam site though it would be nice to share other outs, articles, news items, dd tips, information resources...
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northwest, I don't think fools deserve it
I met a real nice elderly gentleman on umcc. He was smart, worked hard, saved for his retirement properly. He heard about a great investment, the next HDI. He wanted to get in on the ground floor. The stock promoter Westergaard said it was safe, a sure thing. He didn't say anything like it would go to $50 from $2. He said it'd go from $2 to $3 in a year and was safe. The guy invested his money.
The touts that followed Westergaard hyped it up also. They, Westergaard, the CEO of the company, the marketing person, would email the old guy pretending to be his friend, telling him to buy more at every dip, have faith, patience will be rewarded. The touts and west bashed me like crazy, threatened to sue me daily, spammed my email boxes, lied and said the ceo was suing me... All teh while I told him the projections made no sense. I'm close to the company and knew 25% of the employees and tons of their competitors, suppliers, dealers, bike buyers. I posted emails showing that they weren't paying their bills, were only building a few bikes with problems... I showed absolute proof. The guy still bought more...and lost it all. He lost his retirment money and said he'd rather kill himself then tell his wife. He called me up crying. To hear an old man cry is horrible. This man did not deserve to lose his money. He was a very trusting kind person. Everyone snookered him. Because there were so many of them including the ceo and west had credentials, he believed them. Then the guy went missing. I called his house and his wife said he took nothing and left. This guy didn't deserve it. Some people, trusting people, kids, disabled, need to be protected. That's why the SEC tries to prevent this type of fraud. It is illegal and wrong. I don't think anyone deserves it.
I will do all that I can to prevent this. Quite a few people who saw my posts thanked me and acted upon my advice and saved money. I have a ton of thank you emails. I get a ton of thank yous from npct investors and astn investors as well. They don't post it on the boards as they don't want to get bashed and some just read and don't post.
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xxray, I have never said "this company is a P**"
I have said that the ceo is a liar then I proved it by showing his promises and projections online and his actual results or later contradictions.
Trust me, when I first started out I was extremely polite on the boards. I still got attacked personally. Read that article the journalist wrote. He was bashed instantly as well. That is one thing that promoters are trained to do. Bash all negative posts. Hopefully if you attack them enough, they'll leave. If not, the fishies will at least be suckered into thinking they are bad people posting lies not to be believed.
Another thing. If the negative poster is a male, they will call him a homosexual. If it's a female, they will call her a slut. They will attack anything and everything about them. That is how they are able to fool the others into buying into bad investments. It also has to do with longs and fishies who have fallen in love with a bad investment. It's like calling their mama ugly. They get going.
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koikaze, that is a wives tale
"bashers" "hypesters" don't get paid by response. That's from the made up bashers handbook that hypesters use to bash honest negative posters and to influence their little fishies. How could you even add up all the replies anyway? I have never even heard of a negative poster getting paid to post. Go check out sec.gov internet enforcement litigation releases. Notice all the lawsuits are against lying paid company hypesters or independent pump and dumpers who post misleading positive things. I don't see any there against paid bashers. The closest you will come to it is the guy who posted a fake negative press release and analyst report. That of course is very wrong and I'm glad the SEC went after the guy.
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bop, the board is still there
matt did not suspend me from it. That is untrue. I just posted a link to it so go check it out. Read the ibox. I left because he just allowed everyone to attack me. I would go say post about the tmotq scam and a certain tout would then go to my scam board and bash me personally.
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I will start a new stock scam board
AND I will continue to post on other boards as well. You see xray if a person is looking for information on say npct because they just heard about it, why would they go to some obscure stock scam board that they've never heard of before? I must post the information on the stock board that I'm researching or the newbies won't see it and they will be suckered in and lose money. I know that some here feel that if investors are dumb enough to believe lying misleading stock promoters and pump and dumpers that they deserve to lose their money but I don't feel that way. No one deserves to be conned like that. What's really sad is that the people who get conned aren't just greedy young people who know it's a momo play. They are generaly older less sophisticated retired people who were brought up in an era where you believed what people had to say.
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Look at my old stock scam board
Just personal attacks and invasion of privacy against me. Matt just let everyone attack me and post my real name, home address, phone number...
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=610
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this is what happens when people make negative comments
this writer sums it up well.
A Requiem for the message boards
Once a boards enthusiast, our columnist explains why he's had it.
By David Futrelle
If you ever feel like making a lot of enemies in a hurry, wander onto the message boards at Yahoo!, Silicon Investor or Raging Bull and say something less than flattering about, oh, any stock you feel like. It doesn't matter if that company's CEO has fled to the Caymans with his hairdresser and a briefcase full of Ben Franklins. If you persist in your criticism for more than a post or two, you'll quickly find yourself the least popular person at the party. In fact, you'll find yourself labeled a "basher"--roughly the equivalent of being charged with high treason.
Stock message boards have long been celebrated as a democratizing force in the world of finance. This is a crock. They are democracies only if you share the same rosy opinions as everyone else there. Whenever a basher speaks up (and basher, mind you, is liberally defined--it can apply not just to a poster who accuses a company chairman of pedophilia but to anyone who might note that 120 times earnings is an awful lot to pay for a share of Cisco) you can be sure that someone (or a half-dozen someones) will tear into him with all the subtlety of Mao's Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution.
It's a truism on the boards that anyone who has anything critical to say about a company must be a short-seller (an investor who has placed a bet that a stock will go down rather than up). Perhaps this is true. But many basher-bashers have also convinced themselves that most stock critics are the minions of vast (usually unnamed) short-selling cabals that pay handsomely for pessimistic posts. Various documents purporting to explain "How Bashers Get Paid" circulate widely. One claims that bashers are paid (by whomever or whatever it is that pays them) according to the number of replies their posts generate. "A basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each," says the anonymous text.
Basher paranoia is somewhat more understandable on the penny-stock boards, where stock manipulation is rampant. But there the real problem isn't the bashers--it's the boosters. In a pump-and-dump scheme, hypesters buy a worthless stock, tout it incessantly and then dump their holdings for a quick profit after enough suckers have piled on. Strangely enough, while the Securities and Exchange Commission has brought plenty of cases against Net pump-and-dumpers in the past few years, it has yet to find a single bash-for-pay conspiracy in action.
Since they stand to gain when others lose, it is easy to demonize stock bashers and short-sellers, to see them as "black of heart," as Wall Street wag Fred Schwed put it in his 1940 classic Where are the Customers' Yachts? After all, isn't it somehow un-American to hope a company fails, somehow evil to want a stock to go down? Maybe so, but even Schwed affirmed that a wide diversity of opinions on stocks is better than a single Pollyannaish view. "Dictatorships always immediately ban short-selling, since it is axiomatic that no professional pessimists are going to be tolerated," Schwed quipped at a time when Americans had good reasons to worry about foreign dictators. "But whatever the reader may think of totalitarian philosophy in general, I do not think he will envy them for the condition of their security markets."
Just three or four years ago, stock message boards promised to become a liberating force, a public forum free from the tyranny of the experts, where investors could go to compare notes on stocks and hash out disagreements about valuations. Today the boards can only be regarded as a failed experiment. Remember the so-called Iomegans at the Motley Fool during the late 1990s--the herd of investors who convinced themselves that a small computer disk-drive manufacturer in Utah was the next Microsoft and then proceeded to follow the stock off a cliff? That may have been the first indication that stock evaluation is not best done by committee. And these days it's hard to find any message board that hasn't degenerated into an embarrassing squabble between dogmatic longs and beleaguered (if equally dogmatic) shorts. For most serious investors, it can finally be said: Stock message boards are an utter and total waste of time.
At its root, the boards' problem rests with their mix of unquestioning, optimistic conviction and intolerance of dissent. These are two qualities you can find in many moments of America at its worst. The mandatory positivity many posters want to enforce is reminiscent of the blandly dogmatic (and thus menacing) Boosters' Clubs satirized by Sinclair Lewis in his 1922 novel Babbitt. The clubs, fraternal organizations for gung-ho local businessmen, offered "Booster Brothers" a place they go could go to exchange business cards and snappy pleasantries--so long as they didn't suggest that anything was less than peachy keen. Never was heard a discouraging word--it was practically in the bylaws. There was quite a bit of this sort of boosterism in the '20s. You may recall how that decade ended.
http://www.money.com/money/depts/websmart/webwatch/archive/000725.html
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Yes, xxray, people have suggested it
it still won't keep me off the boards I post about. I can do both so don't get your hopes up that I will post the negative truths about suspect companies only on my board where the investors of suspect companies can't see them.
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Koikaze, ooh la la!
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Yes, my posts are always factual
that is why stock promoters and hypesters hate me and personally attack. After they attack me for a while I start fighting back then I end up in the slammer. When the promoters attack you personally, you know you're onto something good. When they don't reply to any of the facts in your post, you got em.
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Good points, matt
Yes, make sure you have plenty of links to prove your points to SEC documents, news item, company sites, other people's posts... When you link to a press release, keep a copy of it as they get deleted quickly. Same thing with news stories. That is why I have my dd sites. Also, run management through pacer and dig up any related lawsuits. Pick apart their resumes and see if they worked with any other suspect companies or people. Most posters are too lazy to check out your post without links in them. I checked it out just because I'm into that sort of thing. I've also noticed that a lot of suspect companies are related through promoters, management, products... Now get out there and bash them! Um, I mean, post your honest well thought out negative opinion
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I better not respond to you joe
or I might get suspended :-P
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I would like to lodge a complaint!!!
why are there no sexy young guys in the ibox? Both sides should be represented. It's only fair matt
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Thanks for advice bullrider
Hopefully I won't even have to mention other poster's names and will just be able to express my opinion on the stocks alone.
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News release
Patriot Motorcycle Corporation Successful Product Launch in Hawaii
CORONA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 8, 2002--Patriot Motorcycles Corporation (OTCBB:PMCY - news), a designer, manufacturer and distributor of hybrid motorcycles and motorcycle accessories, announced today that it launched the introduction of it product line in conjunction with Pacific Rim Cycle in the Hawaiian Islands.
Pacific Rim Cycle is one of the premier motorcycle dealers with locations throughout the state of Hawaii.
``We are pleased that our Patriot motorcycles were introduced to motorcycle enthusiasts as part of Pacific Rim Cycle's Annual Holiday Run,'' said Patriot Motorcycle CEO and President Michel Attias. ``As part of Patriot's agreement with Pacific Rim Cycle the dealership will be provided with at least $2 million in inventory over the next twenty four months.''
Mr. Attias, added that, ``Patriot is currently working with over 45 dealers in North America, Puerto Rico, Mexico and South America and we are very excited about the support and commitment that Pacific Rim Cycle has made to the Patriot product line.''
Patriot Motor Cycle has launched its 2002 media and advertising campaign with advertisements in publications such as Full Throttle, Hot Bikes and Cycle Traders. As part of its agreement with Patriot, Pacific Rim Cycle will be launching a local media program featuring the Patriot line of motorcycles.
About Patriot Motorcycles Corporation
Patriot exclusively uses the Harley-Davidson(TM) twin-cam 95 cubic inch engine, Harley-Davidson transmissions and 'Screamin Eagle' pistons. Patriot designs all of its motorcycles based on performance, quality and price. Patriot, through their dealer organization, provides a four-year limited manufacturer's warranty that is transferable and can be extended for seven years. Currently Patriot features three rigid-frame models including the Fury, Fury SE (limited edition) and Chopper; four rubbermount-frame models, including the Menace RC, Phantom, Predator and Stalker; and six softail models including the Big Easy 1800, Big Easy 2500, Babylon 1800, Babylon 2500, Menace SC and the Raider SSE (limited edition). To learn more about Patriot Motorcycles, visit the company's web site at www.patriotmotorcycles.com.
Safe Harbor
The statements in this press release that relate to future results, market penetration, projected revenue growth and profitability trends, are forward-looking statements. These forward looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties associated with demand for the company's products and services, development of markets for the Company's products and services as well as other risks identified in the Company's SEC filings. Actual results, events and performance could differ materially. Readers are therefore cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date of this news release. Patriot Motorcycles Corporation undertakes no obligation to release publicly the result of any revisions to these forward-looking statements that may be made to reflect events or circumstances after the date hereof or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.
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Contact:
Patriot Motorcycles Corporation
Michel Attias, 909/735-2682
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You know me matt
I post honest negative news that people don't want to hear so they just try and shoot the messenger. After I sit there and keep getting shot while I report the shots and nothing happens to the shooters, it starts to get frustrating. Then and only then does the conversation start to disintegrate into personal attacks. If you take care of the people shooting me, I don't have a problem. Notice how nice I am on SI.
FTR I made a positive call three days ago. SAH. They're up 17% to $24. They will go to $30 shortly. I follow them closely and get a copy of the employee newsletter as well, which is legal.
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