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art. there are a handful of posters whose belief that biel will be successful will persist long after the
company ceases to exist.
they are the lucky ones. what's so great about reality? at least when it comes to something stuck trading below
.0004 until it finally expires?
biel isn't doing a thing.
there isn't a morsel of evidence that biel has any workers, any employees. an office.
kelly has claimed on social media that she is working. really? at what? in what way? in a cafe out of a briefcase? for biel?
biel hasn't provided shareholders a molecule of verifiable info in ages.
i've said it before: i do not think shareholders, of which i am one, will ever hear anything nor read another pr again.
biel really only exists in the minds of a few dozen people who remain emotionally tied to an entity that ceased to function
even remotely like a publicly traded company a long long time ago.
keep the faith bielievers! you're the lucky few!!!!
ted, nor am i, nor am i.
don't agree or disagree with any reason for your skepticism or suspicion. things appear to you, much as they appear to
me--and to the market. at the same time i'm skeptical of my skepticism...there is just so much we don't know,
so much we're unable to find out.
i thought when i bought that i was buying low--i was very very wrong. now i'm down so much i feel stuck, stuck with my
fraying hopes.
how strange and crappy it is to think any day could be the day--for many months now. whaddya gonna do?
micro. i'm inclined to agree with you and x about a buyout. what price would satisfy you and is that the same as
what you think they might get?
ballpark is fine. thanks...
ted. you are sensible, rational about many matters related to business, photonics, and lightwave. for reasons i'm not
privy to, even your best posts draw wrath and ridicule from certain other posters, who, like me, have a serious
interest in seeing lightwave become commercially successful. i sure hope you're wrong about what lightwave
has to offer technologically right now, and how close they are to making deals with much much bigger companies.
i also am not privy to your motivations for continuing to post so much into such an angry, hostile environment
like this message board. likewise, i'm in the dark about why your antagonists, like proto and xena, bother responding
as they do to you specifically, or why they spend so much energy and time generally for years repetitiously boosting
lwlg's accomplishments and its prospects. mutual provocation? something to do? ??????
i guess i do not understand message boards. i certainly am anxious and sometimes agonized by the pps and
consequently by the money i'm losing. i'd be better off if i simply stopped reading all posts--then again, because
i keep reading, maybe my reading is the same as you all posting, something we can't help doing.
huge shrug!
if only the company provided updates routinely. doing it through social media would be fine if they don't want
to pay for prs.
sadly, they move as they always have: that is, barely; or they remain still, no forward motion, no positive
momentum.
is it same old same old? very probably.
guys. how is it possible, what does it even mean to be negative about a company trading at .0003? a company that has been
uncommunicative for many months? a company with 25 billion! shares, mostly held by a ceo whose family owns this
publicly traded company? a company with big note-holders? a company that won't/can't file financials? and on, and on, and...
then turn the whole thing around: how is it possible, what does it even mean to be positive about a company trading at .003?
a company that etcetera etcetera etcetera.
go kelly: where to?
go biel: what conceivable scenario?
either way, enjoy fellas, enjoy. might as well, what the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
srin. it takes 3 bucks to keep this thing from going to .0001 and below that.
the sky fell a long time ago on biel. it hasn't been able to gain any traction as a company or a stock. i doubt
you have any idea how to assess the health of a business because if you could you'd see that biel has
enough going against it to prevent a half dozen companies from having any chance at success. oh,
and then there is the whelan family and the ceo, kelly whelan. the moves she hasn't made since her
inherited ascension could be used as textbook examples of how to fail managing a business.
i've no way of knowing what shares you hold or if you own any, but if you're holding a substantial amount,
i salute you in the same spirit as i salute myself...
mis. not expecting? where else has this been going for years now?
the dump was a whelan proxy selling/paying good old kelly 30-32 grand. get what money can be gotten before
biel goes pffft.
how do some of you not catch on?
folks, evidently the market isn't impressed by the award.
lebby reports that conversations between lightwave and potential customers have been going on--well, they've
been going on for quite some time now. it's not possible to understand why no deal has closed and the market
reflects skepticism about how appealing the tech is to potential customers.
youngkim. you look at biel from any angle and you say go kelly and think biel has one chance in a trillion of ever
climbing to .001? and then you use the word intelligence? omg.
i'm fine people maintaining hope when there isn't a single rational reason to do so. that's the unbreakable, unshakable human spirit.
totally misplaced, but sort've beautiful nonetheless.
but to think???!!! kelly whelan has done one smart or competent or creative thing since she took over--that's something else.
biel has been on fumes for a very long time.
if it survives until thanksgiving, even at .0001, i will be very surprised. if it were possible, i'd bet any of you bielievers any amount
of money that this dies finally...that's the only way i'd ever make money on biel holding millions of worthless shares as i do.
a misguided investment made because the products are good and the pain space is vast and opioids were getting vilified...
however...
the company simply has to continue to develop and move forward. it seems they are nicely positioned to
make a big jump if a couple of promising developments occur. i mean a jump above a penny. if they are
diluting instead of working off revenues, this makes everything tougher. all depends on the abilities and
honesty of management, plus what germany does about cannabis law.
glta--i'm hopeful
art. the death knell has been ringing for years. there are a small handful who just can't or won't hear it.
this will zero out before thanksgiving.
too bad. the products are good...
proto. i've long realized i do not understand you at all.
please explain: you're exploding with enthusiasm for the presentation. to you it spells enormous success. the company has
arrived, it's about to be the next big thing.
the pps is 4.23 having dropped almost every day for months. the presentation is now in the public domain, available to the tens
of thousands who could be interested and who have at least a passing comprehension of the industry in general and
lightwave in particular.
yet after hours, it hasn't traded up a single penny. not one red cent. you could have traded it up--why wouldn't you jump at
this chance? those who interpret things the way you do could have traded it up. but it hasn't moved one penny.
it seems hardly possible. if your exploding confidence is even remotely, minimally warranted, wouldn't there be something
happening?
the only possibility i can think of is that there is an absolute disconnect between you and the world of people who want to make
money. (other than the shorts, of course, who're rolling in it thanks to the relentless slide in value). who are you?
xena. why aren't you upset?
is there any pps drop that would get you upset? any amount of silence? anything?
i'm trying to hold tight.
nrdc92. they're not brain dead, they're trying to hold it together while the evidence mounts red day after red day
that this might not be what they desperately, with deep deep conviction have believed it is. the silence, the
no deal, the knife-falling share price, it's agonizing and harrowing and possibly indicative of a disastrous
reality.
i know it's killing me.
3.50 by week's end? lower? 2.85? lower?
by november 10th this will be between $1 and $2 unless a deal is announced. only a deal with verifiable revenue will
prevent this.
lebby loves the science. the business, that is, us shareholders, allow him to do the science, go to conferences, hang out
with his friends and peers and colleagues around the world.
fluff prs followed by prolonged silences indicate he's okay with what is going on. investors, ha, big shoulder shrug.
nrdc92. i hate agreeing with you.
but how can i not?
on one side you have unshakable belief; on the other side there is what has been unfolding before our
very eyes for months (or years, if you prefer).
it's upsetting beyond words to lose so much money and to feel stuck as i lose more and more until ????
vein. green is not a color that corresponds to lightwave's situation; not until they announce a verifiable, revenue producing
deal.
posters post because it's something to do, not because they have anything new to say about what's going on with the company.
all the infighting has become purely personal, which is also something a lot of people find necessary and natural. how many
marriages do all of us know wherein bickering, even bitter fighting is how the partners relate?
we're all in a sort've vacuum now. will lebby pull us out? god i hope so!
soon? that doesn't seem likely. still, the sooner the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.0003 is the new status quo. but not for long (s).
.0002 is coming. .0001 will follow soon.
biel had that one spike to .008, otherwise it's been over for years.
that it has a following of diehard bielievers is sweet, and i hope your positivity continues even when kelly folds the tent. why not?
why not be attached to biel--at least it has a truly beneficial product line?
to me, you bielievers are the real winners.
those who see the company realistically, what is the point of their presence here? what do they get out of endlessly
pointing out the obvious, that this emperor has no clothes and never has, going back to good old pugnacious andy?
so keep on keeping on bielievers. when it comes to life you've got the right idea! i salute you!!!!!!
ted. i don't think lwlg will bounce around in the 4's.
right now it has lost whatever shine lebby's proclamations caused. it's open season on a company that has never
had substantiated revenue. there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of spec tech companies that looked like
the next big thing, then flamed out before disappearing completely. some even made it as prime time tv features.
lebby's esteemed position in photonics is meaningless--this is business, this is about greed and relationships
and being tiny against a universe of hostile goliaths.
that lebby and company have been scratching in the dirt for months now without a single customer, partner, or
big-time investor, makes lebby's timelines not just meaningless, but possibly actionable, as in fraudulent.
message boards are junk, a place where people can entertain themselves and each other. deception rules.
unstated agendas rule.
i screwed up terribly, i allowed myself to be bamboozled. beginning right now i'm cutting my destructive cord to all
message boards.
good luck to you, be well...
ok, i'm done here. it's infuriating.
yammer away know nothings, yammer away...
x99...longs are rapidly turning into bagholders. i've no idea what you really hold or what you really think. but it
doesn't matter one whit. lwlg is...
well, even you can see it, though like others here you are completely unable to understand what's happened these
last months.
and there is nothing lebby or the company can or will do. because if they could, they would.
it is so awful. sad and painful and awful.
yes vein. that's where it's headed and way faster than i anticipated.
and the spiral won't end there.
in fact, there is nothing to keep it from going into the toilet.
deals? yeah, right...
hammered.
all stocks are manipulated!
lwlg is perceived to be a company with no credibility...and could easily lose most of its value in the coming weeks.
it is awful, it is real, it is happening.
i deplore all you nutty explainers who know nothing about what matters to real investors...
rfk302. when you've lost the kind of dough i've lost here, and the people you recommended lwlg to have suffered the
losses they've suffered, causing a bit of strain in the relations, then the continuous downward slide might
well be described as 'hammered.'
but many of you live in a different world. money isn't prominent in your reasonings. losses aren't felt. it's just alternatively
an intellectual debate or an acrimonious opportunity to make personal insults.
none of that has the slightest interest to me.
when and what i post is purely on account of angst and anxiety about a company i believed in enough to invest a significant
amount in, an amount that is dwindling on a daily basis.
you and others have a different agenda...
meanwhile, it is getting hammered. as usual.
ted. it doesn't matter even slightly. not to anybody here, not to the company and its prospects. but i want you to know,
i happen to live in a world of finance pros and a small numbers of very astute, very wealthy investors. when i've
asked anyone of these guys to look at the posts about lwlg, which they wouldn't ever do unless asked as a favor, not only do
they uniformly agree with your assessments, they say they wouldn't touch lwlg with a 10-foot pole. it's not about
understanding the tech or what anyone thinks about dr. lebby, it's how the company behaves and the history. besides
which, the chart--omg, it's scary.
still, i myself don't get what your agenda is--why do you spend so much time here? who are you talking to?
proto. if there is no deal+revenue announced in october, this will drop into the one to two dollar range--if that.
since you and several others spend an absurd amount of your lives bickering about lwlg as it does nothing except
lose shareholder value, what in the world do you think you're achieving?
what everybody should be doing is emailing and tweeting the hell out of the company with questions, worries, and demands for
some form of communication with the shareholders who pay the bills--and those really creepy bonuses!
nrdc92--so painfully true.
lwlg drops and drops and not in drips and drabs either.
deals, revenue, they are the one and only issue, that is, if you are an investor wanting to make money.
as the pps slips towards the three dollar range, you guys bicker about each other.
nasdaq will send a letter; then, timber.
meanwhile, not a word from management because as far as communication with the public and shareholders especially,
they continue to frustrate with either fluff prs that send the pps down or lengthy silences. every suspicion is stoked and warranted.
unless you are a short, it's an agonizing company to invest in or put your faith in. has been for 20+ years.
the yammering continues unabated.
the silence continues ominously.
what fun.
so, this board has become an insult fest. no one knows anything concrete for sure, and the lines of supportive vs
disbelieving are drawn hard and fast, so what is there left to do? either repeat the same stuff along party lines or
insult the 'opposition.'
thus, among those investors or potential investors in lightwave i'm acquainted with, no one even reads the boards anymore--or at least
admits that they do.
i know i don't either. what burns me up this sunday night as i look ahead to the coming week is that i think it's more likely that the pps
will fall into the high three dollar range than that news of a deal will be announced.
bah humbug!
it hurts...
ruuds. bottoms? not even close. news? who knows? likely soon? doubtful. what to do? twist in the wind. options?
sell and take a huge loss. hold and twist and hope like crazy.
plan? forget about it and enjoy. long-term plan? none.
glta
nrdc92. you've been far more prescient than the lightwave enthusiasts on this and other message boards.
but at this point it's almost bad form to poke at proto, he's put so much time and energy and emotion into lightwave and everything
michael lebby.
the descent is happening much faster than i anticipated. by november this looks like it'll be below two bucks, possibly below one
dollar and evidently there isn't anything lightwave or lebby can or will do about it.
no significant entity seems interested in being a customer or partnering--why this is i've no idea. but if lebby had anything concrete, he'd
find a way to use it to steady the sinking pps instead of spouting off about 'ubiquitous.'
i've lost so much money i've sworn that never again will i even consider any outsider analysis when making an investment.
nrdc92, i've no idea whether you are a lightwave shareholder, let alone how big an investor you are, but you certainly saw right
through the hype, and identified the red flags for what they are.
thank you isn't in order because while i appreciated your hard-eyed view, i ignored it where it counts. $.
yes kinzaman, we sure would!
also, what's been going on for months, this steadily dropping pps, it really makes the size and the times of
those bonuses egregious. quite possible unethical. nothing has caused me to doubt lebby's managerial
abilities more.
he's having a great time at shareholder's expense--and he's set for life.
i'm glad for him, but embittered too...
i think without news of a deal this will drop into the two dollar range. and since the likelihood of news is dim and growing
dimmer by the week and by the month, things look grim for us longs. once nasdaq sends a non compliance notice
it'll be total open season as opposed to this agonizing drip torture.
no company would let this happen unless it couldn't do anything about it. lebby's excited proclamations are beginning to feel
like a kick in the teeth.
viking.
biel is on fumes, it's final fumes.
there are so many real viable companies, with legit executives, legit bods, doing actual business. biel has long been
a whelan operation, run by and for the family, of interest only to a group of never-say-die posters on
this and other message boards.
they should be left alone. their hopefulness, their belief, their optimism, it's worth at least as much as money. not
if you are a shareholder or a potential investor, but as a living, breathing human being.
except when i'm angry at myself for buying--and holding--biel, i envy them...
om, as if lightwave needed any more trouble. the company as an investment is in a downward spiral. management is silent in
terms of communicating to shareholders because only revenue, only some kind of verifiable deal with concrete numbers will
change the market's perception--on top of which, institutions are manipulating as they always do and shorts are cashing in on
this utterly vulnerable entity.
as low volumes indicate, longs are holding strong. however, one piece of really upsetting or outright bad news affecting the company's possible
implementation and widespread commercialization, and there will be a total eviseration.
it is such an anxious time to be holding here.
my fingers hurt from crossing them so tightly...