Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Sorry for your loss. Good luck in future investments. So I guess that means I can put you down for another no vote?
I stated it a few posts back. The vote should be whether shareholders that read here, IF they had the money...and that's a big if, because according to the Emu, last I heard, he wanted either $1 or $2 billion for vplm...so IF they had that kind of investment money, would they buy vplm (the patents)? I know it's a purely hypothetical question, as who's gonna have that kind of money? And it also requires total unbiased honesty to answer. That said, I think it's still an interesting question worth asking & answering, because it will show a comparison to what the bug dog Voip service providers have shown so far, which is that they don't think it's worth it to buy vplm. If all involved assume that the patents are indeed "ALL THAT", as has been described by vplm over the past 10 yrs or so, then OBVIOUSLY there would be at least SOME significant value & incentive for the big companies to buy the patents for a variety of revenue reasons,ie, stopping competitors, stopping the infringment lawsuits (and triple damages) & simply the total control of the vast internet communications industry. So all of above is POWER...VAST POWER!
So again, the vote I'd like to see is if you had that kind of money would you buy the patents? So far there are only 4 votes & they are all no votes except one person says "his group" would be in for $80k but that's not a valid vote because the asking price is 1 or 2 billion dollars . A sale for $800k would do nothing for shareholders. So it has to be at least a billion. So it's a fantasy question, but I think it still can be answered.
So how about you? Would you buy the company right now if you had access or control over 1 or 2 billion dollars? I think it's a good question & with enough replies, will show something.
And so for the next 17 long, dragged out mos, the pps will keep going down down down until all are underwater. And the Emu will have blue light specials for nickels & dimes which is yet more dilution & it will become a vicious cycle death spiral most likely.
Shame on the mess Emu
Let's see those votes now... No positive votes is very telling. Tells the story that just like the big dogs, no one is ready, willing or able to pay the BIG BIG bucks for a piece of junk. Not even hypothetically. Hell, they're not even willing to buy it for a song... Not even cheap money. It's just NOT WANTED, period, by anybody EXCEPT VPLM. They want to keep it IN DA FAMILY! They wanna keep the shares being handed out regularly as it's been for yrs & yrs!
Volm is digi & digi is vplm and they are the ONLY ones who ever wanted the patents cuz the patent "STORY" SELLS SELLS SELLS SHARES SHARES SHARES!
If there are not more votes on buy or no buy vplm if you had the 1 or 2 billion, it will be very telling imho & I will reveal what it tells.
I know, right? Lol. Everything is relative, esp vplm. They have their own special, "spooky action in the distance, relativity, eh?
Well, we began suing them (that's what trolls do) about 6 yrs ago & so far we sure havent gotten too far. Now there are trial dates & as usual, I predict monkey wrenches after monkey wrenches of delays, etc. This thing has still got some miles left on it. Stay tuned for many more episodes of (organ music, please...) "AS THE STOMACH CHURNS"!
C'mon now... I wanna see more votes. Where's the big businessmen who, if they had the $1-2 bil, would buy vplm? Or business managers who would at least vote for it to happen...i mean surely there MUST BE those who would buy vplm if it's so believed in....???
OK, let me modify it since I know none of you have the $1-2 billion & its hard to honestly even imagine. Ok, so let's modify it to if you only had a few $million instead of billions. Would you buy?
Thankyou for your response. That's 2 votes votes so far, 1 that would buy if the price were right & I'm waiting to here what that price would be & one (yours) that would not buy vplm (or its patent suite).
But there's problem with the other vote. I can't accept it as a "yes, but not for that amt of money" (I said I though Emus last price was $2 billion..) as buying for less (alot less) makes the vote a no vote. The whole idea about the value of vplm & whether or not big dogs buy it includes the BIG PRICE, not some bargain basement. In other words, if the patents suite is really "all that" and is able to garner $billions & $billions in revenues & damages & fines & such, then it's got to sell for no less than $1 billion. So that's the price I'm gonna set for the question, $1 billion.
So that essentially means that there are now 2 no buy votes, as I don't Emu would accept less than a billion (but who knows what he would do at this point?).
However, I'm still interested in knowing what the other voters "group" would pay...
Please keep the votes coming, as it can tell an important story w/enough honest votes.
So if you did have that kind of money (think about it) how much would you spend for vplm?
Maybe I better qualify my question better...
I think the last time Emu mentioned any price he would take, it was $2 billion, if I'm not mistaken...
I don't know what he would take, but let's just say that's the figure.
So the revised question is...
If that's the figure & your group had the moolah, would you buy it?
I wonder how many here would buy vplm (the company) if they had the money. It would be very interesting to hear yes's or no's.
Merry ChristmaHanuQuanzika & Happy Festivus to the rest of us, to all those that are deserving.
I understand that & I feel bad for you but at .0001, you'd be able to start immediately recouping at least some of your losses. That's 1/10th of a penny!
But let me be clear.. That is just some ridiculous bid or a mistake or something. The price is still over a penny..
Wait.....not even at .0001??? Hey, I vowed to never buy another share.....and I stuck to it for at least about 5 yrs..... BUT .0001??? how could you not, lol. You think if you did the company (an Emu wid a laptop in a pizza booth) would just "dissolve" like a star trek transporter? OMG
I should've added in my last post...
That the point I made is not scalable. That's very important. At far lower numbers, it's a very common question that could easily have numerous reasons as to why it might not make sense to buy or license...... BUT..BUT..BUT.. when you reach to upwards of a trillion dollars PLUS the sheer power of owning patents that control worldwide internet communications, well FOGET ABOUT IT...there's no more argument or qualifying necessary or appropriate....there's then no more question about it....you BUY IT, at all costs, PERIOD! HOW CAN A COMPANY LIKE APPLE OR GOOGLE, et al, POSSIBLY DENY THEMSELVES WORLDWIDE CONTROL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS DOMINION? You cannot answer that, so don't even try. Any answer other than buy it, would be fallacious...........
......UNLESS.....
the patents were not "all that".
All other intellectualizing about super lawyers & court venues & happy/mad judges, etc etc etc.......are simply MOOT POINTS
This argument is so strong, don't even get close to it w/o a radiation suit!
boomshaka
I can top that. The bid is .0001
Well kids, it all boils down to this afaic...
If you have paid attention to everything vplm (Emu wid a laptop) has said about the patents,then you know that they have basically valued the patents far in excess of (see pinky finger) ONE TRILLION DOLLARS and the FACT that not a single solitary Voip service provider (or other big investor) has ever made the purchase nor a single license sold, reveals that the patents are bogus.
Put it this way...
If (hypothetical) you had the money, would you buy vplm or take out a license, ALL things considered?
Lol. Apparently that's the general consensus. You have to consider the many years of evil emil influence upon thought processes at large. It rubs off methinks...???
Some have.. I think it depends alot on how long they've been around & how much they've studied all that has occurred. Many important posted facts are just ignored rather than considered as pertinent facts. There is a major lack of "fair & balanced" objectivity. Of course that affects reached conclusions.
Boy oh boy, those 12 IPR decisions certainly has taken vplm FAR! JUST LOOK AT THAT NEAR MISS OF 1 CENT EARLIER TODAY. I KNOW, I KNOW, ITS JUST MORE GOOD BARGAINS, SO SNAP EM UP BOYS!
Red herring arguments are valued the same as vplm patents, ie, zero, nada, zilch.
no Mas, no mas
Vplm's new credo...
Even if it takes 20 years or more, just HAVE FAITH IN THE PROCESS!
That includes, by default "patience is a virtue (hurtue) & by emusian decree, eliminates the claim that vplm is IN THE BEST POSITION EVER!
processtheprocessorbust
Disclaimer:
Please wait 1/2 hour after eating before processing
I just stopped in to process what the process has been processing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what condition that the process is in...
AT&T & Apple know all too well that vplm has nothing. They have to answer to the legal challenges tho, or lose by default.
Seems it's time for the annual reminder thats sooo needed about the IPRs.
The IPRs were not WINS, are not WINS & never will be WINS...
Had the challengers won their challenge against the validity of the patents involved, THAT would've indeed been a LOSS! No bout-a-doubt-it. But since the challenges were not accepted, they were not wins for vplm... I fully understand how some view them as wins, but technically, they were not because vplm gained nothing.
In order to win something, you need to be able to show something for it that you did not have before the the contested thing. In the case of the IPRs, the outcome equates to nothing gained nothing lost. In other words, after the IPRs were over, vplm had exactly what they had before. In fact, not just what they had before, but what they had from the genesis of ea patent challenged (when the patent was 1st awarded).
Nothing ADDITIONAL was given to vplm after the IPR decisions. After the trials, vplm had exactly what they had to begin with, nothing more, nothing less.
To be fair, it had been pointed out that along with the IPR decisions, came the added value of Estoppel, however with all the subsequent cases that have came & went since, estoppel has ever been used to my knowledge & so the fact remains that nothing more than bragging rights was ever borne from the IPRs.
endostory
That's actually pretty funny...
hahaha... vplm sue the IRS for infringment...lolol...and then, after they won a judgement from the them, the IRS would get them for back taxes for 24 yrs and take everything they have, including the office chairs & the printing press, and the whole hidden stash of shares, hahaha...
Came to within close to a tenth of a penny of subpenny today, but vplm will never see subpenny again...
I bet alot of peeps were surprised to see the # of cases & cases denied/lost, if they bothered to read the report.
So you're saying all these cases were in the 10K (which I read & was astonished at the sheer number of cases & the number of losses), but conveniently left of the PRs, is that right? If so, no surprise there as that has ALWAYS been their way... and I've been saying so, as it happened, for all these years. But I have to admit I couldn't believe the number of cases & losses & dismissals. It just goes on forever & forever, it MUST, in order to stop any final resolutions, which would end their hayride. These are part of what I'm talking about when I reference "monkey wrenches".
So the talk, talk, talk, pump, pump, pump, twist, twist, twist, will continue
They (vplm) has also been a great teacher on how to lie effectively & strategically, as seen in the con game (confidence). They have lied their way thru thick & thin, making themselves to be the significant beneficiary because they know how to run the game. The shareholders have always allowed them to get away with it thus get their just desserts... A big nothing for 10 yrs the soap opera.
Vplm, has become a great teacher of how to waste time. They've made an art of it & passed it on. The longer they do so, the more fiat shares to print & sell for 1/2 cent.
More nonsense.. Them inserting monkey wrenches & "without predudice" go hand & hand. They don't oppose ea other. Pure foolishness... It doesn't deserve my engagement
Don't hold your breath. It'll never happen. But of course we already know that, lol
Exactly what I kept thinking as I read it. Way more than I knew of. Unreal list of losses. Looks like a wall of doom. Not surprising, just more prolific than I realized.
After the last locksmith v voip-pal case, which was pretty bad for vplm, I damn sure wouldn't be counting on a vplm win this time. After all, they were found to be IN BREACH OF FIDUCIARY DUTY and UNJUST ENRICHMENT with guess who, but the venerable EMU himself at the very top of the list of defendants, LOLOLOL. I definitely wouldn't bet too much on vplm this time, after that! Uh-uh...
Makes some wonder why you would wonder... considering the fact that I not only have posted the reasons why I still own shares numerous times here, but I actually posted the reason within the past 48 hrs here (either yest or day b4). So I don't know if it's a case of you posting about something before reading what you're posting about, or perhaps some other foible? You might want to actually read what I post b4 commenting. And, the notion that I believe in vplm patents, is so ludicrous its beyond the pale (but perfectly in line w/someone who doesn't bother to actually read what they're commenting about).
"oh I know, let me see, you really believe in VPLM’s patents and don’t want to be proven wrong."
I read that over several times. It doesn't make a lick o sense...
icontinuetobethankfulforthelowcostentertainmentvaluefoundhere
How can someone become a bagholder if they don't own shares? There are, however many bagholders of vplm stock. Are you?
Oh, and there have been continuous predictions & promises of settlements & licenses for the past 8 of 9 yrs.....and so far.....nary a one! Nah, I don't think so.