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The UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty is a reality. That doesn't change. Underwater treasure hunting for private sector profit is a nearly dead enterprise. That's not an assumption but rather a provable fact. So if one wants to invent a magic want that finds gold on the moon may be far more productive than wanting to find sunken treasure.
Quote: He is SPECIAL!...
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and of course that's why he'd go with a company like SFRX a zero leader in the treasure hunting industry. You're doing your best to pump him up but you seem to side track the issues I've addressed earlier as to the no-future position of marine treasure hunting? Little things like UNESCO, Florida no-can-do situations. Maybe the magic wand will find the Lost Dutchman gold and things like that. Right?
And the band played on. We wanna, we're gonna. Have you any idea the number of times this kind of thing has come down the pike before in this world of treasure hunting (land & sea) Since you mentioned it and seem to know, who are the Silicone Valley companies that offered Mr. Genius a job that he turned down to go with a show like SFRX?
Quote: For a ship ton of SFRX stock and the knowledge of the entire picture.
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Wonderful. The entire picture. What is that if I may ask? Is he aware that treasure hunting has little to no future? Florida in all likelihood will not issue any salvage contracts. Global Marine is a fine example. You're aware they are suing the State right nw. Then there's the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty situation. Countries who's waters do contain sunken treasure galleons have signed the treaty or for the very few who have not, aren't issuing private sector contracts anymore. So tell me where the Tinker-bell gold finder is goin to be used?
New off-season entertainment for cool-aid drinkers? There's a PhD in front of the name so this new scheme must be a slam dunk guarantee. Can't find a shipwreck in over ten years with proven marine technology, so now it's time to invent the Tinker-bell gold finder. My question is why would this "man of technological innovation capabilities" be associating himself with the likes of a SFRX? There must be many Silicone Valley high tech. companies looking for this kind of portrayed genius.
Allot happier when justice is served and Goldberg goes to jail. He more than deserves it.
As I've posted before, I don't like even calling treasure hunting an industry but using the word to make the point, this folly has turned out to be the laugh of the treasure hunting industry in Florida. That is not only my opinion but also others "in the know".
Quote: Oh, you don't own it, that's right.
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From his perspective, glad of it. Probably a very wise decision.
Quote: "Can't wait to see what doesn't happen next year"??
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What was wrong with this year or last year? Proper professional application doing sub-bottom and Cesium magnetometer surveys would have already found the wreck if in fact it was there. But apparently that matters little because next year they might have developed the Tinker-Bell magic wand gold finder which will surely find the wreck which doesn't appear to be there.
Quote: Hang in there, it is the off season and the weather may not cooperate for a while for diving.
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Off season. How many off seasons is it now? This is the longest non-productive marathon run in the Florida treasure hunting industry (if it can even be called an industry). Not going anywhere? If your stuck on the fly paper, there aren't allot of options, are there?
I'd call it the off season fairy tale hold over.
Thats apparently a side scan sonar which is not the remote sensing instrumentation that should be used to try and find the wreck that isn't there. Sub-bottom profiling and Cesium magnetometers would be the solution to find the wreck if it was there. We have a poster here that remains in total denial of the fact that what Heartland found over a decade ago was deposited there as a result of flotsam. The one and only cannon there didn't walk across the bottom. He might like to explain why there are no other cannons found. Common sense dictates the simple answer. there aren't any. Their obviously a long way away.
Allow me to make a correction. When I cited Annex Rules 1 - 8, I wrote exploration which should be exploitation. I've posted below the actual statement;
Rules 1–8 define general principles. Key among these are the complete prohibition of the commercial exploitation of underwater cultural heritage[1]:Rule 2 and the principle that in situ preservation should always be considered as a first option.[1]:Rule 1 The rules also cover aspects such as project design, conservation, documentation, and reporting.[1]
Quote: But I do believe searching for Treasure in the US is not worth the time due to UNESCO.
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The United States has yet to sign the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty. Even so, many states align themselves with the policies. As to Florida the writing was on the wall for a long time. With the exception of already grandfathered in 1715 shipwrecks originally granted to Real Eight, Inc. and Treasure Salvors, Inc., no new salvage contracts have been issued to my knowledge. The treatment of Global Marine Exploration by the State of Florida makes it rather clear. The few countries who's waters contain sunken Spanish treasure galleons and have not ratified the treaty; Colombia, Dominican Republic, Bahamas, are not issuing private sector commercial contracts. If you go to search and type in;
"UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage", you can read the terms of the treaty. Specifically, go to Annex Rules 1-8 saying "Key among these are the complete prohibition of commercial exploration of underwater cultural heritage".
Also go to search and type in "Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage. Paris, 2 November 2001". This provides a complete listing of all countries that have ratified the treaty and the year when they did it.
Penny stock treasure hunting companies or any others soliciting for investment money rarely if ever provide investors with this information. So all the nonsense so often given saying we're going here, we're going there to salvage sunken treasure represents an extremely limited playing field. So when you cant find treasure like this outfit hasn't been able to in a decade, tell all your working on some super duper gold finding machine (or whatever its suppose to find). Interesting question is the people or person who's supposedly developing it seem to be lacking in marine science/electronics background. Even if the Tinker-bell magic wand is invented, where are they going to use it? Lobster fisherman, more than not, make money.
Strongly suggest you read this once again.
hedge_fun Wednesday, 10/03/18 09:55:29 AM
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This is great advice I saw in another post....
by you.
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I suggest they start with the magazine "Under Sea Technology" to get insight as to the many, many highly advanced under sea technological companies there are that are continuously engaged in research and development of new innovations relating to remote sensing. This is not even relating to companies like, Geometrics, Inc. that produce considerably more instrumentation than just Cesium magnetometers. Then there's DataSonics producing sophisticated low frequency sub-bottom profilers. That suspected Melbourne Beach area could have been surveyed with this instrumentation, producing a sub-bottom profile of everything there between the ocean floor and the base strata. That survey could probably be performed in the course of less than a week. Was that already used that you know? Then there are two German high tech. companies that have already produced a large coil boat operated ferrous/non-ferrous underwater metal detector that will analytically detect large masses of, like gold and silver bars, chests of coins, at sub-bottom depths of 15 to 20 feet. Has that instrumentation been used? Now as it seems this outfit can't find wrecks so they're going to become the innovators of high tec. undersea technology that will find just about everything I suppose.
This isn't the first treasure hunting technology circus by any means. There have been many. Admiralty Corporation was one of the more outstanding. Millions down the old rat hole. They found nothing.
https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2001/06/04/story7.html
Sound familiar?
Quote: @Raider (was a response)
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So, now what is this suppose to mean.
As I've already said, fencing with you has become totally boring and meaningless. I believe that you believe you already know it all so what I have to say is of no consequence.
Quote: #2 you forgot mention in your list
"-no guns"
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I wasn't referring to what Hartland, yes Heartland only, (not SFRX) had already found. Yes, Heartland found a pistol. SFRX has not. My previous example list of what you find when your actually on a shipwreck included cross section of cultural material (artifacts) which anyone in the field knows would include weaponry; flintlock pistols, muskets, blunderbuss's, hand cannon, cutlass's, rapiers, daggers, etc., etc. No, I intentionally left nothing out. Now why don't you just make a list of what SFRX has found since they have according to the CEO, have been "on the wreck" for two years? Ridiculous and pitiful. At least Hearland produced some impressive recoveries before that piece of flotsam deposit petered out.
Obviously, you don't seem to understand the industry. What a Capt. Billy has to say is a very minor factor. We all got jointly "screwed" and that's the name of the game, not only there but in Florida as well. No body like flypaper, especially the fly.
Quote : At least we all agree that is a fact
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I don't believe background check supports your statement.
Actually, this whole thing is becoming boring. What is , is what is. Potato couch experts.
No they were .005% short on the financing needed.
Quote: You can reference previous wrecks all you want and the facts from those wrecks, but everything beyond that is literally just your opinion
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True and not true. With any one with research or actual historic shipwreck search and recovery background, Haskins research and conclusion regarding the 1715 Concepcion is not hard to understand. I know you obviously don't like it. Its also obvious that the actual shipwreck site of the Concepcion is possibly miles away. When in two years a company says "we're on the wreck" but all they can find is 20 or 30 iron spikes, some remnants of wood but no;
Concentrations of ballast rock
No lower hull structural timbers
No olive jars or broken shards
No cannons
No anchors
No cross section of cultural artifacts
No silver or gold treasure coins
No silver or gold bullion bars and/or cakes
Slim chance to none thats where the wreck is.
Just keep dancing around the facts. If I was on the flypaper I'd probably be doing the same thing.
You don't have to even make the effort to invent the wheel again. It sank in the same hurricane as did the other 1715 treasure galleons. If you want to play with those kind of theories you need to try and explain why only seven men survived and were adrift on the sea (on flotsam) for three days. All other 1715 shipwrecks occurred when the vessels also violently hit shoal waters in front of the beaches and the dead and survivors were washed onto the beach. They weren't floating around out on the ocean for three days. Anything else you might want to know?
Quote: What's your reasoning for referencing shoal?
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Because the archival documentation (which I have already posted word-for-word) that Haskins found says the Concepcion GROUNDED on Cape Canaveral. It didn't founder, it didn't beach. To have grounded, she had to hit a reef or sand bank (both of which are sometimes referred to as a shoal).
Quote: Jack's conclusion was simply "it's way offshore"?
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Significantly more than that. "Only seven men escaped floating on a quartel, in the water for three days.
(There's that nasty flotsam again). How far out is the Melbourne flotsam site? A couple of hundred yards? Is there a shoal there? Didn't think so.
Quote: Actually, SFRX did not put this out, but nice try.
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Exactly what are you referring to? This continues to be an on gong smoke and mirrors game to hopefully sidetrack the fact that there is absolutely no substantial evidence that there is an actual wreck site discovered by SFRX off of Melbourne. No one here dares even challenge the research evidence produced by archivist, treasure hunter Jack Haskins who clearly stated the 1715 Concepcion must be away off shore. His conclusions were based upon documentation Escribania 1058C, he found in the (AGI) Archives of the Indies, Seville, Spain. Get the windex out and clean that smokey mirror.
Quote: So you lied to make them look bad. Got it.
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Got it? You got nothing. Why don't you be specific and tell me what you think I lied about? I don't have to lie about anything. They just look bad on their own. No lies needed.
Quote: JMO The one company that I figured had a great shot at it had a heck of a captain and crew finding treasure and were shut down by the government of that country.
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Who might you be referring to? Finding treasure and shut down by the government? If you're referring to Hispaniola Ventures, LLC, yes we were finding artifacts and treasure but the JV was financed by a dirty penny stock company, Marine Explorations, Inc. (now INOH) run by one con artist named Mark Goldberg who was recently charged for fraud by the SEC. That project had high potential for doing multiple explorations and recoveries but funding was continuously lacking as probably most of the money raised was going into Goldberg's pocket. I was there and like most all of us, Goldberg promised to make up back salaries but we were never paid. Webber was held in high respect by the Dominican Submarine Archaeological Recovery Commission and the project was never shut down by the government if that's what you may be referring to. It is a fact that several years ago the government cancelled four existing contracts, now aligning themselves with UNESCO policies even though they have not signed the treaty. Far worse, they also unjustifiably confiscated all existing inventories of these companies. Global Marine sued the government over three years ago and has gotten no where. I know that Hispaniola Ventures had about a quarter of a million dollars in artifact and treasure inventory that was confiscated. Treasure hunting has become a rapidly dying business all over the world primarily because of UNESCO (pushed by Spain). Knowing how the State of Florida stabbed Global Marine in the back relating to the finds they made off of Canaveral, I seriously doubt Florida will ever actually issue a new salvage contract to any entity.
In all fairness, I must believe they dove a great deal more than that.
Quote: Now we have game changing technology, lets see if that pans out next year.
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Have. Please explain? I must have missed something.
Quote: Combining our advanced computing with Seafarer’s exploration experience brings significant potential for success.
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Its remarkable how dozens of penny stock companies have masterful writers that can practically convince a would be investor that a bar of poop is actually an O'Henry candy bar. Why would such a super advanced technological company (or person) join up with a ten year unsuccessful treasure hunting company with little to no merits? Can't help but wonder? (Exploration experience??? That needs some qualification)
Quote: That's complete crap.
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Seems you always do have a way with crude or vulgar words. Perhaps you could be more explicit about what to you is "complete crap".
Quote: That's not the word off the street
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Frankly, I don't believe you'd like to actually hear the "word off the street", referring specifically to those in the know in the treasure diving circles in Florida. Most divers drink and talk. Nothing new.
There's always next season. Lobster fishing may prove far more profitable.
Quote: And I'm not serious about lobster scenario
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When one can't find treasure in over ten years and your supposedly "on the wreck" and can't prove it in now two years + or -, lobster fishing may well, be the more serious scenario.
Quote: Yep, he said "the wreck would just be visible."
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He said, who said. Don't have a clue what you're talking about? Getting to the point which really is the point, there obviously isn't a wreck where the CEO said it was. So now whats coming up for the next act? Maybe in another season or two?
Quote: Really?? That's news to me...so why would anybody own or buy a magnetometer?
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Are you actually serious?
Quote: Looking forward to the continued amusement as they milk Melbourne for all it’s worth.
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I would have to believe that worth is rapidly diminishing. As to any new treasure hunting advanced technology magic black boxes, they have come and gone in this so called industry. One of the big ones that duped investors out of millions was promoted by a Georgia based company named Admiralty, Corp. They had a first generation, second generation, third generation marine analytical treasure finder. The only problem was it never found any thing but they sure had a long run of novice investor support.