No problem and thank you for your courteous response.

I think i know what is causing the disparity. I was quoting a -99.43% figure for all time, that is from the beginning. This was the figure quoted yesterday with a google search for asre stock. Just to be clear i have never bought any stock in any business.

When something, anything, has lost 99.43% of it's original value then all that is left is 0.57%. Glad to see you recognise Holcomb for what it is.

I will repeat again that it is the Holcomb nonsense that got my attention and motivated me to make these posts. As regards ASTRA, i have no interest directly other than why a legitimate business would involve itself with a goon like Holcomb. If ASTRA were to ditch Holcomb, i would be gone from this forum but i would maintain my stance against Holcomb.

Five minutes ago i clicked on a webpage that brought me to this forum back around 15/3 and i noticed the believers in Holcomb were saying UL certification was being carried out. Here we are 6months later with no certification. What do you say now?

Please explain how you have come to the conclusion that my maths are in error. The figure freely available for asre stock shows that it is -99.43% of the of the original.

Hi Mr Dorick, you think ~12months? I don't know, nearly 6years ago all who had a basic grasp of physics were gobsmacked at the "inductance energy earth engine " claims, which of course were utterly ridiculous. Everyone assumed a rapid demise but it reappeared several years later as the "photon engine", equally preposterous and he is still at it. He is a slippery dude, as is obvious from his legal history and it is hard to predict what may happen. I would never have believed the magnet contraption from nearly 6years ago would still be here in some form today.

Indeed, Richard h2, i agree with all you have said but i have a few comments to add. The lack of regulatory approval for Holcomb is actually immaterial as none of it works as claimed, ie even with UL accreditation it is still going nowhere. I would have more chance of pole vaulting over the Sears tower than any of Holcomb's gizmos doing what is claimed. As regards the rest of ASTRA projects, they are real world concepts as opposed to Holcomb's pipe dreams and they may or may not work out- i have no interest in these matters as none of them are in conflict with the laws of physics. My only motivation in posting here is to denounce that which is utterly impossible due to being in contravention of the most secure of all physical laws.

Mr Curious Bystander, i'll bet you a "Dorick Doohickey" that there will only be token installations, these with the sole purpose of ensnaring further investors.

Yep, they all seem to be fake apart from Aesir, whose web page is devoid of information.

As i have said previously finance is not where my abilities lie but i cannot help notice that ASRE stock is now valued at 0.57% of it's original quotation. While not every investor would have bought in at the original price there is no avoiding the conclusion that it is not doing well. The stock is and has been oscillating around a very low figure and the slight increase noted on the 4/10 is really negligible.

Quite correct, Mr Curious Bystander, it would take a miracle/divine intervention for Danzik's ideas to work. Personally i don't believe in miracles, but that is me and i don't ask anyone to accept my ideas. I believe in science.

Curious Bystander with ref to #2221, there can be no question that it is a scam. If you accept (1) magnets are not a source of energy, (2) the energy obtainable from indoor photovoltaics is negligible, both of which can be assured by a professional, then Danzik's stuff is utterly worthless. I reckon he will just try to milk it for as long as possible before moving on to his next "invention", maybe the Danzik turboencabulator or the Danzik discombobulator. Just look at his history, does not inspire confidence.

Indeed i blundered. Thank you, Mr Dorick for the correction and apologies to MJ16 for my error.

Telling the truth is not bashing. The laws of physics rule out all "free lunch" hoaxes, such as Holcomb's as well as many others.

The way things work is, i believe, as follows: Quantum does some installations which provide no benefit but Quantum absorbs the losses and in the process produce a "happy customer". Happy customers are used to encourage investors whose money can be used to perpetuate the process. A Ponzi scheme of sorts.

Indeed Mr Dorick, i had intended to make a similar comment but there was so much other nonsense to address that i forgot. Lithography is primarily a printing process and as regards "deposition", all semiconductors are manufactured by vapour/gas deposition on the substrate. So nothing new here. Again i must point out the lies being propagated in the website you alluded to: a maximum of 4% can be recovered with all surfaces covered in panels, NOT 50%. Can you imagine the difficulties of having the floor covered in photovoltaics?

I am very dubious of your statements, Mr Szilard. No half competent engineer would accept the waffle that Danzik comes out with. There are some things which are inherently impossible, regardless of technology. An example is: can you levitate by pulling hard on your shoelaces? Of course you cannot. Danzik's claims, framed in atrocious misuse of scientific terms, fall into the category of "inherently impossible". First we had the "earth engine", a stand alone generator which failed to function and replaced by the "photon engine" and now we have "heat receivers", whatever that is meant to mean. What's next? The only way to produce energy on site is (1) a hydrocarbon burning engine, (2) a wind turbine or (3) exterior solar cells. You can call them direct energy, autonomous energy or any thing else you want but they are the ONLY way to do it.

Holcomb simply cannot be doing well as his ideas are in contravention of known physical laws.

Mr Szilard, i am not claiming to be dispensing wisdom. I am simply stating the basic laws of the physics involved in energy analysis. But hey, don't listen to a word i say, for all you know about me i could be a total nutjob: seek a professional fully independent appraisal of what Danzik is spouting and you will be in for a major shock.

If true, this is bad news. Entirely predictable, unfortunately.

A small room 5mx 4m by 2m in height illuminated by four 11.5w led sources. In this room 76 square metres of panels would return a maximum of 2watts. Not remotely feasible.

Mr Dorick, an excellent synopsis, thank you. Mr Szilard ask me any technical question you may want answered. I can't claim to answer everything but i will try my best. There is , however no point in asking me about the terms that Danzik uses as they are basically mumbo-jumbo word salad.

Personally i don't believe a word of what Mr Szilard is saying as there is negligible energy that can be harvested indoors. "Thermal receiver" is more of the word salad that Danzik utters.

Nonsense, Mr Szilard. 4% is the absolute max return with ALL floors, walls and ceiling covered with panels and miles of cabling. Have you sought the opinion of a professional engineer/physicist or do you simply accept all that Danzik dishes out?

I must emphasize again that covering an entire room with photovoltaics , floor, walls and ceiling will produce at most 4% of the grid power used by the lighting. The cost involved would be absolutely prohibitive. The ROI would involve hundreds of years, maybe longer. I don't wish to sound repetitive but i believe it is important that everyone sees through this nonsense.

Hi Dorick, no sweat, take your time, i am in no hurry. Danzik will bite the dust, it's only a matter of time.

Yes, what you have said i fully understand. I am, however, completely at a loss to understand why ASTRA would buy into this nonsense. What Holcomb claims to be his "tech" has been done before(a synchro differential behaves exactly the same) without the slightest hint of any gain. Any half competent engineer/physicist would laugh at the idea.

I am very much against Holcomb as his concepts are nonsense. I have no interest in and certainly nothing against ASTRA as such. What concerns me is why they would link up with Holcomb: if they have anyone technically competent they must know it is a hoax and if they do not have such competent staff then they should not be in this business. Anyone claiming overunity, magnification of power/energy, fuelless engines or any other such "free lunch" schemes is either a scammer or hoaxer.

I am very much against Holcomb as his concepts are nonsense. I have no interest in and certainly nothing against ASTRA as such. What concerns me is why they would link up with Holcomb: if they have anyone technically competent they must know it is a hoax and if they do not have such competent staff then they should not be in this business. Anyone claiming overunity, magnification of power/energy, fuelless engines or any other such "free lunch" schemes is either a scammer or hoaxer.

He is a MD who should have remained in medicine instead of pretending to be an engineer but i guess greed is what drives such ill advised activity.

Well you were warned about Holcomb but you ignored the advice. However until there is hard evidence that Holcomb has done a runner i remain somewhat skeptical. Holcomb's tech is of no value whatsoever and this charade will bite the dust at some stage.

Yep, it's really tough on those living in the southern states. Here in Ireland hurricanes and tornadoes are virtually unknown.

Whether Danzik has a heart or not is merely speculation. He does not have a conscience and in this aspect he differs from the regular homo sapiens.

Holcomb cannot be performing well as the claims are false under the well established laws of physics.

What sources?

The deleted post #6883 suggested that Holcomb was now on the run. Is there any confirmation on this or is it just malicious? It would not surprise me however as this house of cards must inevitably fall.

Curious Bystander, the "Dorick Doohickey"!! I missed that little gem last night and on reading it this morning i nearly choked on my breakfast with bout of convulsive laughter. Very funny indeed.

Curious Bystander, what is the point of distributors when they have nothing to distribute? I am utterly amazed that this shambolic fleecing of investors has lasted so long. Five and a half years after the "earth engine" was unveiled with much fanfare nothing has worked out. Danzik has even admitted obliquely that the much touted "earth engine " does not generate any energy and has come out with this photon nonsense. Unbelievable.

Curious Bystander i think you are misreading the situation. They can't be so stupid to think they have something of value as the beyond preposterous photon engine was "invented" when the earth engine failed. Danzik, with his misuse of technical terms, is no engineer but i don't think he is stupid. The real situation, i believe is as follows: fraud can only be established if the perpetrator knowingly promotes something false. It is not fraud if he/she is simply mistaken in their belief.