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Since you said anyone I'll respond. 8>)
On the deletion. Post should not be deleted for being alleged libel.
reason: We ain't lawyers. Libel is determined by a court of law, not us regular folks. If CEO sues BOP for libel and wins then remove post for violating ToU.
BTW, BOP should hope that boat in question is currently resting comfortably under water or he got sum 'splainin to do!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
He does, dear lady, He does.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Now there is a topic for Bard's Corner!
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/board.asp?board_id=144
Can ANYONE, Completely understand ANYTHING? We'll start with markets.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Not directed at you. Directed at those that post insanity like "only let people who *know* what they are talking about post here." How the heck is anyone supposed to LEARN anything? I love it when someone that doesn't know comes to the thread. It is an opportunity to enlighten and encourage.
Shrink the group allowed to post and you'll scare off possible future contributors.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Please...tell me they haven't actually allowed you (& joey) to procreate have they? Please?
Now where is my congressional record? Surely that law was passed regarding breeding standards!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Please subsitute "former SYSOPS" and related terms to previous message to ensure validity.
Seriously though, why would anyone want to talk to the same three people all the time if they weren't family?
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Marty,
feel free to sub my name for generic statements if you wish. I can tell the difference between an example and an actuall PA.
BTW, I prefer Creative Acquisition Specialist...Thief is such an ugly word. 8>)
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Hey Bob, can we get a special button just for joey?
You know, so when someone Starts an arguement by namecalling you can just ignore them?
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Joey have noticed a flaw in your logic. you have a definite tendency to ignore the relevant portion of a message in order to continue relentlessly repeating the same mantra over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Maybe this for a start.
While we(not being lawyers and such) cannot pore over every post to determine whether or not an individual has broken the laws of the land, we can and do and will determine if a post meets our standards for suitablity for inclusion in our community.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Ok so you are calling GB a hypocrite again.
What's next, Spanish? French? German? Italian? Chinese?
I know, how about Latin? That would at least enterain me for more than 10 seconds!
Hey, is anyone up for a tribal council?
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Repeating the same statement over and over does not make the statement true.
Example: how many times did we here "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"
Repetition does not create truth where it does not exist.
Your post was deleted per the rules of the board at the time it was deleted.
Your original complaint takes offense at being deleted.
To claim that now you are only questioning GB's honor is misrepresentation. It is what you were deleted for in the first place. Your continued grinding on this now irrelvant issue is merely an attempt to do what GB thwarted in your original post.
thank you for playing = game over = end of discussion = get over it!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
As long as the directors maintain impartiality this should prove a very effective tool. Notice I did not say fair. The rulebook for the game of golf is 14 inches thick to insure that the rules are enforced equally across all situations. And nowhere does it say anything about fair...fairway...but not fair.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Oh I get it all right.
You *CAN'T* get it.
The original concept represented by Python's "Black Knight" in MP & the Holy Grail was applied to you because you (like he) refuse to accept that you are beaten. In the film and for a short while here it was humorous.
Clearly you have a "How dare he Delete ME!?!" argument to present here.
Clearly in your *opinion* you violated no rule.
Unfortunately no one is in agreement with you. At least no one that matters.
As a Director on VOICE I have seen the posts in question. I agree with GB assessment. While I might have allowed you enough rope to thoroughly tie yourself in knots, it is Gary's board and he gets to run it his way.
Bob has seen your posts and they remain deleted.
Matt has seen your posts and they remain deleted.
the little red headed lady on NBC is talking to you.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
read post #870
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
joey,
I think this pretty much brings your objection to a final answer.
From Bob hisself...
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=100471
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
False hubris is unbecoming joey.
ever read Don Quixote?
sub brick walls for windmills and all you need is a sidekick to complete the picture.
Joey needs a sidekick... any volunteers?
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
My sincerest apologies joey...
I'll keep this simple to avoid misinterpretation.
1. Yesterday was yesterday. Today is today. and Tomorrow is anothere DAY!
2. one word...SATIRE
tata
toodle-loo
shiny armor
try a corn dorito
pasta & eggos
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Svejk,
If you were paying attention you'd have noticed that GB is taking an entirely non-confrontational mode concerning Bob now. You are now dredging up history and trying to present it as a new argument. Your performance yesterday, while entertaining shows you are more than a little bit over your head in this arena. Bob has done a commendable job of defending his position. He certainly needs no assistance from you.
Now run away! go on! Scoot!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
It certainly is of interest. And in keeping with the spirit of what is intended on this board. Good work, IMHO.
I don't know why people are so fearful of what to post. If you make an honest effort to fit in a good moderator won't kick you out because your learning. It beats the heck out of hearing HEY GOOFBALL from 250 users that all want to play moderator!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
I concur. It is preferable to politely nudge in the right direction than to slam a door in one's face. Sometimes harsh methods are necessary, If polite nudging gets no response for example.
BTW, If there are any more threads of yours you would like to recommend could you just put all of the links in one post for me? Please? 8<{0
Concerning the evils of spam...
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=100127
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Poet,
I Strongly Agree. Market-related boards must have more liberal guidelines to allow both sides of the market free access. However there are situations that a CoB should step in and delete off-topic posts. For instance would you consider a lengthy series of posts concerning spam to be appropriate for OBOX? a extended debate between Catholics and Protestants on their religious beliefs? the future of the International Space Station? anyones sexual proclivities?
Many topics not seminal to the intent of the board can dominate if left unchecked. that is your job. It's your board operate it as you see fit. If Bob performs his duties skillfully (a possibilty) 8>) he would remove a CoB for NOT properly deleting posts as quickly as he would remove one improperly deleting posts.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
The Other Side of SPAM
We hate getting those unwanted messages in our inbox. People have gone to great lengths to try and eliminate Spam. But is the Cure worse than the Disease?
It is easy to report Spam. Several websites exist that will automatically forward your complaint to the authorities (ISP's). They simplify the process to allow the nearly illiterate the ability to protect their email boxes from Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE or Spam). At first glance this looks like a good thing. Make it easy to catch Spammers and fine them (typically $200 per email sent) for abusing the system. However a deeper investigation reveals some problems. It seems that the services are not validating the reports before forwarding them to the ISP's. Additionally, there are no measures in place to prevent a report for a single "offense" being repeated. Considering the severity of the punishment handed down by many ISP's (instant termination, no questions asked) a potential for abuse exists.
Recently I was falsely accused of spamming. Fortunately I had all of the necessary information to prevent being shut down. But it took the better part of a week to get things fixed. Why? Because a single individual decided that an email was spam. That lone individual has access to websites that allow him to act as victim, judge, jury and executioner. He was able to blast his accusation to multiple locations, multiple times, and heretofore without fear of retribution. In essence he was allowed to spam my ISP, along with several others and because he was part of the Crusade to stop spam, his message was Gleefully forwarded without question. Were it not for a very good working relationship with my ISP. My site would likely have been terminated immediately.
There was only one little teeny tiny problem with the spam report. Seems the user forgot to mention he opted in to my list! That means he requested to be sent email! I take the spam issue very seriously. And make certain that I do everything possible to avoid sending an unwanted email. I have gone well beyond the legal requirements to protect myself from spurious complaints. Implementing these measures adds to the cost of doing business on the net. And remember the reason for these measures is to protect ourselves from false or invalid complaints. Thankfully these measures prevented a major catastrophe. All is once again well in my Internet kingdom.
As a result I am changing a policy on my website and am suggesting that other Business owners do the same.
Since the Anti-spam sites and most ISP's have a stated policy wherein they state a fine of $200 per spam email sent. I propose a similar fine for the false reporting of spam.
My suggested text is as follows:
Placed immediately following the "we don't use Spam section."
Filing false Spam reports are considered as bad as spamming itself. As such, for each false report the reporter and the services that forward the false report will be charged $200 or actual damages, whichever is higher.
In the above case my faux-reporter would be charged $1200, as would the firm that forwarded his message six times.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
"Why do you feel that holding a CoB publicly accountable for his/her public actions would be potentially embarrassing?'
Just a thought... what if the CoB is justified and you are wrong to question him/her?
(I picture Gilda Radner's character on SNL that always ended with "nevermind")
Again, Bob's job is to hold CoB's accountable. The CoB's manage their boards and the individuals that use them. The membership are responsible for following the rules as described where they wish to interact. Unless you feel Anarchy is a more viable organizational system for running a BBS, your argument is invalid.
If you feel it necessary to comment further we should move to the Parking Lot.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
"I only delete spam and compromising personal information from my options thread."
It is your thread and that is your choice. I would not impose my rules for operating a thread on you. Would you impose your rules on others?
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
If, as you said, there is a mechanism in place for a complaint concerning a deletion, then this is not the proper forum for those complaints. Posts that do not belong in a forum should be deleted. Period.
If there is not a mechasim in place then my original suggestion stands. Such discussions should be kept private to protect both sides of such an argument. One side will lose such an argument. If the argument is held forth in public there is the potential for embarrassement. For both sides. Keeping it private will allow both participants to be able to maintain thier diginty in the public forum. It is more about keeping posters involved than running them off. you Still need opposing views to discuss. If everyone agrees on everything, why talk about it at all. If a CoB is truly out of line I am certain that Bob has both the intellectual capacity and the technical capabilty to discern the appropriate solution and execucte it.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Then people that post such on this forum and others should have said posts deleted. Repeated offenses should draw a suspension.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Good morning Bob!
While doing a little early morning review of this thread, I had an Idea or two that might prove beneficial to IHUB (it might even help you out in the long run.
Seems a number of persons want to:
a. whine
b. complain
c. vent
d. insert appropriate expletive here
about having a post (or two or ten) deleted by some:
a. unjust
b. unfair
c. rude
d. mean
e. insert appropriate expletive here
Chairman or Director.
While it is obvious that they can vent in the parking lot, I notice that a number of them seem to think they should try and duke it out on the thread in question or they bring it to this thread.
I suggest a non-public forum (call it EGADS! They've deleted my posts!), where the enraged user can vent his/her spleen without embarrassing themselves publicly. It would also concentrate that sort of activity where you could easily monitor it. And just for fun you could delete most of those posts as soon as they've been read!
To make it work you could add the following to the iHub FAQ...
My post was deleted. What should I do?
Get over it. Chairpersons have control of content on their individaul boards. However if you are certain that deleting your post was an unreasonable act go to EGADS! They've deleted my posts!. Your complaint will be reviewed and the appropriate action taken. That is a non public forum.
Now let's have a good day out there people!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Marty,
You are on the right track here. The purpose here is to expose situations where deceptive practices are being used to manipulate a stock (or thread or BBS). Gary and I have assembled a team that includes several Internet Security Protocol Specialists (I hate the term hacker) and a few other specialized experts to ferret out exactly *who* some of these *magical groups* really are. The idea has been to expose these groups for the manipulators they are. A good post here would include a request for the ADAPT team to investigate a particular group fo posters or a specific stock thread. As you might imagine, we are quite engaged at the moment.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Moved from Small Voice thread to where this belongs.
Bird, are you able to support those points in the light of this from the current thread header? -
'Just because it is different does not make it right or wrong just a thought and who knows maybe it will inspire other thoughts.'
... as it happens, Gary's thoughts did inspire other thoughts - in this case, mine ... no case has been made to support their violation of anything in any way ... it is not stipulated in the thread rules that all posters must at all times agree in every way with all points of others ... is it?
Your points to which i am referring being these, of course -
'1. OFF TOPIC
2. personal attack upon the Chair
3. Duplicate post in an attempt to circumvent the rules of A Small Voice Board.'
Ahem…
IF Gary chooses to delete your posts and IF Bob were to question the decision to do so AND IF Gary the requested my support argument THEN I will support my contention so to answer your question… YES I Can.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
It seems to vary. one time it didn't timeout over almost 20 minutes. Another it timed out after only two minutes.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Gary,
Although I know that as director I can, will and have removed objectionable posts. It has always been my policy to defer to the Chair when the Chair is available.
IMHO, posts #380,382,384, & 386 should be removed on the following grounds:
1. OFF TOPIC
2. personal attack upon the Chair
3. Duplicate post in an attempt to circumvent the rules of A Small Voice Board.
Of course I will defer to your position as Chair for final disposition.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Marty, I must have miswritten. I think it is a GOOD thing that you know the difference between bashing and a negative opinion. And I do agree with you that Rah Rah posts are as detrimental as the bashing. And not just on OTC's!
UH oh! We are in agreement! Stop the presses!
two people have held an open discussion on IHUB and without the use of PRofanity or Personal attack actuall AGREED on something. Can it be? Will it last? tune in tomorrw...same bat time... same bat channel!
smiles, smiles everyone!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
One man's perception is another man's reality.
However, Bob can easily dispel both the perception and the current conflict with a simple stroke of his very own "delete" key. I am certain that even his most vehement attackers would sit up and take notice if suspensions for ToU violations became a plague on the "cadre".
Since I have no connection with SI beyond the occasional reading of a few select threads. I am choosing not to pass judgement on Bob's intentions here. I am very interested in the devlopement of this board and I am doing what I can to aide in it's growth.
In order for IHUB to be successful it needs to GROW. Matt has fostered an excellent concept and shown that it can function. Now it must add new users...who post, in order to begin generating revenue that will make it profitable and keep the project alive. How that growth is achieved will ultimately determine the longterm success or failure of Matt's Dream.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Pardon I did not realize you also made a distinction between "bashing" and negative posting.
he only thing I would disagree with in your post is the comment about "most" folks doing areasonable level of DD. In my experience very very few do so much as read the information posted on a profile sheet at Yahoo finance. almost none ever read the filings. if they did an awful lot of OTC stocks would never see a trade again.
Fishy? wrong odor!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
As I see it, the real problem here lies with the perception that Bob brought a cadre of evildoers to our humble board.
With their arrival at about the same time as Bob and their apparent rapport with each other and Bob there is reason to raise that question. However, if actions fail to support it another possibility must be considered. As far as I can tell at least two of the alleged cadre are discomfited due to posts being deleted and not reinstated by Bob. This is in keeping with established practice on this service.
Further, Bob, in setting up the "badbob" board established the right of a CoB to establish additional rules outside of those already dictated by IHUB. I am comfortable with his right as a CoB to do so. Since I am uncomfortable with those rules I exercise my privilege to post elsewhere. That is the way the game is played.
Some folks seem to think that only certain CoB's should have that right. But by taking a CoB position and following the rules already in place Bob has shown all CoB's how to manage a board. This BTW, is a good example of a SuperModerator's role. I am sure that ideally, Bob would prefer to be invisible to the average user only needing to swoop down and cleanse an out of control board as a last resort.
Perhaps, Bob has been the victim of abuse by this so-called cadre in that they have demanded special treatment for helping the Admin. He may be aware of their duplicity and seeks to correct the aforementioned perception.
At this point only Bob knows whether or not the perception is correct or if something else entirely is afoot.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Last time I checked. IHUB management had the final say on what a CoB can and cannot do. At present it appears that management disagrees with you in that your post remains deleted.
Your view is inconsequential.
BTW, thank you for playing translate as
game over
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Personally I have no problem with the existance of negative posters on a thread. Without controversy there is little chance that much will be learned. Sometmes I get called a basher and sometimes a pumper. I agree that to attack anothers style is petty. And it usually leads to the disruption we both came here to avoid.
On GAbards essay. Feel free to put your perspective on the topic. that is what Small Voice is for. Gary and I often expound upon the same topic if only to provide different levels to review it.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Gary,
I thought you said this SI bunch were really good at this. I had a tougher time with the Berkley Science Department in '83 discussing time dilation theories!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com