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"All we need is for KBLB to continue to advance the science and the rest should happen in short order"
wow...what a simple recipe...kinda like all i need to do is buy a lotto ticket and ill be a multi millionare...
yup it could happen..
still with the rope thing?..lets sell every rock climber a spider silk rope..how much money does kblb make off of that?....exactly..not gonna put even a tiny dent in the billions everyone is hoping for...
"What's your life worth?"
probably worth more to me than the idiots who mountain climb..
sutures with antibiotic are not going to save arms and legs...not in any world..it sounds good to say such things but it simply isnt true..
now its alexander graham bell is it...
and by the way...none of those "IF's" has been accomplished yet...they have said they have monster silk...but they have done nothing with it...and they are trying...but nothing yet...the others IF's have not been proven...
well if Lambourginis and Hummers have nothing to do with any point you are trying to make then why are you bringing them up?...may i suggest you try to make your point by simply doing so?...
"The "target market" (for the high quality fibers) is the high tech fibers market. The use of that quality of fiber for clothing is the equivalent of what in medicine would be called an "off-label" use. Get it?"
yea i get it...the high tech fiber market will be the ones using the high tech fiber...whatever that means..
why are you comparing clothing to medicine?..what is the point in that?..do you want to try just making a point by saying what it is you want to say?..
im going to assume you are simply saying that rich people will want to buy high priced spider silk because they can...are we back at the lambourgini people again?..
all i can say is, im sure there will be some money in selling things to rich people what they dont need...there always is..but when it comes to clothes, they pay for style..for fashion..generally speaking it isnt the "fiber" that interests them...but yea, im sure theres a couple of bucks to be had in that market...but it aint gonna be billions
"No They need to be spider silk flexible"
i cant remember the last time i needed a computer board to be spider silk flexable..can anyone?..
i knew someone would waste their time looking up broken rope deaths...lol....oh well theres 2 guys that kblb will not a 3 bucks from...pity
if the wound was caused by a bullet, antibiotic sutures will not eliminate the need for oral antibiotics...nor if it was a knife nor if it was pretty much any other deep wound...if it is a superficial wound, no oral antibiotics is necessary...nor is antibiotic sutures...
thems the facts...
progress in medicine is fine...but im quite sure they dont embrace every single thing that comes down the pike...do you think medical science has ever rejected something simply because there was no use for it...i think it probably has...
"It's a good thing that the pharmaceutical companies do not follow the logic that what they have now is good enough so why improve their products"
no..phamaceutical companies follow the logic that if they cant make a huge profit with it, they dont bother with it...and they wouldnt care if it cured a decease if enough people didnt have it to make it profitable...
and thems the fact also..
the fact of the matter is, if you think kblb is going to make billions from the field of medicine, you are gonna have to come up with something other than sutures..because thats not gonna do it..nor will anything else that has been brought up here...
i know..ive had them..i dont see your point...sutures that break are usually because the skin broke.. not the sutures...stronger sutures dont matter in that case...
no...and if there is an infection, it wont be because of a lack of antibiotic sutures...
"Many things are considered highly important in medicine, not because they occur in every case, but because, even if rare, when they DO occur the consequences are very serious"
the issue isnt whether you can come up with names of medical problems...lol....the issue is, is there something there that is going to make shareholders rich by addressing those problems...the answer= no
again..its a simple matter of applying an ointment to the area...antibiotic sutures most likely wont do the trick..anti biotic sutures was simply a gimmick...i cant believe anyone is actually taking that as a serious thing...
"The boards in your computer are made with different types of base like linen canvas and even paper"
but do they need to be spider silk stronger?..i cant remember the last time i had a computer board break..
"Then ask yourself, as a guy climbing a mountain and dangling 200 ft off the edge of a cliff are you ok with "My rope is strong enough" or is stronger better?"
when was the last time you heard of someone falling off a mountain because the rope broke?...and lets suppose that those kinds of guys would want the spider silk rope...what are we talking about?.. ten bucks profit?..wow
"And some people would probably pay the much higher prices. (Some people buy Lamborginis)"
well if thats the target market, they are going to have to sell those shirts for a 100k each to make any money for shareholders...
"Firstly the fact that a large number of companies have been spending a very large amount of money and time trying to develop pure spider silk should give some indication. In addition it is diffuct to read much literature about the high tech fiber industry without running across many comments indicating that pure spider silk would be highly desirable IF there were only some way to make it.
for high tech fibers:"
ah yes...the if a billions flies love it then what can be wrong with it theory....
"there are many statements in the medical literature indicating a need for stronger sutures. I would therefore be most interested in learning your basis for claiming that "there is no need for stronger sutures". Likewise for your contention that "there is certainly no need for sutures that have ointment on them" (actually the discussion was about antibiotic on sutures, not "ointment") A bit more attention to detail might go far towards improving the quality of the discussion"
been there, done that...i had sutures..they worked fine..had no need for anything stronger..there may be an occasional need for something stronger under extraordinary conditions...but thats hardly going to be much of a money maker..
i say its an ointment..
well i suppose thats one way to look at it...but my clothes already last me a long time..mainly because i buy clothes once or twice a year...and i buy a few shirts, pants and shoes and what not each time...that keeps me from having to wear "timeless" clothes and looking constantly out of date...
take jeans for instance...if you wear the same pair once a week, they will last you years!...how much longer do you really need them to last!...would i pay twice as much for a pair of jeans that will last me twice as long?...i highly doubt it..what for?..
i dont need shirts that will last me 10 years...and i dont think the garment industry wants to sell me shirts that last 10 years...after a few years of use i give a few older clothes away to goodwill or salvation army and buy new ones...they are still in decent shape but the fact is i dont want them anymore for whatever reason...
and if anyone would care to check with their wife, im pretty sure she doesnt want you keeping your underwear for 10 years either...even there are no holes in them..
im not sure if high end cares about clothing that lasts 10 years...why would they?...a wedding dress that will last an eternity?..why?..a cocktail dress that they wont want to wear more than twice a year anyway?...it needs to last 10 years?..it already does...
hang on while i pick myself up off the floor..what?..well put and you agree with me?...is this the kblb board?..
well you can always buy kblb and hope for the best...thats all the majority are doing here...i could be wrong...lord knows im in the minority here...
"Since what they had was "good enough"
what they had WASNT good enough..
as for silk sutures...what they have IS good enough...have you ever had anything stiched up before?..i have..several times...i never had a problem with the sutures...they worked fine..they were plenty strong enough and i certainly didnt need sutures with ointment somehow mutated into the silk either lol...thats a fact..sorry if it doesnt work with anyones theory for millions of dollars in their pocket..
"I agree any type of medical device is years away. I guess we shouldnt even bother with it since it will take so long???"
correct...that can come after they have done other things first...like make money with monster silk or do something with the textile industry....medical uses are so far away that it is ridiculous for anyone to even be discussing them at this point...
"If KBLB can make spider silk from silk worms we are all rich"
first of all, that still a mighty big IF......and that was said about monster silk...wheres the money?..monster silk should be marketable...it should be getting attention from all over the place...we should be seeing it talked about everywhere...the pps should be a dollar with just that...
whats the problem?...perhaps its not all that shareholders think it is...maybe its not all that they have been told...either that or kblb is massively mismanaged...
"If they cant and it takes another year, the PPS will increase without it just from selling our "useless" 60% spider silk"
if they cant now, they never will...oh 60% spider silk will have its uses...it will sell (IF they have it and it is what they say it is) but it sure aint gonna be the blockbuster that everyone thought it would be...you can forget about being profiled on the lifestyles of the rich and famous...
"If we succeed in creating a platform organism it will make spider silk look like chump change"
and there it is again..the big "IF"...you are already being set up to not be concerned about pure spider silk because the next big carrot has been put just a little farther out...and boy is it a really big carrot..
"Given I have read your posts forever here mojo I think you know you are wrong here"
i will be wrong if all the IF's and there are many of them, a lot more than you think, ever come true..but thats a lot of IF's to get through..
kblb itself is very tradeable...there will be news coming out eventually that will run the pps up...there always is...i just dont see it as a good investment...not until they can come out with something besides promises and possibilities..
sure sure monster silk..that was accomplished a long time ago...and what have they done with it?..zippty do dah..
this company is a one man show...the idea that he is going to revolutionize many different industries is very unlikely...and if it is to be a done, its going to take a whole lot more time than anyone here wants to believe...
however i would consider holding off on any investing right now and stick to trading for a while...too much volatility right now, too much uncertainty in the world (911 coming up for instance), too much economic uncertainty as well, in the U.S. and worldwide...and october can be a disastrous month when that sort of climate exists...
double dip recession maybe...and after that enormous inflation perhaps...high unemployment with seemingly no solution...trillions of dollars of absolutely staggering debt...a housing market that has been in a shambles for years and will be for more years to come..
what to invest in?...as far as stocks, imo, nothing...but theres plenty out there to trade...
im begining to suspect that there will be no pure spider silk in the "fall"...im gonna guess that the next target will be the new year or thereabouts...that will let the board gush about having pure spider silk for xmas and spider silk stockings and such...
i notice that already we are seeing less about the pure spider silk and more about some "platform" thing...seems that some are intent on changing the focus a bit and starting to put forth the idea that maybe 60% spider silk would actually be better than pure spider silk...lol...whatever
actually, i did wonder why the garment industry would want cloth made of a product that wouldnt wear and tear much...sure women buy because of changing styles..but not all women...and certainly they would modify that a lot if the prices were too high....but men just generally buy when their clothes wear out..and thats when they might change styles...so the idea that people would have to buy clothes less often doesnt seem like much of an appeal to the garment industry..my guess is, they want their silk stockings to run after a bit so they can be replaced..and if the spider silk is weakened to anywhere close to that degree, then what is the attraction?..what is the benefit?
as for the medical uses such as sutures, there is no need for stronger sutures...and there is certainly no need for sutures that have ointment on them...when ointment is needed it is needed on a lot more surface area than is covered by sutures...and as for joints and such, what they make them out of now is just fine...they dont need to be as strong as steel or anything...besides that stuff would be years away...
dont worry, there will be news...you will be told that everything is going just great, proceeding as expected...results fantastic...couldnt be more pleased...timelines have changed as they often do..no problem...and then you will get lab news, the manufacturing facility has been approved...the "ramping up" nonsense will be used yet again...the company looking at the spider silk for use in body armour will be "pleased" at the initial results of their testing...blah blah blah...
oh it will be a merry xmas indeed....and no one will care about the much anticipated "fall" announcement that wont come...because that carrot was replaced with an even bigger carrot!...
completely and utterly wrong..eom
its interesting that the other company doesnt hesitate to call it what it is...a forward split...but kim calls it a "stock dividend"...im sure he felt it sounded better but its also very misleading..
"and is consistent with the Board's commitment".....and just who is this "board" that kim is refering too?...lol
"This action is enabled by the Company’s continued success in the laboratory"
lets face it, if the science was a rockin success ( and i assume thats what he is refering too when he says "success in the laboratory"), there would be no need to do a sham f/s at all...
"to take actions designed to create a wider distribution of the Company’s stock.”
a little REAL success solves that whole problem...but when your supposed success is pure bs then yea, you're gonna need a little help turning that bs into cash...although the forward split doesnt help accomplish that..
well perhaps all this lying and misleading bs is all over and kblb is truly on its way to multi billion dollar status just any day now....
time will tell...in the meantime i will trade it...the company is a one man show....not unlike people who used to travel from town to town selling snake oil from the back of a wagon telling everyone it cured everything from headaches to std's...
now you have someone who says hes got the secret for creating a new fiber thats going to revolutionize the world....yessirie folks...step right up and buy yourselves the opportunity of a lifetime....
how likely do you think it is that all this can be accomplished by a one man company?..particularly the QUICK CONVERSION OF THAT SUCCESS" part of the equation...
if he had said "IMHO one should be highly skeptical of pumpers that continually present potential possibilities without regard for their probability or real significance or consistent exaggeration of them"...then i would agree
smacks of desperation to me...seems that zf may not be all that some have made it out to be?..
"And there are many OTCBB "traders" who follow these scam companies like jackals following a larger predator, hoping to make a cheap meal of the spilled blood and bones left behind.
If it were not for lions and wolves, maggots would have far fewer breeding grounds"
other pink sheet companies would include kblb in that example you just made and wouldnt in a miilion years include their own because they believe in their company just as much as you believe in kblb..
they all think all those other companies are losers and theirs is the winner...they think people investing in kblb are the jackals..or jack something..
get the idea?..you think their companies are scams and traders are jackals...they think they dont know what you are talking about because their company is the real deal..understand?..
someone buys and someone sells..someone is right and someone is wrong...and thats how it goes in every stock in the market...thats how it works...thats how its supposed to work...long term or short term, but thats the system...
"KBLB does NOT provide its investors with a steady stream of "feel good" PRs and news articles"
maybe...but they sure dont hesitate to whisper sweet nothings to whomever chooses to call and get whispered too..and they know full well those sweet nothings will get posted on message boards...no fluff?...only if you pretend not to see the ways they get their word out...and with plausible deniability at that...
"For example, if KBLB took government grants to develop spider silk worms, the US military could contract with another company such as Dupont or General Dynamics to make spider silk body armor to sell to the military and not need to pay anything to KBLB"
sounds like a fair trade to me...millions to fund the research and most everything else, in return for the gov keeping the rights to use spider silk for body armour...and you call that kblb not getting paid?...
"But if your intention is to found an industry and a mass production company giving away IP right-of-use to the government is a very unwise move"
no one developes their tech just to give it away...lets be serious..
"The government and its military will often be the first source of sales and income for the mass produced product"
let the military use the spider silk for bullet proof vest and parachutes or whatever as long as they fund the research and whatever else kblb needs...its a fair trade...kblb will still have the rights to everything else...with all the potential possibilities kblb would not need the military as customers and they get all they need in return...
or i should say "would have" since its really too late at this point...either they got it or they dont...and if they dont, they never will..
when they happen i imagine..eom
"I think that any dev stage penny stock is always a long shot.
They are valued in pennies because they have no income or product"
there are plenty of development stage stocks out there that are not on the pink sheets and have a much higher pps than kblb...that is because they are well funded, well run, have a potential product that isnt pie in the sky, have a well thought out business plan and have management in place with enough employees to get them where they need to go......so no, it isnt all about income or product...a lot of them have a pps in the dollars...eventually yes, they will have to produce revenue..they are expected to do so...if they dont, they also will fail..
"That being a given, honesty is actually a disadvantage to a penny stock"
well its not a given and honesty shouldnt put a company at a disadvantage...if it does, its because they are doing something wrong..honesty is a requirement...
"The goats milk thing, like exogenetics, sought more publicity because they tried (and succeeded) to get public funding"
the key point is that they got funding...if something that is not likely to succeed can get millions in funding then how is it that kblb could not get funding from anywhere but loansharks?...and why is it that many here feel that was their only option?
"All of these are very old news, but some US media are looking to fill air time this season"
maybe..but facts are facts...and as i have said before, its not always the companies with the best products that succeed...
because frankly the company is being run like a typical pink sheet loser stock...plain and simple......many choose to ignore that fact because they believe the science is so good...i have my doubts about that as well...
you will not get a list...forward splits are done when the pps reaches a such a high price that they want to bring the pps share down to attract individual investors....kblb never reached that point...not even close..
some companies will allow themselves to get into the hundreds per share and still will not forward split...
there are other reasons why they may forward split...but kblb was in no position to need one...i think calm seas wanted one..
a forward split at the pps that kblb did it makes little sense...for some reason you see it as a real positive...it is not...it MIGHT not be a big negative but it certainly is not a positive...
"Your knowledge of the science and how it works is never in question"
well it is by me...
"It's really good to know that KBLB is immune to hostile takeover because of Kim's huge number of "voting only" shares"
kblb is not immune from anything...those voting shares are just for show...they are an armour made of tissue...a good sneeze will blow right thru it...
"I originally invested twice as much money as I planned to leave in, planning to take out half after pure spider silk was achieved. Then I decided to wait for the platform worm. Now I am reconsidering whether I want to just wait for the dividends"
thanks for proving my point i made earlier about pink sheet investors ....you are following the exact same pattern...
the dream gets bigger and bigger and thats how the losses do the same...
"I want to thank ZincFinger for continuing to provide us with a well needed education on the science of the fantastic technology"
never forget that he is providing you with his OPINION of what the science is...and much of what he says, regardless of how certain he sounds of his position, is speculation and assumptions...
i dont believe he is a scientist..mostly he reads a lot and follows the zf tech on other boards...i doubt very seriously if he is qualified to educate anyone on the cutting edge science that kblb is involved with...
"that there is no way that anyone could possibly buy out the company without his consent"
this company could be taken over by a large company without that company even breaking a sweat..there are all kinds of ways to get things done.....voting shares?...lol...nothing would even go to a vote...
hint...the weak link is hansel...
if any of those things i said were to actually occur, this stock could be in the hundreds of dollars per share in 3 years...
of course on the other hand, if any of those things were actually possible, and could be seen as very real possibilities at this point in time, this stock would not currently be a 9 cent a share stock...and it would be trading in the tens of millions a day right now..
apparently even the dreamers and long shot artists who love to troll the pink sheets see better opportunities out there......things that make you go hmmmmmm...
and by the way, why do you suppose that there is so much information and publicity surrounding the goats milk spider silk (or whatever it is) which is supposed to be a loser proposition that is a decade away from accomplishing anything as opposed to kblb's spider silk which is supposed to be a monumental event about to take place any day?....
does that make sense?..
the biggest thing in the textile industry?..not to mention other industries?..the ability to revolutionize many markets?...a company that is weeks away from coming out with the holy grail of fiber tech?....$4.50 in 3 YEARS???
wow..and i thought i had little faith in the company..lol
by the way, being positive about a stock doesnt make it move...but being realistic does help your portfolio...
Let me get this straight...you are asking if anyone thinks this stock could get to 4.50 cents a share in 3 years?
never accuse me of being honest..you'll ruin my reputation around here..