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I've got to agree with, you, Pink. If you don't think this stock has $10 potential, imo you're in the wrong stock. This has big risk, and if you don't think it has big reward, why take the risk?
Fish,
There is a reason CGEI is less than a dollar share and has a market cap of less than 10 million. It's a speculative stock. That's like comparing Porsche to a Tesla Roadster when it was in development. "Damnit, Elon, the 911 is a real thing that is selling now while we're sitting here with nothing!"
I'm not going to act like they're perfect, because they aren't, but if you watch the Leete interview I posted earlier on he directly addresses Starlink. They know their competitor and they believe they can win. Also, one of the interviewers assumes that the model would be driven by an electric engine, not pushed by the wind. I'm assuming because this is standard in the development process.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm going to wait until year's end and reevaluate. If that time comes and they aren't close, I'll shit on them with you.
I'd like to address Starlink concern. I'm not going to say that Starlink isn't a competitor, because it is. However, to say that Starlink is the end all be all and that Aradatum stands absolutely no chance against is wrong.
Do you know that it costs 600 dollar upfront to buy the equipment necessary in order to run Starlink? On top of that it costs 110 dollars a month for service thereafter. That is double what average internet costs per month. If Aradatum can undercut those prices and provide the same quality of services who in their right mind would choose Starlink? Buzz Lightyear? Maybe. Let's also address latency. This is how fast signal travels from the device providing internet to the device using the internet. This doesn't matter for many people, but it does for some. Starlink can never beat Aradatum in this department, because it's all the way in the space where as Aradatum towers are on the ground. How about reliability? Heavy snow or rain? There could be slowed speeds or downtime. Or about the dish being chewed on by your friendly squirrel, ran over, or smashed by a tree? Not a problem with Aradatum.
Also, there have been several concerns raised about Musk sending the Satellites into orbit. One of those is collisions with other Satellites. This has already almost happened with a Chinese Satellite! I can see the headlines now "Musk Sparks War with China". In all seriousness, this is no joking matter, google kessler syndrome. Meanwhile, Aradatum's towers are safe and sound on the ground. Another concern is further pollution of the atmosphere. Isn't Musk supposed to be saving the planet? Meanwhile, Aradatum takes pollution away by generating power for electric vehicles. How does an asteroid smashing into your house sound? Well, if Musk has his way that just might happen. Nasa fears that his satellites could interfere with telescopes ability to see incoming asteroids, and therefore our ability to divert them. I know Aradatum towers are big, but they aren't blocking any telescopes. All of these problems with just under 1,500 of his satellites in orbit and he wants to bring that total up 40,000!
Musk has been able to deploy Starlink quickly, but he also possess a huge amount of capital. I do not like that the Aradatum team has been silent since the model video, but let's give them some time to work.
Here are my sources:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-internet-hike-prices-customers-rising-inflation-2022-3
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/how-much-is-internet-per-month#:~:text=Average%20costs%20for%20internet%20service,per%20month%2C%20depending%20on%20speed.
https://thenextweb.com/news/problems-with-elon-musk-starlink-satellites
https://www.space.com/starlink-satellite-reentry-ozone-depletion-atmosphere
I'm just hoping they're gearing up for 5g trade shows, get some attention drawn to the product. I'm not usually one for Parody on here, Dano, but that was actually funny.
Any predictions on when and what the next piece of news will be? They've been pretty steady with the press releases lately and I hope it continues. I guess the 3 other models are being built? Are they planning on bringing these to several different shows? Are these the same model? Will we not see price movement until the actual towers are built?
https://www.bakersfield.com/ap/news/cge-energy-and-aradatum-complete-1-16th-scale-tower-demonstrators-with-roush/article_52216dfb-3cf1-523e-a4e4-961ec9cf71c1.html
I found this article as well. It says that this is the first of four being built by Roush, with the final three to be built in the coming months, and that the intent of these is to bring them to tradeshows and sales presentations. Bryan talks about how Roush plans on scaling up the process for commercial manufacturing. These are exciting times, indeed. As you said, Dano, I am excited to see what the future holds.
We finally have a model! https://aradatum.com/demonstrators/
On The Aradatum LinkedIn, they say "Building the next-gen of infrastructure requires us to be able to demonstrate our technology by bringing it to people so they can “kick the tires”. 200’ towers are so very unwieldy to ship. What’s the solution? Shrink ‘em down so they can travel!
We’ve done just that! Today we proudly release our 1/16 scale demonstration units. Built in conjunction with our manufacturing partner, Roush. It’s our next step in bringing #AccessAbsolutelyAnywhere."
A couple thoughts, I don't have it in front of me, but I thought they said it was going to be around 100 feet tall, not 200? Also, do you know what's better than having the model? Having the model when they said we would have the model! I've watched the video a dozen times now, but I'd be interested in any thoughts you guys have.
Well, guys, it's crunch time. A week from yesterday is when the model is due. I think that we get an announcement sometime this week, but even if we don't we should get something next week. If we don't get something by Monday, I will be concerned, honestly. With that being said, I am buying more shares this week. I hope everyone is doing well and has a good week.
Dano, these are good questions. It is my understanding that for every 1 share of CGEI you own, you will receive 1 share of Aradatum. This was announced after the launch of Aradatum. The investors that put up 15 million are being referred to as the "seed round." So, they will be given ownership of the company for their money. A quick Google search tells me that, typically, the number is between 10-20 percent. While this may seem like a lot, and it is, there is a price to be paid in order to receive that funding to help the company get off the ground. I've heard the expression that "80 percent of a watermelon is a lot bigger than 100 percent of a grape."
Now, the only way I could see CGEI investors getting screwed is if when Aradatum launches, they decide to dilute our shares by issuing substantially more shares than we have. With that being said, I've continued to add to my bag of CGEI in order to acquire more Aradatum. I wouldn't fault someone for holding out until Aradatum launches, but that's a dangerous game and it could end in you getting left behind.
More great press, for us, guys! This time Aradatum has landed a piece in a little-known article called Forbes! It's behind a paywall, but the first 4 reads are free. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimvinoski/2022/03/11/aradatum-says-its-self-powered-5g-towers-will-help-fill-in-our-coverage-gaps/?sh=554f12d73a95
There is a lot to digest in this one, but I'll hit some key points.
It costs $400,000 per mile to connect to the current grid. That's obscene and why it makes Aradatum such a great option. Aradatum's estimated tower cost, for reference, costs 250,000 and only takes a week to install.
The company has 6 patents on the tower with more pending. That means we'll be the big dogs, for a long time to come, if it takes off.
Larry said that we are after 8-10 percent of 300,000 towers, but that's just in the domestic marketplace! The part that excites me is that my hypothesis about the global potential is correct. Larry acknowledged developing countries as having huge potential. The Article says that there is big opportunity in African banks and companies!
It's go time, my friends. For better or worse, there isn't going back from this. They had better deliver and take this thing to the moon, or it's going to come crashing down to earth.
Another article released announcing that Aradatum received another 5 million from investors and that the prototype windmills are due to be complete on March 28th. I can't seem to link it from my phone, but when I get home I will post the link.
To start with, here is the link for the video. https://lnkd.in/d_GDsSCv?trk=organization-update_share-update_update-text
It's a Facebook link, but it is what I have. Larry's interview starts at around 14:55.
To respond to your guys' concerns about Ishpeming; I get it, I believe in honoring your word, but is it really that big of a concern? I'd like to think once things get sorted out with this smaller prototype and finally the full-sized tower, that the company would make it right.
However, I'd be lying if I said that I truly care what happens to the tower in Ishpeming if the worse thing it does is cause an eyesore for the community. What I care about is the future of Aradatum and CGEI and while you might say that they are responsible for the tower, I don't think any cellular company is going to care about Ishpeming if the new tower works.
Dano, it is something that I think about at least weekly and hope that someday everyone on this board will be able to share together. I think that there's a couple ways that success would occur, success being a significant share price increase. I think that if this smaller model shows success, a cellular company may see it as an opportunity to reach an untapped market before their competitors and make some form of agreement with Aradatum to lease space on the unbuilt towers. I'm not sure how a deal like this would work, but I'm sure it could be written up. The other way I could see it succeeding is when they finish the full sized tower, companies realize the potential and begin leasing the space.
The real key here, in my opinion, is the patents. If this thing works, which I understand is a big if, Aradatum will have somewhat of a stranglehold on an underserved and growing market.
Fish,
As far as Ishpeming is concerned, that's not Aradatum's concern, right? CGEI put the tower up, not them.
In this latest video it was insinuated that 15~ foot prototype towers would be ready soon, being built by Roush and Mala, with a full sized pilot tower being fully operational by year's end or early next year.
An interesting thing Larry said in the video was that Aradatum had been working under the radar, he called it "stealth mode", for 6 years.
He said that the company's business model would be similar to three companies, Crown Castle, SBA, and American Tower, in that Aradatum would build and erect the towers and then lease tower space to the cell companies.
The Market Cap of of those, respectively, are 72, 33, and 103 BILLION dollars. CGEI's market cap, currently, is 8.418 million.
Those numbers are very exciting to me. You could say that "Yak, they're only going after the rural market they'll never get that big. Yak, they gave away equity to seed investors." According to this article https://www.reviews.org/internet-service/how-many-us-households-are-without-internet-connection/ 1 in 4 American households don't have internet and some of the ones that are considered to have "internet" are using dial up! Which is an absolutely terrible way to live in today's world. Aradatum could certainly provide better. And who's to say that Aradatum has to stop with America? There are plenty of developing nations that need access to internet.
So, let's just say that Aradatum only gets to the size of a quarter of the smallest company 8.25 billion. That is nearly 1000x market cap!
I understand the concerns, people, but this company has immense potential and I'm willing to give it time to blossom.
You should all give the interview a watch, you can find the link on Aradatum's LinkedIn page.
Dano, I am off work that day so I will definitely listen if I am awake and if I'm not I'll attempt to find a place to watch it afterwards.
Pink, I will agree that their marketing is a bit weird, but I'm not a marketing expert. I find a lot of information on their LinkedIn page, which leads me to believe that they might be more worried about building professional relationships, more so, than driving hype. I think both are important, but for a company like Aradatum that is going to have to land a major partner, I would argue attracting the big dogs is more important.
With that being said, Leete is somewhat regularly active on Twitter. Even though he has less than 100 followers, it's something that could eventually blow up if the right person highlighted it.
I will say, that so far, they have kept their promise of pumping out the articles and press, however small they might seem.
President of Aradatum, Larry Leete, is going on to do an interview on Monday on a program called MiTechNews to discuss the tower. I'm really interested to see what he has to share.
New Article, pretty lengthy. I've only glanced over it once, but there are some decent bits of info in there.
I can't seem to link the article, but if you go the Aradatum LinkedIn, it's the first one on there.
https://mibiz.com/sections/small-business/startup-eyes-major-infrastructure-play-with-renewable-energy-powered-cell-towers
Interesting read, I don't love how he talks about getting the towers out in the 4th quarter, I was hoping for sooner, but I do love the ambitious goal of 10,000 towers equating to a 2.5 billion dollar price tag.
When shares of Aradatum will be issued is beyond me, and I don't really care, tbh. If Aradatum starts making waves, CGEI stock will soar. Idk if they're attempting to put both tickers in a position to succeed by delaying the issuance of Aradatum shares, but that's my guess.
I'm hoping February, but March wouldn't be terrible.
Pink,
That's why I'm only giving them until year's end. If they haven't produced by then, when will they?
Hello, everyone, I hope you are all well.
I hope that everyone is as excited for CGEI/Aradatum's future as I am. There were many promising statements in the shareholder's update.
I felt so encouraged by them that I added on to my position. With that being said, if this thing doesn't take off by year's end I will be moving my money elsewhere. Hopefully that doesn't happen and we can all look back at this point in time as the start of something great.
To be honest, I don't see CGEI holding value unless they take over sole responsibility of building just windmills, not 5g capable ones. Even then, their windmills will have to be more capable than the competition and who knows if they will be? The other way I could see them maintaining profitability is by building the towers for Aradatum before they slap on the 5g components, or maybe they'd get a kickback for each tower?
Wow! A one to one exchange, I didn't think it was possible. I'm very curious as to what the initial price of Aradatum will be and how it will affect the price of CGEI. Also, this piece "looking to soon publicly discuss" of the article makes me feel like they've got stuff moving in the background that they're going to release. It could all be smoke and mirrors, but this combined with Bryan putting in to sell his shares makes me feel like it's coming. The man has put too much work in to pump and dump. I am going to be looking to add to my position now that my concern of a 1 to 6 exchange is over.
Dano, I thought your comments were pretty entertaining and justified. It seems like the company's forte is to leave everyone in the dark and it's frustrating. As for what I think, I'm uncertain, but hopeful. The Aradatum Twitter regularly tweets advertisement-like things. They contain no information that we don't know already, but it's like they're trying to sell someone. However, they have a small amount of followers, so it's not doing much good. I will say one picture had a tesla charging station in it, which I thought was funny. As for the guy from the company who was in here, I imagine he had a hard time explaining the lack of PR.
I wonder if anyone from the company ever looks at forumns like these.
This article was posted by the Aradatum twitter. https://www.americanbankingnews.com/2021/04/14/cge-energy-inc-otcmktscgei-sees-large-decrease-in-short-interest.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Is it too optimistic to think a person could just wait until news of a contract or something else beneficial came out in order to buy? Would the train really leave the station that quickly?
Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone.
Danman, would CGEI not simply give the windmill patent to Aradatum, free of charge, since it is their subsidiary? I found this short article ( https://www.windpowerengineering.com/vertical-axis-wind-turbines-vs-horizontal-axis-wind-turbines/ ) about vertical versus horizontal turbines, I was hoping to find something specifically about CGEI's design. I could find no such thing, although it does seem like vertical would be better suited for the 5g tower in my opinion because it provides a more steady power curve, if you will. I too, wonder about the amount of shares a CGEI shareholder will receive of Aradatum.
Dano, it would really be something to see a buyout, although I would want the price to be right. I think that many of the CGEI/Aradatum team would be hard-pressed to sell their baby. In the research that I have done it seems that a fresh slate is a typical reason for a spinoff, but it does give one an uneasy feeling nonetheless.
Pink, that is the most frustrating part of all of this, wondering what goes on behind the scenes. Many of you have been waiting longer than me, so I will continue to do that with hopes of success.
Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone.
Danman, would CGEI not simply give the windmill patent to Aradatum, free of charge, since it is their subsidiary? I found this short article ( https://www.windpowerengineering.com/vertical-axis-wind-turbines-vs-horizontal-axis-wind-turbines/ ) about vertical versus horizontal turbines, I was hoping to find something specifically about CGEI's design. I could find no such thing, although it does seem like vertical would be better suited for the 5g tower in my opinion because it provides a more steady power curve, if you will. I too, wonder about the amount of shares a CGEI shareholder will receive of Aradatum.
Dano, it would really be something to see a buyout, although I would want the price to be right. I think that many of the CGEI/Aradatum team would be hard-pressed to sell their baby. In the research that I have done it seems that a fresh slate is a typical reason for a spinoff, but it does give one an uneasy feeling nonetheless.
Pink, that is the most frustrating part of all of this, wondering what goes on behind the scenes. Many of you have been waiting longer than me, so I will continue to do that with hopes of success.
Hello everyone.
I have been following this board since around the time Aradatum was announced. My father has been invested this company since way back in the MKBY days and really enjoyed reading the RagingBull forums. I just recently invested a small amount into the company, but am much more excited for Aradatum. I believe that Aradatum has a much higher ceiling than CGE, but I wanted to hear some of your thoughts on the following questions that I propose. I understand some of these are very speculative in nature and that no one may know except the people on the inside, but do your best.
1. What does CGEI stock stand to benefit from Aradatum spinning off? Will they be building the 5g windmills for Aradatum or will CGEI make the windmill and then Aradatum slaps on the 5g components?
2.Why would Aradatum spin off in the first place and not just keep the company as a whole?
3.Are the main buyers of these 5g windmills going to be large corporations think Mediacom, At&t, Verizon, and/or will it be smaller internet service providers?
4. What is stopping another windmill company from slapping 5g components on their own windmill design? I understand it can't be that simple, but if there is money to be made, people will figure it out. Basically, I'm asking if there is a patent on this design or one pending.
5. What is taking so long to get the windmill to market? I understand there is R&D, but I feel like there should be something to show besides the windmill in Michigan.
6. Finally, how does CGEI's windmill compare in terms of power output? They have lots of great features (bird safe, wind can blow in any direction, folding wings for high windspeeds to prevent damage) but I'm afraid that if another windmill design vastly outproduces theirs in terms of power, CGEI will be left alone.
Thank you all for taking the time to read and respond. Also, I know that many of you, like my father, have been invested in this company for a long time with not much to show for it. I just wanted to say that I hope all of your faith and perseverance pays off sooner rather than later.