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SM's goal (make subscribers $), your goal (hurt investors). Which manipulator's intentions are worse? Your assertions that TSHO threw out G/S and U/S to keep investors interested is comical.
So, Cesari (DRTV partner), ARG Manufacturing, Inc. (their retail launch partner), the private investors that got in at $1.09, the TV networks that have aired the U/S and G/S commercials, LTD Commodities (catalog sales), the United States Patent and Trademark Office (G/S patent approval notices), and the Rachael Ray Show must "all" be in on this alleged scam? Wow, it's worldwide!
Who is investigating the short sellers? If you look at the streetsweeper article, it's website has no advertising. Who is paying for that? Probably short sellers IMO.
I find it very interesting that you began to re-post that streetsweeper article a couple of weeks before the ASC began their investigation. If you (or any shorts) shorted this stock, then got ASC to investigate, that is extremely manipulative and should be investigated.
yes, if SM did wrong, they should be punished, but you never know how far this investigation could go and who could be next to go under the ASC microscope.
yes, i think it's clearly against SM. I have always felt that way since this investigation began. And the assertion that TSHO should have known their stock was being manipulated seems a stretch to me.
like i mentioned in a prior post, was Luniel supposed to hold a conf call and say, "hey guys 1.62 is a little rich, better take some off the table". no, he was busy trying to get the U/S test under way and then working on finding next product.
the scam comments on the board have to do with a couple of the ASC email responses where they seem to recklessly share the opinion that TSHO is a scam. Obviously, you and i both know it's not.
And if ASC did a bit of due diligence they would see that this company has legitimate business partners and is making progress.
NextStage1
razor, it looks like next Friday, 9/17 according to her website:
http://www.rachaelrayshow.com/show/view/1094/
your post implies that skymark sold you shares of tsho. are you sure about that?
they promoted it, but they didn't sell (broker) shares to anybody.
I think i found something... Rachael Ray Schedule for 9/17:
http://www.rachaelrayshow.com/show/view/1094/
"From stretch marks and varicose veins to C-section scars, find out the skinny on how to get your pre-baby bodies back! Then, three viewers are testing infomercial cleaning products in our latest "Human Lab", and for dinner Rach is serving up a low-fat flavor fake-out alternative to Italian Sausage and Peppers!"
This show should be the U/S piece. If so, maybe Rachael Ray is in on the alleged scam too! Woo, the scam is going viral. LOL
Back to business boys and girls. Hopefully we can get some retail agreements for U/S out of this!
NextStage1
somebody posted earlier in the year that stockpromoters.com is a place to go to see if your stock is being promoted.
well, i went there, did the free registration (yes, i'll probably get spammed now), and just for kicks, looked up some of the iH board stocks:
LBSR - promoted 6 times
SDVI - promoted 108 times
GVDI - promoted zero times
QASP - promoted 53 times
GOIG - promoted 16 times
TSHO - promoted 28 times (most were in 2007 when it was a completely different business), and skymark wasn't listed as one of the promoters (though they were of course promoting it).
go to http://stockpromoters.com/services.asp and you'll see that clearly there's a huge business around stock promoters. i don't know the legalities around how they are able to do what they do, but clearly tons of stocks are promoted by tons of different promoters.
and CEO's and business owners don't have time to police this stuff. investors just need to be wary of it.
NextStage1
cool, thanks for clarifying.
if that is part of SM's game than that'd be really bad. SM's reputation has definitely been tainted for a while.
all the more reason for TSHO to (1) continue to execute their biz plan and (2) work to get themselves removed from this case, which is 99% agains SM.
NextStage1
So, Cesari (DRTV partner), ARG Manufacturing, Inc. (their retail launch partner), the private investors that got in at $1.09, the TV networks that have aired the U/S and G/S commercials, LTD Commodities (catalog sales) and the United States Patent and Trademark Office (G/S patent approval notices) must "all" be in on this alleged scam?
All ASC had to do was read the PR's and see Cesari, ARG Manufacturing, and other vendors actually quoted in the PR's, go to LTD commodities site and see that the G/S is a real product making real sales.
Yes, ASC responded to each of your questions but their notion that TSHO is a potential scam is reckless, and 2 minutes of due diligence by ASC would show otherwise.
And ASC's assertion is in my opinion, next to baseless, and legally unprecedented that TSHO "knew, or in the circumstances ought to have known, that the market for their shares was being manipulated by the other respondends".
Seriously? Nearly every penny stock in the history of mankind has been promoted, often by multiple promoters.
Was Luniel supposed to send out a PR saying "hey, guys 1.62 is a little rich, you may want to sell some". He was busy running his business. Trying to build a successful U/S campaign, and get the next product out there (which ended up being G/S).
I doubt he reads this board or realized the extent that 1.62 was based on Skymark.
But the fact this is trading at less than ten cents is also because of the Skymark promotion in my opinion, as lots of people got out, shorters pounded it, and now ASC is here "protecting" investors.
Tradeshow is a real company making real progress.
NextStage1
ASC responses causing TSHO stock manipulation:
as a shareholder i am very concerned that the ASC is not being above board with their investigation. I strongly recommend you forward the e-mail you referenced to: IR@tsho.com . Tradeshow Marketing needs to see this nonsense and show it to their lawyers.
their response to you was IMO reckless at best. their claims of blatant stock manipulation, followed by these type of biased responses are actually resulting in "stock manipulation". this shows their bias, lack of professionalism, and their desparate attempts to justify their case, which is really against skymark.
they're also essentially rendering legal opinions of guilt about the organizations they're investigating...during an investigation. that is below board on their part.
in their response to you, they're essentially saying they don't care about the current shareholders, we just want to justify our case trying to pull in the companies that were promoted by skymark.
NextStage1
my read is just in Alberta
yea, that was vague to me too. clearly the "11" are SM, and tradeshow & pbec are no longer included as respondents.
7 (a) is vague. 7(b) - 7 (e) pertain to SM. but even SM looks like they're just getting hand slapped and have to settle down and not "give advice", just pass along informational stuff on stocks. No fines, just basically "get your act together and don't be so promotional".
Here's the decision:
Page 1 has background, page 2 has order.
Looks like the 13 respondents (including TSHO and PBEC) became 11 respondents (just those associated with SM).
Though i don't fully understand 7 (a), rest clearly has to do with SM.
http://www.albertasecurities.com/Enforcement/Enforcement%20Orders/Skymark%20Media%20Group%20Ltd%20ICTO%20EXT%20VAR%202010%2009%2003%203631731v1.pdf
i hear ya, man. all longs should be rooting for revenues and successes for tsho. that's the best route long term. lawsuits because we're upset we're down, are only a distraction to their efforts to execute on their biz plan.
i'm down in tsho too, but this company is so much more valuable now than it was in Feb, when it traded at $1.62. i'm not saying that current revenues support $1.62, i'm just saying that 14 cents is ridiculous, given the progress in last 6 months.
regardless of outcome of hearing, i believe tsho will still continue to execute, be on RR in a couple of weeks, be on large retailers' shelves for U/S and G/S shortly thereafter.
only time will tell for sure, but that's my take.
NextStage1
i haven't seen any actual evidence outside of "board speak" as to if Luniel asked SM or if SM just found out that Luniel was involved in another startup.
allegations seem slim against tradeshow, IMO.
basically allocation is just that they "should have known" that their stock was being manipulated by SM. interesting that in my conversations with SM over the summer, they have not been able to get any callbacks from tradeshow. that tells me that tradeshow has been trying to separate themselves from SM.
while i'm sure this is a distraction for tsho, worst case is probably a minimal fine. maybe ASC representatives all get free g-spouts and a U/S as a special bonus... LOL
we'll know soon enough.
NextStage1
The end is NOT here in my opinion:
Who is buying at 14 cents? Probably people being silent while others are panic selling. What does 14 cents equal in terms of sales?
$1,400,000 Gross Annual Sales
$350,000 Net Income (25%)
24,200,000 Outstanding Shares
$0.01 EPS
$0.14 Share price at a 10 PE
G/S catalog sales are approaching $500,000 in a little over 3 months. That could easily build to $2,000,000 in a year, from 1 product in 1 catalog. Retail should be coming soon, that should work to enhance DRTV success.
Yeah, i don't like that TSHO is looped into this hearing, but as i read it it's mostly secondary implications that they "should have known" their stock was being promoted by somebody else.
NextStage1
No binary event risk in TSHO:
You alluded to it in your great post a week or so ago:
"12. Low capital, low risk test phase for each product! "
As i've said before, we don't have the government in the way with TSHO like there is with pharma co's and energy co's. Low risk with each new product, low burn, low float, G/S gaining traction, U/S exposure around the corner with RR.
Again, i think the fall is "go time", big time for TSHO.
NextStage1
"we are actively discussing opportunities for mass-market retail launch to more quickly expand the market for this product."
that statement jumped out at me too.
This PR provides more evidence that the G/S has real potential to be TSHO's first "successful DRTV product", and we all know what that means in terms of potential sales.
I'll gladly take a slow and steady climb, though if they announce they're dramatically expanding their DRTV campaign and/or some big retailers, it's rise could likely be much quicker.
NextStage1
Just noticed a 2nd Catalog where G/S is selling - maybe they're affiliated, but regardless i never saw the G/S in the Lakeside collection before:
The Lakeside Collection, out of Northbrook, IL (Christmas 2010 Catalog pg. 132): http://www.lakeside.com/g-Spout-Dripless-Strainer/details.asp?I=GZD&N=36&Nao=36&R=897489035GZD4
Posted yesterday - LTD Commodities, Bannockburn, IL (Christmas 2010 catalog, pg 17): http://www.ltdcommodities.com/gSpout-Dripless-Strainer/cat_item_pg.asp?G=864&P=15&Rec=6&N=37+461&Nao=0&R=481628-6GZD---1
More good signs.
NextStage1
Patience my friends. Here is why I am still a believer:
G/S Test Campaign: If TSHO wasn’t having success with G/S, I highly doubt they’d be hiring right now as there wouldn’t be a need. They’d instead be focusing on launching the 3rd product and that would have been last week’s PR, instead of the one we got about the new hire to “begin rapid development of the current products for enhanced market opportunities” (see 7/30 PR).
National Campaign: We’re into the dog days of summer. TSHO is likely hiring now looking ahead into the fall. Their vision is to be an infomercial company first and foremost. We all know that people watch more TV in the fall than they do in the summer months. The fall is when all the new shows come out because that’s when viewership ramps up. They’re not going to immediately buy up a ton of air time out of pocket, and in early August. Instead, they’ll likely gradually ramp up, with last week’s sales funding next week’s air times, over and over again.
Price Points/Offers: Regarding the various price points, the $9.95 is at least the 4th price point for G/S. Test campaign started at $19.95. If you look at old websites from 2009, when Archer Castle Investments had the rights, it was selling at about $13. http://www.cnet.com/8301-13553_1-10386232-32.html . The G/S sells for $6.95 (looks like just 1 per order [so a different offer]) on LTD Commodities. Go to this link and you’ll see that it’s going to be on pg. 17 of the Christmas 2010 catalog. http://www.ltdcommodities.com/gSpout-Dripless-Strainer/cat_item_pg.asp?G=864&P=15&Rec=6&N=37+461&Nao=0&R=481628-6GZD---1 . Another thought is that large retailers essentially dictate price points to their product suppliers. That fact, I would think, would come into play in determining the final price point for the broader campaign.
Infomercial Footage: Because the below site (posted here previously) which is from June of this year, shows the old footage, I think they’re testing different footage as well. Just my opinion. http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/g-spout-kitchen-tool . Tradeshow and Cesari are likely carefully and deliberately trying to find best potential MER with these price points and different infomercials. I cannot imagine they’d be going to this effort if the G/S was a flop.
Rachael Ray: The September Appearance of U/S on this show should at least result in a few retail agreements. They’d want to be able to say “now available at (insert retailer names)”.
Looking Ahead: Only time will tell, but I believe that the fall is go time for the company. To me “go time” is when real revenues begin to come in. And once go time begins, I believe we’ll have others flocking back into this investment from many of the other non-revenue speculative stocks out there. Since many shareholders sold on the way down, the float is now likely held by a much lower number of shareholders. That smaller number of shareholders won’t be easily willing to part with their shares once the revenues begin to build.
The fall should be interesting.
NextStage1
your assessment makes sense to me. A hire of that caliber and credentialed history would cost $$, which means Luniel must have a good level of confidence in the impending success of the current products to justify this hiring at this point.
The PR even mentioned “I am excited to join the Tradeshow Marketing team and begin rapid development of the current products for enhanced market opportunities,” said Curhan. “Tradeshow has established a unique platform to work closely with developers to bring products to market in multiple sales channels. I look forward to bringing new product opportunities to the Company and enhancing our capabilities toward greater success.” So, there must be good things in the pipeline for the current products, in addition to potential of future products.
The PR also touched on Curhan's international experience. Very interesting and timely hire…
NEWS:
Tradeshow Marketing Company Hires Vice President of Marketing and Product Management
Bellevue, WA -- July 30, 2010 -- The Tradeshow Marketing Company, Ltd. (Pink Sheets: TSHO), a direct sales company that represents and markets unique consumer products in direct response TV (DRTV) and trade show demonstration sales environments, announced it has hired Paul Curhan as Vice President of Marketing and Product Management. Curhan will develop and lead Company initiatives driving all aspects of product management, brand development and market commercialization.
“We are very pleased to welcome Paul to the Tradeshow Marketing team where he will lead our product development efforts in order to increase our commercialization capabilities and grow sales in multiple channels,” said Luniel de Beer, President and CEO of Tradeshow Marketing. “Paul brings a broad range of skills and experience including leadership in brand and product management roles for packaged goods, retail, e-commerce and direct marketing companies. He has a comprehensive understanding of the key factors for success in consumer lifestyle products and a successful record developing marketing initiatives to drive revenue. His experience includes results-driven product initiatives at both early stage "lifestyle marketing" and global companies such as Procter & Gamble, Kellogg Company, Starbucks, Amazon.com and X10.com.”
Curhan served most recently as Chief Marketing Officer of Crayons Beverages, a developer and marketer of all-natural fruit juice drinks for children. He created comprehensive marketing campaigns including traditional and social media as well as grass roots initiatives broadening retail distribution to include more than 3,000 stores nationwide. Prior to Crayons Beverages, he served as senior vice president of marketing for X10 Wireless Technology, a successful consumer security camera product sold on television and online. At X10, he negotiated television media partnerships and implemented merchandising programs to drive increased sales and higher customer purchase rates. His experience also includes leading Amazon.com’s expansion into the Japanese and Canadian markets, including driving site traffic, new customer acquisition and brand development, as well as leading the development and launch of Starbucks Coffee’s consumer products division. Curhan was also head of marketing for Pyramid Breweries, where he built successful multi-channel strategies that resulted in the company being the top growth craft beer brand.
“I am excited to join the Tradeshow Marketing team and begin rapid development of the current products for enhanced market opportunities,” said Curhan. “Tradeshow has established a unique platform to work closely with developers to bring products to market in multiple sales channels. I look forward to bringing new product opportunities to the Company and enhancing our capabilities toward greater success.”
About The Tradeshow Marketing Company
The Tradeshow Marketing Company, Ltd. is a publicly traded consumer-products company focused on the development and distribution of unique products that have broad appeal and improve the lives of consumers. The company operates a direct demonstration business via trade shows and exhibitions throughout North America, and various product-specific e-commerce web sites. The company was established in 2003, and is headquartered in Bellevue, Washington.
All company or product names used are the property of their respective owners and may be the trade marks™, service marks?, or registered marks® of other companies, and are used for information purposes only and to their owners’ benefit, without intent to infringe.
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Investor Contact:
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TSHO's partnership with Cesari Direct is one of the main reasons that I continue to stay long:
On Cesari's website are some great case studies of amazing successes. If you haven't read these, you should:
http://www.cesaridirect.com/clients/index.php
Also, the fact that the only PR that Cesari Direct has put out in the last 11 months, was their PR back on 5/1/10 regarding their DRTV Strategic Partnership with TSHO - very telling of their commitment to work closely together:
http://www.cesaridirect.com/about/news.php
I strongly believe that the revenues will continue to build, and begin to build exponentially, and that one day I'll look back at TSHO's price during the summer of 2010 and view it as one of the best buying opportunities I ever had.
Go TSHO!
GLTA
Also, the TSHO business model does not carry binary event risk - here's what I mean:
Unlike a drug company or energy company, where there's a big product or project that's dependent on FDA approval or winning the contract before you even start to get sales, with TSHO they can strategically and carefully launch products in a low cost / low risk way, and then adjust along the way (from the TSHO presentation link sent earlier today):
Market Launch Model:
• Acquire designs or rights to select consumer products
• Produce overseas at attractive cost
• Market test in trade show, TV, catalog or blended campaigns
• Refine program based on test results
• Enter full marketing
• Advance product to additional channels
Benefits:
• Low capital, low risk test phase for each product
• Target marketing spend to highest return channels
• Limited overhead and cost on typical sales
• Ability to scale rapidly for “hit” products
AND the campaigns are run by Cesari Direct, one of the best and longest tenured Direct Response Campaign experts in the business.
NextStage1
Dear lady on video with disfunctional g-Spout:
Please read instructions mailed with your g-Spout. Or, for your convenience, please visit http://www.g-spout.com/faq.html#faq13
From the Q&A on the website:
"I’m worried the g-Spout will leak or fall off the pan.
If the g-Spout is properly attached and oriented so that the “bump” tips it forward and presses the bottom edge against the inside of the pan, you should not experience any leaking. If you are pouring something heavy, you may want to use your spoon or spatula to help hold the spout onto the pan when you pour. Make sure that your hand is far enough away from any hot surface."
Lastly, if you still are having issues, I recommend you stay out of the kitchen. Save the heavy lifting for the millions of others in the world who could benefit from this product.
Sincerely,
NextStage1
couple observations about the TV review of the g-Spout:
1.) the individual didn't install it the way that you're instructed to in the instructions that they mail with the g-Spout as well as how they show it in the infomercial. you're supposed to pinch the spout which makes the side flaps go back. then you get a better seal.
2.) and this is a funny one... i went back and re-watched the TV link. It was actually on NBC. Seriously, there's that peacock logo throughout the whole thing!!
So much for the bantering, now come on TSHO, give us some good news so we can go off to the races again!!
ECOMATES, which is Ethos Environmental's multi level marketing arm, offered free shipping for all orders last weekend and in the ECOMATES e-mail blast yesterday they stated that "Due to an overwhelming response to our July 4th Free Shipping promotion we have decided to offer FREE SHIPPING on all NEW ECOMATES Orders again!!!"
So, they appear to be making some good sales!! Good news indeed. Just need some renewed interest in this stock to move it back up.
thanks for the post. great to hear that it's in "high demand" and that you like the quality of it.
did you order it off of their website or off of TV?
maone, it's good to see that you're back from the tall grass. appreciate the update of the ibox and your detailed post. it really hit the spot.
next few months should be the beginning of the revenue rally. fiscal quarter beginning 6/1/10 will be their 1st real revenue quarter so that will be nice to see.
next 2 months leading up to RR show should also see Luniel getting U/S on various retailers' shelves, so that when U/S is aired on RR, and subsequently posted to the RR website, they can say "now available at Lowes" or something like that.
i'm looking forward to G/S updates as well, as that product clearly has a following and who knows, maybe we'll get a national campaign for that one later this summer.
NextStage1
so the Ethos merger with Youngevity was mutually called off on 5/31, per the 6/7/10 PR. We know from that same PR that "Ethos is currently exploring alternatives and will provide further details as they become available. In the meantime, business will continue as usual at Ethos."
i would think that corey schlossman and others at Ethos must have had the sense to begin working on a Plan B once they saw that the Youngevity merger kept getting delayed. more than a month beyond the merger being called off, we must be getting closer to Plan B.
they have GREAT fuel reformulator products that I use personally, and have personally seen in my '03 4Runner, improved mpg of 10-15%. Results are even better in older vehicles and commercial vehicles.
ultimately i believe that Ethos FR and FR+ belong on the shelves of Pep Boys, Advanced Auto Parts (and other similar retailers). Ethos H/S (their environmentally friendly multi-purpose lubricant) belongs on the shelves of Lowes and Home Depot.
i noticed that the 4/12/10 PR announcing the launch of Ethos H/S mentioned, "Ethos Environmental, Inc. will initially market EthosHS Home & Shop Formula(TM) through its wholly-owned network marketing subsidiary ECOMATES(TM)." i look forward to seeing what the next route for marketing this product will be.
i believe these guys will turn around this company. they have great products, they just need to course correct on their business model. IMO
LOL
Good thing is that with each additional revenue source for any given current or future product, we will slowly begin to move from "assumptions" and "projections" to "revenues".
That's what I'm looking forward to.
Initial g-Spout catalog sales: $100,000 announced in May, $150,000 announced in June. Even at $150,000 monthly run rate, that $1,800,000 per year. That’s just 1 product, in 1 catalog, no DRTV yet, no retail yet.
Just for kicks: If they’re able to leverage upcoming Rachael Ray appearance of U/S into a few retailers, you get a better sense of the possibilities for TSHO’s business model. Any combination of retailers could easily yield the below run rates from retail alone for 1 product (U/S):
1000 stores: 5 units per month @ $20 per unit, annualized: $1,200,000 in annual retail U/S sales
5000 stores: 5 units per month @ $20 per unit, annualized: $6,000,000 in annual retail U/S sales
10,000 stores: 5 units per month @ $20 per unit, annualized: $12,000,000 in annual retail U/S sales
1000 stores: 10 units per month @ $20 per unit, annualized: $2,400,000 in annual retail U/S sales
5000 stores: 10 units per month @ $20 per unit, annualized: $12,000,000 in annual retail U/S sales
10,000 stores: 10 units per month @ $20 per unit, annualized: $24,000,000 in annual retail U/S sales
What do the above little scenarios mean to potential PPS?
$24,000,000 annualized retail sales from U/S (and remember, retail will help the DRTV success)
$1,800,000 from g-Spout (doesn’t yet include DRTV or retail which could be huge)
$25,800,000 in sales
$6,450,000 net income (25% margins)
$24.2MM O/S
$0.27 EPS
$2.7 PPS @ 10 P/E
$5.4 PPS @ 20 P/E (if TSHO can prove their business model and once they’re uplisted they may be able to support a P/E above 10).
Again, I’m not even factoring in all of the potential sales avenues for G/S & U/S, and this is only preliminary potential for their 1st 2 products.
***disclaimer: please do your own due diligence. These are obviously just projections.***
Was anybody on this board at the Wall Street Analyst Conference in person today? If so, what was your take?
i listened in to most of the webcast and it sounded like there was a breakout session afterwards to continue the q&a.
Would love to hear perspectives from those where able to attend in person...
Thought webcast was great, and their business plan was very clearly explained.
In case you aren't aware where to access today's webcast and slides (which are pretty cool and available on their website):
Webcast: http://www.wsw.com/webcast/wsaf16/
Slides (which print out 2 per page): http://www.tsho.com/media/tsho_ir_slides_june10_2010.pdf
This conference will be great exposure for this company! Success won't happen overnight but the business model is becoming more and more apparent to the investment community.
Hey Maone15 -
Are you still lying in wait in the tall grass? We are awaiting your return to the TSHO board so that you can tell us your assessment of the g-Spout, your assessment of U/S progress thus far, as well as the impact that the addition of g-Spout has on your TSHO projections...
Looking forward to your reply.
NextStage1
PS: they updated the g-Spout footage now that it's on TSHO.com to be what will be aired in the campaign. I like this footage much better. Package price is great too.
TSHO website was updated: g-Spout now listed.
www.tsho.com
agreed. merger with youngevity was originally estimated to close by end of Jan. here we are in mid May.
good news is that they did launch EthosHS Home & Shop Formula(TM) on 4/12. it takes $ to launch a new product so there must be something positive happening behind the scenes.
Steve Wallach (from Youngevity) has been operating as CEO of ethos since merger was announce on 11/23.
What are your thoughts on the delay and impending merger with youngevity?