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30M Thanks and I am sorry for doubting you (especially as you are one of the true longs). Your share input has been logged and thanks again!!
Raiders- If you don't mind I will NOT be including your 7.2M within our compilation. This is only because it appears you may choose to sell at the drop of a hat and you have only been here a short time.
Now with that being said congratulations as I believe you have made a wise decision by retaining your shares and the very best of luck to you !!
tmonkey- very nice start to your accumulation, congratulations, and thanks for reporting. You can always report your share count again after any additional purchases and I will revise your numbers accordingly
30M Please confirm you are serious with your shares owned only because all of us here are looking for accurate counts. Thanks-
EARLY RETURNS OF OUR CETEK SHAREHOLDER SHARES OWNED have been extremely enlightening, exciting and surprisingly high (even to me)
Also the beauty part of this Cetek share owned compilation is that it is out there for everyone to see and information is power.
Personally although I have many type of investments and stock holdings the only PINK I own and have owned for over a decade is our beloved CTKH. Therefore I have no idea what the common share structure is for the typical pink sheet.
Has anyone out there seen or owned a pink sheet penny stock with this high of a percentage of float locked up? I say locked up as I know many have been here for a very long time, with higher average in than where we are currently trading. These SH have most likely been aggressively averaging down but are waiting for multiple baggers before selling a small portion.
Please keep the share count ownership counts coming in.
Niceguy - give this sometime, we are only 1-2 hours into the survey and the share ownership count is already eye-popping !!
Niceguy- Thanks for the very important clarification
Clyde-Good morning and thank-you for reporting your share count!!
You are an example of what I believe to be one of the many SH who have a very significant number of shares that rarely post on this board.
Thanks again for your valued input and the best of luck to you.
Ram - Since you asked, I own 382M (as you can see in the last few months I have purchased an additional significant chunk of shares in the 1's and 2's.
SHAREHOLDER SHARE COUNT COMPILATION/SURVEY... great start to our IHUB board member Cetek share ownership survey.
For all those who have reported in thus far, thank you!! Please keep the Cetek shares owned numbers coming and you only need to round off to the nearest million for our survey compilation.
SHAREHOLDER SHARE COUNT COMPILATION AND RAPIDLY SHRINKING SUPPLY--O/S IS SHOCKINGLY LOW....I am amazed at the continued steady and significant accumulation of shares during the last few months.
Hilal has done a good job at hiding many things from SH however there is one very important item we can determine without Hilal's input and that is percentage of SH ownership of Cetek. We do know the O/S is no more than 6.1B (pre split) and may be as low as 4.6B given the debentures have apparently been paid paid. A fair assessment of the current pre-split O/S by many here has been determined to be 5.2B so we can use the 5.2 as our unofficial O/S.
Over the next week or so I will be compiling a list of shares owned by IHUB board members. I will post the results within 2 weeks.
Recently with Cetek trading bewttwen .0001-.0003 there has been very little selling with steady buying therefore I believe our survey will reflect a fairly accurate read on IHUB board member ownership. We can then estimate and add in share ownership of lurkers who are not IHUB members, and Hilal's family members and friends (if Fayiz has any friends).
We can start with Penny's share ownership that he has stated repeatedly to be 34M and Rick manly Apples 320M (Rick please correct the figure if I am off)
Once all the shares are compiled I think many will be surprised at the degree in which the shares are LOCKED and the lack of supply.
Please post current owned shares and not anticipated future purchases. Thank-you for your help !!
Penemy I believe that particular plan of attack has been utilized in the past by SH but not in an organized or orchestrated manner. Even during the days long ago when Hilal was sending out PR's, I hear SH would call him constantly, try to obtain supplier/client names and then call them for info. It really did not work and Hilal only became more guarded over time as a result.
However now an entire 10 years later, given the never ending deafening silence,and SP in the gutter, we absolutely have nothing to lose and I am a STRONG ADVOCATE of every kind of approach imaginable including the "Lets make life miserable for Hilal" avenue. He has much more to lose this time and what the hell what is he going to do (yet another R/S?). Yes this is a much different time for SH.
I do think we can and definitely should wait until April 30 giving Hilal his one last chance before SH are heard from. If he thinks SH were a pain in the butt up to now, he has no idea what is in store for him should the silence continue past 4/30.
Ram patience is truly a virtue and you have been one of the most patient, civil, and valuable board members given your intensive research (on all things Cetek) and given your conversations with Hilal (that normally last more than 5 seconds) which is much much longer than anyone else can say.
At some point however patience wears thin for good reason. I think we can all agree on the positives contained within the R/S share structure. The real question here is whether we actually receive anything more than a mere updated officers list on the NV site come April 30.
If not, I believe SH need to take legal action immediately without dickering around for a another decade or so. Hilal may have given SH a true once in a lifetime opportunity to invest in a company at a price so undervalued it is beyond insane but at the same time I think most would agree what he is doing is just plain wrong. At some point he needs to pay the price for failing to come through as a real CEO.
In my mind the deadline is April 30th and if all remains status quo on that date then look out.
Ram.. if there is no PR, financials, or some type of real update provided by April 30 and ALL we get from Hilal is an updated list of officers per NV guidelines then I beleive SH have been duped once again. I am not predicting this will be the outcome but we need to be prepared with a plan of action if this were to occur as Hilal's track record in rewarding SH is abysmal.
IMO if nothing changes come April 30 (other than an updated list of officers) which in any case may only include Hilal, Hilal & Hilal, then we need to strongly consider the nuclear route with all options on the table.
So Orange do you really believe Cetek has a market cap of less than 1M? My whole point has been you are sounding as if we are trading at some gross over valuation.
If you were not so fixated on defending legal shorts, naked shorts and any other type of short interest you might want to defend against, and just concentrate on what is a fair SP/market cap here then I think we would be able to agree on somethings.
So Orange your opinion of Cetek's market cap including Hybrid-tek and Belanger is ___________ ?
Orange we don't mind you have a big short interest (and I am not referring to NSS. The "legal" short interest is off the charts. All you have to do is take a look at Deano's post # 24383 for the short interest volume and percentages.
If you were up front about things and your short interest I think we would all be fine with you slamming Cetek into the ground. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but no one appreciates the charades from a pretend "long".
Please be careful....... extremely careful shorting Cetek and if I were you I would cover your shorts very quickly when we hit the 0004's and 5's pre split or to be on the safe side you might consider covering now.
You can cite all of Hilal's faults and his bad treatment of SH all you want and I certainly would NOT argue with you regarding any of Hilal's transgressions. HOWEVER THE ONE THING THAT WOULD KEEP ME UP AT NIGHT IF (I WERE SHORTING CETEK) IS SIMPLY ITS CURRENT VALUATION AND MARKET CAP of the insane figure of 1M. YOU HAVE TO KNOW DEEP DOWN CETEK MARKET CAP IS WORTH MANY MANY MULTIPLES TIMES THAT.
Please be careful Orange and good luck to you (you will need lots of luck and prayers as well)
Deano have you ever seen short volume at these high percentages with a sub penny trading at 1/2 and 2/3? Do you have any theories as to what may be behind this?
Thanks for providing this very interesting piece of info. Apparently the short volume on Cetek is off the charts. So who would short a sub penny at these insanely low prices? Well I think anyone following this board for more than a few days knows their identities.
Hey Orange, I'm making the same offer to you as to Penny. Thanks in advance
Penny please sell me your 34M shares ASAP, I will be ready to scoop them up Monday morning at the opening bell. Thanks in advance
DannyD
Cetek SP lock down is incredible and only becoming tighter as the days go by. Including myself, Rick manly apple, and one other poster who will go unnamed for now, we have approx 1B (pre split) shares in the vault.
Only three SH with 20% of the O/S locked up. Think about that for a second this is insane and unheard of!!! With all the newcomers here (just guessing 50 -100 new SH with an average holdings of
10-20M guessing again. Well you can do the math but it all spells total lock down and a rocket ship up once FH utters even a peep.
Meeting with FH..... a long time ago just before he stopped communicating with SH. During a face to face meeting with the Fuhrer I asked him what he felt a fair evaluation of the SP might be. Hilal stated without hesitation a nickel a share. I can't recall the actual SP at the time but I am guessing somewhere in the upper trips.
He may have been talking out of his behind but I will never forget that SP price he quoted and that may have been prior to the two acquisitions.
Ceteks real value- Now I can say I have owned a small business of my own for 20 years. I also am also good friends with a guy who owns a small machine shop with 5-6 employees and that shop by no means is anything special. (machine parts, no govt contracts and nothing exclusive, no Cetek process etc, no Hybrid-tek, or Belanger. In fact my friends shop might be comparable to Belanger alone.
Well I know for a fact my friends shop has a value of at least several million. Ceteks value based on its current SP is less than my friends machine shop ??? Are you FU@$king kidding me?
This is why I am here and still buying. We have the sale of a lifetime here and all because of the Fuhrers silence!!!
Because I have seen first hand with my own eyes what we have in Cetek, Hybrid-tek & Belanger I continue to buy all the shares I can at this insanely low SP.
Some of you out there that are within a few hundred miles from either facility should take a field trip out there and see for your own eyes. The Cetek facility is certainly not much to look at
but I can assure you that you will be impressed with Hybrid-Tek. Some of the naysayers, go take a field trip out there, why don't you?
Unique Perspective-I am one of the few board members that has had the opportunity to see both the Cetek Poughkeepsie facility and view up close the Hybrid-Tek (NJ.) I have met with the operations mgr Barbara C.(very nice lady) and have had several face to face meetings with the Fuhrer himself more than a few times. I also met once with the Fuhrers son John (lets call him Himmler). Himmler appeared to be more of a song and dance type lad as he tried to defend the Fuhrer making excuses as to why the SP at that time was heading south.
Although I was not born yet when the 1930's/ 40's Fuhrer was ruling Europe, the Poughkeepsie Fuhrer's personality would pale in comparison to the WWII Fuhrer and that is certainly not saying much. Our Fuhrer is a scientific genius who might stand tall with Edison's brilliance but at the same time would have difficulty making small talk for more than 10 seconds.
My meetings with the Fuhrer were long ago prior to the silent years. One of the reasons he hired an IR guy James Stock was his inability to communicate in an effective way to SH (when he really needed the investment money. He no longer needs our money but has not yet said thank-you but that day may be closer than many think.
When you speak to Hilal you best speak in his terms, atoms, neutrons, etc etc. otherwise he will lose patience and then well you know...... click. Are there any scientists out there who might want to give the Fuhrer a call?
Paytheask we are headed to the NYSE not the Nasdaq and it is coming right around the corner.. Nasdaq has much stricter requirements than the NYSE. A NYSE listing will be real sweet$$$$ just the same.
WC I agree Hilal should be made aware we have a specific PR firm in mind costing approx $500 that will be paid by an anonymous investor. If anyone knows of a "better value" PR firm than "PR Web" please let us know and it will be considered.
The only thing I would caution our PR writer is he/she should not approach Hilal inquiring on specific companies he has contracts with. In fact in order to increase the chances of getting Hilal to go along with the PR idea maybe the first PR should only include what we know off the internet in addition to the all important "fill in the blanks" revenues, profits and O/S. The current permanent O/S listing on the website costs him nothing and this should also be included.
The share retirement gift offering is strictly optional and can be discarded entirely if this complicates matters for Hilal. Our goal is to break the deafening silence and to learn the official revenues, profits and share structure.
China regarding your comment "this will force a rat from his hole". We need not prove what we already know is true, FH is a rat and has treated SH as if we were his big chunk of cheese.
However you are missing the 2nd part of the offer, "the free PR write-up" that Hilal only needs to review and edit to his liking. Hilal may be a genius in the lab but he is both cheap and inept or incapable of stringing together a few cohesive paragraphs to create a PR. (don't you remember James Stock was the author of the earlier PR's not Hilal)
Let me go even a bit further with our free gifts that I am sure you will find even more outrageous and downright repulsive. The 3rd part of our little carrot (and this part is optional) includes a SH donation of Cetek shares that would formally be earmarked towards retirement. The SH offer would be predicated on Hilal matching the stated retired shares donated by SH.
Now let me be the first to offer 25M shares towards share retirement. China would you consider donating a portion of your large stash of CTKH shares towards retirement? I know we would still be well north of 300M shares each even after the share donation so let me know your thoughts. (and yes I am dead serious)
Remember Greed/Profits before Pride
China I couldn't agree with you more but we will be proceeding as planned as long as Ramspace agrees to make the call and convey our offer.
Remember China "Rick the Apple", Money/Greed always come before pride.
Penny check our PRWeb release. Their cost is only $499.00 per each financially related PR. I have no idea where he got the 100K figure.
Cetek (Press Release) - Ramspace I read your post citing your conversation with Hilal last August 2013 and your discussion regarding the PR with great interest. It probably caught Hilal off guard when you mentioned an investor had offered to pay for the cost of the PR. If I am interpreting your post correctly he did not entirely reject the idea but just put it off.
Now what if we conveyed that same PR payment offer to Hilal this week and advised Hilal we had an investor also willing to write the PR and all Hilal needed to do was plug in a few very basic numbers. The PR would of course include Hilal's personal editing prior to release. We don't need anything flashy or glitzy but something that would at least include the current O/S and last years revenues.
It might also would include a list of Cetek accomplishments during the silent years but would in no way shape or form mention by name any of Cetek's clients as he is extremely paranoid of anyone knowing the identity of his clients.
I am personally willing to front the entire cost of the PR and I can think of a few long time true longs here that would be more than happy to write it up pending Hilal's final approval.
Maybe Hilal after all these years really wants the local community to discover what he has achieved but as WC has always pointed out (1) he is unable to put it down on paper especially given the long 7 years of silence (2) he is too cheap to pay for the PR.
Lets make it so easy for him that he may be unable to resist. Ramspace you are by far our best hope of conveying the offer to Hilal (before the click is heard). I believe the payment offer coupled with the write up may be something he would at least mull over.
Ramspace let me know if you are interested in taking on this plan of action which would be an add on to the letter campaign.
Endwar- My apologies as I have had you on iggy for some time now and have just been reviewing some of your recent posts which for the most part provide some good analysis as to what is taking place here. So thank-you for all your contributions.
Regarding the letter campaign, regrettably I'm afraid any letter Hilal received from me personally might do us more harm than good should FH recognize my name and then recall any of our prior clashes. For this reason only I will not be participating.
It seems to me however two week intervals for each SH letter is far too long and perhaps a letter a week sounds more reasonable. Why string this out for more than a few months?
Regarding your other inquiries regarding the SEC and other legal pursuits I may have undertaken, I really cannot comment on those at the moment. I can tell you however I am more confident than ever with my investment and when Hilal reveals only a tiny fraction of what is going on at Cetek, Belanger, & Hybrid-tek we will all be smiling broadly.
There you go again, I'm still laughing but admire your persistence although I believe your thought process may be a bit misguided. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and lets just leave it at that.
Now Penny you know that's simply not true as that would only create more work on Hilal's part and another totally unnecessary monetary payout. You and I both know he doesn't need the money. I think you only mention the R/S to get a "charge" out of some board members here. I laugh when I see you post this nonstop but hopefully newcomers here do not buy into it. Good Luck to you as well.
Penny based on your comments you obviously do not have a good understanding as to how attorneys are compensated. Do you really think Hilal's attorney R. Laskowski is willing to work on a pre-arranged flat fee and not be paid for additional legal work to defend his client in a law suit? Hilal will need to pay his attorney big bucks for a defense.
We need to make Hilal aware that he cannot continue to ignore SH without paying a price. It is not a threat as much as a carrot and stick approach. Hilal is given the option either he issues a PR that will cost him next to nothing or he better be prepared to pony up legal fees that will cost him MUCH MUCH more.
We all know Hilal hates to spend money and for him to be given a choice between an inexpensive PR or paying his attorney by the hour to defend him is I beleive our best course of action to get FH to begrudingly open up. I do NOT agree with others that sitting back and waiting for FH to suddenly do the right is a sound choice.
In the end Hilal will pay closer attention to his bank account than beating down SH.
As for the Roundmouth approach that failed, he was at best a clown who visted Hial with no legal clout. We will have the carrot backed by a hammer.
WC, I am more than willing to make a "monetary" contribution for an atty representing the interests of Cetek SH and thank-you for getting the ball rolling.
WC Thanks for your insight on the Hilal "GO AROUND TACTICS". Sounds like a well thought out plan to me.
Everyone on this message board should know Whatscookin is one of the few members of this board who has the wherewithal, savvy, business intelligence, and persistence to actually get something worthwhile accomplished towards our end goal which is moving the CTKH SP to its true value..... out of trips and to pennies.
The float for the most part is locked up and if anyone is foolish enough to be selling here in the 1's and 2's I will be more than happy to take your shares. The CTKH float is in lock down mode and the vice is only getting tighter every day
Fetter Looking at the last filing (June 2006) it appears Cetek's fiscal year ends on Dec 31st
Brezlin- Thanks for getting the word out to the masses!
Cetek - Float has decreased dramatically within the last 60 days. For starters we have 4-6 investors here with between 1 - 1.5 billion shares. A quick summary review of the IHUB board indicates 60-70 IHUB members with multiple posts within the last 60 days.
Not lets be ultra conservative and estimate only 50 of those posters own Cetek stock out of the subset of recent posters. Lets further use a very conservative estimate of 20M "average" shares owned per investor. (even Penny and Orange claim to own between 30-35M each).
Therefore using conservative estimates the large "KNOWN" investors and smaller "KNOWN" subset own a combined 2 - 2.5 billion shares !! I am sure there are countless other investors out there who simply do not choose to post on IHUB plus an additional large "UNKNOWN" investor or two that most likely takes us way beyond 3 billion shares owned. This does not even include members of the Hilal family and Cetek and Hybrid-Tek employees who I'm sure are large SH but are forbidden to post on Cetek message boards.
Factor in Dr Lars carefully studied and genius analysis of the real share structure and O/S and what we have is truly compelling!! An almost nonexistent supply with a high demand equates to a SP explosion.
China- Very nice and congratulations! You have my share count topped by a couple of million but I may try to overtake your current lead next week.........that's of course if there are any O/S shares remaining and judging by the share counts I've been seeing there just may not be.
Ramspace, lets just say I am closing in on 1/3B but will still be buying more next week. So as you can see its not as if I really need more shares. However when something is so extremely cheap relative to its true, a once in a lifetime opportunity presents itself and I believe that is what we have here.
Cetek- I believe we are looking at mandatory filing requirements. SEC reporting requirements sec 12g of the Exchange Act requires all public companies with 500 or more investors with assets exceeding 10M to file.
Per Ceteks's last filing way back in 2006, Hilal reported 2.72M in assets. (this was for the calendar year 2005). Given Hilal's penny pinching ways, zero debt and revenues that have sky rocketed since then, Cetek has most definitely surpassed the 10M mark in assets.
This could be one of the reasons for the reinstatement and a precursor to Cetek's full reporting status.